#425chat Archive

This is a chat for football coaches to discuss the 4-2-5 defense on Thursday at 8PM CT

Thursday December 13, 2018
9:00 PM EST

  • CoachKelleyCHHS Dec 13 @ 9:01 PM EST
    INTRODUCE YOURSELF! #425chat
  • CoachKelleyCHHS Dec 13 @ 9:04 PM EST
    Unless nobody wants to join tonight đź‘€ #425chat
  • ESBigUglies Dec 13 @ 9:05 PM EST
    Tyson Gullicksrud, Eleva-Strum (WI) DC #425chat
  • CoachKelleyCHHS Dec 13 @ 9:06 PM EST
    Welcome coach! Might be only two folks tonight #425chat
    In reply to @ESBigUglies
  • CODY_GARDNER Dec 13 @ 9:06 PM EST
    Cody Gardner DC - Park City HS Park City, UT #425chat
  • sw_wilcox Dec 13 @ 9:07 PM EST
    Seth Wilcox DeKalb High School (Waterloo, In) DC/Safeties Coach #425chat
  • CoachKelleyCHHS Dec 13 @ 9:08 PM EST
    Q1: What is your coverage check to empty? Why? #425chat
  • CoachKelleyCHHS Dec 13 @ 9:09 PM EST
    Oh well! We got enough to get better! #425chat
    In reply to @CODY_GARDNER
  • BarryHoover Dec 13 @ 9:10 PM EST
    Barry Hoover OC - Turner County HS, GA #425chat
  • CODY_GARDNER Dec 13 @ 9:10 PM EST
    A1) Cover 3 and spy the QB or Cover 0 and bring some if not all the heat I can. Depends on the O's reason why they are going empty. #425chat
  • CoachKelleyCHHS Dec 13 @ 9:11 PM EST
    We will do a 3 question chat tonight with 4 participants! People can look and join when they want. I’ll post all questions on here with #425chat
  • CoachKelleyCHHS Dec 13 @ 9:12 PM EST
    Q2: Do you have a particular blitz or auto call that you like against an offensive play or formation? #425chat
  • CoachKelleyCHHS Dec 13 @ 9:13 PM EST
    Q3: What are your checks within your defense? Check out of a blitz against empty? Certain formations you automatically want to have checks for? #425chat
  • rmacblue Dec 13 @ 9:13 PM EST
    Ryan McCartney DC Salem HS, Indiana #425chat
  • ESBigUglies Dec 13 @ 9:13 PM EST
    A1 we drop are more athletic inside linebacker back at safety level to give us the two high safety look and play cover 4. Other inside linebacker patrols the middle hole and reads for any run #425chat
  • CODY_GARDNER Dec 13 @ 9:14 PM EST
    A2)I love to walk LBs over TEs or tight bunch trips. Not a lot of TEs out there and fewer that are willing blockers. #425chat
  • CoachKelleyCHHS Dec 13 @ 9:14 PM EST
    Q4: What is your most successful check within your defense? #425chat
  • coachcasey14 Dec 13 @ 9:14 PM EST
    A little late to the party. Jeff Casey Head Coach Treynor High School (Iowa) #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • rmacblue Dec 13 @ 9:15 PM EST
    A1) Split; with 2-Read to the backside #425chat
  • CoachKelleyCHHS Dec 13 @ 9:15 PM EST
    #425chat
    In reply to @coachtrotter
  • CODY_GARDNER Dec 13 @ 9:15 PM EST
    A3) We had a lot of AFC, there are within the game plan and again its to match their whys... #425chat
  • coachcasey14 Dec 13 @ 9:16 PM EST
    We kept all our coverages REALLY simple this year. Checked to Cover 3 if we saw empty (we rarely saw empty tho). #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • ESBigUglies Dec 13 @ 9:16 PM EST
    A2 we have tried to stay away from auto blitz but love to send a blitz at any jet action #425chat
  • CODY_GARDNER Dec 13 @ 9:17 PM EST
    A4)"Stone" Sam on TE, 5-2 look, especially vs 21. #425chat
  • rmacblue Dec 13 @ 9:17 PM EST
    A3) we check to “river” when we want to blitz but we need it to come from the opposite side #425chat
  • rmacblue Dec 13 @ 9:18 PM EST
    A4) Love auto calls to formation tendencies where we check out front/stunt to match offense formation/tendency #425chat
  • coachcasey14 Dec 13 @ 9:18 PM EST
    We go into the week with a base coverage we feel is best but always have built in checks against certain formations we see on film study. For example we might check into something against a 2x2 or 3x1. Again depends on the offense’s favorite plays/formations. #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • CoachCason1 Dec 13 @ 9:19 PM EST
    #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • ESBigUglies Dec 13 @ 9:20 PM EST
    A3 this past year we check to our two high look with any immediate four vertical threat (Scouted threat) with dropping one of the ILB #425chat
  • sw_wilcox Dec 13 @ 9:21 PM EST
    A1: We only saw empty once this year and it was 4x1. They always rolled to the quad side. We manned the backside, shifted our safeties, blitzed the overhang, and sprinted our Mike to the flat. Our Mike picked a pass and they never got back into it. #425chat
