#langchat Archive

#LangChat is dedicated to the discussion of topics associated with issues and trends in world language instruction and learning. Educators, administrators, learners, and aficionados of world languages are encouraged to participate and share their experiences and input on various topics such as new ways to teach vocabulary, using music in the language classroom, and making standards-based grading valid. This chat is also unique in that it brings together language educators worldwide and from different contexts (elementary, secondary, higher education, etc.) and languages.
Thursday January 26, 2017
8:00 PM EST
  • participatechat Jan 26 @ 8:00 PM EST
    Participate in the upcoming #langchat by sharing resources and collaborating at https://t.co/q9PdwKw6v4
  • MlleSulewski Jan 26 @ 8:00 PM EST
    Good evening everyone and welcome to #langchat! Tonight we’re talking standards based grading (SBG).
  • SraWienhold Jan 26 @ 8:00 PM EST
    #TGIT returns & #langchat 👍🏻👍🏻 #iLoveThursday ❤️
  • MlleSulewski Jan 26 @ 8:01 PM EST
    Shall we get to know each other? Tell us who you are, where you’re from and what you teach! #langchat
  • mmeshep Jan 26 @ 8:01 PM EST
    Bonsoir, Lisa from KCMO here. High school French teacher. #langchat
  • MlleSulewski Jan 26 @ 8:01 PM EST
    Megan (and Lucie the chiweenie) here. French 2-AP in Detroit, MI #langchat
  • clowningar Jan 26 @ 8:02 PM EST
    50 Language #MOOC here https://t.co/sKO6lriSKB #langchat
  • krisfauch Jan 26 @ 8:02 PM EST
    MS Spanish teacher from CT-also watching Grey's... #langchat
  • JessieOelke Jan 26 @ 8:02 PM EST
    Jessie from Southern MN. #deptofone teaching Spanish I-IV. #langchat
  • SrtaOlson Jan 26 @ 8:02 PM EST
    Melissa here! Student @UWLaCrosse in my first week of student teaching!! woo hoo! Spanish 2, 3, and 4! #langchat
    In reply to @UWLaCrosse
  • MlleSulewski Jan 26 @ 8:02 PM EST
    I need to catch up on Scandal!! Didn't finish last season...#langchat
  • jadelman75 Jan 26 @ 8:02 PM EST
    Julie, MS Spanish in the Chicago suburbs #langchat #deptofone
  • MlleSulewski Jan 26 @ 8:03 PM EST
    Welcome to #langchat (and teaching!)
    In reply to @SrtaOlson
  • doriecp Jan 26 @ 8:03 PM EST
    Hi #langchat. I'm Dorie, Spanish teacher for grades1-5 in Glastonbury CT. Finished bedtime stories in just enough time to join you tonight!
  • MlleSulewski Jan 26 @ 8:03 PM EST
    Aaaaaadorable! #langchat
    In reply to @doriecp
  • SenoraJansen Jan 26 @ 8:03 PM EST
    Hola! Tayler from Iowa teaching Spanish I-IV as a #deptof1 #langchat
  • dressurleben Jan 26 @ 8:04 PM EST
    I'm excited for 2night's topic bc my dept is using SB rubrics to grade our finals for the 1st time ever! #langchat
  • profe_robbins Jan 26 @ 8:04 PM EST
    Cathryn. Spanish 2,3, AP in Northern Va #langchat
  • SraWienhold Jan 26 @ 8:04 PM EST
    Allison, all levels of Spanish in Iowa. I am pumped to learn more about how you all use SBG #langchat
  • CatherineKU72 Jan 26 @ 8:04 PM EST
    #langchat French II-AP in the Pacific Northwest & World Language technology integration PD presenter. Need ideas? https://t.co/AfFOrv767k
  • GrowingFrench Jan 26 @ 8:04 PM EST
    Good evening #langchat from KY packing to go to a workshop this weekend in MN. So I might be distracted 🙃
  • SECottrell Jan 26 @ 8:04 PM EST
    Hi #langchat from KY!
  • MlleSulewski Jan 26 @ 8:04 PM EST
    Perfect timing! #langchat
    In reply to @dressurleben
  • SraPastorek Jan 26 @ 8:05 PM EST
    Jenna, Spanish 1 and 2, Spotsylvania VA - first time at #langchat :)
  • JessieOelke Jan 26 @ 8:05 PM EST
    You are coming to my backyard. What conference are you going to? #langchat
    In reply to @GrowingFrench
  • SrtaGlynn Jan 26 @ 8:05 PM EST
    Hola! Kelsey, Spanish 1 & 2, from Indy! #langchat
  • MlleSulewski Jan 26 @ 8:05 PM EST
    I'm looking forward to this topic too...I try to use SBG but its a hot topic in my bldg! #langchat
  • JessieOelke Jan 26 @ 8:05 PM EST
    WELCOME!! #langchat
    In reply to @SraPastorek
  • krisfauch Jan 26 @ 8:05 PM EST
    We switched to SBG as a school at the start of the 2015-2016 school year- had to redesign all our rubrics! #langchat
  • LearnWordsApp Jan 26 @ 8:05 PM EST
    Learn Words, we're a vocabulary app and love hearing teachers' perspectives on how to go about language learning. #langchat
  • MlleSulewski Jan 26 @ 8:06 PM EST
    Q1 coming up in just a minute! #langchat
  • ksipes129 Jan 26 @ 8:06 PM EST
    Hola! Kim from N. IN, Spanish 1 & Heritage, grades 7&8 #langchat
  • MlleSulewski Jan 26 @ 8:07 PM EST
    Q1 Q1 Q1 What is SBG and how does it apply to language proficiency? #langchat
  • dressurleben Jan 26 @ 8:07 PM EST
    Our building won't go SBG. (my old district did) But I continue to use SBG principles in my assessment practices. #langchat
    In reply to @MlleSulewski
  • MlleSulewski Jan 26 @ 8:07 PM EST
    Don't forget to include A1 in your answer! #langchat
  • MlleSulewski Jan 26 @ 8:07 PM EST
    A1 Now that I think about it I don't know if I can explain SBG by definition! #langchat
  • jadelman75 Jan 26 @ 8:07 PM EST
    A1: As usual, I struggle with the exact definition. #langchat How is SBG different than proficiency-based grading a la @teachforjune?
    In reply to @teachforjune
  • MlleSulewski Jan 26 @ 8:08 PM EST
    A1 I DO know that SBG helps me keep better track of my students' performance. #langchat
  • SenoraJansen Jan 26 @ 8:08 PM EST
    Same here! I like having the best of both worlds. I get to pick & choose what I like from each system. #langchat
    In reply to @dressurleben, @MlleSulewski
  • bethechangeOK7 Jan 26 @ 8:08 PM EST
    French 1-AP teacher in Oklahoma. 1st time joining with #langchat
  • doriecp Jan 26 @ 8:08 PM EST
    A1 giving students feedback on how to improve their language skills (increase proficiency) rather than an arbitrary points system #langchat
  • mmeshep Jan 26 @ 8:08 PM EST
    A1 I think our grades should be linked to proficiency, but is this SBG? #langchat
  • CatherineKU72 Jan 26 @ 8:08 PM EST
    Félicitations et bievenue chez nous! #langchat
    In reply to @bethechangeOK7
  • dressurleben Jan 26 @ 8:08 PM EST
    A1 SBG is using ACTFL prof levels as benchmarks for performance. Ss must consistently perform at target level to meet standard. #langchat
  • MlleSulewski Jan 26 @ 8:09 PM EST
    I think they're pretty similar in my mind but probably someone else knows better than I do! #langchat
    • jadelman75 Jan 26 @ 8:07 PM EST
      A1: As usual, I struggle with the exact definition. #langchat How is SBG different than proficiency-based grading a la @teachforjune?
