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Mallrat_uk Sep 12 @ 3:00 PM EDT

Does anyone know if they have changed mark schemes for A2 biology 25 mark essay? Thought I saw new banding criteria. #asechat #aqa @AQA

hrogerson Sep 12 @ 3:01 PM EDT

What have your department decided to do with the least able? #asechat

ViciaScience Sep 12 @ 3:02 PM EDT

@hrogerson are you being specific about age ranges? #asechat

r_brooks1 Sep 12 @ 3:02 PM EDT

My reflections on #rED16 https://t.co/S1AdUWEhdq Please RT and Share #ResearchED #ResearchED2016 #asechat

A_Weatherall - Moderator Sep 12 @ 3:03 PM EDT

Put em in a grammar school #asechat https://t.co/oytzLXlWfJ

hrogerson Sep 12 @ 2:55 PM EDT

Topic this evening: what to do with the least able at GCSE? Starts in 5 minutes. #asechat

hrogerson Sep 12 @ 3:03 PM EDT

@ViciaScience the topic says GCSE, but I know a few people are thinking of intervening a lot earlier. #asechat

hrogerson Sep 12 @ 3:04 PM EDT

I reckon it's important to keep them enthused. Comment only marking? #asechat

r_brooks1 Sep 12 @ 3:06 PM EDT

@hrogerson Use @educake by @charleydarbi for knowledge recall, basic understanding and calculation practice - good for homework #asechat

ViciaScience Sep 12 @ 3:06 PM EDT

@hrogerson Of course. As with all learners find out where they are and adapt teaching appropriately #ASEChat

doc_kristy Sep 12 @ 3:06 PM EDT

@hrogerson @ViciaScience do we mean lowest achievers? What kind of range? Below 'old C'? #asechat

r_brooks1 Sep 12 @ 3:07 PM EDT

@hrogerson Use question-level analysis #QLA to choose which students go to which intervention sessions. Get staff to deliver 1/2 #asechat

hrogerson Sep 12 @ 3:07 PM EDT

.@doc_kristy @ViciaScience I think really the question is about kids who used to do BTEC. What to do with them? #asechat

teacherchalky1 Sep 12 @ 3:07 PM EDT

@hrogerson Unfortunately due to the progress 8 baskets, we've been told that they have to do GCSE #asechat

r_brooks1 Sep 12 @ 3:07 PM EDT

@hrogerson the intervention session they are most comfortable with delivering to maximise success 2/2 #asechat

r_brooks1 Sep 12 @ 3:08 PM EDT

@hrogerson Practice calculation questions, such as those in my blog posts https://t.co/Y8jrJkFCjc for P1 calculations 1/3 #asechat

ViciaScience Sep 12 @ 3:08 PM EDT

@hrogerson @doc_kristy Just teach them science? GCSE is a qualification not a course #ASEChat

doc_kristy Sep 12 @ 3:08 PM EDT

@hrogerson @ViciaScience we don't have a BTEC intake at current sch but I have heard most locally are going to double award F paper #asechat

gregtheseal Sep 12 @ 3:08 PM EDT

@hrogerson @ViciaScience I am thinking new gcse and no more btec. #asechat

r_brooks1 Sep 12 @ 3:08 PM EDT

@hrogerson for P2 calculations https://t.co/YM62qx6ZK7 2/3 #asechat

hrogerson Sep 12 @ 3:08 PM EDT

@teacherchalky1 yes, will you do entry level and just put them in for the exam and hope? #asechat

r_brooks1 Sep 12 @ 3:09 PM EDT

@hrogerson and this general blog post on GCSE Science numeracy questions https://t.co/8GsNNsKXZF 3/3 #asechat

r_brooks1 Sep 12 @ 3:09 PM EDT

@hrogerson A booklet to help practise quantitative chemistry for C2 #asechat

doc_kristy Sep 12 @ 3:09 PM EDT

@hrogerson I use a lot of comment only marking now, the numbers detract from the learning quite often #asechat

r_brooks1 Sep 12 @ 3:09 PM EDT

@hrogerson All resources available on @googledrive for students and parents to access freely #asechat

hrogerson Sep 12 @ 3:10 PM EDT

Death of BTEC. I don't necessarily think it's a terrible thing. #asechat

teacherchalky1 Sep 12 @ 3:10 PM EDT

@hrogerson The exam and hope at the moment, what level can they achieve in an entry level exam? #asechat

massignmenthelp Sep 12 @ 3:10 PM EDT

6 Emerging Education Technologies https://t.co/h2R5Lg4Aur #asechat

r_brooks1 Sep 12 @ 3:10 PM EDT

@hrogerson Revision links (such as @BBC Bitesize), @UKScienceguy 's free science lessons for @AQA all on a single side of A4 #asechat

