#TeachWriting Archive

TeachWriting2 - Moderator Jan 31 @ 9:00 PM EST

Welcome to #TeachWriting our biweekly chat! So glad you could make it! Tonight we have @ELKissner guest moderating! Take it away Emily!

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participatechat Jan 31 @ 9:00 PM EST

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MrsMurat Jan 31 @ 9:00 PM EST

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Jeremybballer Jan 31 @ 9:01 PM EST

Jeremy - 8th grade English/Science, author, codirector of CRWP - Michigan - Love Willow trees, you can swing on the branches. #teachwriting

amberh00ks Jan 31 @ 9:01 PM EST

Hi! I'm Amber, 2ndary Learning Coach for ELA from Huntsville, TX. My favorite tree is a pine tree 🌲 #teachwriting

ELKissner Jan 31 @ 9:02 PM EST

I'm Emily, and I teach 6th grade near Gettysburg. I love sycamores, especially at this time of year #teachwriting

KellyTumy Jan 31 @ 9:02 PM EST

Kelly from TX, Curriculum Director for Harris County DOE, favorite tree...Globe Willow! #TeachWriting

lisahughes196 - Moderator Jan 31 @ 9:03 PM EST

Lisa, Special Educator & practicing HS English teacher in grades 11 & 12! My favorite tree is a palm tree! So cold in NE! #TeachWriting

farrtom Jan 31 @ 9:03 PM EST

#TeachWriting I'm Tom, 9th grade ELA teacher from Huntsville, TX. My favorite tree would have to be the truffula tree from The Lorax.

KellyTumy Jan 31 @ 9:03 PM EST

You're in the right place in TX, then for the PINE! #teachwriting

amberh00ks Jan 31 @ 9:01 PM EST

Hi! I'm Amber, 2ndary Learning Coach for ELA from Huntsville, TX. My favorite tree is a pine tree 🌲 #teachwriting

skeeTX Jan 31 @ 9:04 PM EST

Rob from Dallas. 8th grade English at St. John's Episcopal School #teachwriting

Jeremybballer Jan 31 @ 9:04 PM EST

I had one in my backyard when I was growing up. Many injuries from swinging and falling off. #teachwriting.

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lisahughes196 - Moderator Jan 31 @ 9:04 PM EST

Lisa, Special Educator & practicing HS English teacher grades 11 & 12! My favorite tree is a palm tree! It's freezing in NE #TeachWriting

ELKissner Jan 31 @ 9:04 PM EST

We'll use the Q1, A1 format tonight as we talk about summarizing--a tough topic for readers and writers! #teachwriting

KellyTumy Jan 31 @ 9:04 PM EST

When did you join the dark side of HS?!? I think I missed that! #teachwriting

lisahughes196 - Moderator Jan 31 @ 9:03 PM EST

Lisa, Special Educator & practicing HS English teacher in grades 11 & 12! My favorite tree is a palm tree! So cold in NE! #TeachWriting

Jeremybballer Jan 31 @ 9:04 PM EST

I feel your pain. It is cold here in Michigan. #teachwriting

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lisahughes196 - Moderator Jan 31 @ 9:04 PM EST

Hey, Texas! #teachwriting

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ELKissner Jan 31 @ 9:05 PM EST

Q1: Let's start with why we teach summarizing! What is the value of teaching summarizing? #teachwriting

KellyTumy Jan 31 @ 9:05 PM EST

I had it in my yard for years...then Hurricane Ike! #teachwriting

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lisahughes196 - Moderator Jan 31 @ 9:05 PM EST

Welcome! I love that one too! #teachwriting

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MsKraushaar Jan 31 @ 9:05 PM EST

Katie from St. Louis. I teach 7th g ELA, and since my team's name is Willow, I'll go with that! #TeachWriting

skeeTX Jan 31 @ 9:06 PM EST

78 degrees in Dallas today. Sorry folks in colder weather #teachwriting

lisahughes196 - Moderator Jan 31 @ 9:06 PM EST

longggggg story, but I am LOVING it! Only temporary! #teachwriting

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MsKraushaar Jan 31 @ 9:06 PM EST

A1: it's a practical skill that is used in real life. Getting at the essence of something makes for good communication. #TeachWriting

lisahughes196 - Moderator Jan 31 @ 9:06 PM EST

Hi Katie! #teachwriting

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skeeTX Jan 31 @ 9:06 PM EST

Katie was an awesome moderator last night for #tlap #teachwriting

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lisahughes196 - Moderator Jan 31 @ 9:07 PM EST

I have wool ski socks on and I'm inside! #teachwriting

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ELKissner Jan 31 @ 9:07 PM EST

Summarizing does have so many real life applications! #teachwriting

MsKraushaar Jan 31 @ 9:06 PM EST

A1: it's a practical skill that is used in real life. Getting at the essence of something makes for good communication. #TeachWriting

farrtom Jan 31 @ 9:07 PM EST

A3 Summarizing is import because it shows that students can recognize and identify the most important content from a text. #TeachWriting

KellyTumy Jan 31 @ 9:07 PM EST

A1: Summary is tricky, kids only see B-M-E and it has more depth than that. Value is that kids see the WHOLE in brief. #TeachWriting

skeeTX Jan 31 @ 9:07 PM EST

A1: trim the fat, cut to the chase...help Ss be more succinct #teachwriting

MsKraushaar Jan 31 @ 9:07 PM EST

hey Lisa! #teachwriting

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Jeremybballer Jan 31 @ 9:08 PM EST

Where was the Question? Did I miss it? #teachwriting

farrtom Jan 31 @ 9:08 PM EST

A1 Summarizing is import because it shows that students can recognize and identify the most important content from a text. #TeachWriting

MsKraushaar Jan 31 @ 9:08 PM EST

Figuring out what's important is hard work! Must consider audience, purpose, etc #teachwriting

skeeTX Jan 31 @ 9:07 PM EST

A1: trim the fat, cut to the chase...help Ss be more succinct #teachwriting

skeeTX Jan 31 @ 9:09 PM EST

I should be in shorts! #teachwriting

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lisahughes196 - Moderator Jan 31 @ 9:10 PM EST

A1 Essential skill in comprehension and in writing. Learning to be concise, focused, and able to glean important highlights! #teachwriting

AssignmentHelpN Jan 31 @ 9:10 PM EST

#Teachwriting #TMchat #eduldrcoaching #txlchat #TopTeaching #risdchat A Quick Guide on How to Write a Book Review https://t.co/3BnLyV1BCF

Jeremybballer Jan 31 @ 9:10 PM EST

A1: It is a real life skill that is done almost daily. Lists, verbal telling of our day, writing about what we read, etc. #teachwriting.