      In reply to @teachforjune
  • bethechangeOK7 Jan 26 @ 8:09 PM EST
    #langchat Are WL standards Proficiency based?
  • SECottrell Jan 26 @ 8:09 PM EST
    This has been my question every time this has come up in #langchat. Standards-based, proficiency-based, proficiency standards #semantics
    • jadelman75 Jan 26 @ 8:07 PM EST
      A1: As usual, I struggle with the exact definition. #langchat How is SBG different than proficiency-based grading a la @teachforjune?
      In reply to @teachforjune
  • jadelman75 Jan 26 @ 8:09 PM EST
    Definitely wanting to hear the answers to this! #langchat
    • mmeshep Jan 26 @ 8:08 PM EST
      A1 I think our grades should be linked to proficiency, but is this SBG? #langchat
  • MlleSulewski Jan 26 @ 8:09 PM EST
    Might depend on the state! In MI ours are rooted in proficiency. #langchat
    In reply to @bethechangeOK7
  • SrtaOlson Jan 26 @ 8:09 PM EST
    Thank you for this wonderful definition as I have not the slightest clue as to what SBG is :-) Learner here! #langchat
    In reply to @dressurleben
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 26 @ 8:09 PM EST
    where my other #deptof1 tweeps at? #langchat
    In reply to @SenoraJansen
  • JessieOelke Jan 26 @ 8:10 PM EST
    So they are the same thing? #langchat
    In reply to @dressurleben
  • AssignmentHelpN Jan 26 @ 8:10 PM EST
    #globaledchat #iOSedChat #jerdchat #langchat A Quick Guide on How to Write a Book Review https://t.co/3BnLyV1BCF
  • LearnWordsApp Jan 26 @ 8:10 PM EST
    A1. The variation on this seems tremendoussss -- so many people doing it differently, some succeeding, some less so #langchat
  • SECottrell Jan 26 @ 8:10 PM EST
    A1 Yes, I think. The standards the grading is based on are the proficiency standards. #langchat
    In reply to @mmeshep
  • doriecp Jan 26 @ 8:10 PM EST
    The Communication goal area is proficiency based, but there are 4 other goal areas that address content, not proficiency. #langchat
    In reply to @bethechangeOK7
  • clowningar Jan 26 @ 8:10 PM EST
    A1 we do mystery skype & G+ Hangouts for engagement https://t.co/I0N4hWTlE7 #globaledchat #langchat
  • jadelman75 Jan 26 @ 8:10 PM EST
    #DeptOf1 represent! #langchat #1istheloneliestnumber
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 26 @ 8:11 PM EST
    if standards are based on communication modes, I don't see why not #langchat
    In reply to @mmeshep
  • SraWienhold Jan 26 @ 8:11 PM EST
    #deptof1 #langchat represent
    In reply to @SraSpanglish, @SenoraJansen
  • krisfauch Jan 26 @ 8:11 PM EST
    A1- SBG is great bc it clearly identifies strengths and weaknesses of Ss and isn't just a grade that's a number that says nothing #langchat
  • jadelman75 Jan 26 @ 8:11 PM EST
    A1: I think of SBG better in math ~ where specific, discrete skills can be measured/ #langchat
  • MlleSulewski Jan 26 @ 8:11 PM EST
    I think I tend to refer to the ACTFL proficiency guidelines as my "standard" for student performance anyway #langchat
  • HandsOnilm Jan 26 @ 8:11 PM EST
    Some #Langchat folks might end up here by mistake & get seriously confused
    • mjmaune Jan 26 @ 8:01 PM EST
      #Lingchat is starting. Tonight we're discussing the #Linguistics of Swearing. We'll tweet questions sequentially after brief intro.
  • joyeuse212 Jan 26 @ 8:11 PM EST
    Bonsoir ! Jennifer from St. Louis. French teacher #langchat
  • MaCristinaRV Jan 26 @ 8:12 PM EST
    ¡Hola, #langchat! Cristina from Miami. Spanish PreK-5th. Joining just in time. Seeking orientation on SBG:)
  • LearnWordsApp Jan 26 @ 8:12 PM EST
    SBG is definitely easier in other disciplines, especially STEM. Clearer rubrics, progress, etc. #langchat
    • jadelman75 Jan 26 @ 8:11 PM EST
      A1: I think of SBG better in math ~ where specific, discrete skills can be measured/ #langchat
  • MlleSulewski Jan 26 @ 8:12 PM EST
    If you're just joining us, we are on Q1! #langchat
  • jadelman75 Jan 26 @ 8:12 PM EST
    That makes sense, although could argue that intercultural understanding can be measured in proficiency #langchat
    In reply to @doriecp, @bethechangeOK7
  • mmeshep Jan 26 @ 8:12 PM EST
    This is my concern. I've heard coworkers say that meeting a standard is yes/no. This doesn't work for me. #langchat
    In reply to @jadelman75
  • DialMforMara Jan 26 @ 8:12 PM EST
    is #Langchat chatting tonight? What about? @HandsOnilm #lingchat
    In reply to @HandsOnilm
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 26 @ 8:12 PM EST
    #langchat A1 SBG means establishing expectations and reporting/giving credit when students meet them
  • dressurleben Jan 26 @ 8:13 PM EST
    We paired down the 5Cs for reporting progress to parents. We call them "reportable standards" We only have rubrics for 3 modes #langchat
  • MlleSulewski Jan 26 @ 8:13 PM EST
    So, inherently performance-based, then, wouldn't you say? #langchat
    In reply to @SraSpanglish
  • MlleSulewski Jan 26 @ 8:13 PM EST
    A1 Ok so I guess my definition of SBG (right or not) is grading based on performance, not compliance. #langchat
  • krisfauch Jan 26 @ 8:14 PM EST
    A1 At our school, we use the modes of communication as our "standards". Working well so far #langchat
  • bethechangeOK7 Jan 26 @ 8:14 PM EST
    #langchat A1 anyone evaluated w/marzano? How do you tie together WL standards, marzano rubrics and learning scales, grade books?