ViciaScience Sep 12 @ 3:11 PM EDT

@doc_kristy @hrogerson And I suggest until a few groups have gone through GCSE, numbers are meaningless guesses? #ASEChat

teacherchalky1 Sep 12 @ 3:11 PM EDT

@ViciaScience @hrogerson @doc_kristy The problem is that the school will be judged on the outcome in an exam #asechat

hrogerson Sep 12 @ 3:11 PM EDT

@teacherchalky1 I think it's up to grade 3. I don't know if it counts for progress 8 on its own. #asechat

ViciaScience Sep 12 @ 3:12 PM EDT

@hrogerson Agreed at L1/2 but we do need a range of L3 courses, not just A level #ASEChat

r_brooks1 Sep 12 @ 3:12 PM EDT

@hrogerson Using a visualiser, e.g @ipevo to model answering exam questions in real time as mentioned by @johntomsett at #rED16 #asechat

LessonToolbox Sep 12 @ 3:12 PM EDT

Learning progression map for atomic structure lesson. Editable dwnld -> https://t.co/b3p7MD70zU #asechat #ukedchat https://t.co/AiBN8co63Y

cleverfiend Sep 12 @ 3:12 PM EDT

@teacherchalky1 @hrogerson the new govt freedoms on Entry level come just as all boards launched the new science entry levels. #asechat

gregtheseal Sep 12 @ 3:12 PM EDT

@ViciaScience @hrogerson @doc_kristy #asechat teach a spiral from y1

hrogerson Sep 12 @ 3:12 PM EDT

This was a possible route mentioned by an exam board. #asechat https://t.co/kl0N7TiM7T

ljrn42 Sep 12 @ 3:11 PM EDT

@ViciaScience @hrogerson @doc_kristy yes we are using #entry level this year for our weakest and hoping it will be continued next year

doc_kristy Sep 12 @ 3:12 PM EDT

@hrogerson BTEC was a sticking plaster over wider problems and limited opportunities for many kids, also a time sucker for teachers #asechat

r_brooks1 Sep 12 @ 3:13 PM EDT

@hrogerson using @pixlscience #pixlscience #walkingtalkingmocks #asechat @AJTF71

ViciaScience Sep 12 @ 3:13 PM EDT

@teacherchalky1 @hrogerson @doc_kristy Absolutely agree, but we have to do what is best for pupils too #ASEChat

teacherchalky1 Sep 12 @ 3:13 PM EDT

@hrogerson if they can't achieve a 5 I don't think I'd be able to sell it to SLT #asechat

r_brooks1 Sep 12 @ 3:13 PM EDT

@hrogerson @ViciaScience Yes #intervention strategies are key from start of secondary school, possibly earlier? #asechat

hrogerson Sep 12 @ 3:13 PM EDT

@r_brooks1 do you find this helps students go from G>F>E? #asechat

teacherchalky1 Sep 12 @ 3:14 PM EDT

@ViciaScience @hrogerson @doc_kristy I agree but the inspection framework needs to change to reflect this #asechat

NeedhamL56 - Moderator Sep 12 @ 3:14 PM EDT

@missturnerwbs those pics are from what I called a microdot kit, support students to actually find something down microscope! #asechat

r_brooks1 Sep 12 @ 3:14 PM EDT

@teacherchalky1 @hrogerson Yes, they can still do the #BTEC as Pearson offer this but doesn't count in P8 #asechat

hrogerson Sep 12 @ 3:15 PM EDT

Or maybe level 2 quals aimed at 16-19 year olds to give them opportunities? #asechat https://t.co/nwLIXNciY2

ViciaScience Sep 12 @ 3:12 PM EDT

@hrogerson Agreed at L1/2 but we do need a range of L3 courses, not just A level #ASEChat

doc_kristy Sep 12 @ 3:15 PM EDT

@r_brooks1 @hrogerson @ViciaScience and often aren't science specific, low achievers can be that way across the board #asechat

r_brooks1 Sep 12 @ 3:15 PM EDT

@doc_kristy @hrogerson @ViciaScience Yes and important not to necessarily enter for higher because boundaries are lower, 1/2 #asechat

