#ISEDchat Archive

Independent School EdChat.
Thursday January 19, 2017
9:00 PM EST
  • CarneySandoe Jan 19 @ 9:00 PM EST
    Welcome to #isedchat! We're excited to share and learn from each other on the topic of hiring in #indyschools.
  • participatechat Jan 19 @ 9:00 PM EST
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  • CarneySandoe Jan 19 @ 9:01 PM EST
    Many schools we work with talk about innovation and innovators. What does this mean to you? Tech? Pedagogy? Curriculum? #isedchat
  • ckoos1 - Moderator Jan 19 @ 9:04 PM EST
    Cathy Koos from Melbourne, FL #isedchat
  • skeeTX Jan 19 @ 9:04 PM EST
    Innovation isn't simply using tech, it's a mindset/approach. How might we... #isedchat
  • CarneySandoe Jan 19 @ 9:08 PM EST
    agreed! What do you think is the key to making that mindshift and executing on it? #isedchat
    In reply to @skeeTX
  • ckoos1 - Moderator Jan 19 @ 9:08 PM EST
    Innovation has been spurred by book Teach Like a Pirate. Doing our second #tlap day tom #isedchat https://t.co/yn3w8hUdPJ
  • skeeTX Jan 19 @ 9:10 PM EST
    Ts need an open mind, rethink their why?, educate themselves and try to innovate in class even if they fail #isedchat
    In reply to @CarneySandoe
  • skeeTX Jan 19 @ 9:10 PM EST
    #tlap is a great chat! I've learned a ton #isedchat
    In reply to @ckoos1
  • theatlis Jan 19 @ 9:11 PM EST
    I think the willingness to take a fresh look. Expertise and innovation can go hand in hand. #isedchat
    In reply to @CarneySandoe, @skeeTX
  • ckoos1 - Moderator Jan 19 @ 9:11 PM EST
    a great point about failing. Teachers need an environment where they feel safe to take some risks. #isedchat
    In reply to @skeeTX, @CarneySandoe
  • CarneySandoe Jan 19 @ 9:12 PM EST
    we're familiar with it too. Love the idea of lessons you can "sell tickets for" Cathy! #isedchat
    In reply to @skeeTX, @ckoos1
  • ckoos1 - Moderator Jan 19 @ 9:12 PM EST
    Yes! Kids and teachers alike are excited about tomorrow! #isedchat
    In reply to @CarneySandoe, @skeeTX
  • CarneySandoe Jan 19 @ 9:13 PM EST
    and having that environment definitely helps with faculty buy-in around such ideas #isedchat
    In reply to @ckoos1, @skeeTX
  • CarneySandoe Jan 19 @ 9:14 PM EST
    How big a factor does innovation play into your school's hiring practices? #isedchat
  • skeeTX Jan 19 @ 9:14 PM EST
    I think some Ts are skeptical a/b innovation and other buzz words in education. Some tough ones to convince at times #isedchat
  • massignmenthelp Jan 19 @ 9:15 PM EST
    #EduAfterHours #sstlap #isedchat #TBookC #SciStuChat #atplc #ICEilchat Project based learning https://t.co/u8MMjb1Oxk
  • ckoos1 - Moderator Jan 19 @ 9:15 PM EST
    Now it definitely plays a role. I also love when teachers are on Twitter to keep up with latest trends. #isedchat
    In reply to @CarneySandoe
  • skeeTX Jan 19 @ 9:15 PM EST
    @ckoos1 I would think new hires have to be able to consider possibilities and approach the job w/ that mindset. #isedchat
    In reply to @CarneySandoe, @ckoos1
  • TyeJCampbell Jan 19 @ 9:16 PM EST
    Agreed re: skepticism with buzz words like “innovation” - it just hasn’t been made real in practice to some Ts yet #Isedchat
    In reply to @skeeTX
  • skeeTX Jan 19 @ 9:17 PM EST
    How do we differentiate between a trend and something w/ staying power? #isedchat
    In reply to @ckoos1, @CarneySandoe
  • TyeJCampbell Jan 19 @ 9:17 PM EST
    Hands-on PD and workshopping can make significant strides in overcoming skepticism with innovation with Tx #Isedchat
  • skeeTX Jan 19 @ 9:17 PM EST