  • SarahMckay92 Jan 26 @ 8:14 PM EST
    Sarah from Illinois. Finished week 3 of student teaching today, using SBG! #LangChat
  • doriecp Jan 26 @ 8:14 PM EST
    Agreed, though IC is not (yet) in our national standards - though some states have adopted it. #langchat
    In reply to @jadelman75, @bethechangeOK7
  • jadelman75 Jan 26 @ 8:14 PM EST
    Hearing the same from admin's - Met or Not Met #langchat
    In reply to @mmeshep
  • JessieOelke Jan 26 @ 8:14 PM EST
    YES!! So much of grading today measures compliance as opposed to performance. And not just in WL. #langchat
    • MlleSulewski Jan 26 @ 8:13 PM EST
      A1 Ok so I guess my definition of SBG (right or not) is grading based on performance, not compliance. #langchat
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 26 @ 8:15 PM EST
    I absolutely would. It becomes standards-based when we focus on performances that hit targets we set #langchat
    In reply to @MlleSulewski
  • massignmenthelp Jan 26 @ 8:15 PM EST
    #globaledchat #iOSedChat #jerdchat #langchat #learnbetter #lidchat 10 Ways to read textbooks effectively https://t.co/0iOcFyoUbb
  • dressurleben Jan 26 @ 8:15 PM EST
    We don't ignore the 5C's. We only report on the 3 comm modes. WHAT Ss say w/ their language meets standard of other 4's. #langchat
  • doriecp Jan 26 @ 8:15 PM EST
    I would LOVE to see what this looks like! Do you have a blank copy you could share? #langchat
    In reply to @dressurleben
  • nathanlutz Jan 26 @ 8:15 PM EST
    Hello #langchat! Elem French teacher from NJ - recovering from second grade field trip to @AMNH today #stem #earlylang
  • madamednmichael Jan 26 @ 8:15 PM EST
    #langchat OK, late to the party. Dawn Michael, RCSD, views my own, Prof de français
  • krisfauch Jan 26 @ 8:15 PM EST
    yes! Ss strictly held to rubrics showing below standard, developing, proficient, and outstanding 1-4 #langchat
    In reply to @MlleSulewski
  • SECottrell Jan 26 @ 8:15 PM EST
    intercultural competency is coming, right? @actfl #langchat
    In reply to @doriecp, @jadelman75, @bethechangeOK7, @actfl
  • jadelman75 Jan 26 @ 8:16 PM EST
    I'm on board with that, although still hung up on the idea of a "standard" #langchat
    In reply to @MlleSulewski
  • MlleSulewski Jan 26 @ 8:16 PM EST
    Q2 coming up shortly! #langchat
  • madamednmichael Jan 26 @ 8:16 PM EST
    #langchat A1 have been toying with idea of Linguafolio I Cans for SBG
  • SraWilliams3 Jan 26 @ 8:16 PM EST
    Amanda from KS. Joining late! Hola! #langchat
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 26 @ 8:16 PM EST
    most SBG I know of is 1-4: not met, approaching, meet, exceed #langchat
    In reply to @jadelman75, @mmeshep
  • MlleSulewski Jan 26 @ 8:16 PM EST
    Well I think that's just the clinical title...for us, maybe proficiency-based grading? performance-based? #langchat
    In reply to @jadelman75
  • MlleSulewski Jan 26 @ 8:17 PM EST
    Q2 Q2 Q2 How do you choose which standards to measure and what scale do you use? #langchat
  • mmeshep Jan 26 @ 8:17 PM EST
    A1 Do we create standards that address Can-Do's/different topics, or do we have only an unchanging prof. goal standard for year? #langchat
  • JessieOelke Jan 26 @ 8:17 PM EST
    Do these follow the ACTFL rubrics? #langchat
    In reply to @doriecp, @dressurleben
  • SlocumBeth Jan 26 @ 8:17 PM EST
    Beth from NY French & Spanish #langchat
  • dressurleben Jan 26 @ 8:17 PM EST
    SBG does not allow Ts to grade Ss based on their behaviors (late, participation, disorganization, etc) Ts must grade S skills #langchat
  • jadelman75 Jan 26 @ 8:17 PM EST
    Always looking for good model rubrics! #langchat
    In reply to @doriecp, @dressurleben
  • madamednmichael Jan 26 @ 8:17 PM EST
    #langchat A1 including Intercultural I Cans as well for that
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 26 @ 8:17 PM EST
    I would love to hear more about how you report the other 4 Cs! #langchat
    In reply to @dressurleben
  • SchwabSpanish Jan 26 @ 8:17 PM EST
    Today's @teawithbvp was excellent! Listen to especially last part of show about "input flooding" https://t.co/V1w2dlaMag #langchat
    In reply to @teawithbvp
  • SECottrell Jan 26 @ 8:17 PM EST
    we're pretty close, right? approaching, meeting, exceeding in many rubrics I see #langchat
    In reply to @SraSpanglish, @jadelman75, @mmeshep
  • MlleSulewski Jan 26 @ 8:18 PM EST
    A2 I have a different rubric for every mode of communication; my scale is based on proficiency guidelines/can-do statements. #langchat
  • doriecp Jan 26 @ 8:18 PM EST
    Ours are "meeting expectations", "approaching" and "beginning" #langchat
    In reply to @SraSpanglish, @jadelman75, @mmeshep
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 26 @ 8:18 PM EST
    precisely. I'm trying to pare back to not met, almost, and met myself #langchat
    In reply to @SECottrell, @jadelman75, @mmeshep
  • jadelman75 Jan 26 @ 8:18 PM EST
    Linguafolio looks like a good foundation, but is #overwhelming to me! #langchat
    In reply to @madamednmichael
  • SraWilliams3 Jan 26 @ 8:18 PM EST
    A2. I'm struggling with this. Big. Time. #langchat
  • madamednmichael Jan 26 @ 8:18 PM EST
    #langchat A2 LINGUAFOLIO I CANS! for each level, edit within reason for district needs/interest
  • SECottrell Jan 26 @ 8:18 PM EST
    A2 I like "try again" instead of "not met" #langchat
  • nathanlutz Jan 26 @ 8:18 PM EST
    #langchat A1: In my elem school, we have indicators & rate students according to their progress; more indicators added as students move up
  • MlleSulewski Jan 26 @ 8:19 PM EST
    A2 Mine goes Exceeds-Meets-Approaches-Below-Far Below but my choice of language could be nicer probably :D #langchat
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 26 @ 8:19 PM EST
    girl, me too! I tried it for a few years, tweaking along the way--just too specific to be useful! #langchat
    In reply to @jadelman75, @madamednmichael
  • nathanlutz Jan 26 @ 8:19 PM EST
    can you pare it down and start simple? #langchat
    In reply to @jadelman75, @madamednmichael
  • jadelman75 Jan 26 @ 8:19 PM EST
    Excellent question. When breaking down into topics, seems to lose overall proficiency focus #langchat
    • mmeshep Jan 26 @ 8:17 PM EST
      A1 Do we create standards that address Can-Do's/different topics, or do we have only an unchanging prof. goal standard for year? #langchat
  • SECottrell Jan 26 @ 8:19 PM EST
    A2 I also like "insufficient evidence" - maybe you can do it, but you didn't show me #langchat
  • dressurleben Jan 26 @ 8:19 PM EST
    We do not report on 3 of the C's. We include Culture in our content. The 3P's are on my rubric. #langchat
    In reply to @SraSpanglish
  • MlleSulewski Jan 26 @ 8:19 PM EST
    A2 I've seen on some of @mmeshep's rubrics a simple "See madame for a retake" that I think conveys the message clearly. #langchat
    In reply to @mmeshep
  • doriecp Jan 26 @ 8:20 PM EST
    We have a completely separate section of our report card for communicating this to parents. So important to avoid grading behavior #langchat
    • dressurleben Jan 26 @ 8:17 PM EST