AssignmentHelpN Sep 12 @ 3:15 PM EDT

Top 5 Emerging EdTech Trends you Must Know in 2016 https://t.co/wcA1uc9Rvu #asechat

teacherchalky1 Sep 12 @ 3:15 PM EDT

@r_brooks1 @hrogerson @BBC @UKScienceguy @AQA Have you thought about sending stuff out through tightly controlled social media #asechat

NeedhamL56 - Moderator Sep 12 @ 3:15 PM EDT

.@teacherchalky1 @hrogerson everyone’s ‘points’ count look at the progress they’ve made. #ECM not about attainment #asechat

r_brooks1 Sep 12 @ 3:16 PM EDT

@doc_kristy @hrogerson @ViciaScience sometimes the sci depts model when the maths depts do this (entering students for higher) 2/2 #asechat

cleverfiend Sep 12 @ 3:16 PM EDT

@doc_kristy @hrogerson @ViciaScience number of hours in exams is a huge issue for some students too! #asechat

r_brooks1 Sep 12 @ 3:16 PM EDT

I agree #asechat https://t.co/HvB38nloqJ

doc_kristy Sep 12 @ 3:09 PM EDT

@hrogerson I use a lot of comment only marking now, the numbers detract from the learning quite often #asechat

26Tim Sep 12 @ 3:16 PM EDT

Looking at a combo of alternative routes eg asdan. #asechat

teacherchalky1 Sep 12 @ 3:17 PM EDT

@r_brooks1 @hrogerson That's the problem, Ss who did Science BTEC will probably be doing other BTECs #asechat

NeedhamL56 - Moderator Sep 12 @ 3:17 PM EDT

@teacherchalky1 @ViciaScience @hrogerson @doc_kristy Think about progress cf. attainment #asechat all can achieve

hrogerson Sep 12 @ 3:17 PM EDT

Yes, imagine having 50-100% extra time in the new GCSE? Nightmare. #asechat https://t.co/9gyx9pMkch

cleverfiend Sep 12 @ 3:16 PM EDT

@doc_kristy @hrogerson @ViciaScience number of hours in exams is a huge issue for some students too! #asechat

r_brooks1 Sep 12 @ 3:17 PM EDT

@hrogerson I know we are focussing on GCSE but the Level 3 BTEC is a good course #asechat

doc_kristy Sep 12 @ 3:17 PM EDT

@cleverfiend @hrogerson @ViciaScience yes massively, the assessment time for science is huge #asechat

r_brooks1 Sep 12 @ 3:17 PM EDT

@ViciaScience @doc_kristy @hrogerson And this is what sci depts across the country will be struggling with for the next few years! #asechat

r_brooks1 Sep 12 @ 3:18 PM EDT

This looks great! #asechat https://t.co/6zSZIjIWRi

LessonToolbox Sep 12 @ 3:12 PM EDT

Learning progression map for atomic structure lesson. Editable dwnld -> https://t.co/b3p7MD70zU #asechat #ukedchat https://t.co/AiBN8co63Y

gregtheseal Sep 12 @ 3:18 PM EDT

@NeedhamL56 @teacherchalky1 @ViciaScience @hrogerson @doc_kristy as it is about progress 'ability' not a factor #asechat

teacherchalky1 Sep 12 @ 3:19 PM EDT

@NeedhamL56 @hrogerson The problem is if Ss are predicted 5s then I can't put them in for something where they can't meet it #asechat

r_brooks1 Sep 12 @ 3:19 PM EDT

@hrogerson Yes! #asechat @johntomsett #rED16

ViciaScience Sep 12 @ 3:19 PM EDT

Have you looked at Level 1 and level 2 entry level science? #ASEChat

r_brooks1 Sep 12 @ 3:20 PM EDT

@hrogerson Yes such as the Level 3 BTEC Applied Science, can be done as certificate or diploma #btecscience #asechat

edubabbIe Sep 12 @ 3:20 PM EDT

Talking about racism while promoting social mobility, but much much more. #asechat

AssignmentHelpN Sep 12 @ 3:20 PM EDT

5 Major EdTech Highlights From Apple Keynote '16 https://t.co/RrF7jP6BsA #edchat #asechat #appledistinguishedteacher https://t.co/LSWSIwrNzi