ELKissner Jan 31 @ 9:10 PM EST

This idea of seeing the WHOLE instead of getting mired in the details is so important for summarizing! #TeachWriting

KellyTumy Jan 31 @ 9:07 PM EST

A1: Summary is tricky, kids only see B-M-E and it has more depth than that. Value is that kids see the WHOLE in brief. #TeachWriting

skeeTX Jan 31 @ 9:10 PM EST

A1b: often Ss rehash too much when writing. Get to the point! #teachwriting

burgessdave Jan 31 @ 9:11 PM EST

Yes! She was awesome! #tlap #teachwriting #InvitingHerBack

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mardieteach Jan 31 @ 9:11 PM EST

A1 - Great question! #teachwriting Summarizing involves deciding what's importance, shows comprehension, what to 'take-away' from . . .

skeeTX Jan 31 @ 9:11 PM EST

And we need just as much emphasis on oral skills! #TeachWriting

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ELKissner Jan 31 @ 9:11 PM EST

This is one of the reasons why I love teaching summarizing so much--it builds reading comprehension, but is so much more! #TeachWriting

Jeremybballer Jan 31 @ 9:10 PM EST

A1: It is a real life skill that is done almost daily. Lists, verbal telling of our day, writing about what we read, etc. #teachwriting.

Jeremybballer Jan 31 @ 9:12 PM EST

Agreed! I feel that Ss don't know how to pick out the most important details. #teachwriting

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KellyTumy Jan 31 @ 9:12 PM EST

I used to write GTTP on papers...got tired of writing it out time after time. #teachwriting

skeeTX Jan 31 @ 9:10 PM EST

A1b: often Ss rehash too much when writing. Get to the point! #teachwriting

ELKissner Jan 31 @ 9:12 PM EST

Q2: As a reader and a writer, what do you find most difficult about summarizing? #teachwriting

skeeTX Jan 31 @ 9:13 PM EST

watching them annotate tells a great deal. Do they know what is significant? #teachwriting

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lisahughes196 - Moderator Jan 31 @ 9:13 PM EST

I was shoveling snow! Fell down, slid all the way down my driveway as if I was on a sled! I wasn't!! #teachwriting

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Jeremybballer Jan 31 @ 9:13 PM EST

Yes, we do article of the week in my class and Ss still struggle. They think that every detail is important. #teachwriting

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MsKraushaar Jan 31 @ 9:14 PM EST

A2: Staying succinct is difficult when there's a lot to unpack. A good summary should be pithy w/o extras, and that's hard. #teachwriting

ELKissner Jan 31 @ 9:14 PM EST

It's tough because some readers choose details of personal importance instead of textual importance. Really changes the task! #teachwriting

Jeremybballer Jan 31 @ 9:12 PM EST

Agreed! I feel that Ss don't know how to pick out the most important details. #teachwriting
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skeeTX Jan 31 @ 9:14 PM EST

A2: my own eagerness to move on or get to the point....like when I'm listening to someone speaking too much. Move it along! #teachwriting

mardieteach Jan 31 @ 9:14 PM EST

A2 - #teachwriting I am wordy by nature, so I find it hard to summarize. Choosing precise terms is important to summarizing well.

lisahughes196 - Moderator Jan 31 @ 9:14 PM EST

A2 I think getting to the nitty gritty is sometimes difficult for everyone. Deciding what is important and what isn't. #TeachWriting

ELKissner Jan 31 @ 9:14 PM EST

A2: I always struggle with how to get the essence of the piece of writing into my summary! Summaries just feel so flat #teachwriting

lisahughes196 - Moderator Jan 31 @ 9:15 PM EST

#TeachWriting

KellyTumy Jan 31 @ 9:15 PM EST

A2: II summarize as I read, but the summary in my head is largely incomplete. I find myself ➕ & ➖ along the way. #TeachWriting

Jeremybballer Jan 31 @ 9:15 PM EST

Is there a website where the questions are? I'm not seeing them come across in the chat. Sorry. #teachwriting

massignmenthelp Jan 31 @ 9:15 PM EST

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lisahughes196 - Moderator Jan 31 @ 9:15 PM EST

I completely understand! #teachwriting

mardieteach Jan 31 @ 9:14 PM EST

A2 - #teachwriting I am wordy by nature, so I find it hard to summarize. Choosing precise terms is important to summarizing well.

skeeTX Jan 31 @ 9:15 PM EST

do you use NewsELA? #TeachWriting

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KellyTumy Jan 31 @ 9:16 PM EST

@Jeremybballer #teachwriting

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ELKissner Jan 31 @ 9:12 PM EST

Q2: As a reader and a writer, what do you find most difficult about summarizing? #teachwriting

ELKissner Jan 31 @ 9:16 PM EST

Here's Q2 again: #teachwriting

skeeTX Jan 31 @ 9:16 PM EST

hence the need for drafting I suppose #TeachWriting

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MsKraushaar Jan 31 @ 9:16 PM EST

I rarely get my summaries right the first try...usually find that I have too much/too little. #teachwriting