      SBG does not allow Ts to grade Ss based on their behaviors (late, participation, disorganization, etc) Ts must grade S skills #langchat
  • SraWilliams3 Jan 26 @ 8:20 PM EST
    A2: I have a a rubric I received at a workshop last fall. I've started using it bc I ❤ the wording. Never assessed culture before #langchat
  • nathanlutz Jan 26 @ 8:20 PM EST
    I think a present progressive form would be more encouraging: "keep trying" ? "try again" seems too fixed - like it's a one-off #langchat
    In reply to @SECottrell
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 26 @ 8:20 PM EST
    #langchat A2 I want to toe the line and say modes, but who gets the modes but us? I do read/write/speak/listen bc that's what normal ppl get
  • mmeshep Jan 26 @ 8:21 PM EST
    I think we can create assmts (IPAs) on different topics and assess for prof. but do we create different standards? #langchat
    In reply to @jadelman75
  • SECottrell Jan 26 @ 8:21 PM EST
    I like it! My "try again" actually has a blank for a date, S has to schedule an actual re-do #langchat
    In reply to @nathanlutz
  • nathanlutz Jan 26 @ 8:21 PM EST
    no "exceeding?" #langchat
    In reply to @doriecp, @SraSpanglish, @jadelman75, @mmeshep
  • doriecp Jan 26 @ 8:21 PM EST
    Ooo, I LOVE "insufficient evidence"! I'm going to request we add that to our report cards #langchat
    In reply to @SECottrell
  • MrM0REHEAD Jan 26 @ 8:21 PM EST
    Is output necessary for acquisition? If so, why? @teawithbvp @skrashen #langchat
    In reply to @teawithbvp, @skrashen
  • SrtaGlynn Jan 26 @ 8:22 PM EST
    A2: We report on reading, writing, listening, speaking bc that's what is most clear to studs and parents. #langchat
  • krisfauch Jan 26 @ 8:22 PM EST
    yes, which is frustrating bc students have less motivation to engage in independent learning behaviors we've found #langchat
    In reply to @dressurleben
  • jadelman75 Jan 26 @ 8:22 PM EST
    We do, too. Effort grades to address preparation and participation. #langchat
    • doriecp Jan 26 @ 8:20 PM EST
      We have a completely separate section of our report card for communicating this to parents. So important to avoid grading behavior #langchat
      • dressurleben Jan 26 @ 8:17 PM EST
        SBG does not allow Ts to grade Ss based on their behaviors (late, participation, disorganization, etc) Ts must grade S skills #langchat
  • MlleSulewski Jan 26 @ 8:22 PM EST
    Yes; just what I saw on rubrics when I made the switch to SBG and haven't changed the wording yet. #langchat
    In reply to @nathanlutz
  • mmeshep Jan 26 @ 8:22 PM EST
    And each of these skills are so diff. Ss aren't consistent across skills, hate to lump them together for grades. #langchat
    In reply to @SraSpanglish
  • JessieOelke Jan 26 @ 8:22 PM EST
    Would you be willing to share w/me too? #milgracias #langchat
    In reply to @SraWilliams3, @SraSpanglish
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 26 @ 8:23 PM EST
    since we're required to give 6 "daily work" grades per grading period for 20% of grade, that's my turn-in category #langchat
    In reply to @doriecp
  • dressurleben Jan 26 @ 8:23 PM EST
    We have a content section on our rubrics that requires students to identify the 3 P's. #langchat
    In reply to @SraWilliams3
  • MlleSulewski Jan 26 @ 8:23 PM EST
    Thankfully VERY few of my students ever hit the "far below" category. Usually only if very incomplete #langchat
    In reply to @nathanlutz
  • jadelman75 Jan 26 @ 8:23 PM EST
    This is my division, too. I like the 4 communication skills ~ clearer for parents, students, all. #langchat
    • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 26 @ 8:20 PM EST
      #langchat A2 I want to toe the line and say modes, but who gets the modes but us? I do read/write/speak/listen bc that's what normal ppl get
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 26 @ 8:23 PM EST
    LOVE this. #langchat
    • MlleSulewski Jan 26 @ 8:19 PM EST
      A2 I've seen on some of @mmeshep's rubrics a simple "See madame for a retake" that I think conveys the message clearly. #langchat
      In reply to @mmeshep
  • doriecp Jan 26 @ 8:23 PM EST
    No "exceeding". The teachers fought for it, but were shot down by administration. So we go rogue and write it in the comments😆 #langchat
    In reply to @nathanlutz, @SraSpanglish, @jadelman75, @mmeshep
  • SrtaOlson Jan 26 @ 8:23 PM EST
    A2 Could all of this be something modeled on a proficiency pyramid or visual for all of the #ACTFL proficiency levels? #langchat
  • MlleSulewski Jan 26 @ 8:23 PM EST
    Whaaaa? So, according to admin it's impossible to ever perform BEYOND the expectation? #langchat
    In reply to @doriecp
  • dressurleben Jan 26 @ 8:24 PM EST
    We should not create standards. Our Can-Do's can be personalized. #langchat
    In reply to @mmeshep, @jadelman75
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 26 @ 8:24 PM EST
    EXACTLY! Interpretation may be TECHNICALLY the same skill, but PRACTICALLY reading and listening are WORLDS apart #langchat
    In reply to @mmeshep
  • jadelman75 Jan 26 @ 8:24 PM EST
    I use/like the target levels from @MartinaBex - advanced, proficient, developing, ... #langchat
    In reply to @nathanlutz, @doriecp, @SraSpanglish, @mmeshep, @MartinaBex
  • nathanlutz Jan 26 @ 8:24 PM EST
    #langchat A2: Scale is school-wide, so Ts have no choice; indicators were dept-developed, drawing on @actfl proficiency guidelines
    In reply to @actfl
  • doriecp Jan 26 @ 8:24 PM EST
    Ours is called effort too, but I don't really like it. How do I really know how much they're putting in? Maybe "perceived effort"? #langchat
    In reply to @jadelman75
  • LearnWordsApp Jan 26 @ 8:25 PM EST
    That's... not good. Everyone needs a ceiling to break through. :) #langchat
    • MlleSulewski Jan 26 @ 8:23 PM EST
      Whaaaa? So, according to admin it's impossible to ever perform BEYOND the expectation? #langchat
      In reply to @doriecp
  • mmeshep Jan 26 @ 8:25 PM EST
    I agree and my ? is whether standards-based means meeting prof. level or Can-Do. #langchat
    In reply to @dressurleben, @jadelman75
  • MrM0REHEAD Jan 26 @ 8:25 PM EST
    Is output necessary for acquisition? Why or why not? @teawithbvp @skrashen #langchat @msumcl
    In reply to @teawithbvp, @skrashen, @msumcl
  • MlleSulewski Jan 26 @ 8:25 PM EST
    That feels like an argument waiting to happen. "I DID put in effort!" #langchat
    In reply to @doriecp, @jadelman75
  • MlleSulewski Jan 26 @ 8:25 PM EST
    Or, alternatively, "I know my kid ALWAYS does his/her best at school!" #langchat
    In reply to @doriecp, @jadelman75
  • mmeshep Jan 26 @ 8:25 PM EST
    As are speaking and writing!! #langchat
    In reply to @SraSpanglish
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 26 @ 8:25 PM EST
    I mean if the standard is The Standard, exceeding is icing, not what you need to measure/report w/ grades #langchat
    In reply to @MlleSulewski, @doriecp
  • dressurleben Jan 26 @ 8:26 PM EST
    We used to do this, but we moved to the modes so they would be aligned to ACTFL's communication C #langchat
