#425chat Archive

This is a chat for football coaches to discuss the 4-2-5 defense on Thursday at 8PM CT

Thursday February 7, 2019
9:00 PM EST

  • CoachKelleyCHHS Feb 7 @ 9:08 PM EST
    Welcome to #425chat! Start by introducing yourself and we will get started! Don’t forget this chat is brought to you by @MAXONEapp
  • CoachAMoss Feb 7 @ 9:09 PM EST
    Aron Moss Analyst/Film Guru/Whiteboard lover Elkmont HS Elkmont AL #425chat
  • CoachKelleyCHHS Feb 7 @ 9:09 PM EST
    Introduce yourself with name, school, title, city and state #425chat
  • CoachKelleyCHHS Feb 7 @ 9:11 PM EST
    Tonight we will actually have a mixed bag because the poll was so close! We will have two questions each about stopping the run, defending dynamic QBs, and weekly schedule! #425chat
  • ESBigUglies Feb 7 @ 9:11 PM EST
    Tyson Gullicksrud Eleva-Strum HS WI #425chat
  • Marshall_Cuomo Feb 7 @ 9:12 PM EST
    Marshall Cuomo Warren Hills Regional HS Defensive Assistant and LBs Washington,NJ #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • CoachReid30 Feb 7 @ 9:12 PM EST
    Cody Reid Wide receivers/ cornerbacks coach Oakdale Middle School, Rogers, AR #425chat
  • CoachKelleyCHHS Feb 7 @ 9:13 PM EST
    Again, we are different from every other chat. I will post in Q1/A1 format, BUT you need to respond on the thread/original tweet so coaches can follow and still use A followed by the number of the question! #425chat
  • coachrugs Feb 7 @ 9:13 PM EST
    Alex Rouggly, HC/DC, Jefferson R-7, Festus, Missouri. #425chat
  • CoachJayWilson Feb 7 @ 9:13 PM EST
    Jay Wilson DBs Coach & STC Fort Scott CC #TheSKEEZ #425chat
  • Hayden108John Feb 7 @ 9:13 PM EST
    John Hayden Saint Teresa. DC. Decatur, IL #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • CoachKelleyCHHS Feb 7 @ 9:14 PM EST
    Also, I will post ALL 6 questions at the same time so coaches won’t be restricted and can answer freely and carry discussions in certain topics that they CHOOSE #425chat
  • CoachSlade_Cal Feb 7 @ 9:14 PM EST
    Slade Calhoun DC/ Linebackers Munford High School Munford, TN #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • CoachKelleyCHHS Feb 7 @ 9:14 PM EST
    Lastly before we start, go follow the BEST coaching APP made! Or if you like spending more time on tedious spreadsheet work, don’t. @MAXONEapp #425chat
  • CoachCCase Feb 7 @ 9:15 PM EST
    Cody Case LB coach and STC Riverside Military Academy Gainesville, GA #425chat
  • CoachKelleyCHHS Feb 7 @ 9:15 PM EST
    The first two question will be about weekly schedule. The third and fourth questions will be about stopping the run. The fifth and sixth questions will be about defending dynamic QBs #425chat
  • CoachSlade_Cal Feb 7 @ 9:16 PM EST
    Slade Calhoun Munford High School DC/Linebackers Munford, TN #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • CoachKelleyCHHS Feb 7 @ 9:16 PM EST
    Q1: What sets your defensive practice apart from the average? What makes you a better defense? #425chat
  • CoachKelleyCHHS Feb 7 @ 9:16 PM EST
    #425chat
    In reply to @Coach_JGill, @MAXONEapp
  • Skillutt28 Feb 7 @ 9:17 PM EST
    Jeff Lutt DC & GBLB Coach Great Bend HS, KS #425chat
  • CoachKelleyCHHS Feb 7 @ 9:17 PM EST
    Q2: How much time do you spend in individual per week? How much time in group? How much time in team? And what’s your reasoning behind it? #425chat
  • CoachKelleyCHHS Feb 7 @ 9:18 PM EST
    Q3: What defense do you personally run and why do you feel it gives you an advantage to stop the run? #425chat
  • CoachAMoss Feb 7 @ 9:18 PM EST
    A1: Fast paced, lots of reps, & intensity. Coaches can't set the tone. Players have to. #425chat
    • CoachKelleyCHHS Feb 7 @ 9:16 PM EST
      Q1: What sets your defensive practice apart from the average? What makes you a better defense? #425chat
  • CoachJonesUHS Feb 7 @ 9:19 PM EST
    A1.) Pre Practice I get with my secondary and go over formation recognition. After warm ups, Team Formation Rec. spend over an hour a week in formation Rec. We win the play when we know what’s up pre snap. #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • CoachKelleyCHHS Feb 7 @ 9:19 PM EST
    Q4: How do you teach your athletes to stop the run? Do you spill or force? What are your run fits and why do you believe that it is the best way to stop the run? #425chat
  • Coach_JGill Feb 7 @ 9:20 PM EST
    A1: The pre-practice preparation from our defensive coaches, the in-practice tempo from everyone in our program which creates a lot of reps for a lot of guys and leads to increased player development. Our O coaches training scouts to copy opponent O. #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • CoachKelleyCHHS Feb 7 @ 9:21 PM EST