KellyTumy Jan 31 @ 9:15 PM EST

A2: II summarize as I read, but the summary in my head is largely incomplete. I find myself ➕ & ➖ along the way. #TeachWriting

Jeremybballer Jan 31 @ 9:16 PM EST

Yes, and it is awesome! Love the quizzes that come with it and the levels I can choose for my readers. #teachwriting

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lisahughes196 - Moderator Jan 31 @ 9:17 PM EST

LOVE these ideas for practicing summarization across the curriculum! https://t.co/Rcb5kMQXLl #TeachWriting

ELKissner Jan 31 @ 9:17 PM EST

Vocabulary is so important for summarizing skill. Choosing that one word instead the long phrase! #teachwriting

mardieteach Jan 31 @ 9:14 PM EST

A2 - #teachwriting I am wordy by nature, so I find it hard to summarize. Choosing precise terms is important to summarizing well.

farrtom Jan 31 @ 9:17 PM EST

A2 I struggle with putting in too much and being concise. Sometimes it feels like all the details are important. #TeachWriting

Jeremybballer Jan 31 @ 9:17 PM EST

A2: Trying to not sound long winded. #teachwriting

KellyTumy Jan 31 @ 9:18 PM EST

That keen vocabulary skill is what is a struggle for so many kids! #teachwriting

ELKissner Jan 31 @ 9:17 PM EST
Vocabulary is so important for summarizing skill. Choosing that one word instead the long phrase! #teachwriting
- mardieteach Jan 31 @ 9:14 PM EST
  
  A2 - #teachwriting I am wordy by nature, so I find it hard to summarize. Choosing precise terms is important to summarizing well.

ELKissner Jan 31 @ 9:18 PM EST

Q3: It's a long one! Let's talk about how reading and writing interact in a student summary... #teachwriting

MsKraushaar Jan 31 @ 9:19 PM EST

A3: I always talk about the long distance between what's in the head and what ends up on the page! #teachwriting

lisahughes196 - Moderator Jan 31 @ 9:19 PM EST

Question 3 #teachwriting

ELKissner Jan 31 @ 9:18 PM EST

Q3: It's a long one! Let's talk about how reading and writing interact in a student summary... #teachwriting

ELKissner Jan 31 @ 9:19 PM EST

A2: One way to think about being concise is to use the term "collapsing lists" or renaming a list by its general term #teachwriting

MsKraushaar Jan 31 @ 9:19 PM EST

A3: Because of this, we usually talk out our summaries first. Set a timer, try to summarize in 1 min or less. #teachwriting

Jeremybballer Jan 31 @ 9:20 PM EST

Yes, and if they don't understand certain words, they will struggle with comprehension and summarizing. #teachwriting

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ELKissner Jan 31 @ 9:20 PM EST

A3: What's neat about a summary is that it represents a reader's interaction with the text! What's on the page = mental model #teachwriting

MsKraushaar Jan 31 @ 9:20 PM EST

A3: Since summary is an important piece of reading analysis, blending the two is key. That is hard to do! #teachwriting

skeeTX Jan 31 @ 9:21 PM EST

A3: Ss tend to either provide too much/too little detail. Comprehension plays huge role before Ss even write #teachwriting

Jeremybballer Jan 31 @ 9:21 PM EST

A3: If Ss struggle I have them say what they want to write out loud and then break it down on paper. #teachwriting

mardieteach Jan 31 @ 9:21 PM EST

A3 #teachwriting The reading has to be accessible to the student, of course. We go thru process of GRoR: Model process, class, pairs, self

KellyTumy Jan 31 @ 9:22 PM EST

A3: I think kids struggle with summary because they only see it as a writing skill & they leave the reading out of it #TeachWriting

skeeTX Jan 31 @ 9:22 PM EST

Assuming Ss are comprehending it all. If not, noticeable gaps would be present in their writing #teachwriting

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lisahughes196 - Moderator Jan 31 @ 9:22 PM EST

A3 Sometimes its about "Exploding a Moment" or "Shrinking a Century" as @barryLane would say! #teachwriting

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amberh00ks Jan 31 @ 9:22 PM EST

A3: Ss have to comprehend & evaluate what they read-then figure out what & how to put it in their own words. Complex thinking. #TeachWriting

ELKissner Jan 31 @ 9:22 PM EST

Do you see particular patterns in your students' responses? #teachwriting

MsKraushaar Jan 31 @ 9:20 PM EST

A3: Since summary is an important piece of reading analysis, blending the two is key. That is hard to do! #teachwriting

mardieteach Jan 31 @ 9:22 PM EST

A3 #teachwriting Oral rehearsal of a summary is also helpful. Read, talk, write.

farrtom Jan 31 @ 9:22 PM EST

A2 It's an interesting marriage of skills. Helps to see where Ss struggle. Ss can't properly communicate w/out understanding. #TeachWriting

skeeTX Jan 31 @ 9:23 PM EST

Tech can assist Ss with audio to listen for comprehension as well as reciting summaries before writing #teachwriting

ELKissner Jan 31 @ 9:23 PM EST

A summary of a well-comprehended, well-taught text is much easier for students than a summary of a cold text, isn't it? #teachwriting

mardieteach Jan 31 @ 9:21 PM EST

A3 #teachwriting The reading has to be accessible to the student, of course. We go thru process of GRoR: Model process, class, pairs, self

MsKraushaar Jan 31 @ 9:23 PM EST

Heavy on one side or the other. Too much summary, not enough analysis or vice versa. #teachwriting

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Jeremybballer Jan 31 @ 9:24 PM EST

We have to provide our audio learners with chances to learn too. Applause. #teachwriting

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MsKraushaar Jan 31 @ 9:24 PM EST

We talk about writing about reading as a ladder, moving big (analysis) and small (concrete details) throughout #teachwriting

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mardieteach Jan 31 @ 9:24 PM EST

A3 #teachwriting - Some Ss also struggle with WHY summarize! Especially strong readers don't really see purpose. They know what they read.

