#musedchat Archive

Each Monday evening at 8PM EST, music teachers get together and share ideas about important topics within music education. It’s a great chance to interact directly with educators from all over the world and to get new tips and tricks to help you succeed in the classroom. The entire #musedchat discussion is organized and moderated by Joe Guarr.

Monday January 28, 2019
8:00 PM EST

  • MrBMusicTeacher Jan 28 @ 8:00 PM EST
    #Musedchat Here goes nothing.....welcome to tonight's chat make sure to introduce yourself..We'll be chatting about sub plans....Antoine here from Woodbridge Ontario Director of the @FrBressaniBands
  • Muzzikkatt Jan 28 @ 8:00 PM EST
    #musedchat Good Evening! Finally made it on time. @MrBMusicTeacher
  • BrandonDPeters Jan 28 @ 8:01 PM EST
    Brandon Peters, Middle School Band Director in Birmingham, Alabama. Currently enjoying a Snow Day Eve. Hello, everyone! #musedchat
  • Muzzikkatt Jan 28 @ 8:01 PM EST
    #musedchat And forgot to say K-8 Music and Band, 18*F today.
  • SchmutzerMusic Jan 28 @ 8:03 PM EST
    K-5 from Wisconsin. Currently trying to make sure we don't freeze this week! #musedchat
  • susan_turnquist Jan 28 @ 8:04 PM EST
    Susan from western new York. Elementary Pre-K -4 #musedchat
  • SamuelFritz Jan 28 @ 8:04 PM EST
    Hi all Sam Fritz from Greenwood, IN 6-8 Band #musedchat
  • MrBMusicTeacher Jan 28 @ 8:04 PM EST
    I can guarantee Ss are glued to twitter to see if tomorrows exams will be postponed....#musedchat
    In reply to @Muzzikkatt
  • MsNietupski Jan 28 @ 8:04 PM EST
    #Musedchat Hi I'm Sarah and I just lost a pierogi to the sink drain. Oh and I teach 7-12 band and had a snow day today.
  • MrBMusicTeacher Jan 28 @ 8:04 PM EST
    Hi Sam welcome to #musedchat All good in your neck of the woods?
    In reply to @SamuelFritz
  • jhallma_mused Jan 28 @ 8:05 PM EST
    Greetings, I’m John from MI! Currently a student teacher. #musedchat
  • MrBMusicTeacher Jan 28 @ 8:05 PM EST
    Hi Susan welcome to #musedchat! As a Red Sox fan I have to ask Yankee or Mets 😀😀
    In reply to @susan_turnquist
  • MrBMusicTeacher Jan 28 @ 8:06 PM EST
    As @jguarr would say Question 1 coming shortly #Musedchat
  • MrBMusicTeacher Jan 28 @ 8:06 PM EST
    Welcome John! Where are you studying? #musedchat
    In reply to @jhallma_mused
  • MrBMusicTeacher Jan 28 @ 8:07 PM EST
    The struggle is real! Welcome Sarah to #musedchat.
    In reply to @MsNietupski
  • jhallma_mused Jan 28 @ 8:07 PM EST
    Thank you! I go to Oakland University in Rochester, MI! #musedchat
    In reply to @MrBMusicTeacher
  • TheStephenKeys Jan 28 @ 8:07 PM EST
    Hey #musedchat Stephen from Ky.