    Q5: Situation: you are playing a dynamic QB in a spread offense. Can run and throw. How do you prepare from someone as talented throwing and running the football? #425chat
  • CoachAMoss Feb 7 @ 9:22 PM EST
    40 min/ week in Indy. 40 min in group for 7-7 & form. rec. 180 min/ week in team. We make adjustments in our team segments. #425chat
    • CoachKelleyCHHS Feb 7 @ 9:17 PM EST
      Q2: How much time do you spend in individual per week? How much time in group? How much time in team? And what’s your reasoning behind it? #425chat
  • USAFootballMT Feb 7 @ 9:22 PM EST
    A1) individual player development plans. Pre-practice is for personal prescription drill completion. 2-5 drill 4-5 reps based on their weakness. #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • CoachKelleyCHHS Feb 7 @ 9:22 PM EST
    Q6: What is your answer to heavy QB run teams? (These typically give a numbers advantage to the offense) also, how do you defend the QB when they drop back to pass and a huge scrambler tendency? #425chat
  • CoachKelleyCHHS Feb 7 @ 9:23 PM EST
    Also don’t forget to use the hashtag #425chat! Helps keep everything straight in the twitterverse
  • CoachAMoss Feb 7 @ 9:24 PM EST
    5-2-4. Gives us the opportunity to slant our line and make plays with our LB's sideline to sideline. #425chat
    • CoachKelleyCHHS Feb 7 @ 9:18 PM EST
      Q3: What defense do you personally run and why do you feel it gives you an advantage to stop the run? #425chat
  • CoachSlade_Cal Feb 7 @ 9:24 PM EST
    A1: I try to have everyone doing something. If I have enough kids I will go with 2 scout teams. We try to go uptempo and coach off the film. I try my best to stay on the clock and change drills fast .Trying to understand our leverage and the other team makes us better? #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • CoachCCase Feb 7 @ 9:24 PM EST
    A2: About 20 for indy, 30 for group, and 40 for team total each week. Our military boarding school schedule only allows us an hour and forty-five minutes of practice per day. We MUST be efficient to be successful. #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • CoachAMoss Feb 7 @ 9:25 PM EST
    Force team. Make the runner go to where more guys are. We play Ends on edge to take away lockout blockers better than a LB could #425chat
    • CoachKelleyCHHS Feb 7 @ 9:19 PM EST
      Q4: How do you teach your athletes to stop the run? Do you spill or force? What are your run fits and why do you believe that it is the best way to stop the run? #425chat
  • Coach_JGill Feb 7 @ 9:25 PM EST
    A2: Depends on plan/scheme for the week. Generally we spend roughly 40% Team, 40% Group, 20% Indy. Indy is usually new install/position specific, group is usually specific opponent schemes, team is mixture of autos, new install, checks, and situational work. #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • CoachAMoss Feb 7 @ 9:26 PM EST
    Would make him give it all night on read plays. Disguise/mix coverages and make him do post snap reads for our secondary. Test his mental ability. #425chat
    • CoachKelleyCHHS Feb 7 @ 9:21 PM EST
      Q5: Situation: you are playing a dynamic QB in a spread offense. Can run and throw. How do you prepare from someone as talented throwing and running the football? #425chat
  • CoachGusSmith1 Feb 7 @ 9:26 PM EST
    A5: Play press cover 1 so he has to make the perfect throw, play a shooter nose over the center so he always has pressure in is face, and mix in the occasional smoke to make him scramble vertical (not something most HS QB’s are willing to do IME) #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • CoachAMoss Feb 7 @ 9:27 PM EST
    Try to outnumber them on both sides by dividing field in half. Vs 1 RB we will run a bracket look. RB goes right the LB to his side goes with & other plays a spy tech. Was effective for us. #425chat
    • CoachKelleyCHHS Feb 7 @ 9:22 PM EST
      Q6: What is your answer to heavy QB run teams? (These typically give a numbers advantage to the offense) also, how do you defend the QB when they drop back to pass and a huge scrambler tendency? #425chat
  • USAFootballMT Feb 7 @ 9:28 PM EST
    First thing to know, scramble to run or scramble to throw? What is bigger thrrst? Take that away first. #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • Hayden108John Feb 7 @ 9:28 PM EST