MsKraushaar Jan 31 @ 9:24 PM EST

True. That's where audience comes into play. Context before analysis. #teachwriting

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lisahughes196 - Moderator Jan 31 @ 9:24 PM EST

How to Write a Summary https://t.co/1xqXWTcLeK via @YouTube #TeachWriting

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skeeTX Jan 31 @ 9:24 PM EST

Yes, so many ways to learn & demonstrate understanding. #teachwriting

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lisahughes196 - Moderator Jan 31 @ 9:25 PM EST

Nice Anchor Chart! #TeachWriting

ELKissner Jan 31 @ 9:25 PM EST

Right! These gaps can lead to great teaching points, making summaries a good formative assessment. #teachwriting

skeeTX Jan 31 @ 9:22 PM EST

Assuming Ss are comprehending it all. If not, noticeable gaps would be present in their writing #teachwriting
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mardieteach Jan 31 @ 9:25 PM EST

#teachwriting - I think it can be cold as long as it is accessible.

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bkuhl2you Jan 31 @ 9:25 PM EST

Good point - it's often seen as pointless hard work. I try to teach it as part of the process of reading. #teachwriting

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skeeTX Jan 31 @ 9:25 PM EST

Should they have to if they've proven themselves? #teachwriting

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mardieteach Jan 31 @ 9:26 PM EST

No! I feel their pain. :) #teachwriting

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ELKissner Jan 31 @ 9:26 PM EST

Q4: This comes naturally from the last question! What can a teacher learn from a student's summaries? #teachwriting

bkuhl2you Jan 31 @ 9:26 PM EST

Finally made it! Conferences went well . . . and happy that I'm here. #teachwriting

MsKraushaar Jan 31 @ 9:26 PM EST

I think it depends on purpose. If they're writing analysis for audience, some summary is required #teachwriting

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MsKraushaar Jan 31 @ 9:26 PM EST

But summary just to "prove" you read can be tedious and seem pointless. #teachwriting

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lisahughes196 - Moderator Jan 31 @ 9:27 PM EST

Collaborative Summarizing in 3rd grade https://t.co/DKdew5KFHn via @YouTube #TeachWriting

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ELKissner Jan 31 @ 9:27 PM EST

A4: I've noticed that strong readers naturally go through an "about" summary phase, when they write like this: #teachwriting

Jeremybballer Jan 31 @ 9:27 PM EST

A4: We can learn whether our Ss are comprehending anything. Also, their basic writing skills. #teachwriting

skeeTX Jan 31 @ 9:27 PM EST

A4: reading/comprehension, critical thinking, writing ability, cohesion, analysis, speed tonsme a few #teachwriting

mardieteach Jan 31 @ 9:27 PM EST

Exactly! The only time I ask for summary of fiction is for a review or a book-talk. #teachwriting

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lisahughes196 - Moderator Jan 31 @ 9:28 PM EST

Welcome!!!! Glad you made it Chicago! #teachwriting

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MsKraushaar Jan 31 @ 9:28 PM EST

A4: It's one way (but not the only way) to assess whether a student is comprehending. #teachwriting

scottmpetri Jan 31 @ 9:28 PM EST

A4 S misconceptions leap off the page. Today two thought Wdrow Wilson was one of the Harlem Hellfighters #teachwriting

lisahughes196 - Moderator Jan 31 @ 9:28 PM EST

Question 4 #teachwriting

ELKissner Jan 31 @ 9:26 PM EST

Q4: This comes naturally from the last question! What can a teacher learn from a student's summaries? #teachwriting

MsKraushaar Jan 31 @ 9:29 PM EST

A4: A summary is retelling, which usually=low DOK, but a GOOD summary is hard & requires synthesis of thought #teachwriting

lisahughes196 - Moderator Jan 31 @ 9:30 PM EST

A4 Sometimes you learn a little too much! I think summarizing is a skill that needs constant modeling and study #teachwriting

lisahughes196 - Moderator Jan 31 @ 9:30 PM EST

Ahhhhhhh! #TeachWriting

bkuhl2you Jan 31 @ 9:30 PM EST

A4 - You can tell if they're understanding how ideas are structured - higher-order and lower-order details. #teachwriting

lmhawkhill Jan 31 @ 9:30 PM EST

How well the student understood (comprehended) the text. #teachwriting

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mardieteach Jan 31 @ 9:30 PM EST

#teachwriting I tend to teach summary more in our nonfiction reading where concepts can be fairly dense.

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Irish33Jlong Jan 31 @ 9:31 PM EST

It also teaches students to sift through the fluff and pick out the important parts #teachwriting

bkuhl2you Jan 31 @ 9:31 PM EST

A4 - It can also show how well they connect related ideas, and how they can chunk text into units of meaning. #teachwriting

lisahughes196 - Moderator Jan 31 @ 9:31 PM EST

This is a great point. There are different levels of summary. #TeachWriting

MsKraushaar Jan 31 @ 9:29 PM EST

A4: A summary is retelling, which usually=low DOK, but a GOOD summary is hard & requires synthesis of thought #teachwriting

MsKraushaar Jan 31 @ 9:31 PM EST

It's not a very "glamorous" skill to teach, but it's useful... #teachwriting

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ELKissner Jan 31 @ 9:31 PM EST

Retelling and summarizing are not the same! Summarizing requires executive ordering; retelling is just paraphrasing. #teachwriting

MsKraushaar Jan 31 @ 9:29 PM EST

A4: A summary is retelling, which usually=low DOK, but a GOOD summary is hard & requires synthesis of thought #teachwriting

skeeTX Jan 31 @ 9:31 PM EST

yup! Will definitely use this. Much thanks, wool socks! #teachwriting

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bkuhl2you Jan 31 @ 9:31 PM EST

A4 - I think probably the hardest and most important part is the main idea. Sometimes we explicitly ask for that. #teachwriting

skeeTX Jan 31 @ 9:31 PM EST

Glamor can be an elective! #TeachWriting

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bkuhl2you Jan 31 @ 9:32 PM EST