    Yes, but what holds many back? #isedchat
    In reply to @TyeJCampbell
  • CarneySandoe Jan 19 @ 9:17 PM EST
    it's a great place for PD for sure! #isedchat
    In reply to @ckoos1
  • CarneySandoe Jan 19 @ 9:18 PM EST
    great points! What about mentoring your fellow teachers as well? #isedchat
    In reply to @TyeJCampbell
  • skeeTX Jan 19 @ 9:18 PM EST
    @CarneySandoe Do you ask applicants about their approach to innovation? Demonstrate? #isedchat
    In reply to @CarneySandoe
  • ckoos1 - Moderator Jan 19 @ 9:18 PM EST
    Student outcomes improve. If it works, I'm going to keep doing it. Personal experience in the classroom. #isedchat
    • skeeTX Jan 19 @ 9:17 PM EST
      How do we differentiate between a trend and something w/ staying power? #isedchat
      In reply to @ckoos1, @CarneySandoe
  • skeeTX Jan 19 @ 9:19 PM EST
    Definitely, and applaud those who take risks or try #isedchat
    In reply to @CarneySandoe, @TyeJCampbell
  • ckoos1 - Moderator Jan 19 @ 9:19 PM EST
    Many now come with evidence: website with videos of their classes in action, for example. #isedchat
    In reply to @skeeTX, @CarneySandoe
  • skeeTX Jan 19 @ 9:19 PM EST
    @CarneySandoe agreed! However, some Ts say if it ain't broke....#isedchat
    In reply to @ckoos1, @CarneySandoe
  • AssignmentHelpN Jan 19 @ 9:20 PM EST
    #EduAfterHours #isedchat #TBookC #SciStuChat #atplc 17 for ’17: Experts on E-learning & EdTech Trends for 2017 https://t.co/I9aiwWWsrV
  • TyeJCampbell Jan 19 @ 9:20 PM EST
    Great opportunity for Ts to create and maintain portfolios of them demonstrating innovation #Isedchat
    In reply to @ckoos1, @skeeTX, @CarneySandoe
  • CarneySandoe Jan 19 @ 9:20 PM EST
    we look for applicants to go above & beyond "traditional" teaching for sure. It's also dependent on position/school needs #isedchat
    In reply to @skeeTX
  • skeeTX Jan 19 @ 9:21 PM EST
    Gone are the days of paper resumes and hard copy portfolios at interviews! #isedchat
    In reply to @TyeJCampbell, @ckoos1, @CarneySandoe
  • CarneySandoe Jan 19 @ 9:22 PM EST
    Having this evidence is extremely helpful when applying to a position. Schools like concrete examples, to be shown what you do. #isedchat
    • ckoos1 - Moderator Jan 19 @ 9:19 PM EST
      Many now come with evidence: website with videos of their classes in action, for example. #isedchat
      In reply to @skeeTX, @CarneySandoe
  • TyeJCampbell Jan 19 @ 9:22 PM EST
    That’s right! What better what to show what you can do than to show what you have done! #Isedchat
    In reply to @skeeTX, @ckoos1, @CarneySandoe
  • skeeTX Jan 19 @ 9:22 PM EST
    Innovation is key, but how do you determine if applicant is going to forge relationships with Ss and faculty? #isedchat
  • theatlis Jan 19 @ 9:22 PM EST
    Why wait until something is broken to improve it? #isedchat
    In reply to @skeeTX, @ckoos1, @CarneySandoe
  • ckoos1 - Moderator Jan 19 @ 9:24 PM EST
    Agreed. I like the continuous improvement model. Always looking for better ways to reach students. #isedchat
    In reply to @theatlis, @skeeTX
  • TyeJCampbell Jan 19 @ 9:24 PM EST
    Unfortunately, improvement usually = more work & Ts don’t feel like they have enough time #Isedchat
    In reply to @theatlis, @skeeTX, @ckoos1, @CarneySandoe
  • CarneySandoe Jan 19 @ 9:24 PM EST
    schools will ask not only about qualifications, but pointed questions to determine empathy and compassion #isedchat
    In reply to @skeeTX
  • skeeTX Jan 19 @ 9:25 PM EST
    Agreed, but that requires change and some resist. #isedchat