    In reply to @SrtaGlynn
  • doriecp Jan 26 @ 8:26 PM EST
    It's not impossible, but they argued it's just not our job to report that. Meeting is sufficient I suppose. #langchat
    In reply to @MlleSulewski
  • MlleSulewski Jan 26 @ 8:26 PM EST
    That makes me a little crazy but that'll be an answer for Q3 coming up...#langchat
    In reply to @doriecp
  • jadelman75 Jan 26 @ 8:26 PM EST
    Possible, but not worth acknowledging? #langchat
    In reply to @MlleSulewski, @doriecp
  • doriecp Jan 26 @ 8:26 PM EST
    I think it was also to combat grade inflation. If ALL your students are "exceeding" what does that say about our expectations? #langchat
    In reply to @MlleSulewski
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 26 @ 8:26 PM EST
    I definitely ignored them, combined/cut bold ones I didn't see the point to--still hard to apply #langchat
    In reply to @madamednmichael, @jadelman75
  • MlleSulewski Jan 26 @ 8:27 PM EST
    So since we're already getting there, here comes Q3...#langchat
  • SrtaGlynn Jan 26 @ 8:27 PM EST
    Has understanding of strengths/weakness improved? #langchat
    In reply to @dressurleben
  • dressurleben Jan 26 @ 8:27 PM EST
    Daily work sounds like formative assessments. We are moving towards 90-100% summative in gradebook. #langchat
    In reply to @SraSpanglish, @doriecp
  • MlleSulewski Jan 26 @ 8:27 PM EST
    Q3 Q3 Q3 How can a standards-based rubric translate to a letter grade? #langchat
  • doriecp Jan 26 @ 8:27 PM EST
    But if parents see "exceeding" is possible and their kid isn't getting it, they call to complain. #langchat
    In reply to @MlleSulewski
  • jadelman75 Jan 26 @ 8:27 PM EST
    How do we differentiate btwn "standards" and "can-do's"? Standard = level of proficiency? Can-do = task? #langchat
    In reply to @dressurleben, @mmeshep
  • MlleSulewski Jan 26 @ 8:28 PM EST
    But that's why you align it to a realistic proficiency statement...not everyone is going to exceed right away #langchat
    In reply to @doriecp
  • doriecp Jan 26 @ 8:28 PM EST
    A3 sitting this question out as we don't give standard grades. Only "meeting", "approaching" and "beginning" expectations. #langchat
  • MlleSulewski Jan 26 @ 8:28 PM EST
    A3 So for me Meeting Expectations = B/B+ and Exceeding is A. I've been thinking of ditching minus grades #langchat
  • madamednmichael Jan 26 @ 8:29 PM EST
    #langchat SBG I think we would do well to look at elementary school SBG to see how they do it my son's district DOES award an ABOVE-LEVEL
  • dressurleben Jan 26 @ 8:29 PM EST
    I changed the name of the modes to make more sense. CONVERSATION, READ/LISTEN, and PRESENTATION #langchat
    In reply to @jadelman75
  • krisfauch Jan 26 @ 8:29 PM EST
    A3- letter grades are useless with SBG in my opinion... we're reporting on their skill level- how does a letter do that? #langchat
  • SECottrell Jan 26 @ 8:29 PM EST
    Here's the @musicuentos post on putting a number grade on proficiency-based assessment https://t.co/D8PxE4cNk9 #langchat
    In reply to @Musicuentos
  • SECottrell Jan 26 @ 8:29 PM EST
    Here's the @CLC_Teachers post on putting a number grade on proficiency assessment https://t.co/GtttPHFzXk #langchat
    In reply to @CLC_Teachers
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 26 @ 8:29 PM EST
    #langchat A3 I like graduated expectations: here's the level I expcect at this point, how close are you? https://t.co/P30MRhStgV
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 26 @ 8:29 PM EST
    #langchat A3 I like graduated expectations: here's the level I expcect at this point, how close are you? https://t.co/P7rzfKnRYg
  • omahafrenchie Jan 26 @ 8:29 PM EST
    A3. Personally, I'd like a C to be meeting the standard. But with the way society looks at grades, that would never fly. #langchat
  • MlleSulewski Jan 26 @ 8:29 PM EST
    Well, my district has not adopted SBG so a letter grade is still the expectation...not ideal, but that's life! #langchat
    In reply to @krisfauch
  • CatherineKU72 Jan 26 @ 8:30 PM EST
    #langchat A3 Using current gradebook to enterS BG code tied to percentage. End of semester, crunch data to find growth. Tricky, still trying
  • nathanlutz Jan 26 @ 8:30 PM EST
    #langchat A3: standards-based is more descriptive than a letter grade - tells exactly what a S can do #langchat
  • doriecp Jan 26 @ 8:30 PM EST
    We have a separate section for preparation, participation, organization, etc. but I HATE giving an "effort" grade. #langchat
    In reply to @jadelman75, @MlleSulewski
  • madamednmichael Jan 26 @ 8:30 PM EST
    #langchat A3 Francis Troyan does great training on this, using tool like https://t.co/9jQ4vFqNla to assist with converting
  • MlleSulewski Jan 26 @ 8:30 PM EST
    A3 I would love to one day just put "ME" in gradebook and have students know they met the expectation. #langchat
  • SraWienhold Jan 26 @ 8:31 PM EST
    A3: Our school is doing 4,3,2,1 which to fit with non SBG gradebook becomes A(95) B(85) C(75) D(65) #langchat
  • nathanlutz Jan 26 @ 8:31 PM EST
    #langchat A3: problem we have w/ our indicators and rating scale: Ss and some Ps convert the #1-4 into bogus letter grades #alternatefacts
  • SraWilliams3 Jan 26 @ 8:31 PM EST
    A3: wish I didn't give letter grades. Using rubric & letter grades seemed arbitrary. Finally learned how to turn raw score to % #langchat
  • doriecp Jan 26 @ 8:31 PM EST
    Category is "demonstrates effort" and descriptors are: consistently, usually, inconsistently, or rarely. #langchat
    In reply to @jadelman75, @MlleSulewski
  • SrtaGlynn Jan 26 @ 8:32 PM EST
    A3: Report on a 4 scale not a 100 point scale. 4=A, 3=B, 2=C, 1=D, 0=F #langchat
  • omahafrenchie Jan 26 @ 8:32 PM EST
    If only we all could change to this! #langchat
    • doriecp Jan 26 @ 8:28 PM EST
      A3 sitting this question out as we don't give standard grades. Only "meeting", "approaching" and "beginning" expectations. #langchat
  • jadelman75 Jan 26 @ 8:32 PM EST
    I hear that. I think a B or B+ is more widely acceptable for meeting standards. #langchat
    • omahafrenchie Jan 26 @ 8:29 PM EST
      A3. Personally, I'd like a C to be meeting the standard. But with the way society looks at grades, that would never fly. #langchat
  • dressurleben Jan 26 @ 8:32 PM EST
    A2 I struggled w/ a weird conversion chart for a while. Gave up. Now I put points on the columns of the rubrics. #langchat
  • welangley Jan 26 @ 8:32 PM EST
    A3 a serious challenge. How do we convey the meaning of sbg to Ss trained in an "A=success " mentality #langchat
  • doriecp Jan 26 @ 8:33 PM EST
    Yes! We meet as a department to set expectations & make anchor sets to serve as examples of what "meeting expectations" looks like #langchat
    In reply to @jadelman75
  • MlleSulewski Jan 26 @ 8:33 PM EST
    I get huge amounts of side-eye for "giving" B grades! Can't imagine if a C was meeting expectations...omg, mutiny! #langchat
    • jadelman75 Jan 26 @ 8:32 PM EST
      I hear that. I think a B or B+ is more widely acceptable for meeting standards. #langchat
      • omahafrenchie Jan 26 @ 8:29 PM EST