  • Coach_JGill Dec 13 @ 9:22 PM EST
    We check “Green” if not pressuring. Man #1 to Trips, Triangle coverage on 2 & 3 with */FS/Will. Pattern read 1 & 2 weak. #425Chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • Coach_NW_ETHS Dec 13 @ 9:23 PM EST
    @COACH_TB_SJB and @Coachcjkinger use the best empty pressure which is impossible to block, it basically eliminates them facing empty. #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS, @COACH_TB_SJB, @Coachcjkinger
  • BarryHoover Dec 13 @ 9:23 PM EST
    A1 - my first year as DC we played regular Solo Qtrs vs Empty b/f we installed Special. It was a little scary because our Will LB was man vs their Slot WR (see pic). I like Special to the Read Side vs Empty and then play 2 Read or whatever we need to on the Away Side #425chat
  • CoachDiG Dec 13 @ 9:24 PM EST
    Vince DiGaetano Head Football Coach @NYMaritimeFB #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS, @NYMaritimeFB
  • CoachDiG Dec 13 @ 9:25 PM EST
    A1: best bet. Man coverage and close gaps #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • Coach_JGill Dec 13 @ 9:25 PM EST
    We will BTF (Blitz the Formation) or BTB (Blitz the Backfield) based on scouting report/tendencies/protections/etc. In our quarterfinal game this year we had an auto check that gave us an overloaded pressure, double edge, or double A-Gap based on backfield set. #425Chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • godalwayzfam1st Dec 13 @ 9:27 PM EST
    My bad... Late to the party! Hopefully I made it in before the cover charge hours! Kyle Suttles DC, Northwest HS Grand Island (it's not really an island), NE Happy to be here! I'll be in the back listening, taking notes! Carry on! #RTB2Gether #425chat
  • CoachDiG Dec 13 @ 9:27 PM EST
    A2: Love Biltz avalabikty stuff. Keep patten same for lineman and use available defenders to get best leverage #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • mikestauffer Dec 13 @ 9:27 PM EST
    Mike Stauffer, SoCal #425chat
  • sw_wilcox Dec 13 @ 9:27 PM EST
    A3:This season our secondary checked into coverages based on the looks they got. I was fortunate enough to have a senior safety that was like having a coach on the field that made 80% of our coverage calls. #425chat
  • CODY_GARDNER Dec 13 @ 9:28 PM EST
    We had a lot of success with 5-1-1-5, and stack Mike in a 00, Will and Same in 70-90 techs. With the d line playing TGOG. #425chat
  • Hayden108John Dec 13 @ 9:28 PM EST
    A#1. We use a cover it & kill it scheme. #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • Coach_NW_ETHS Dec 13 @ 9:28 PM EST
    #425chat A1) to the trips we play corner ( X out theory) lock 1, safety and N play 2 read on new #2 l. Backside plays 2 read. It’s good for putting best athletes against their best athletes, especially deep threats. Also, still have 6 in box. Multiple ways to play it for sure
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • CoachDiG Dec 13 @ 9:28 PM EST
    A3: 3x1 and 4 strong are usual check points to match the imbalance of the offense. #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • BarryHoover Dec 13 @ 9:29 PM EST
    A2 - can't think of a favorite check, it really depends on the opponent. It could be a Field blitz to the side they like to Sprint-Out to w/ ball on the hash. Safeties must be able to check and get us into the right coverage when they move their best WR around. #425chat
  • Coach_JGill Dec 13 @ 9:30 PM EST
    A3: We check in or out of any call based on opponent scout. Empty, 12P ACE, 3 Backs, etc are all autos for us. Stacks, bunches, snugs, etc will have coverage adjustments. Ex: 3 ways to play bunch (zone, man, pressure). Coach speak but depends on what the O presents. #425Chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • godalwayzfam1st Dec 13 @ 9:30 PM EST
    A1) Scenario/D&D... • Cov 4 w/ 5 man pressure OR • Cov 0, bringing 6 (keep him caged w/ my DEs) #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • justin_sligh Dec 13 @ 9:30 PM EST
    Left field idea...empty is a great time to drop a DL into coverage, pressure with normal coverage guy #425Chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • gstrick16 Dec 13 @ 9:31 PM EST