    In reply to @theatlis, @ckoos1, @CarneySandoe
  • ckoos1 - Moderator Jan 19 @ 9:25 PM EST
    Having multiple people a part of interview process is helpful for this. Include current teacher input. #isedchat
    In reply to @skeeTX
  • ckoos1 - Moderator Jan 19 @ 9:26 PM EST
    How can admin help provide more time for teachers to do this meaningful work? I ask myself that sometimes. #isedchat
    In reply to @TyeJCampbell
  • skeeTX Jan 19 @ 9:27 PM EST
    Yes, we use that approach. Talk case studies, ask about experiences/situations. Definitely helps! #isedchat
    In reply to @ckoos1
  • skeeTX Jan 19 @ 9:27 PM EST
    Schedule drives everything for Ss and Ts. Everyone needs time! #isedchat
    In reply to @ckoos1, @TyeJCampbell
  • CarneySandoe Jan 19 @ 9:27 PM EST
    Schools are using every point of contact with you as part of the interview process. Always use professional etiquette #isedchat
  • ckoos1 - Moderator Jan 19 @ 9:27 PM EST
    No shortage of situations to ask them how they'd approach the issue. ;) #isedchat
    In reply to @skeeTX
  • TyeJCampbell Jan 19 @ 9:28 PM EST
    It’s tough - I think admin needs to innovate in this area as well - build time into the schedule, mentor teachers, etc. #Isedchat
    In reply to @ckoos1
  • skeeTX Jan 19 @ 9:28 PM EST
    we can certainly create case studies from our own experiences! #isedchat
    In reply to @ckoos1
  • TyeJCampbell Jan 19 @ 9:29 PM EST
    Agreed! #Isedchat
    In reply to @skeeTX, @ckoos1
  • skeeTX Jan 19 @ 9:30 PM EST
    Can you make Ts accountable and ask if they've innovated? Examples? Portfolio proof? #isedchat
    In reply to @TyeJCampbell, @ckoos1
  • skeeTX Jan 19 @ 9:31 PM EST
    We teach our Ss the same when interviewing for high school. #isedchat
    In reply to @CarneySandoe
  • CarneySandoe Jan 19 @ 9:31 PM EST
    Speaking of etiquette, what are some tips you might give new teachers looking for their first job? #isedchat
  • TyeJCampbell Jan 19 @ 9:31 PM EST
    I think that’s exactly where it starts, with teachers building portfolios of their work & increasing collaboration #Isedchat
    In reply to @skeeTX, @ckoos1
  • skeeTX Jan 19 @ 9:33 PM EST
    New Ts who do research and know school mission, tenets can impress. Demonstrate a willingness to join community, not just a job #isedchat
  • CarneySandoe Jan 19 @ 9:33 PM EST
    @skeeTX the basic rules haven't changed much, have they? Be polite, responsive, and prepared. #isedchat
    In reply to @skeeTX
  • theatlis Jan 19 @ 9:34 PM EST
    Don't be afraid to ask questions about what's appropriate before you arrive. Can make things much smoother #isedchat
    In reply to @CarneySandoe
  • skeeTX Jan 19 @ 9:34 PM EST
    no, rules are similar but access is easier to be more in the know about potential employer. #isedchat
    In reply to @CarneySandoe
  • TyeJCampbell Jan 19 @ 9:34 PM EST
    Biggest advice I would give to new Ts would be to be open and willing to learn and adapt #Isedchat
    In reply to @CarneySandoe
  • ckoos1 - Moderator Jan 19 @ 9:34 PM EST
    Knowing mission of school is critical. #isedchat
    In reply to @CarneySandoe
  • skeeTX Jan 19 @ 9:35 PM EST
    Ts wear many hats and flexibility is essential. #isedchat
    In reply to @TyeJCampbell, @CarneySandoe
  • TyeJCampbell Jan 19 @ 9:36 PM EST
    Re: mission, I would advise candidates to ask interviewers about their interpretation of the mission #Isedchat
    In reply to @ckoos1, @CarneySandoe
  • Learn21Tech Jan 19 @ 9:37 PM EST
    Hi #isedchat Lisa stopping in - HoS @HFAPgh in Pittsburgh!