  • MrBMusicTeacher Jan 28 @ 8:08 PM EST
    Did you end up going to the music conference this past weekend? #musedchat
    In reply to @jhallma_mused
  • MrBMusicTeacher Jan 28 @ 8:09 PM EST
    Sounds normal #musedchat
    In reply to @SamuelFritz
  • jhallma_mused Jan 28 @ 8:09 PM EST
    I did! It was incredible. #musedchat
    In reply to @MrBMusicTeacher
  • MrBMusicTeacher Jan 28 @ 8:10 PM EST
    Hi Stephen welcome. #musedchat
    In reply to @TheStephenKeys
  • MrBMusicTeacher Jan 28 @ 8:11 PM EST
    So I hope my Canadian accent doesn't throw you off here's Q1 Regarding Sub plans what are your go to resources? For either a planned or unplanned absence #Musedchat
  • jhallma_mused Jan 28 @ 8:12 PM EST
    Absolutely, if you DM me I can share my notes I took in sessions with you. #musedchat
    In reply to @Muzzikkatt, @MrBMusicTeacher
  • MrBMusicTeacher Jan 28 @ 8:12 PM EST
    I really want to attend it one year just see how you folks run things #musedchat
    In reply to @jhallma_mused
  • MrBMusicTeacher Jan 28 @ 8:14 PM EST
    #Musedchat A1 I leave instructions for the students to work independently on their final playing exam. The grade 9's and 10's usually follow task but I can't say my Srs do the same.....those same kids then complain they can't get it up to tempo or its too hard..
  • skootergordon Jan 28 @ 8:14 PM EST
    A1: https://t.co/OtQE8Ccrhk is a solid source for me, not just for music theory class but to help review building scales, rhythms and interval training #musedchat
    In reply to @MrBMusicTeacher
  • MsNietupski Jan 28 @ 8:15 PM EST
    #musedchat Unplanned or when I trust them: sectionals or working on solo rep. Planned: I use Google Forms here and there to survey sections on their progress of our music. Desperate: I have a worksheet from another MI t which analyzes any movie's soundtrack and scene.
  • jhallma_mused Jan 28 @ 8:15 PM EST
    A1: It really depends if the sub has a musical background or not. My go-to plans are for classes to rehearse as chamber ensembles, and the sub can act as a coach and give advice to S ensembles in each class period. #musedchat
  • MrBMusicTeacher Jan 28 @ 8:15 PM EST
    #musedchat this site is really designed and easy to navigate. It's a good one to bookmark
    In reply to @skootergordon
  • TheStephenKeys Jan 28 @ 8:16 PM EST
    A1. It depends on the sub. I have a former band director who subs for me at times. They do band. For the others I try to do something other than worksheets and movies. Usually involve youtube items with questions. GO GOOGLE FORMS! #musedchat
  • BrandonDPeters Jan 28 @ 8:16 PM EST
    A1: Teaching Rhythm Logically rhythm sheets. When I was out last week for state music conference I had students write in the counts for 5 of these sheets. Helps me to know what to reteach. #musedchat
  • TheStephenKeys Jan 28 @ 8:17 PM EST
    A1.b. I am working on my plans. Hopefully soon I will make my sub plan folder public. Maybe during a snow day I can get it done. I think there is some good stuff in there. #musedchat
  • susan_turnquist Jan 28 @ 8:18 PM EST
    Q1: games. I like Cheryl Lavender's games such as Instrument Bingo. #musedchat
  • MrBMusicTeacher Jan 28 @ 8:18 PM EST
    Q2 most of your A1 answers are already leading me into Q2 which is what are the challenges when it comes to planning for a sub? #Musedchat
  • Muzzikkatt Jan 28 @ 8:19 PM EST
    #musedchat A1: Speaking from the sub side of things ... music Bingo really stinks! But tends to be k-6 fall back. 1/2
  • SchmutzerMusic Jan 28 @ 8:19 PM EST
    K-2 I made a sub tub and the subs usually choose a picture book related lesson. 3-5 I leave things written out. Since most subs don't have a music background I do a lot of partner work on those days. #musedchat
  • BrandonDPeters Jan 28 @ 8:19 PM EST
    A2: It’s great to have a few “band/music” subs on the list. When I can’t find them I try to have some leaders within the class that can keep the rehearsal/sectionals going. #musedchat
  • SchmutzerMusic Jan 28 @ 8:19 PM EST
    A2: If I'll have one! Sub shortages are rough. Most of the subs also have no music background so I have to leave things the kids can do independently. #musedchat
  • TheStephenKeys Jan 28 @ 8:19 PM EST
    A2. I had a sub who was in band during 6th grade. They thought it would be cool if the kids played. It was not. What we do is different than other subjects. Its hard. #musedchat
  • MrBMusicTeacher Jan 28 @ 8:19 PM EST
    #musedchat do you mark those sheets? How do you make sure students are not copying the "one kid" that knows all the answers?
    In reply to @BrandonDPeters
  • Muzzikkatt Jan 28 @ 8:20 PM EST
    #musedchat A1.2 But the listening plans or continue work as normal plans are so fantastic! Wish more were brave leaving these instead.
  • MsNietupski Jan 28 @ 8:20 PM EST
    #musedchat A2: staying productive in my absence while still being realistic.
  • SchmutzerMusic Jan 28 @ 8:20 PM EST
    A1: K-2 I made a sub tub and the subs usually choose a picture book related lesson. 3-5 I leave things written out. Since most subs don't have a music background I do a lot of partner work on those days. #musedchat
  • EEvansKircher Jan 28 @ 8:20 PM EST
    A2: they can’t figure out the tech setup, or think they can rewire things, or (my favorite) they dismiss my lesson entirely and do something else. #musedchat
    In reply to @MrBMusicTeacher
  • MrBMusicTeacher Jan 28 @ 8:22 PM EST
    A2 Trying to find a music teacher sub is next to impossible. Tho I did have one once, by utter fluke, and she told the class that I should have known that she was qualified to teach music and that I shouldn't of left theory work.... #Musedchat
  • jhallma_mused Jan 28 @ 8:22 PM EST
    A2: Firstly if they understand the lesson clearly, and are able to teach it. Secondly, if they even care to do your lesson. #musedchat
  • MrBMusicTeacher Jan 28 @ 8:22 PM EST
    #musedchat being realistic comes with time and experience I'm finding....
    In reply to @MsNietupski
  • BrandonDPeters Jan 28 @ 8:23 PM EST
    sub instructions indicate students are to work independently. Students are given the expectations before the absence as well. #musedchat
    In reply to @MrBMusicTeacher
  • Muzzikkatt Jan 28 @ 8:23 PM EST
    #musedchat A2: I took pictures of all techie type things & trained 2 students per class - hard if ab at begin of school year
  • MrBMusicTeacher Jan 28 @ 8:24 PM EST
    Q3 or more of a Q2b...in your region can you request particular subs or is it all random draw? #Musedchat
  • EEvansKircher Jan 28 @ 8:25 PM EST
    This is such a good idea! #musedchat
    In reply to @Muzzikkatt
  • MrBMusicTeacher Jan 28 @ 8:25 PM EST
    A3 In @ycdsb we can request a particular sub, so theoretically it is possible to request a music teacher for a sub. How I find the list of sub teachers and their qualifications I have no clue. #Musedchat
  • Muzzikkatt Jan 28 @ 8:26 PM EST
    #musedchat I even marketed self to area Music T to be put on their requested list. Not utilized enough. Market ideas?
    In reply to @MrBMusicTeacher
  • SchmutzerMusic Jan 28 @ 8:26 PM EST
    A3: Possible yes, but I usually don't. I'm just happy someone will take the job. #musedchat
  • Muzzikkatt Jan 28 @ 8:27 PM EST
    #musedchat Being early instead of just in time helps. Even had T email plans before ab.
    In reply to @jhallma_mused
  • EEvansKircher Jan 28 @ 8:27 PM EST
    A3: We have a list of requested subs who are called by the system, and a list of rejected subs who won’t be called for that job. I find my requested subs by word of mouth. #musedchat
    In reply to @MrBMusicTeacher, @ycdsb
  • MrBMusicTeacher Jan 28 @ 8:28 PM EST
    #musedchat Are subs hard to find in your region?
    In reply to @SchmutzerMusic
  • susan_turnquist Jan 28 @ 8:28 PM EST
    Q2: I never know who will be subbing. I've got a marvelous sub whos a pianist, but who I end up with is a crapshoot. So my plans are: if you are a music person do this, if not, do that. #musedchat
  • MrBMusicTeacher Jan 28 @ 8:30 PM EST
    @BrandonDPeters answer is now leading me to my next question which is Q4 How do you prep your students for an absence? #Musedchat
  • susan_turnquist Jan 28 @ 8:30 PM EST
    Q3: sort of. We're having a real sub shortage. #musedchat
  • TheStephenKeys Jan 28 @ 8:31 PM EST
    #musedchat Subs are afraid of our classes usually because of numbers. I have had many day where my request did not get filled. HArd on the other teacher.
  • BrandonDPeters Jan 28 @ 8:31 PM EST
    A4: Setting up consistent expectations from Day 1. No matter who is on the podium, students are expected to act accordingly. Allow student leaders to lead from time to time while you are present. #musedchat
  • susan_turnquist Jan 28 @ 8:32 PM EST
    Q3b: we have a music sub, but refuses to do elementary music. Grrr. #musedchat
  • MsNietupski Jan 28 @ 8:32 PM EST
    #musedchat A4: I try to train the JH kids to work in sectionals by having us hold some before I am gone. I walk around and monitor while letting them work independently. I do try to warn my classes when I will be gone.
  • SchmutzerMusic Jan 28 @ 8:33 PM EST
    A4: I let them know when/where I'm going and why. My expectations are to listen to whoever is there and be polite. If I get positive reports they earn a paw which helps us get all school rewards. If not, it's consequences for the next class. #musedchat
  • MrBMusicTeacher Jan 28 @ 8:34 PM EST
    #musedchat same here north of the border. Our board sent a memo last year that they were asking retired teachers if they want the work...
    In reply to @susan_turnquist
  • BandDirectorsA1 Jan 28 @ 8:34 PM EST
    I train my Ss early on to get used to Ss leading them in warm ups, songs, etc. My subs are enforcers and the kids run themselves. It took me a couple years to realize how productive they can be, especially when compared to death by worksheet and non-interested subs #musedchat
  • Muzzikkatt Jan 28 @ 8:34 PM EST
    #musedchat In MI most districts are using Edustff for sub work - Tt CAN request specific sub
    In reply to @MrBMusicTeacher
  • TaylorTevebaugh Jan 28 @ 8:34 PM EST
    Hello everyone. My name's Taylor Tevebaugh and I'm currently a music education major at UT Tyler in Tyler Texas.#MusEdChat
  • MrBMusicTeacher Jan 28 @ 8:35 PM EST
    #musedchat Completely agree. I'm trying to build on the Student leaders concept @FrBressaniBands so I can delegate and not try to do everything myself.....how does one build or start that concept?
    In reply to @BrandonDPeters, @FrBressaniBands
  • MrBMusicTeacher Jan 28 @ 8:36 PM EST
    Welcome to the family Taylor! #musedchat
    In reply to @TaylorTevebaugh
  • Muzzikkatt Jan 28 @ 8:36 PM EST
    #musedchat They don’t understand the bldg blocks of el mus vs perf groups music 😓
    In reply to @susan_turnquist
  • BandDirectorsA1 Jan 28 @ 8:36 PM EST
    #musedchat with younger Ss I have a post sub worksheet asking what they accomplished, who lead the best, and the kicker... who gave the sub the most problems....
  • BrandonDPeters Jan 28 @ 8:37 PM EST
    We started a leadership team with our 8th graders a few years ago and assigned specific tasks that they take care of daily/weekly. #musedchat
    In reply to @MrBMusicTeacher, @FrBressaniBands
  • Muzzikkatt Jan 28 @ 8:38 PM EST
    #musedchat Do Ss actually answer the kicker honestly or just use a scape goat?
    In reply to @BandDirectorsA1
  • MrBMusicTeacher Jan 28 @ 8:39 PM EST
    #musedchat Would you start with the entire program or with the beginners and then have them phase through the grades....
    In reply to @BrandonDPeters, @FrBressaniBands
  • Muzzikkatt Jan 28 @ 8:40 PM EST
    #musedchat A4: Best when there is a room reward in the near future. And great working relationships w ALL Ss.