        A3. Personally, I'd like a C to be meeting the standard. But with the way society looks at grades, that would never fly. #langchat
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 26 @ 8:33 PM EST
    I agree BUT parents/ students come to us (in HS) w/ understanding of A-F. It's a way to speak their language #langchat
    In reply to @nathanlutz
  • MlleSulewski Jan 26 @ 8:33 PM EST
    Or "I turned in it on time, where's my A?" #langchat
    In reply to @welangley
  • CoLeeSensei - Moderator Jan 26 @ 8:33 PM EST
    A2 next year our freshmen (Yr 1) will not have 'letter grades/percentages' as mandate by new provincial policy #langchat
  • MlleSulewski Jan 26 @ 8:34 PM EST
    it's hard when their language is also "anything less than A is unacceptable, how are you going 2 fix?" #langchat
    In reply to @SraSpanglish, @nathanlutz
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 26 @ 8:34 PM EST
    Exactly. Effort doesn't mean they're ready to for tougher challenges #langchat
    • doriecp Jan 26 @ 8:30 PM EST
      We have a separate section for preparation, participation, organization, etc. but I HATE giving an "effort" grade. #langchat
      In reply to @jadelman75, @MlleSulewski
  • CoLeeSensei - Moderator Jan 26 @ 8:34 PM EST
    I hear you - my 'meeting' is 80% (you are doing unit items well)...70% you have mastered a few unit items #langchat
    In reply to @MlleSulewski
  • CatherineKU72 Jan 26 @ 8:34 PM EST
    Isn't that where performance indicators come in. Ask sts to show in their writing/speaking where they met #langchat
    In reply to @MlleSulewski, @welangley
  • SraWilliams3 Jan 26 @ 8:34 PM EST
    @jadelman75 me too! An A for exceeding. B for meeting. My colleagues made some snarky comments about it #langchat
    In reply to @MlleSulewski, @jadelman75
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 26 @ 8:35 PM EST
    district doesn't allow that #biggerfishtofry #langchat :/
    In reply to @bethechangeOK7, @nathanlutz
  • doriecp Jan 26 @ 8:35 PM EST
    That's what I wish ours was. Something concrete and actually observable! #langchat
    In reply to @jadelman75
  • MlleSulewski Jan 26 @ 8:35 PM EST
    I guess I just don't see where motivation to exceed is if kid who does just enough gets an A, too. #langchat
    In reply to @SraWilliams3, @jadelman75
  • welangley Jan 26 @ 8:35 PM EST
    A3 even if we do adjust what each grade means "a=exceeds expectations b=meets" we will have push back because most will get Bs #langchat
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 26 @ 8:35 PM EST
    thats why I like having 10-point scale--90 is not 100 but still an A #langchat
    In reply to @MlleSulewski, @nathanlutz
  • omahafrenchie Jan 26 @ 8:35 PM EST
    I just think C = average = meeting the standard. But a B/B+ would be an easier sell to parents. #langchat
    In reply to @jadelman75
  • MlleSulewski Jan 26 @ 8:36 PM EST
    Q4 coming your way! #langchat
  • welangley Jan 26 @ 8:36 PM EST
    A3 which MEETS expectations is perfectly fine, and I'm happy and excited when Ss meet expectations #langchat
  • doriecp Jan 26 @ 8:37 PM EST
    I think the idea of C = average is looooong gone. #langchat
    In reply to @omahafrenchie, @jadelman75
  • MlleSulewski Jan 26 @ 8:37 PM EST
    Q4 Q4 Q4 How can SBG allow for students to "level up" or demonstrate growth? #langchat
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 26 @ 8:37 PM EST
    90 vs 100--10-point scale makes life easier #langchat
    In reply to @MlleSulewski, @SraWilliams3, @jadelman75
  • omahafrenchie Jan 26 @ 8:37 PM EST
    Fought this in middle school. Was told grades should be "A or incomplete." #langchat
    • MlleSulewski Jan 26 @ 8:34 PM EST
      it's hard when their language is also "anything less than A is unacceptable, how are you going 2 fix?" #langchat
      In reply to @SraSpanglish, @nathanlutz
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 26 @ 8:38 PM EST
    brother, let me work out this performance/proficiency revolution first! #langchat
    In reply to @nathanlutz, @bethechangeOK7
  • MlleSulewski Jan 26 @ 8:38 PM EST
    A4 This is why "exceeds" is my A category; for most kids that's enough push! For those who already exceed, extra credit. #langchat
  • SrtaGlynn Jan 26 @ 8:38 PM EST
    YES! a 4 (or A) for me is "meets or exceeds" - how can you really exceed expectation to conjugate all verbs correctly? #langchat
    In reply to @welangley
  • LearnWordsApp Jan 26 @ 8:38 PM EST
    It's too bad there isn't an easier way to add 'with distinction' to grades -- what about a designation that can be listed on apps? #langchat
  • SraWilliams3 Jan 26 @ 8:38 PM EST
    I used to use a 10 pt scale @ my old school. Changed some to conform to new dept. #langchat
    In reply to @SraSpanglish, @MlleSulewski, @jadelman75
  • SECottrell Jan 26 @ 8:39 PM EST
    Another question to ask here: which standard does correct conjugation meet? #langchat
    • SrtaGlynn Jan 26 @ 8:38 PM EST
      YES! a 4 (or A) for me is "meets or exceeds" - how can you really exceed expectation to conjugate all verbs correctly? #langchat
      In reply to @welangley
  • omahafrenchie Jan 26 @ 8:39 PM EST
    because success has been widely inflated. "Just" meeting is really ok! #langchat
    In reply to @welangley
  • SrtaGlynn Jan 26 @ 8:39 PM EST
    A4 We account for trend in final semester grades, not average. #langchat
  • welangley Jan 26 @ 8:39 PM EST
    well that's a different conversation. Show me the standards that mention conjugation 😉 #langchat
    In reply to @SrtaGlynn
  • MlleSulewski Jan 26 @ 8:40 PM EST
    A4 I also think having clear rubric verbage helps in this area. Students can see what an A would be and adjust performance #langchat
  • SECottrell Jan 26 @ 8:40 PM EST
    they're there... they just don't use that word exactly. And they're way high up there. ;) #langchat
    In reply to @welangley, @SrtaGlynn
  • mmeshep Jan 26 @ 8:40 PM EST
    If they really WOW me, I give an 11/10. #langchat #confessionsofagradeinflator?
  • MlleSulewski Jan 26 @ 8:40 PM EST
    Or if not adjust performance right away, know what ?s to ask to get help they need. "How can I write in more complete sentences?" #langchat
  • SraWilliams3 Jan 26 @ 8:40 PM EST
    A4: I'm stuck on this. I feel like I've exhausted all of my ideas to get them to excel! #langchat
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 26 @ 8:41 PM EST
    #langchat A4 of standards are grouped according to proficiency levels, then students should be taking a step up the staircase w/ each "met"!
  • dressurleben Jan 26 @ 8:41 PM EST
    I am weary of the growth vs. proficiency conversation. Personally, I see more value in Prof Level for WL bc ACTFL can certify you. #langchat
  • CatherineKU72 Jan 26 @ 8:41 PM EST
    A4 #langchat Created choice board w/different levels of activities. Sts could choose to stay at previous level (C) or demonstrate growth ^
  • MlleSulewski Jan 26 @ 8:41 PM EST
    I do that too! #langchat
    In reply to @mmeshep
  • madamednmichael Jan 26 @ 8:41 PM EST
    #langchat YES. always go over rubrics in advance.