    In reply to @HFAPgh
  • TyeJCampbell Jan 19 @ 9:37 PM EST
    Too many schools have a stated mission that is disconnected from their day-to-day work purpose #Isedchat
    In reply to @ckoos1, @CarneySandoe
  • ckoos1 - Moderator Jan 19 @ 9:37 PM EST
    True. Nuances exist beyond what one can read on the website. #isedchat
    In reply to @TyeJCampbell
  • CarneySandoe Jan 19 @ 9:37 PM EST
    great point, and to also have an idea of what their mission means to someone outside the community #isedchat
    In reply to @TyeJCampbell, @ckoos1
  • TyeJCampbell Jan 19 @ 9:38 PM EST
    Schools that are “in touch” with their mission are more likely to be in pursuit of it #Isedchat
    In reply to @ckoos1, @CarneySandoe
  • Learn21Tech Jan 19 @ 9:38 PM EST
    #isedchat definitely see the shift in hiring "innovative" Ts but what about Admins/HoS that are "innovative" and/or break the typical mold?
  • skeeTX Jan 19 @ 9:38 PM EST
    Part sales pitch, part daily mantra #isedchat
    In reply to @TyeJCampbell, @ckoos1, @CarneySandoe
  • TyeJCampbell Jan 19 @ 9:38 PM EST
    Hola! #Isedchat
    In reply to @Learn21Tech
  • theatlis Jan 19 @ 9:38 PM EST
    yes! Candidates can tie outside reading or professional networking to school mission (I was listening to a podcast.. #isedchat
    In reply to @TyeJCampbell
  • Learn21Tech Jan 19 @ 9:39 PM EST
    We hire folks with passion for our mission, that fight for social justice and want to teach in a #PBL/design focused school. #isedchat
  • Learn21Tech Jan 19 @ 9:39 PM EST
    good evening! #isedchat
    In reply to @TyeJCampbell
  • skeeTX Jan 19 @ 9:40 PM EST
    We need more who break the mold to lead the way so others will follow and aspire to be a HOS. #isedchat
    In reply to @Learn21Tech
  • skeeTX Jan 19 @ 9:40 PM EST
    experience v willingness? Ideally both I suppose. #isedchat
    In reply to @Learn21Tech
  • CarneySandoe Jan 19 @ 9:40 PM EST
    those points are definitely becoming more prominent in schools today. Belief in mission is huge #isedchat
    In reply to @Learn21Tech
  • TyeJCampbell Jan 19 @ 9:41 PM EST
    That’s right - there are lots of folks out there w/ great potential in indies - may not think they are Ts #Isedchat
    In reply to @skeeTX, @Learn21Tech
  • Learn21Tech Jan 19 @ 9:41 PM EST
    Was candidate for Sr Admin position and was told they were focusing too much on "innovation" and needed dial back at school. #isedchat
  • Learn21Tech Jan 19 @ 9:42 PM EST
    Gracefully bowed out at that moment. #corevalues #mindset #isedchat
  • TyeJCampbell Jan 19 @ 9:42 PM EST
    Right move! #Isedchat
    In reply to @Learn21Tech
  • Learn21Tech Jan 19 @ 9:43 PM EST
    been told by search firms I'd be hard to place because I'm too "out of the box" for most: code for young and female? #isedchat
    In reply to @skeeTX
  • TyeJCampbell Jan 19 @ 9:44 PM EST
    In my searches, if interviewers couldn’t speak to mission with passion, I knew something was amiss #Isedchat
    In reply to @CarneySandoe, @Learn21Tech
  • skeeTX Jan 19 @ 9:44 PM EST
    Shouldn't schools be cultivating their own talent if Ts aspire for more? #isedchat
  • Learn21Tech Jan 19 @ 9:45 PM EST
    and totally happy where I landed! Love our team and Ss! #isedchat
    In reply to @TyeJCampbell
  • TyeJCampbell Jan 19 @ 9:46 PM EST
    Likewise!! Couldn’t be happier that I landed @GilmanSchool - great team all-around and great Ss too! #Isedchat
    In reply to @Learn21Tech, @GilmanSchool
  • Learn21Tech Jan 19 @ 9:46 PM EST
    100! Agree totally. Succession planning and leadership opportunities essential #isedchat
    In reply to @skeeTX