  • skootergordon Jan 28 @ 8:40 PM EST
    A2: I don’t have music subs in my district, so if the class isn’t ready to lead themselves, I have an online assignment, we’re 1-1 Chromebooks. #Musedchat
    In reply to @MrBMusicTeacher
  • skootergordon Jan 28 @ 8:41 PM EST
    A3: A bit of a random draw. Small, rural corporation in a k12 building. I can request somebody over other subs though #Musedchat
    In reply to @MrBMusicTeacher
  • BrandonDPeters Jan 28 @ 8:43 PM EST
    I started it with the oldest students in the program. They are eager to serve when given a task. #musedchat
    In reply to @MrBMusicTeacher, @FrBressaniBands
  • BandDirectorsA1 Jan 28 @ 8:44 PM EST
    HaHa - ditto - I train a couple students on my sound system and video setup because I've had too many subs get confused/overwhelmed with trying to setup the technology. #musedchat
    In reply to @EEvansKircher, @Muzzikkatt
  • MrBMusicTeacher Jan 28 @ 8:44 PM EST
    Q6 ( think 🤔) what is your worst horror story a. as a sub b. coming back from a sub day? #Musedchat
  • skootergordon Jan 28 @ 8:45 PM EST
    A6: found out a sub had gotten into my office and fell asleep for most of the day. Another day, came back to find out a kid had messed with a personal instrument, then lied about it. Sub wasn’t 1 much longer and that kid got the boot 4 lying. #Musedchat
    In reply to @MrBMusicTeacher
  • MrBMusicTeacher Jan 28 @ 8:46 PM EST
    A6 Not a horror story but a story none the less. I was in the hospital a day after my first child was born and I got a text from a student (not sure how he found my number) If I really expected them to finish all of the theory package.... #Musedchat
  • skootergordon Jan 28 @ 8:47 PM EST
    A4: do my best to let them know in advance (dr appointment), give them a list of what needs to be worked on and I check it when I get back. Helps keep them all accountable. #Musedchat
    In reply to @MrBMusicTeacher, @BrandonDPeters
  • BandDirectorsA1 Jan 28 @ 8:47 PM EST
    #musedchat A6 - I think we've all had at least one episode of well layed out sub plans sitting on a podium/desk that the sub "couldn't find" so they told the kids to have silent reading time or something to that affect..... $%^&*(
  • SchmutzerMusic Jan 28 @ 8:49 PM EST
    A6: I would frequently sub in special ed for one particular person or as a para. There were a LOT of situations that I had to tap out for, but one in particular involved a kid being ummm... calming himself in the calm down room. #musedchat
  • SchmutzerMusic Jan 28 @ 8:51 PM EST
    My favorite sub day was when a HS asked to go to the bathroom and came back with a rabbit. I taught the rest of the 45 minute class holding a rabbit because I couldn't figure out what else to do without giving in to him. #musedchat
  • SchmutzerMusic Jan 28 @ 8:52 PM EST
    A6: My favorite sub day was when a HS asked to go to the bathroom and came back with a rabbit. I taught the rest of the 45 minute class holding a rabbit because I couldn't figure out what else to do without giving in to him. #musedchat
  • Muzzikkatt Jan 28 @ 8:52 PM EST
    #musedchat A6: Long term cellist Sub in use most of the time tuning beg band Tbn. & my best pair of snare sticks to beat time on stand
  • Muzzikkatt Jan 28 @ 8:53 PM EST
    #musedchat I was on maternity leave 🥴
    In reply to @Muzzikkatt
  • MrBMusicTeacher Jan 28 @ 8:54 PM EST
    Our Gr 12s released chickens in the cafe during my lunch duty and I actually caught two of them LOL #musedchat
    In reply to @SchmutzerMusic
  • MrBMusicTeacher Jan 28 @ 8:56 PM EST
    With that our #musedchat is done for tonight. Thanks to all who participated! Stay warm my friends.