A4 - (At least with summarizing nonfiction. Not sure if we've talked about the difference yet - think it's coming, if not.) #teachwriting

MsKraushaar Jan 31 @ 9:32 PM EST

True, but I think most Ss equate it w retelling! Summaries can also demonstrate the writer's ability to organize & vet points #teachwriting

ELKissner Jan 31 @ 9:31 PM EST
Retelling and summarizing are not the same! Summarizing requires executive ordering; retelling is just paraphrasing. #teachwriting
- MsKraushaar Jan 31 @ 9:29 PM EST
  
  A4: A summary is retelling, which usually=low DOK, but a GOOD summary is hard & requires synthesis of thought #teachwriting

mardieteach Jan 31 @ 9:32 PM EST

#teachwriting - I like to distinguish betw. summary & retell. Retell=all the gory details. Summary=Just the most imp. concepts

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Jeremybballer Jan 31 @ 9:32 PM EST

Yes! I am guilty of asking for it and never explaining it well enough. I expect them to just know it in 8th grade. #teachwriting

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ELKissner Jan 31 @ 9:32 PM EST

It's especially tough when middle grade readers move from texts with explicit main ideas to texts with implicit main ideas. #teachwriting

bkuhl2you Jan 31 @ 9:31 PM EST

A4 - I think probably the hardest and most important part is the main idea. Sometimes we explicitly ask for that. #teachwriting

farrtom Jan 31 @ 9:32 PM EST

A4 Summaries can tell us whether Ss are struggling with comprehension or clearly communicating their comprehension in writing. #TeachWriting

MsKraushaar Jan 31 @ 9:33 PM EST

Good point. One's a ramble, the other's useful. #teachwriting

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ELKissner Jan 31 @ 9:33 PM EST

Q5: Summarizing a narrative is different from summarizing an expository text. Which is easier? Why? #teachwriting

MsKraushaar Jan 31 @ 9:34 PM EST

A5: Different from Ss to Ss. Narrative=easy to retell everything. Expository=harder to figure out what's important. #teachwriting

bkuhl2you Jan 31 @ 9:34 PM EST

A5 - I feel like they're different animals. I want to say expository, but that tends to have so much more detail to sort. #teachwriting

lisahughes196 - Moderator Jan 31 @ 9:35 PM EST

Summary isn't as easy as it looks! #TeachWriting https://t.co/DHQSChy1Dk

scottmpetri Jan 31 @ 9:35 PM EST

Pop quiz on all the chars in the story. Recap maj. hist figures. HS Ss need more content. #teachwriting

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Jeremybballer Jan 31 @ 9:35 PM EST

A5: I think narratives are easier because Ss aren't pressured with narratives like we do with nonfiction and knowing it. #teachwriting

mardieteach Jan 31 @ 9:35 PM EST

A4 #teachwriting - Besides comprehension, how Ss organize a summary can reflect Ss' ingesting process (salient vs. chronological).

lisahughes196 - Moderator Jan 31 @ 9:36 PM EST

SUMMARY in READING SONG by Heath https://t.co/yO5qiBSByH via @YouTube #TeachWriting

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bkuhl2you Jan 31 @ 9:36 PM EST

A5 - I think it's easier to teach summarizing with fiction. Less collapsing/combining ideas, less content knowledge. #teachwriting

MsKraushaar Jan 31 @ 9:36 PM EST

True, content knowledge is a big barrier to figuring out what's important. #teachwriting

bkuhl2you Jan 31 @ 9:36 PM EST

A5 - I think it's easier to teach summarizing with fiction. Less collapsing/combining ideas, less content knowledge. #teachwriting

ELKissner Jan 31 @ 9:36 PM EST

A5: Research indicates that readers tend to do better with narratives, probably because the story structure is so familiar #teachwriting

bkuhl2you Jan 31 @ 9:37 PM EST

A5 - Of course, I'm teaching summarizing with nonfiction right now (or plotting it out in my mind), and not with fiction. #teachwriting

lisahughes196 - Moderator Jan 31 @ 9:37 PM EST

Question 5 #TeachWriting

ELKissner Jan 31 @ 9:33 PM EST

Q5: Summarizing a narrative is different from summarizing an expository text. Which is easier? Why? #teachwriting

mardieteach Jan 31 @ 9:37 PM EST

A5 - #teachwriting Narrative is often easier, chrono order. Nonfiction requires more background info to summarize well, identify key points.

Jeremybballer Jan 31 @ 9:37 PM EST

Yes, and it follows them from K -12 grade. #teachwriting

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ELKissner Jan 31 @ 9:37 PM EST

Absolutely! 6th graders often try to write every summary in chronological order--"first I read ____" #teachwriting

mardieteach Jan 31 @ 9:35 PM EST

A4 #teachwriting - Besides comprehension, how Ss organize a summary can reflect Ss' ingesting process (salient vs. chronological).

scottmpetri Jan 31 @ 9:38 PM EST

A5 Story structure in narratives easier to paraphrase. HS Ss weak w making inferences & ID bias in non-fict #teachwriting

lisahughes196 - Moderator Jan 31 @ 9:38 PM EST

A5 I think it is important to work across content areas and genre in order to summarize well. Guided writing and modeling #teachwriting

skeeTX Jan 31 @ 9:38 PM EST

A5: not sure if there is a right answer. Skill varies by student so important to practice the skill #teachwriting

lisahughes196 - Moderator Jan 31 @ 9:38 PM EST

It is so nice to see you on here! #teachwriting

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MsKraushaar Jan 31 @ 9:39 PM EST

I think it's a good starting place for those who struggle. Mentor summaries can show how order varies. #teachwriting

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mardieteach Jan 31 @ 9:39 PM EST

Life is story, right? #teachwriting

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KellyTumy Jan 31 @ 9:39 PM EST