    In reply to @MlleSulewski
  • SECottrell Jan 26 @ 8:41 PM EST
    Time for #langchat #confessions? I gave lots of non-standards-based grades to fulfill # of required grades and be left to my real assessment
  • GrowingFrench Jan 26 @ 8:42 PM EST
    Definitely agree if student understands proficiency levels and how to create higher lever language it encourages them to do so #langchat
    • MlleSulewski Jan 26 @ 8:40 PM EST
      A4 I also think having clear rubric verbage helps in this area. Students can see what an A would be and adjust performance #langchat
  • madamednmichael Jan 26 @ 8:42 PM EST
    #langchat A4 also, giving differentiated assessments with above level, weighed choices allows students to show they exceed standard
  • metissejazz Jan 26 @ 8:42 PM EST
    Me, too! #sharingiscaring #langchat
    In reply to @doriecp, @dressurleben
  • SECottrell Jan 26 @ 8:42 PM EST
    75 points for completing your choice activity? Yep. 50 points for completing your blog entry? Yep. #NoRegrets #langchat #IHateGrades
  • doriecp Jan 26 @ 8:42 PM EST
    A4 I introduce prof scale in grade3 & show what "meets expectations" for grades1-5. Some strive to exceed grade-level expectations #langchat
  • nathanlutz Jan 26 @ 8:43 PM EST
    #langchat A4: training Ss how to level up = so important; saw this graphic and love it! https://t.co/f4NX5J5vdl
  • MlleSulewski Jan 26 @ 8:43 PM EST
    I'm getting more to that point...with 4 preps, I just don't even have time to go over everything w/ fine-toothed comb. #langchat
    In reply to @SECottrell
  • bethechangeOK7 Jan 26 @ 8:44 PM EST
    I have a combined 3/AP class, so doing that helps me not lose my mind with so many different levels in one class #langchat
    In reply to @madamednmichael
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 26 @ 8:44 PM EST
    in NC we have standards about "language components" under interpretation #langchat #legacy #concessions
    In reply to @SECottrell
  • SECottrell Jan 26 @ 8:44 PM EST
    When I gave letter grades, I did consider A as "excellent" i.e. exceeding the standard on what was standards-based #langchat
    In reply to @SrtaGlynn
  • doriecp Jan 26 @ 8:44 PM EST
    But grades are just a tool for feedback. If everyone understands the terms involved, any letter can be defined to mean "average" #langchat
    In reply to @profe_robbins, @omahafrenchie, @jadelman75
  • madamednmichael Jan 26 @ 8:44 PM EST
    #langchat I have looked at "practice"work and if it corresponds to a Linguafolio I Can, voilà, it's a Summative grade!
    In reply to @SECottrell
  • JessieOelke Jan 26 @ 8:45 PM EST
    Not how parents see it. A or nothing. #langchat
    In reply to @doriecp, @profe_robbins, @omahafrenchie, @jadelman75
  • bethechangeOK7 Jan 26 @ 8:45 PM EST
    I made a big one of these on a wall in my classroom with examples at each level! #langchat
    In reply to @nathanlutz
  • CatherineKU72 Jan 26 @ 8:45 PM EST
    A4 #langchat Show work from previous classes w/performance indicators/expectations. Ask sts to rate & explain choice. How could you add on?
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 26 @ 8:45 PM EST
    right, but language--including A-F--evolves, and B now means OK. Gotta speak their language! #langchat
    In reply to @omahafrenchie, @welangley
  • doriecp Jan 26 @ 8:46 PM EST
    But that's my point. If that's the case, why not redefine A to mean meets expectations? Or "average"? #langchat
    In reply to @JessieOelke, @profe_robbins, @omahafrenchie, @jadelman75
  • MlleSulewski Jan 26 @ 8:46 PM EST
    Since we're moving in that direction, here comes Q5! #langchat
  • MlleSulewski Jan 26 @ 8:46 PM EST
    Q5 Q5 Q5 How do we get students and parents to buy in to SBG? #langchat
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 26 @ 8:46 PM EST
    I really want to do more with examples--wanna get something online class can refer to! #langchat
    In reply to @bethechangeOK7, @nathanlutz
  • doriecp Jan 26 @ 8:47 PM EST
    And find some other way to communicate when Ss exceed. That's what we have to do now that our highest "grade" is "meeting" #langchat
    In reply to @JessieOelke, @profe_robbins, @omahafrenchie, @jadelman75
  • bethechangeOK7 Jan 26 @ 8:47 PM EST
    because every class has a student who will probably always exceed #langchat
    In reply to @doriecp, @JessieOelke, @profe_robbins, @omahafrenchie, @jadelman75
  • MlleSulewski Jan 26 @ 8:47 PM EST
    A5 Getting parent buy-in has been my BIGGEST challenge. Arriving on time, participating & turning in work are my BASE expectations #langchat
  • LearnWordsApp Jan 26 @ 8:47 PM EST
    A5: As much clarity as possible! Students and parents *need* that. #langchat
  • nathanlutz Jan 26 @ 8:47 PM EST
    #langchat A5: Show Ss & Ps the value of how descriptive the SBG really is.
  • mmeshep Jan 26 @ 8:47 PM EST
    A5 Is it that hard? When I explain that assessments can be retaken, 'rents are on board. #butkidsdontshowup #langchat
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 26 @ 8:47 PM EST
    I mean, it's not...unless you're counting in getting into competitive universities, competitive scholarships #langchat
    In reply to @welangley
  • MlleSulewski Jan 26 @ 8:48 PM EST
    A5 I'm not going to assign an A for putting your butt in a seat before the bell rings and answering my questions when I ask #langchat
  • CoLeeSensei - Moderator Jan 26 @ 8:48 PM EST
    A5 Initially they don't like it! Where's my number? But eventually..they actually find it more useful to see where are - they say #langchat
  • dressurleben Jan 26 @ 8:48 PM EST
    A5 At curriculum night I explain in layman's terms. All parents get on board. Admin love it too. Community support is key. #langchat
  • kltharri Jan 26 @ 8:48 PM EST
    Ugh! Hate I missed THIS topic #in the air #langchat
  • mmeshep Jan 26 @ 8:48 PM EST
    Hoping to have enough students to keep your job, avoiding repeated mtgs with admin., etc. #langchat
    In reply to @SraSpanglish, @welangley
  • CoLeeSensei - Moderator Jan 26 @ 8:48 PM EST
    A5 they 'relax' when they see that their 'translated' grade (for the gradebook) actually meets/exceeds what they got before #langchat
  • MlleSulewski Jan 26 @ 8:48 PM EST
    A5 Students seem somewhat soothed by it though...no mysteries or secrets. #langchat
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 26 @ 8:49 PM EST
    #langchat A5 we're language teachers: we have to teach them the language of our standards too #whocouldresist?
  • kltharri Jan 26 @ 8:49 PM EST
    woo-goo you are on #langchat!! #teach2teach baby bird 😃
    In reply to @profemacdonald, @MmeFarab, @ACHSpanish
  • LearnWordsApp Jan 26 @ 8:49 PM EST
    This! #langchat
    • dressurleben Jan 26 @ 8:48 PM EST
      A5 At curriculum night I explain in layman's terms. All parents get on board. Admin love it too. Community support is key. #langchat
  • bethechangeOK7 Jan 26 @ 8:49 PM EST
    Ss can use sbg descriptions to grow and improve language skills. Hopefully spark some sort of intrinsic motivation #langchat
  • madamednmichael Jan 26 @ 8:49 PM EST
    #langchat A5 very clear explanation and communication of level expectations.
  • mmegalea Jan 26 @ 8:49 PM EST
    #aimlang #fslchat #frimm #edchat #langchat #onedchat She will be amazing!
    • wendyaim1 Jan 26 @ 8:21 PM EST
      will be wonderful, Edite - so glad that you are giving this session!