    A3. 4-2-5. Feel it's sound against run & ability to cover field with spread off. Thru coverages it allows us to keep our FS as run support. If a team is hurting us we can figure out & fix problems quickly. Gap sound and gives us 6-7 in the box. We work hard on run keys #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • CoachJayWilson Feb 7 @ 9:29 PM EST
    A1: We run real fast and aren't afraid to make mistakes. We focus on winning and not pride. Every second is directed and will show up on Saturday. Each Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday look the same every week #425chat
  • CoachCCase Feb 7 @ 9:29 PM EST
    A3: We base in 4-2-5, but have 3-2-6 Dime and a 4-4 option killer as adjustments. In base we always have 6 in the box to force a numbers advantage against the run. If teams are going to count numbers to determine run/pass, we'll force you to beat us in the air. #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • Coach_JGill Feb 7 @ 9:29 PM EST
    A3: Base out of 4-2-5 scheme with a nickel safety. Will add/remove box players by call to stop the run as needed. We run multiple 4/3 man fronts w/o changing personnel & keep coverage principals the same. We like “multiple but simple.” #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • BarryHoover Feb 7 @ 9:30 PM EST
    I run the "Put as many guys in the box as possible" Defense. Seriously, stopping the run is job #1 and I will change up my coverage and who are my run-first defenders to help me do this. The great thing about the 4-2-5 is its flexibility to do that from a 1 or 2 hi look #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • Marshall_Cuomo Feb 7 @ 9:31 PM EST
    A1: Tackling every day both Indy and Combo periods. Create competition and provide immediate feedback. Indy is used to review technique, approach, and leverage. I/S run and Skel we work accelerate and wrap, Team we try to get at least “5 of Live”! #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • terrance_gant Feb 7 @ 9:31 PM EST
    A3: I’m a 3-4 guy we have a hybrid kid 6’2 215 that we can walk down in a 5 technique to give us a 4-2-5 look. It gives us a numbers advantage because you never know who’s actually in the run fit/box count. #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • Coach_JGill Feb 7 @ 9:32 PM EST
    A4: Spill or Box is based on the call/coverage. Don’t want to spill to nobody. We mix 1-Gap/2-Gap fronts, move DL, and change coverage to fit the run. We always want a force, alley, and CBR defender at all times. #425Chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • brandonvilla55 Feb 7 @ 9:33 PM EST
    Brandon Villarreal, DC for @MNHS_Football #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS, @MAXONEapp, @MNHS_Football
  • CoachDiG Feb 7 @ 9:33 PM EST
    A1: Big difference is when we service he put all coaches on offense to make sure the look is real good. Coach off the film as much as possible #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • CoachCCase Feb 7 @ 9:33 PM EST
    A5: As long as the ends contain and the tackles maintain gap integrity, the QB has no where to go most of the time. And if that's not working, we have a spy call. #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • CoachSlade_Cal Feb 7 @ 9:34 PM EST
    A3- Have been a 425 guy for awhile because I could divorce the front from the secondary. By playing quarters behind this I could always get a +1 advantage in the run. Going odd this year due 2 lack of DL. Same rules in effect. Stop the best, defend the rest. #425Chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • CoachDiG Feb 7 @ 9:34 PM EST
    A2: daily we are a 10-15-15 for inseason. Keep practice plan same everyday so players know where to be and move fast. #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • brandonvilla55 Feb 7 @ 9:34 PM EST
    A1) We focus on situations from day one. Not just certain calls we want, but based off of what the offense shows for base and 3 downs. #425chat
    • CoachKelleyCHHS Feb 7 @ 9:16 PM EST
      Q1: What sets your defensive practice apart from the average? What makes you a better defense? #425chat
  • CoachJayWilson Feb 7 @ 9:35 PM EST
    A3: I think you have to be multiple to be successful. We base out of 4-2-5 but have multiple personnels and packages subjective to personnel, tendency, formation, etc. We put our guys in position to make plays through our gameplan #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • Coach_JGill Feb 7 @ 9:35 PM EST
    A5: What does the O do best and attack that first. Try to force them into a 1 dimensional game. Must know scramble rules, rush lanes, & coverage concepts. Find out what QB struggles with (middle pressure, scrambling opposite arm side, etc.) & create those situations. #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • Hayden108John Feb 7 @ 9:35 PM EST