A5: Ss narrative summaries are too long, expository summaries are too basic. We need to teach nuances in both. #teachwriting

ELKissner Jan 31 @ 9:39 PM EST

Q6: What kinds of scaffolding and feedback help students to summarize well? #teachwriting

lisahughes196 - Moderator Jan 31 @ 9:40 PM EST

Love this video on summary from a flipped classroom! https://t.co/etjxhQIzqI #TeachWriting

lisahughes196 - Moderator Jan 31 @ 9:40 PM EST

Question 6 #teachwriting

ELKissner Jan 31 @ 9:39 PM EST

Q6: What kinds of scaffolding and feedback help students to summarize well? #teachwriting

MsKraushaar Jan 31 @ 9:40 PM EST

A6: Mentor texts, collaborative summaries w peers, having outside audiences read summaries. #teachwriting

Jeremybballer Jan 31 @ 9:40 PM EST

A6: You need to give Ss sentence starters to help guide their thoughts so they get on the right track. #teachwriting

ELKissner Jan 31 @ 9:40 PM EST

Tell us more about the nuances of both! #teachwriting

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bkuhl2you Jan 31 @ 9:41 PM EST

A6 - Showing sample summaries, modeling in front of them, giving them simple texts to summarize first, helping them revise. #teachwriting

mardieteach Jan 31 @ 9:41 PM EST

A6 - Model model model with think aloud. Ss need to see the process, where to start, determining imp., etc. #teachwriting

mpledger24 Jan 31 @ 9:41 PM EST

A10 My hope is to help them learn skills to be successful writers in diverse settings and to benchmark on assessments #teachwriting

farrtom Jan 31 @ 9:41 PM EST

A5 Probably narrative. I think Ss typically paraphrase rather than thinking through & pulling together most important elements #TeachWriting

MsKraushaar Jan 31 @ 9:42 PM EST

Not sure every Ss NEEDS this. I'd think that'd be hard w summary bc there's no "formula" for a good one. #teachwriting

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lisahughes196 - Moderator Jan 31 @ 9:42 PM EST

A6 Scaffolding by using guided practice and having Ss write more as they go. Creating opportunity to write with Ss and model! #TeachWriting

bkuhl2you Jan 31 @ 9:42 PM EST

A6 - I've chunked texts for students - draw boxes around parts of the text, tell them to give me the gist of that, then next.. #teachwriting

ELKissner Jan 31 @ 9:42 PM EST

Scaffolded summaries are a great tool and easy to differentiate. #teachwriting

Jeremybballer Jan 31 @ 9:40 PM EST

A6: You need to give Ss sentence starters to help guide their thoughts so they get on the right track. #teachwriting

scottmpetri Jan 31 @ 9:42 PM EST

A6 Where are they skills-wise? What do they need to do to improve? How do they get there? What strategies #teachwriting

childbkauthor Jan 31 @ 9:42 PM EST

Hi, I #teachwriting to priv. clients but am popping in to learn! A6. And responding to key questions about plot, arc, theme ...

skeeTX Jan 31 @ 9:42 PM EST

A6: start small. Build confidence. Progress as needed #teachwriting

lisahughes196 - Moderator Jan 31 @ 9:43 PM EST

Great article on getting to the gist with struggling writers! https://t.co/JmnwFgBPEx #TeachWriting

bkuhl2you Jan 31 @ 9:43 PM EST

A6 - It helps for them to see models from other students, too. Like so many other kinds of writing. #teachwriting

MsKraushaar Jan 31 @ 9:43 PM EST

Good visual strat. Color-coding works well when blending summary w analysis (one color for each) #teachwriting

bkuhl2you Jan 31 @ 9:42 PM EST

A6 - I've chunked texts for students - draw boxes around parts of the text, tell them to give me the gist of that, then next.. #teachwriting

KellyTumy Jan 31 @ 9:43 PM EST

Expository summary should address an inherent call to action, even an embedded theme/takeaway from the piece. It needs depth #teachwriting

ELKissner Jan 31 @ 9:40 PM EST

Tell us more about the nuances of both! #teachwriting
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Jeremybballer Jan 31 @ 9:43 PM EST

I put them on the board for the Ss to use. If they don't use them, so be it. I want them to have 0 excuses. #teachwriting

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lisahughes196 - Moderator Jan 31 @ 9:43 PM EST

In semester 2 and still standing! #teachwriting

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ELKissner Jan 31 @ 9:44 PM EST

A6: Sometimes I tell students, "Find one sentence that you can omit" and we talk about what they took out and why #teachwriting

MsKraushaar Jan 31 @ 9:44 PM EST

That's good. It's important to let Ss know that writing looks very different from one person to the next. #teachwriting

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KellyTumy Jan 31 @ 9:44 PM EST

Narrative summary HAS to address THEME and application to the larger picture...text to world. Answer: Why am I reading this? #teachwriting

ELKissner Jan 31 @ 9:40 PM EST

Tell us more about the nuances of both! #teachwriting
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ELKissner Jan 31 @ 9:44 PM EST

A6: Here are some strategies that I use: #teachwriting

lisahughes196 - Moderator Jan 31 @ 9:44 PM EST

Yes! #teachwriting

ELKissner Jan 31 @ 9:44 PM EST

A6: Sometimes I tell students, "Find one sentence that you can omit" and we talk about what they took out and why #teachwriting

skeeTX Jan 31 @ 9:44 PM EST

Daily assignment while reading novel is to snap a pic of quote and summarize/explain passage in Seesaw. Interesting choices #teachwriting

Jeremybballer Jan 31 @ 9:44 PM EST

Agreed! Everyone has their own style, that is for sure. #teachwriting

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bkuhl2you Jan 31 @ 9:44 PM EST

A6 - And I think we should notice the scope - how long should our summary be? Helps kids to focus on one size, then change. #teachwriting

farrtom Jan 31 @ 9:45 PM EST

A5 At least from my perspective, expository is easier to recognize the key points & controlling idea. #TeachWriting