  • TyeJCampbell Jan 19 @ 9:47 PM EST
    Cultivate or constantly replace good Ts who leave for greener pastures #Isedchat
    In reply to @skeeTX
  • Learn21Tech Jan 19 @ 9:48 PM EST
    How might we empower teachers so IndySchools are more "teacher powered" to be leaders and flatten orgs? #innovation #nimble #isedchat
  • TyeJCampbell Jan 19 @ 9:48 PM EST
    Going to check this out #Isedchat
  • skeeTX Jan 19 @ 9:48 PM EST
    What about complacency? How do we motivate, encourage? #isedchat
    In reply to @TyeJCampbell
  • CarneySandoe Jan 19 @ 9:48 PM EST
    cultivating how? Prof dev? Mentoring? This works in tandem in bringing new employees as well. #isedchat
    In reply to @skeeTX
  • Learn21Tech Jan 19 @ 9:50 PM EST
    @juhieruby thanks for sharing - as a design focused school these will come in handy! #isedchat
    In reply to @TyeJCampbell, @juhieruby
  • skeeTX Jan 19 @ 9:50 PM EST
    Admin can encourage/support those Ts willing to put themselves out there more often. Trickle down #isedchat
    In reply to @Learn21Tech
  • TyeJCampbell Jan 19 @ 9:50 PM EST
    Give teachers some more freedom, and be purposeful and active in encouraging and motivating Ts - let them try to fail #Isedchat
    In reply to @skeeTX
  • Learn21Tech Jan 19 @ 9:50 PM EST
    yes - stop putting up road blocks and just TRUST and let it flow. #isedchat
    In reply to @skeeTX
  • CarneySandoe Jan 19 @ 9:51 PM EST
    Less that 10 minutes left in this #isedchat on the topic of hiring in #indyschools! Time flies when you're having fun!
  • skeeTX Jan 19 @ 9:51 PM EST
    Thinking how so often searches are done, why aren't candidates who know the place wanting the job, esp admin? #isedchat
    In reply to @CarneySandoe
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  • skeeTX Jan 19 @ 9:53 PM EST
    New vision does not necessarily have to come from the exterior. Given the opportunity, leaders can emerge from within #isedchat
  • Learn21Tech Jan 19 @ 9:53 PM EST
    Don't be shy about giving praise and recognizing people! #blessedwiththebest #isedchat
  • Learn21Tech Jan 19 @ 9:55 PM EST
    Challenge #indyschools to be more inclusive in hiring-do what it takes to make it happen + recruit talent. We're offering housing. #isedchat
  • CarneySandoe Jan 19 @ 9:55 PM EST
    hard to generalize, people want different things for diff reasons. But the best resources are often right in front of us. #isedchat
    In reply to @skeeTX
  • skeeTX Jan 19 @ 9:56 PM EST
    and there has to be a willingness to step up when chance arrives #isedchat
    In reply to @CarneySandoe
  • skeeTX Jan 19 @ 9:56 PM EST
    New Ts need assistance given student debt! #isedchat
    In reply to @Learn21Tech
  • Learn21Tech Jan 19 @ 9:58 PM EST
    exactly - paying new Ts 30k is not acceptable. #isedchat
    In reply to @skeeTX
  • TyeJCampbell Jan 19 @ 9:58 PM EST
    Especially when they are good and you want them to stay awhile #Isedchat
    In reply to @Learn21Tech, @skeeTX
  • TyeJCampbell Jan 19 @ 9:58 PM EST
    Make the benefits evident and worthwhile #Isedchat
    In reply to @Learn21Tech, @skeeTX
  • Learn21Tech Jan 19 @ 9:59 PM EST
    retention is so key.. happy teachers and admin matter. HoS also need Board support #isedchat
    In reply to @TyeJCampbell, @skeeTX
  • CarneySandoe Jan 19 @ 9:59 PM EST
    great points all! #isedchat
    In reply to @TyeJCampbell, @Learn21Tech, @skeeTX
  • theatlis Jan 19 @ 9:59 PM EST
    Helping teachers set goals is effective admin. @TeacherJenCarey writes about that https://t.co/nzvXhHiqb4 #isedchat
    In reply to @CarneySandoe, @skeeTX, @TeacherJenCarey