    A2. Indy 20-30 min. 30-40 in group. Team 20-25 min. Try to cover as much individual position info in indy. Work inside run - perimeter run/Pass skelly & then a 2 scout team team period. Gives us the best ability to to teach game plan by part then whole. #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • brandonvilla55 Feb 7 @ 9:35 PM EST
    A2) Naturally our DL gets more than the other positions, but a lot of work is done in pods or full defense for the majority of practice. Best for working with the guys they need to trust every down. #425chat
    • CoachKelleyCHHS Feb 7 @ 9:17 PM EST
      Q2: How much time do you spend in individual per week? How much time in group? How much time in team? And what’s your reasoning behind it? #425chat
  • CoachDiG Feb 7 @ 9:35 PM EST
    A3: have evolved into 3 man okie front defense. Gives us best chance to dictate the 4th rusher #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • terrance_gant Feb 7 @ 9:37 PM EST
    A4: Outside the box players box and interior guys spill. Not a big fan of 2 gapping b/c never had a dominant enough DL to ever do it. #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • brandonvilla55 Feb 7 @ 9:38 PM EST
    A3) We dona good job of understanding the offense’s objective and can adapt accordingly...no particular front, just good ole’ football. 😉 #425chat
    • CoachKelleyCHHS Feb 7 @ 9:18 PM EST
      Q3: What defense do you personally run and why do you feel it gives you an advantage to stop the run? #425chat
  • CoachJayWilson Feb 7 @ 9:38 PM EST
    A4: Spill it. If you're running side to side you're not running towards the end zone. Let our fast guys in the back come HUNT #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • Marshall_Cuomo Feb 7 @ 9:38 PM EST
    A2: 10-15 for Indy, position coach’s responsibility to ID the areas needed to improve, Group is 20-25 quality reps for our guys read your keys, execute your assignment, and know your leverage, 30-45 of team based on day. Always moving and always providing feedback #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • CoachSlade_Cal Feb 7 @ 9:38 PM EST
    A4- spill the ball to the force players We spill n force both We track the near hip of the ball carrier.If the near hip moves away I am an inside, out tackler.If Im aligned outside the near hip I am a force player and os, in player.Every player must own their leverage.#425Chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • brandonvilla55 Feb 7 @ 9:39 PM EST
    A4) All predicated by what the offense likes to do. If they’re a wife zone team, the fits are different than a counter team. Week by week we teach the necessary techniques needed for each team. #425chat
    • CoachKelleyCHHS Feb 7 @ 9:19 PM EST
      Q4: How do you teach your athletes to stop the run? Do you spill or force? What are your run fits and why do you believe that it is the best way to stop the run? #425chat
  • CoachDiG Feb 7 @ 9:39 PM EST
    A4: 4th rusher spills edge player box linebackers play C over C #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • BarryHoover Feb 7 @ 9:39 PM EST
    This is from the playbook. Also, read this book to learn more about defensive fundamentals. @JerryGordonFB recommended it to me a long time ago and it is one of the best books ever written about defensive football. #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS, @JerryGordonFB
  • terrance_gant Feb 7 @ 9:39 PM EST
    A5: If a zone read team we will give him a give read and get the ball out of his hands. We also run a Bear front that hopefully would limit his running. I’d preach we have to get hits on him and wear him down. #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • brandonvilla55 Feb 7 @ 9:40 PM EST
    A5) Ultimately, you have to take away his ability to predict what you’re going to do...take away his “option” We study tendencies and pre snap keys for indicators. #425chat
    • CoachKelleyCHHS Feb 7 @ 9:21 PM EST
      Q5: Situation: you are playing a dynamic QB in a spread offense. Can run and throw. How do you prepare from someone as talented throwing and running the football? #425chat
  • brandonvilla55 Feb 7 @ 9:40 PM EST
    A6) *takes 5th amendment* #425chat
    • CoachKelleyCHHS Feb 7 @ 9:22 PM EST
      Q6: What is your answer to heavy QB run teams? (These typically give a numbers advantage to the offense) also, how do you defend the QB when they drop back to pass and a huge scrambler tendency? #425chat