MsKraushaar Jan 31 @ 9:45 PM EST

This is a neat idea! #teachwriting

skeeTX Jan 31 @ 9:44 PM EST

Daily assignment while reading novel is to snap a pic of quote and summarize/explain passage in Seesaw. Interesting choices #teachwriting

bkuhl2you Jan 31 @ 9:45 PM EST

A6 - I have a graphic organizer that I like - we make it about a paragraph. But I want kids to be able to make it shorter, too #teachwriting

lisahughes196 - Moderator Jan 31 @ 9:45 PM EST

Great strategies for summarizing! #teachwriting

ELKissner Jan 31 @ 9:44 PM EST

A6: Here are some strategies that I use: #teachwriting

Jeremybballer Jan 31 @ 9:45 PM EST

Ideas like this definitely help Ss be more successful. #teachwriting

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skeeTX Jan 31 @ 9:46 PM EST

plus they already have support for forthcoming writing assignment #teachwriting

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MsKraushaar Jan 31 @ 9:46 PM EST

Those tools can be helpful. Ultimate goal is to empower Ss to make informed choices about writing. #teachwriting

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lisahughes196 - Moderator Jan 31 @ 9:46 PM EST

I'd like to try Post-It summaries...imagine? That would be fun! #teachwriting

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KellyTumy Jan 31 @ 9:46 PM EST

I LOVE 💕 @RWTnow and they have TONS of resources on summary https://t.co/k3FZCxjeZR- #TeachWriting

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skeeTX Jan 31 @ 9:46 PM EST

Build stamina in a sense #teachwriting

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MsKraushaar Jan 31 @ 9:47 PM EST

Yep, as long as the focus is on the knowledge, not formulaic writing that won't transfer. #teachwriting

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Jeremybballer Jan 31 @ 9:47 PM EST

They can't make informed choices though if they don't know how to write a summary to begin with. #teachwriting

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ELKissner Jan 31 @ 9:47 PM EST

Q7: We can summarize more than just texts... #teachwriting

MsKraushaar Jan 31 @ 9:47 PM EST

As you said, chronological isn't the only way a summary can go. Importance can determine order. Models help. #teachwriting

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skeeTX Jan 31 @ 9:47 PM EST

yes! Succinct! #teachwriting

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lisahughes196 - Moderator Jan 31 @ 9:47 PM EST

Question 7 #teachwriting

ELKissner Jan 31 @ 9:47 PM EST

Q7: We can summarize more than just texts... #teachwriting

MsKraushaar Jan 31 @ 9:48 PM EST

But can helping them make those choices through mentors/coaching help them begin as well? #teachwriting

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Jeremybballer Jan 31 @ 9:48 PM EST

A6: I have had Ss in the past start with writing a one sentence summary. Great way to get them started with their thinking. #teachwriting

bkuhl2you Jan 31 @ 9:48 PM EST

A7 - We summarized a 5 min BrainPop today. It was actually kind of hard - haven't looked at them yet, but might retry. #teachwriting

KellyTumy Jan 31 @ 9:48 PM EST

Cool "One Word Summary" of a poem. @RWTnow https://t.co/MVuILyKHBm #TeachWriting

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lisahughes196 - Moderator Jan 31 @ 9:48 PM EST

I see something! HAHA! It's brewing. #teachwriting

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MsKraushaar Jan 31 @ 9:48 PM EST

That makes complete sense. Gradual release. #teachwriting

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skeeTX Jan 31 @ 9:49 PM EST

A7: why not use novels, stories, blogs, songs, articles, speeches, videos. Try anything! #teachwriting

bkuhl2you Jan 31 @ 9:49 PM EST

A7 - I'd like to try more with personal experience/memoir. "Summarize your morning." Done a few times as journal prompt. #teachwriting

MsKraushaar Jan 31 @ 9:49 PM EST

A7: Songs, videos, viral moments, snapshot moments, etc. All fair game! #teachwriting

childbkauthor Jan 31 @ 9:49 PM EST

#teachwriting A6 Ask ss to write "tweet summaries," 140-characters.

bkuhl2you Jan 31 @ 9:50 PM EST

TV Commercials? Not sure why I love them as instructional tools so much. . . #teachwriting

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lisahughes196 - Moderator Jan 31 @ 9:50 PM EST

A7 I'm working w 4/5 and 11/12 grade...summary is key across genre. We will be working with political cartoons 2mrw in HS #teachwriting

Jeremybballer Jan 31 @ 9:51 PM EST

A7: Have Ss summarize videos or a classmate that just spoke. Helps listening skills. Tweet summaries too. Get to the point. #teachwriting

skeeTX Jan 31 @ 9:51 PM EST

esp Super Bowl ads!!!! #teachwriting

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ELKissner Jan 31 @ 9:51 PM EST

A7: Pixar shorts are awesome to summarize! #teachwriting

childbkauthor Jan 31 @ 9:51 PM EST

#teachwriting A6 140-character tweet summaries and then 140-word summaries!

Jeremybballer Jan 31 @ 9:51 PM EST

A7: I want to try and have Ss create summarizing videos. #teachwriting

lisahughes196 - Moderator Jan 31 @ 9:52 PM EST

LOVE! #teachwriting

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TeachWriting2 - Moderator Jan 31 @ 9:52 PM EST

We're wrapping up soon - please consider moderating for us this spring! https://t.co/AZXKbimQ4w #TeachWriting

ELKissner Jan 31 @ 9:53 PM EST

Q8: Looking ahead and thinking about our hopes for our students... #teachwriting

lisahughes196 - Moderator Jan 31 @ 9:53 PM EST

It would be GREAT to have guest moderators! Please consider! #teachwriting

TeachWriting2 - Moderator Jan 31 @ 9:52 PM EST

We're wrapping up soon - please consider moderating for us this spring! https://t.co/AZXKbimQ4w #TeachWriting

bkuhl2you Jan 31 @ 9:53 PM EST

A8 - It really is a useful, contemporary skill. Good summarizers are in demand, with so much content out there. #teachwriting

lisahughes196 - Moderator Jan 31 @ 9:54 PM EST

Question 8 #teachwriting

ELKissner Jan 31 @ 9:53 PM EST

Q8: Looking ahead and thinking about our hopes for our students... #teachwriting

Jeremybballer Jan 31 @ 9:54 PM EST

A8: I want my Ss to be straight and to the point. #teachwriting

MsKraushaar Jan 31 @ 9:54 PM EST

A8: To see it as useful but also a chance to be creative by intentional choices and structures. #teachwriting

bkuhl2you Jan 31 @ 9:54 PM EST

A8 - I mean, if you haven't heard/seen TL:DR - it's basically a summarizing version of LOL. . . #teachwriting

skeeTX Jan 31 @ 9:55 PM EST

A8: I would love to see more Ss write because it brings them joy, not b/c T says so or to fulfill a requirement. #teachwriting

lisahughes196 - Moderator Jan 31 @ 9:55 PM EST

A8 My hope is that students become more comfortable in summarizing, learn what is important to say, and what can be left out #teachwriting

ELKissner Jan 31 @ 9:55 PM EST

A8: I'm hoping that students will be able to organize ideas to summarize more complicated texts #teachwriting

MsKraushaar Jan 31 @ 9:55 PM EST

I think summaries can kill the joy of writing if not handled carefully. That's a goal of mine--make them more fun! #teachwriting

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Jeremybballer Jan 31 @ 9:56 PM EST

A8: I want my Ss to see that it is a life skill that is applicable. #teachwriting

bkuhl2you Jan 31 @ 9:56 PM EST

A8 - Our kids are already participating in communities where summarizing is common - fandoms, wikis - but not called that. #teachwriting

ELKissner Jan 31 @ 9:56 PM EST

Hoping my students can be future Netflix writers... #teachwriting

bkuhl2you Jan 31 @ 9:53 PM EST

A8 - It really is a useful, contemporary skill. Good summarizers are in demand, with so much content out there. #teachwriting

MsKraushaar Jan 31 @ 9:56 PM EST

And I think reframing it as such is key! Showing summaries "in the wild," so to speak. #teachwriting

bkuhl2you Jan 31 @ 9:56 PM EST

A8 - Our kids are already participating in communities where summarizing is common - fandoms, wikis - but not called that. #teachwriting

skeeTX Jan 31 @ 9:56 PM EST

exactly. We need writing to be fun even if not Ss cup of tea! #teachwriting

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bkuhl2you Jan 31 @ 9:57 PM EST

A8 - I mean, we're kind of summarizing right now, aren't we? Squishing our points into 140 characters? That's the challenge. #teachwriting

lisahughes196 - Moderator Jan 31 @ 9:57 PM EST

Summaries in their natural habitat!!! I LOVE THIS!! #teachWriting

MsKraushaar Jan 31 @ 9:56 PM EST
And I think reframing it as such is key! Showing summaries "in the wild," so to speak. #teachwriting
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  A8 - Our kids are already participating in communities where summarizing is common - fandoms, wikis - but not called that. #teachwriting

MsKraushaar Jan 31 @ 9:57 PM EST

I mean, endless summarizing sounds like a ring of hell to me, but when you look at in in the real world, it's not! #teachwriting

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childbkauthor Jan 31 @ 9:57 PM EST

#teachwriting Agree. Sometimes summaries can't capture the purpose, the aesthetics, the poetry of writing ...

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ELKissner Jan 31 @ 9:57 PM EST

I started researching summarizing in 2004 after a disagreement at a curriculum mtg--lots of research and two books later 1/2 #teachwriting

TeachWriting2 - Moderator Jan 31 @ 9:58 PM EST

Thank you to @ELKissner for moderating tonight! Great job! #TeachWriting

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farrtom Jan 31 @ 9:58 PM EST

A8 I hope my Ss will grow as readers and writers from summarizing. #TeachWriting

Jeremybballer Jan 31 @ 9:58 PM EST

@ReadDRjwilhelm has some great things about summarizing in his books. #teachwriting

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skeeTX Jan 31 @ 9:58 PM EST

yup! Great practice for me as I can talk all day! #teachwriting

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lisahughes196 - Moderator Jan 31 @ 9:58 PM EST

That made me laugh Katie! :) #TeachWriting

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lisahughes196 - Moderator Jan 31 @ 9:59 PM EST

Many thanks to @bkuhl2you for all he does to support this chat! You are appreciated! #TeachWriting

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TeachWriting2 - Moderator Jan 31 @ 9:59 PM EST

Thank you to our co-founders @bkuhl2you and @lisahughes196! This PLN ROCKS! 3 years strong! #TeachWriting

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ELKissner Jan 31 @ 9:59 PM EST

Thanks everyone! It was fun to moderate tonight... #teachwriting

MsKraushaar Jan 31 @ 9:59 PM EST

What can I say, I'm a creative writer at heart. Working on it... #teachwriting

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skeeTX Jan 31 @ 9:59 PM EST

My wife is a lawyer and it's essential #teachwriting

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bkuhl2you Jan 31 @ 9:59 PM EST

Same here. Maybe that's why I like it so much - an unusual challenge. #TeachWriting

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childbkauthor Jan 31 @ 9:59 PM EST

#teachwriting Summarizing but with an emphasis on accuracy, on not missing out on the actual purpose and, if poss, also recognize bias.

MsKraushaar Jan 31 @ 9:59 PM EST

New goal...summaries IRL list. I think Ss would grab on to that! #teachwriting

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TeachWriting2 - Moderator Jan 31 @ 10:00 PM EST

Be on the lookout for the archive! Courtesy of Storify and @bkuhl2you #TeachWriting

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