    Q1: I haven't run it as a coach but I like it- Tampa 2 coverage with the free safety playing the Tampa dropper/deep middle/alley defender, widening out the strong and weak safeties and playing them outside 1/3. Corner force #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • sw_wilcox Dec 13 @ 9:31 PM EST
    A2: There were a couple teams this year that we got really solid tendencies from teams out of certain formations. We would have auto blitzes in those situations. #425chat
  • KingCoachDub Dec 13 @ 9:33 PM EST
    Cover 6...automatic double LB blitz #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • coachvint Dec 13 @ 9:33 PM EST
    A lot of great coaches sharing ideas here! Going to make make us work for yards! Love seeing what you guys are doing on the dark side. #425chat
  • CoachKelleyCHHS Dec 13 @ 9:33 PM EST
    #425chat
    In reply to @coachcobes
  • CoachKelleyCHHS Dec 13 @ 9:33 PM EST
    #425chat
    In reply to @RMA_Football1
  • ESBigUglies Dec 13 @ 9:33 PM EST
    A4 against 3x1 we will use quarters concept on the trips side and either go man or cover 2 on the backside depending on what the other team is trying to do. I like creating the 4 on three (Safety & Corner in 1/4, SOLB in flats, PILB looking in the hooks2curls #425chat
  • CoachKelleyCHHS Dec 13 @ 9:34 PM EST
    Appreciate the love coach Vint! #425chat
    In reply to @coachvint
  • coachskender65 Dec 13 @ 9:34 PM EST
    We had 2 checks. 1st check was heat. Which is man coverage with a 6 man front. 2 guys line up on both tackles and center. Whichever one is blocked drops and the other keeps rushing. One guys is always free. And our second check was basecover 4. Rush 3 and drop 8. #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • BarryHoover Dec 13 @ 9:34 PM EST
    A1 - That's Special in TCU terminology. Very good choice vs Empty. #425chat
    • Coach_NW_ETHS Dec 13 @ 9:28 PM EST
      #425chat A1) to the trips we play corner ( X out theory) lock 1, safety and N play 2 read on new #2 l. Backside plays 2 read. It’s good for putting best athletes against their best athletes, especially deep threats. Also, still have 6 in box. Multiple ways to play it for sure
      In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • Coach_JGill Dec 13 @ 9:35 PM EST
    A4: Best checks for us are our base checks. Our design is to get at least 1 extra hat in the box vs every set. We feel like our base checks help us get that accomplished. 2 backs, FIB, Empty, Motion, Unbalanced all have autos. #425Chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • godalwayzfam1st Dec 13 @ 9:35 PM EST
    A2) LOVE Cov 3 v trips (like to bring pressure away from formation w/ whip-WS). It's our bread and butter, kids are super comfortable and confident in it! #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • Hayden108John Dec 13 @ 9:36 PM EST
    A3: Only checks we have is against empty as stated or if a team were to jump into a DBL tight formation. We would check out of blitz called against empty then make a kill it (blitz) or cover it call from sideline. Blitz involves one player and doesn't change coverage. #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • BarryHoover Dec 13 @ 9:36 PM EST
    Heat is nasty! #425chat
    • coachskender65 Dec 13 @ 9:34 PM EST
      We had 2 checks. 1st check was heat. Which is man coverage with a 6 man front. 2 guys line up on both tackles and center. Whichever one is blocked drops and the other keeps rushing. One guys is always free. And our second check was basecover 4. Rush 3 and drop 8. #425chat
      In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • Marshall_Cuomo Dec 13 @ 9:37 PM EST
    Very late to this one, checking in between grading! Marshall Cuomo Warren Hills NJ LBs and Defensive Assistant #425chat
  • coachcobes Dec 13 @ 9:38 PM EST
    #425chat
    In reply to @CoachLLGaudette
  • Coach_Winland Dec 13 @ 9:38 PM EST
    Late to the party, Lurking to learn! LJ Winland Moundsville WV #425Chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • coachcobes Dec 13 @ 9:40 PM EST
    You can also show 6 and zone drop to get to a 3 deep zone. #425chat
    In reply to @Coach_NW_ETHS, @CoachKelleyCHHS, @COACH_TB_SJB, @Coachcjkinger
  • CODY_GARDNER Dec 13 @ 9:40 PM EST
    All this split field, two high talk makes me miss coaching it. Made the switch to a 3-5 last year was effective but not the same. #425chat
  • CoachKelleyCHHS Dec 13 @ 9:40 PM EST
    #425chat welcome!