  • CoachDiG Feb 7 @ 9:41 PM EST
    A5: Determine who you want to have ball, Dictate who gets the ball, Dominate the day #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • Coach_JGill Feb 7 @ 9:41 PM EST
    A6: QB Run: “Backs + 1.” 10P: 2 Back rules, 20P: 3 Back Rules, etc. Treat him as another running back. QB Scramble: Scramble rules. Force QB away from arm side. No rush deeper than QB. Rush lane discipline. No jump on pump fakes. Sound tackling > “Highlight” tackles. #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • CoachSlade_Cal Feb 7 @ 9:41 PM EST
    A5- Hit him in the face. No one is above pressure! Stunt, blitz, change up the rush lanes. Manny Diaz told me this. #425Chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • CoachDiG Feb 7 @ 9:41 PM EST
    A6: Keep him in the pocket and collapse it #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • coachjsam Feb 7 @ 9:42 PM EST
    A1: we stress the fundamentals of football everyday #425chat
  • CoachJayWilson Feb 7 @ 9:44 PM EST
    A5: Hit him as many times as possible, keep eyes on him, and make him be really good in the air #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • Hayden108John Feb 7 @ 9:44 PM EST
    A5. Work to take away what he does best. DE's have to contain. Being able to play man free is a big help. Gives another box player on run. Also mixing up coverage to give different looks. If zone read force back to carry the ball. Try & take away his best plays #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • CoachSlade_Cal Feb 7 @ 9:45 PM EST
    A6- I treat every team as a heavy qb run team. Are you not going to honor him and then lose on a qb keep?You have 11 to defend the offenses' 11.I like Gary Patterson's method of teaching everything in option principles. "Option defense is sound defense."-Greg Vandagriff #425Chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • CoachGusSmith1 Feb 7 @ 9:46 PM EST
    A3: not a scheme but a philosophy: Umbrella. All 8 gaps defended at all times. Spill, force, alley, coverage guys. They don’t change in any front/coverage, and offensive formations don’t change it. It’s consistent and allows our kids to play confident and fast #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • Marshall_Cuomo Feb 7 @ 9:48 PM EST
    A2: Our base is 5-2, and rock to 425 often. Goal is get the best 11 on the field and fit the front to our strengths. We have had a lot of success stopping run in the 5-2 and force teams to spread us out. Let the DBs worry about pass first and let front 6-7 eat. #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • CoachCason1 Feb 7 @ 9:50 PM EST
    #425Chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • Hayden108John Feb 7 @ 9:51 PM EST
    A6. Treat him like a RB. Will run some Bear & 2 Lock fronts to mix up blocking schemes & give us extra run support. Passing situations keep him in the box. Win 1st &2nd down so we can dictate passing situation instead of them. Also bring pressure & be physical on him #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • escardfb Feb 7 @ 9:53 PM EST
    @ESBigUglies @ESBigUglies awesome to see my offensive line coach being part of twitter discussion! Must be flexbone stuff... 4legit ball carriers. 2 best athletes running option, 5 linemen leading the way. #425chat #flexbonehschat
  • yak1373 Feb 7 @ 9:53 PM EST
    💯 #425chat
    In reply to @BarryHoover, @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • CoachCason1 Feb 7 @ 9:53 PM EST
    #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • ChefCoffey Feb 7 @ 9:53 PM EST
    3-3-5 and let the hybrids fly. Nose two gaps and we slant or pinch the defensive ends. Linebackers have gap and fill responsibility. Our hybrids make stopping the run fun. #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • CoachCason1 Feb 7 @ 9:55 PM EST
    A3: The one that has my guys doing what they are good at and masking their weaknesses. Disguise every Down. #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • Hayden108John Feb 7 @ 9:59 PM EST
    A4. We are gonna to attack our gaps with front four. Hands on & squeeze & wrong arm to spill. Work hard on run keys with all positions but ILB particularly. Have a gap but read open - close window to C gap. Our FS has to be a filler/ alley runner. Fills the box. #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • Skillutt28 Feb 7 @ 9:59 PM EST
    A2. Early on about 60 mins a week in Indy. Scale it back as season progresses. 40 min Group & 60 min Team. We platoon so get whole D on Tues & Weds. #425Chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS