#musedchat Archive

Each Monday evening at 8PM EST, music teachers get together and share ideas about important topics within music education. It’s a great chance to interact directly with educators from all over the world and to get new tips and tricks to help you succeed in the classroom. The entire #musedchat discussion is organized and moderated by Joe Guarr.

Monday September 24, 2018
8:00 PM EDT

  • MrsMurat Sep 24 @ 8:00 PM EDT
    Have a couple minutes to give our #DigCit student blogs feedback on the results of us Googling ourselves? Thank you! Please RT. https://t.co/KrEbQ144Kj #masspchat #musedchat
  • BoardShare Sep 24 @ 8:00 PM EDT
    Tonara – Connecting Music Teachers and Students in and out of the Classroom https://t.co/PiB3kFQKvz @EmergingEdTech #edapps #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Sep 24 @ 8:01 PM EDT
    Good evening and welcome to #musedchat. Our topic tonight: micropolitics in music education. Be sure to introduce yourself! #musiced
  • MrAband Sep 24 @ 8:02 PM EDT
    George from IL - 6th/8th Grade Band & Jazz Band #musedchat
  • SarahMJoncas Sep 24 @ 8:02 PM EDT
    Hi #musedchat! I'm Sarah, k-5 music/band/chorus/Orff ensemble in Massachusetts
  • ochoajon8 Sep 24 @ 8:02 PM EDT
    Jon k5 general music in dearborn,mi great to be here learning #MusEdchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Sep 24 @ 8:03 PM EDT
    Good to see you George, how are you tonight? #musedchat
    In reply to @MrAband
  • jguarr - Moderator Sep 24 @ 8:03 PM EDT
    Good evening to you Jon, welcome. Hope you're doing well. #musedchat
    In reply to @ochoajon8
  • edujessication Sep 24 @ 8:04 PM EDT
    Jessica from Texas, loving every minute of K-5 general music! #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Sep 24 @ 8:04 PM EDT
    Hi Jessica, sounds like your year is off to a great start. #musedchat
    In reply to @edujessication
  • BenCacioppo Sep 24 @ 8:05 PM EDT
    Hi! I'm Ben, freshman music ed major at Grove City College. Looking forward to learning a lot from these sessions! #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Sep 24 @ 8:06 PM EDT
    Welcome to the chat Ben, glad you could join us tonight. #musedchat
    In reply to @BenCacioppo
  • BrandonDPeters Sep 24 @ 8:06 PM EDT
    Brandon, middle school band director from Birmingham, Alabama #musedchat
  • harlahbar Sep 24 @ 8:07 PM EDT
    Alaba Ilesanmi, a senior at the University of Texas at Tyler. #musedchat #edfb4338
  • SamuelFritz Sep 24 @ 8:07 PM EDT
    Sam Fritz from Greenwood In 6-8 Band #musedchat
  • MrsKapsInChoir Sep 24 @ 8:07 PM EDT
    Hi #musedchat Kari 5-8 choir teacher from Illinois. Glad to be with you tonight!
  • jguarr - Moderator Sep 24 @ 8:07 PM EDT
    Good to see you Brandon, welcome #musedchat
    In reply to @BrandonDPeters
  • jguarr - Moderator Sep 24 @ 8:08 PM EDT
    Welcome to the chat, Alaba. Glad you could join us. #musedchat
    In reply to @harlahbar
  • jguarr - Moderator Sep 24 @ 8:08 PM EDT
    Hi Sam, how are things with you? #musedchat
    In reply to @SamuelFritz
  • jarvelamused Sep 24 @ 8:08 PM EDT
    Adam from NJ. Happy Monday! #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Sep 24 @ 8:08 PM EDT
    Glad you could join us Kari, welcome #musedchat
    In reply to @MrsKapsInChoir
  • jguarr - Moderator Sep 24 @ 8:08 PM EDT
    Hope you're doing well tonight Adam, hello #musedchat
    In reply to @jarvelamused
  • jguarr - Moderator Sep 24 @ 8:08 PM EDT
    Q1 coming shortly #musedchat
  • rebelmusicteach Sep 24 @ 8:09 PM EDT
    Emily, middle school band & chorus in Palm Beach County, FL. Will negotiate between here & bedtime. #musedchat
  • sarahnorabeauty Sep 24 @ 8:09 PM EDT
    #musedchat
    In reply to @jguarr
  • DocStrong26 Sep 24 @ 8:09 PM EDT
    Missy, general and choral K-4 in South Jersey! #musedchat
  • miss_baumeister Sep 24 @ 8:09 PM EDT
    Brittany, middle school vocal music teacher in Bucks County, PA! #musedchat
  • jarvelamused Sep 24 @ 8:10 PM EDT
    A fine Monday so far! Hope all is well. #musedchat
    In reply to @jguarr
  • jguarr - Moderator Sep 24 @ 8:10 PM EDT
    Hi Missy, welcome! #musedchat
    In reply to @DocStrong26
  • jguarr - Moderator Sep 24 @ 8:10 PM EDT
    Great to see you Britanny #musedchat
    In reply to @miss_baumeister
  • MsKeeneFineArts Sep 24 @ 8:10 PM EDT
    Hello, #musedchat I’m Sarah and I teach band (choir and theatre) in Texas! Grades 6-12
  • jguarr - Moderator Sep 24 @ 8:10 PM EDT
    Welcome to the chat Sarah, glad to have you with us #musedchat
    In reply to @MsKeeneFineArts
  • jguarr - Moderator Sep 24 @ 8:11 PM EDT
    Q1: What are some of the political forces at play within the school setting? #musedchat
  • randyvoisinet Sep 24 @ 8:11 PM EDT
    Checking in from MI, 6-12 band. #musedchat
  • harlahbar Sep 24 @ 8:14 PM EDT
    Hey Sarah, I haven't actually seen an Orff Ensemble perform. Do you have any resources you can recommend? #musedchat #edfb4338
  • jarvelamused Sep 24 @ 8:14 PM EDT
    Like, Red v Blue? or "Adam and Blake never get along and bicker over team members"? #musedchat
    In reply to @jguarr
  • jguarr - Moderator Sep 24 @ 8:16 PM EDT
    Could be. Doesn't necessarily need to be something with a negative connotation either. #musedchat
    In reply to @jarvelamused
  • jguarr - Moderator Sep 24 @ 8:16 PM EDT
    A1: In the band world, the thing that immediately springs to mind is booster groups. #musedchat
  • randyvoisinet Sep 24 @ 8:16 PM EDT
    A1 So much at th HS level. Funding, scheduling, parsing of attention...gets exhausting at times #musedchat
  • SarahMJoncas Sep 24 @ 8:17 PM EDT
    A1: Funding, community values, traditions #musedchat
  • yourfavmusicT Sep 24 @ 8:18 PM EDT
    Sara from IL checking in after a long absence. Finally able to catch the chat again! #musedchat
  • miss_baumeister Sep 24 @ 8:18 PM EDT
    A1: This is a hard one! In the MS level, scheduling is the main one that comes to mind. #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Sep 24 @ 8:18 PM EDT
    Scheduling is a HUGE one, holy cow. #musedchat
    In reply to @randyvoisinet
  • BrandonDPeters Sep 24 @ 8:18 PM EDT
    A1: Scheduling, Community Expectations, Funding. #musedchat
  • SamuelFritz Sep 24 @ 8:18 PM EDT
    A1: keeping all your programs fully functional and funded. #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Sep 24 @ 8:18 PM EDT
    Welcome back! #musedchat
    In reply to @yourfavmusicT
  • rebelmusicteach Sep 24 @ 8:18 PM EDT
    A1: SCHEDULING #musedchat
  • ochoajon8 Sep 24 @ 8:19 PM EDT
    A1 in the ES music room, not much politics. Parents r interested in what the Ss r excited about. Many parents had in music in the same room as their Ss do now #MusEdchat
  • jarvelamused Sep 24 @ 8:19 PM EDT
    SCHEDULING is the biggest, like so big. Many fine people tell me every day how BIG scheduling is. #musedchat
  • TheStephenKeys Sep 24 @ 8:19 PM EDT
    Hey gang. Stephen from KY jumping in late. #musedchat
  • musichollie Sep 24 @ 8:20 PM EDT
    Hollie- elementary music and chorus in Lancaster, PA. A1- cliques of teachers that exclude others and politics between admin, classroom teachers, and “specialists” #musedchat
  • SarahMJoncas Sep 24 @ 8:20 PM EDT
    Yep I forgot this one... such a force to be reckoned with #musedchat
    In reply to @rebelmusicteach
  • yourfavmusicT Sep 24 @ 8:20 PM EDT
    A1: In the Elementary world now constantly making sure to choose repertoire that represents everyone within a religiously and culturally diverse community. #musedchat
  • rebelmusicteach Sep 24 @ 8:20 PM EDT
    Every single director in Florida I’ve spoken to tells me that scheduling is the biggest problem on the secondary level. #musedchat
    In reply to @miss_baumeister
  • TheStephenKeys Sep 24 @ 8:21 PM EDT
    A1. Great answers from everyone. I believe that most people dont understand what we do. They try to make it the same as science or math class. We are different and have different needs. #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Sep 24 @ 8:21 PM EDT
    I've heard so many horror stories about bad counseling departments, not even attempting to schedule well for the arts. #musedchat
    In reply to @rebelmusicteach
  • jguarr - Moderator Sep 24 @ 8:23 PM EDT
    Q2: With so many different groups, some with different goals, what are the most critical things we can do to maintain good collegial relationships? #musedchat
  • sarahnorabeauty Sep 24 @ 8:23 PM EDT
    #A1 i would definitely say that being in a right to work state influences our school political environments. #musedchat
    In reply to @jguarr
  • TheStephenKeys Sep 24 @ 8:23 PM EDT
    A1B. And yes scheduling is a big one. I am blessed with administration who try their best. Keep chipping away. #musedchat
  • yourfavmusicT Sep 24 @ 8:23 PM EDT
    In my former position guidance counselors refused to let honors Ss take band or orchestra in hs because they “needed” a supervised study hall more. #musedchat
    In reply to @jguarr, @rebelmusicteach
  • yourfavmusicT Sep 24 @ 8:24 PM EDT
    A2: Listen to others and try to understand the big picture. #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Sep 24 @ 8:24 PM EDT
    Ooh, good point. It might be a subtle influence, but it definitely impacts how teachers carry themselves. #musedchat
    In reply to @sarahnorabeauty
  • randyvoisinet Sep 24 @ 8:24 PM EDT
    #musedchat Right on, every now and them I’m asked if it would be ok if beginning band kids only had like half a year of class, like some first semester then no band until the next year.