      In reply to @EditeSammons
  • MlleSulewski Jan 26 @ 8:49 PM EST
    I get the "do you really wanna die on this hill?" talk from admin everyyy year. #langchat
    In reply to @mmeshep, @SraSpanglish, @welangley
  • CoLeeSensei - Moderator Jan 26 @ 8:49 PM EST
    A5 I actually asked them when I switched to 'expectation grading' https://t.co/VvppJaQyOk #langchat
  • bethechangeOK7 Jan 26 @ 8:50 PM EST
    You have curriculum night? Is it like open house? What does it entail? #langchat
    • dressurleben Jan 26 @ 8:48 PM EST
      A5 At curriculum night I explain in layman's terms. All parents get on board. Admin love it too. Community support is key. #langchat
  • MlleSulewski Jan 26 @ 8:50 PM EST
    A5 SBG also helps answer the question "Why did I get a C on this?" Couldn't give concrete answer before. #langchat
  • doriecp Jan 26 @ 8:50 PM EST
    A5 show them how it actually helps report what they CAN DO (or need to improve) rather than it being an arbitrary number/letter. #langchat
  • SECottrell Jan 26 @ 8:50 PM EST
    A5 this Q didn't come up for me so much as when will admins sign on to communicating grades based on standards not A-F #langchat
  • madamednmichael Jan 26 @ 8:50 PM EST
    #langchat A5 further, WE have to be knowledgeable of our standards and confident explaining them
  • dressurleben Jan 26 @ 8:51 PM EST
    Given our conversations tonight - I'd really like to see some admin show up to #langchat and understand our craft, goals, and struggles
  • CoLeeSensei - Moderator Jan 26 @ 8:51 PM EST
    Just had the 'I'm going to proficiency & btw I'm not doing 'finals' any more' talk w admin #langchat
    In reply to @MlleSulewski, @mmeshep, @SraSpanglish
  • jadelman75 Jan 26 @ 8:51 PM EST
    We do Curriculum Night (open house night) with 7 min.s to explain our class. Use it to explain proficiency grades #langchat
    In reply to @bethechangeOK7
  • SECottrell Jan 26 @ 8:51 PM EST
    YES. #langchat
    • dressurleben Jan 26 @ 8:51 PM EST
      Given our conversations tonight - I'd really like to see some admin show up to #langchat and understand our craft, goals, and struggles
  • SraWilliams3 Jan 26 @ 8:52 PM EST
    A5: my challenge is that I work with Ts not interested in doing SBG & parents hate deviance from their comfort zone 😑 #langchat
  • CoLeeSensei - Moderator Jan 26 @ 8:52 PM EST
    Better yet how do you handle the dept tchrs who 'don't want to do this'?? 2/5 of us are on board #langchat
    In reply to @dressurleben
  • dressurleben Jan 26 @ 8:52 PM EST
    P's run thru their Ss day -period by period- only 10 minutes long each, meet Ts, get syllabus, hear my plans/goals #langchat
    In reply to @bethechangeOK7
  • MlleSulewski Jan 26 @ 8:53 PM EST
    A lot of parents like the principle that grade will reflect performance, but not necessarily the reality of what that means #langchat
  • SECottrell Jan 26 @ 8:53 PM EST
    my last year in school, admin said "Every class ought to have a Scantron final. Even art. #langchat
    In reply to @CoLeeSensei
  • SraWienhold Jan 26 @ 8:53 PM EST
    A5: since i am just starting out, please share your graphics & parent/student info letters that explain SBG in language class #langchat
  • doriecp Jan 26 @ 8:53 PM EST
    I usually just write something in the comments section. Many parents tell me they value the comments more than the grade anyways #langchat
    In reply to @omahafrenchie, @bethechangeOK7, @JessieOelke, @profe_robbins, @jadelman75
  • MlleSulewski Jan 26 @ 8:53 PM EST
    We're required to do that as well. Finals AND midterms :( #langchat
    In reply to @SECottrell, @CoLeeSensei
  • dressurleben Jan 26 @ 8:53 PM EST
    Helps with consistency across grades, maturity level, organization skills, transfer students, everything is clearer #langchat
    In reply to @MlleSulewski
  • welangley Jan 26 @ 8:54 PM EST
    A5 there might be some food for thought in "hacking assessment" #langchat
  • klasekastellano Jan 26 @ 8:54 PM EST
    Did i miss again tonight? #langchat
  • madamednmichael Jan 26 @ 8:54 PM EST
    #langchat unfortunately if we are not a "tested"subject, many admin have no incentive to engage
    In reply to @SECottrell
  • bethechangeOK7 Jan 26 @ 8:54 PM EST
    oh no! That's impossible and sounds horrendous. How do you assess speaking and writing with a scantron? #langchat
    In reply to @SECottrell, @CoLeeSensei
  • MlleSulewski Jan 26 @ 8:55 PM EST
    Time for takeaways! What’s one thing from tonight’s chat that you want to take with you? #langchat
  • CatherineKU72 Jan 26 @ 8:55 PM EST
    #langchat Our HS going this way, but it'll take time, neutral PD & open dialogue for hesitant staff &parents. A5
    In reply to @CoLeeSensei, @dressurleben
  • SraPastorek Jan 26 @ 8:56 PM EST
    #langchat it's mandatory. I'm pretty sure I'd lose my job if I didn't and "went rogue"
    In reply to @nathanlutz, @SraWilliams3
  • MlleSulewski Jan 26 @ 8:56 PM EST
    TA: Try to work on kinder wording for my rubric scale! #langchat
  • bethechangeOK7 Jan 26 @ 8:56 PM EST
    Sad but true. WL is always the last at my school #langchat
    • madamednmichael Jan 26 @ 8:54 PM EST
      #langchat unfortunately if we are not a "tested"subject, many admin have no incentive to engage
      In reply to @SECottrell
  • CoLeeSensei - Moderator Jan 26 @ 8:56 PM EST
    Raised eyebrow ..I'm going to slide it in as 'the last unit evaluation' LOL #langchat
    In reply to @mmeshep, @MlleSulewski, @SraSpanglish
  • SrtaGlynn Jan 26 @ 8:56 PM EST
    Could those interested change their gradebook to have categories based on mode not HW, tests, etc. #langchat #babysteps
    In reply to @CoLeeSensei
  • CoLeeSensei - Moderator Jan 26 @ 8:56 PM EST
    Amen - 2/5 of us are going rogue! I just keep sending those SBG&proficiency posts to all! #langchat
    In reply to @madamednmichael, @dressurleben
  • SlocumBeth Jan 26 @ 8:57 PM EST
    Phineas and Ferb - We are the Moms https://t.co/ojmCrOppsE via @YouTube time out from #langchat ... :)
    In reply to @YouTube
  • jadelman75 Jan 26 @ 8:57 PM EST
    This is what I did to create some balance. #langchat
    In reply to @SrtaGlynn
  • dressurleben Jan 26 @ 8:58 PM EST
    I personally believe that Ss that struggle most need WL most bc their job future will likely involve comm skills #langchat
    In reply to @bethechangeOK7
  • welangley Jan 26 @ 8:58 PM EST
    A5 I'm lucky to have some admin that are so willing to listen to new ideas #langchat @raewoolpy #transformativeed
    In reply to @raewoolpy
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 26 @ 8:58 PM EST
    SOUNDS easy. Really helps planning mindset to be able to categorize work that way #langchat
    In reply to @SrtaGlynn, @CoLeeSensei
  • SenoraJansen Jan 26 @ 8:58 PM EST
    Me too me too! I have so much to learn! I'm trying to implement as much as I can in a school that doesn't use SBG #langchat
    In reply to @SraWienhold
  • doriecp Jan 26 @ 8:58 PM EST
    I wonder why some parents were livid when we nixed letter grades. Is it b/c that can't ground their kid for getting below a B? #langchat
  • MlleSulewski Jan 26 @ 8:59 PM EST
    If you missed tonight's #langchat, don't worry! Join us for the Saturday Sequel! Same topic, different time. 10 AM EST!
  • JessieOelke Jan 26 @ 8:59 PM EST
    Same here. Admin has always been supportive. #langchat
    In reply to @welangley, @raewoolpy
  • doriecp Jan 26 @ 8:59 PM EST
    I wonder why some parents were livid when we nixed letter grades. Is it b/c thay can't ground their kid for getting below a B? #langchat
  • MlleSulewski Jan 26 @ 8:59 PM EST
    Also if you have any ideas for future #langchat topics, visit the wiki! https://t.co/uQUmA9bMua
  • dressurleben Jan 26 @ 8:59 PM EST
    I have already done this. Sort of. I use "test" category and label the assessments the 3 modes. #langchat
    In reply to @SrtaGlynn, @CoLeeSensei