    • Hayden108John Dec 13 @ 9:39 PM EST
      Sorry way late entry. John Hayden DC at Decatur Saint Teresa
      In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • godalwayzfam1st Dec 13 @ 9:41 PM EST
    A3) • Empty- the check is typically Cov (but game plan dependent) • Have an alignment auto v trips, just give the offense a tough number count • other checks are typically gameplan/opponent tendency dependent #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • ESBigUglies Dec 13 @ 9:42 PM EST
    A4 other things we see a lot of is teams running 2 TE and 3 Back sets and spread with the same personnel. We have a couple options with fronts as we cannot change personnel. 'Heavy' w/ cover 2 roam (safety playing run) and moving are safety up to the line to crawl 52look #425chat
  • Hayden108John Dec 13 @ 9:42 PM EST
    A1:Ours is our base what we call "Sit Check". Our FS makes coverage call based on formation/ scouting report. #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • BarryHoover Dec 13 @ 9:42 PM EST
    No, thank goodness, they had their RB in the Slot who was pretty fast and not a good match-up. I had a midget out there, about 5'4" with average speed. Luckily they didn't throw that way but I was pretty scared. #425chat
    • CoachJones08 Dec 13 @ 9:38 PM EST
      Did anyone ever formation you to get their #1 WR on your WLB?
      In reply to @BarryHoover
  • godalwayzfam1st Dec 13 @ 9:43 PM EST
    A4) ALL OF THEM!!! Lol, just kidding! But usually, we are checking into something our kids do really well and are really confident playing! Less thinking equals higher success rate! #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • CODY_GARDNER Dec 13 @ 9:44 PM EST
    I think that is part of your scouting report, AFC= do this but if the "dude" is here, check to this. #425chat
    In reply to @BarryHoover
  • Marshall_Cuomo Dec 13 @ 9:45 PM EST
    A1) Most often see 3x2, roll to trips, play down on #2 or the quick threat, with quarters over top. Man, Cov 2 or quarters to backside. #425chat
  • gstrick16 Dec 13 @ 9:46 PM EST
    A3: vs RPO teams in a 2x2 set, run 2 read away from the back, robber to the back. #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • coachsmitty_43 Dec 13 @ 9:47 PM EST
    A1: Split Field Pattern Match to both sides...kids simply see it as Trips on one side n Twins on the other...we will check the front to Empty more often than the coverage in an attempt to gain apex players on both sides of the field to provide help in coverage #425Chat
  • BarryHoover Dec 13 @ 9:52 PM EST
    Is anybody ever checking from 2 High to a 1 High look? I kind of like 1 High vs 2 Backs. #425chat
  • coachsmitty_43 Dec 13 @ 9:53 PM EST
    A2: We have a call that puts us into an Under front covering up the TE with a SS on the LOS...love it against Wing-T and Pro teams #425Chat
  • gstrick16 Dec 13 @ 9:54 PM EST
    Stay +1 in the box and 2 read away from the back. To the back, olb defends against bubble/now screen, free defends against any pop or snag route, corner plays MOD on 1 #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • CODY_GARDNER Dec 13 @ 9:55 PM EST
    Yes, sir. 2 backs is almost always going to get a safety walked down or a hard corner. 6 man box, unless we can get to a 7 man box, unless we can get to a 8 man box, robber and get into a 9! #425chat
    In reply to @BarryHoover
  • runyan10c Dec 13 @ 9:56 PM EST
    Any examples? Been thinking about implementing them. #425chat
    In reply to @rmacblue
  • coachsmitty_43 Dec 13 @ 9:57 PM EST
    A3: Only check we carry out from Day 1 is set the front away from a true Trips set...gets LB closer to 3WR surface to provide help in coverage #425Chat
  • gstrick16 Dec 13 @ 9:59 PM EST
    Vs two back in quarters the weak safety will give a "sky" call to the corner (who will play MOD on 1) and then an "I'm here" call to the lbs as he walks up into the box. Will either run 2 read or robber to the strength #425chat
    In reply to @BarryHoover