    In reply to @TheStephenKeys
  • SarahMJoncas Sep 24 @ 8:25 PM EDT
    A2: clear, frequent, polite communication is really important. Asking questions can help more than dictating mandates. Also pick your battles #musedchat
  • edujessication Sep 24 @ 8:25 PM EDT
    A2: talk to each other! #communication #musedchat
    • jguarr - Moderator Sep 24 @ 8:23 PM EDT
      Q2: With so many different groups, some with different goals, what are the most critical things we can do to maintain good collegial relationships? #musedchat
  • BrandonDPeters Sep 24 @ 8:25 PM EDT
    A2: Realize your program is not the only thing on campus and be a team player. Genuinely support the other activities happening at your school. #musedchat
  • musichollie Sep 24 @ 8:25 PM EDT
    A2- do a book study with your colleagues. If admin doesn’t want to lead, you lead. Choose a book for everyone- I like #Culturize. Remind all that you are all there for the kids-and each other. #musedchat
  • randyvoisinet Sep 24 @ 8:26 PM EDT
    My A2 also, gotta pick spots. And be willing to compromise at times. #musedchat
    In reply to @SarahMJoncas
  • jguarr - Moderator Sep 24 @ 8:26 PM EDT
    A2: Focus on common goals when possible. Find ways to collaborate, even if it's just discussing students you share #musedchat
  • miss_baumeister Sep 24 @ 8:27 PM EDT
    A2: COMMUNICATE and realize that our colleagues are as passionate about their ensembles as we are ours. #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Sep 24 @ 8:27 PM EDT
    Music tends to do a great job of publicly supporting other activities. Theater, athletics via pep band, repping the district in parades, etc. #musedchat
    In reply to @BrandonDPeters
  • ochoajon8 Sep 24 @ 8:27 PM EDT
    A2 find a PLN who u trust n can help support u. Work w respect n try n understand others thinking #MusEdchat
  • TheStephenKeys Sep 24 @ 8:27 PM EDT
    A2. Remember that you are a part of the whole. Everyone must work together. There has to be some give and take. Do get taken advantage of, but also dont be over demanding. #musedchat
  • sarahnorabeauty Sep 24 @ 8:28 PM EDT
    #A2 I think that demonstrating how you think students should interact with each other is important and respecting colleagues/building relationships with them especially in front of other students is the way to do that. #musedchat
    In reply to @jguarr
  • SamuelFritz Sep 24 @ 8:28 PM EDT
    A2: play nice as much as possible. Before dismissing initiatives saying “these don’t fit” bit “how can we make them work?” Perfect example is PLC we have some accomplished some amazing things by “buying in” #musedchat
  • MrsKapsInChoir Sep 24 @ 8:28 PM EDT
    A2 #musedchat Help out (with events, sharing students, etc.) when you can reasonably do so! Open communication goes along with this.
  • MrBMusicTeacher Sep 24 @ 8:29 PM EDT
    #musedchat Antoine Buttigieg here from Woodbridge Ontario Canada HS instrumental music teacher MB and drumline director of the @FrBressaniBands.
  • MrBMusicTeacher Sep 24 @ 8:30 PM EDT
    #musedchat A1 Pride and ego
  • cpuderbaugh1 Sep 24 @ 8:30 PM EDT
    A2: Attending and supporting coworkers’ activities and events like we would with Ss, and extending kindness and encouragement in the same way we do with Ss. #musedchat
    • jguarr - Moderator Sep 24 @ 8:23 PM EDT
      Q2: With so many different groups, some with different goals, what are the most critical things we can do to maintain good collegial relationships? #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Sep 24 @ 8:32 PM EDT
    Q3: Has your advocacy for your students/program ever caused friction with another entity in your school? How do you manage such a situation? #musedchat
  • Muzzikkatt Sep 24 @ 8:34 PM EDT
    Better late and catch up! Kathy MI K-8 General music and band #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Sep 24 @ 8:34 PM EDT
    Hi Kathy, welcome! #musedchat
    In reply to @Muzzikkatt
  • SarahMJoncas Sep 24 @ 8:35 PM EDT
    A3: yes, schedule conflicts are always a part of music teacher life. I speak to individuals involved directly, then run it by admin if necessary. Boundaries are good and it's possible to be firm and kind without apologizing for having them #musedchat
  • sarahnorabeauty Sep 24 @ 8:35 PM EDT
    A3: something that has happened is conflicting fundraisers. A lot of times I cannot do fundraisers that are being done schoolwide throughout the year. We are pretty limited as to what fundraisers we are allowed to do too. #musedchat
    In reply to @jguarr
  • TheStephenKeys Sep 24 @ 8:35 PM EDT
    A3. Yes. You have to explain that your job is to promote and defend your program and your students. If done the right way it will work out. #musedchat
  • ochoajon8 Sep 24 @ 8:36 PM EDT
    A3 had other Ts let Ss skip music to finish classwork or help them in the classroom. Let the other Ts know my class was not optional, admin supported. Same Ts tried to let whole class skip a concert. Admin stepped in w full support #MusEdchat
  • rebelmusicteach Sep 24 @ 8:36 PM EDT
    Let me say, my school does a wonderful job with my schedule, and so it makes my life that much easier. #musedchat
  • MrBMusicTeacher Sep 24 @ 8:36 PM EDT
    A2 Remeber that it is all about the kids. We need to put political and petty disagreements aside. #musedchat
  • yourfavmusicT Sep 24 @ 8:36 PM EDT
    A3: This happened this year with scheduling pull-outs. It took a collegial one on one conversation and some give and take on both sides. #musedchat
  • BrandonDPeters Sep 24 @ 8:37 PM EDT
    A3: Try to release performance schedules as early as possible. Conflicts aren’t totally unavoidable but planning ahead does help. #musedchat
  • SarahMJoncas Sep 24 @ 8:37 PM EDT
    I got to help make my schedule this year and it was glorious to be able to find and fix little errors before they were public #musedchat
    In reply to @rebelmusicteach
  • jguarr - Moderator Sep 24 @ 8:37 PM EDT
    A3: Yes, without giving too many details, I was very outspoken about a scheduling thing a few years ago. Had to calm down, go through proper channels, offer potential solutions #musedchat
  • rebelmusicteach Sep 24 @ 8:38 PM EDT
    SIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGGGGGHHHHHH #thanksrickscott #musedchat
    In reply to @sarahnorabeauty, @jguarr
  • jguarr - Moderator Sep 24 @ 8:39 PM EDT
    Rick Snyder too. What is it with guys named Rick? #musedchat
    In reply to @rebelmusicteach, @sarahnorabeauty
  • MrBMusicTeacher Sep 24 @ 8:39 PM EDT
    A3 with a small school I always have kids who are involved w athletics or councils. I ask them before if they understand the commitment to our ensembles and for them to communicate with their coach/advisor if it's possible 2do both. If they can't they need to decide. #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Sep 24 @ 8:44 PM EDT
    Q4: What environmental/political factors do you see as supports to the music program? Hindrances? #musedchat
  • SarahMJoncas Sep 24 @ 8:45 PM EDT
    A4: funding (and booster groups) can be a support or hinderance. Scheduling can also help/hurt depending. Traditions can hinder music programs moving forward if they're too resistant to change #musedchat
  • randyvoisinet Sep 24 @ 8:45 PM EDT
    #musedchat This always drives me nuts. Everyone seems to think everything will work out fine, oh no conflicts. Then there is a meet or game the day of an event. So bad for the kids to be tugged around.
    In reply to @MrBMusicTeacher
  • yourfavmusicT Sep 24 @ 8:46 PM EDT
    A4: It helps that people love music performances at school and community events. Plus, a strong fine arts program is a great bragging point for Superintendents. #musedchat
  • rebelmusicteach Sep 24 @ 8:46 PM EDT
    A3: Last school, I was so upset about the county pulling funding out from under us for All-County Band. I sent an email to parents about “raising a stink” and I got in big trouble. Yeesh. #musedchat
    • jguarr - Moderator Sep 24 @ 8:32 PM EDT
      Q3: Has your advocacy for your students/program ever caused friction with another entity in your school? How do you manage such a situation? #musedchat
  • BrandonDPeters Sep 24 @ 8:47 PM EDT
    A4: I could not do what I do without the support of parent groups. They handle all fundraising and do not encroach on decisions that should be left up to the director. #musedchat
  • MrBMusicTeacher Sep 24 @ 8:48 PM EDT
    I try to arrange events in advance. I ask our athletic director to make our concert days a no play day for the regular season. Playoffs it's a different story. It's not perfect but we get minimal conflicts. #musedchat
    In reply to @randyvoisinet
  • randyvoisinet Sep 24 @ 8:48 PM EDT
    A4. So key to have someone in admin that really gets it. I’ve found those that played or sang through HS or have kids that did see the big picture the best. #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Sep 24 @ 8:48 PM EDT
    Parent influence can definitely be a powerful ally though. It's a fine line to walk. #musedchat
    In reply to @rebelmusicteach
  • ochoajon8 Sep 24 @ 8:49 PM EDT
    A4 parents, other teachers n the school community r the biggest support. Parents n Ts love seeing n hear what the Ss do #MusEdchat
  • themusicweaver Sep 24 @ 8:49 PM EDT
    Brad, K-5 elementary music checking in late :) #musedchat
  • harlahbar Sep 24 @ 8:49 PM EDT
    Hey Sarah, I'm from Texas too. Where in Texas are you from? #musedchat #edfb4338
    In reply to @MsKeeneFineArts
  • jguarr - Moderator Sep 24 @ 8:50 PM EDT
    A5: Having admins who trust you, and trust your judgement, has been my biggest support. I feel empowered to make my own decisions, within reason #musedchat
  • edujessication Sep 24 @ 8:51 PM EDT
    A4: our PTA has been super helpful to us the past two years. I don't know how our musical would have happened without parent help. This year, they're helping us get sponsors and we have room mom's to help with our required bulletin boards #musedchat #blessthePTA
  • themusicweaver Sep 24 @ 8:51 PM EDT
    A1) There can be many different political forces at play in a school setting such as funding, administrative support and experience, scheduling. #musedchat
  • yourfavmusicT Sep 24 @ 8:52 PM EDT
    A5.b Ran into a hindrance in my last year with outside corporations and foundations that funded the school with large $. The district began giving them a say in what and how things were taught. #musedchat
  • themusicweaver Sep 24 @ 8:53 PM EDT
    A2) Being respectful of other academic areas and understanding that ALL teachers have a deep passion for what they teach...Being able to negotiate professionally with other colleagues can be a very valuable skill in establishing your goals. #musedchat
  • rebelmusicteach Sep 24 @ 8:53 PM EDT
    A4: My professional community is my biggest source of support. Without my local PLN, I’d be lost. (My twitter PLN is helpful, too. 😉) #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Sep 24 @ 8:54 PM EDT
    Public or private school? #musedchat
    In reply to @yourfavmusicT
  • themusicweaver Sep 24 @ 8:54 PM EDT
    A3) You know, honestly, I have been very blessed in this area.. #musedchat
  • themusicweaver Sep 24 @ 8:55 PM EDT
    A4) The overall support of the Fine Arts in your local community is often a supporting factor in developing a strong program. #musedchat
  • themusicweaver Sep 24 @ 8:56 PM EDT
    A5) Yep! I completely agree @jguarr #musedchat
    • jguarr - Moderator Sep 24 @ 8:50 PM EDT
      A5: Having admins who trust you, and trust your judgement, has been my biggest support. I feel empowered to make my own decisions, within reason #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Sep 24 @ 8:57 PM EDT
    Quick Q5: What advice would you give to new teachers who are attempting to navigate school politics for the first time? #musedchat
  • SarahMJoncas Sep 24 @ 8:59 PM EDT
    a5: listen more than you talk and assume positive intent until you know otherwise #musedchat
  • GrubersOrch Sep 24 @ 8:59 PM EDT
    R5: Be nice but stand firm for your kids and your progeam’s needs #musedchat
    • jguarr - Moderator Sep 24 @ 8:57 PM EDT
      Quick Q5: What advice would you give to new teachers who are attempting to navigate school politics for the first time? #musedchat
  • ochoajon8 Sep 24 @ 8:59 PM EDT
    A5 find vet Ts u trust in ur school. Make ur presence in the school known to Ss #MusEdchat
  • BrandonDPeters Sep 24 @ 8:59 PM EDT
    A5: Be a good listener in all situations, doesn’t mean you have to agree with everything but hear people out. #musedchat