ViciaScience Sep 12 @ 3:20 PM EDT

And then the STEM Technical award (Also L1/2) as an appropriate course for 14-16 yr olds? #ASEChat

r_brooks1 Sep 12 @ 3:21 PM EDT

@doc_kristy @cleverfiend @hrogerson @ViciaScience Yes and it can be a nightmare to even timetable end of unit tests in such a 1/2 #asechat

r_brooks1 Sep 12 @ 3:21 PM EDT

@doc_kristy @cleverfiend @hrogerson @ViciaScience content-heavy curriculum! 2/2 #asechat

cleverfiend Sep 12 @ 3:21 PM EDT

@NeedhamL56 @teacherchalky1 @hrogerson & point counting doesn't count those that enter a STEM career or develop a love of science! #asechat

hrogerson Sep 12 @ 3:21 PM EDT

Some of the STEM qualifications look good. But #progress8 😔 #asechat

NeedhamL56 - Moderator Sep 12 @ 3:21 PM EDT

We expect the majority to do English and Maths GCSEs, why not science? Entry level for the very weakest (not a BTEC replacement) #asechat

ViciaScience Sep 12 @ 3:21 PM EDT

Does this mean our means of allocating target grades needs improving? What is basis for 1-9 predictions? #ASEChat https://t.co/abXH0eSTm8

teacherchalky1 Sep 12 @ 3:19 PM EDT

@NeedhamL56 @hrogerson The problem is if Ss are predicted 5s then I can't put them in for something where they can't meet it #asechat

r_brooks1 Sep 12 @ 3:23 PM EDT

@hrogerson Is there any campaigning that the #ase can do to bring these into #progress8 ? #asechat @ViciaScience @NeedhamL56

teacherchalky1 Sep 12 @ 3:24 PM EDT

@ViciaScience It's based on the level they leave KS2 with, an that's what Ofsted look at in terms of progress made #asechat

r_brooks1 Sep 12 @ 3:24 PM EDT

@ViciaScience Guess work? #asechat

doc_kristy Sep 12 @ 3:24 PM EDT

@r_brooks1 @cleverfiend @hrogerson @ViciaScience I'm not a fan of end of unit tests, cumulative progress tests are better IME #asechat

ViciaScience Sep 12 @ 3:24 PM EDT

Fairly obvious but unpalatable solution! #ASEChat https://t.co/UXb2v7tGMn

NeedhamL56 - Moderator Sep 12 @ 3:21 PM EDT

We expect the majority to do English and Maths GCSEs, why not science? Entry level for the very weakest (not a BTEC replacement) #asechat

stevethedoc1 Sep 12 @ 3:24 PM EDT

@NeedhamL56 #asechat agree, science for all

teacherchalky1 Sep 12 @ 3:24 PM EDT

@cleverfiend @NeedhamL56 @hrogerson I don't agree with the system, however I seem to be stuck with it #asechat

hrogerson Sep 12 @ 3:24 PM EDT

There were also a significant number who did just CORE science to work around their alternative curriculum. #asechat

r_brooks1 Sep 12 @ 3:25 PM EDT

@doc_kristy @cleverfiend @hrogerson @ViciaScience Apologies that is what I meant, just wrote it quickly! Yes I agree #asechat

ViciaScience Sep 12 @ 3:25 PM EDT

Yes - if as a community we could be clear about what is needed and evidence to support that view #ASEChat https://t.co/45qKGH4hxR

r_brooks1 Sep 12 @ 3:23 PM EDT

@hrogerson Is there any campaigning that the #ase can do to bring these into #progress8 ? #asechat @ViciaScience @NeedhamL56

doc_kristy Sep 12 @ 3:26 PM EDT

@hrogerson yes vocational pathways with external placement struggle to fit classes around #asechat

ViciaScience Sep 12 @ 3:26 PM EDT

@teacherchalky1 Unfortunately it is not based on any prior learning in science so what is its validity? #ASEChat

r_brooks1 Sep 12 @ 3:26 PM EDT

Yes I know of some schools that have done this but it can only happen for one more year on the legacy specs #asechat https://t.co/pNCpJWxDYP

hrogerson Sep 12 @ 3:24 PM EDT

There were also a significant number who did just CORE science to work around their alternative curriculum. #asechat

hrogerson Sep 12 @ 3:26 PM EDT

@teacherchalky1 @cleverfiend @NeedhamL56 yes, numbers matter unfortunately. #asechat

doc_kristy Sep 12 @ 3:26 PM EDT

@hrogerson incidentally the most engaged class I ever taught was chem for hairdressers at an FE college while an UG #asechat #scienceforall

teacherchalky1 Sep 12 @ 3:27 PM EDT

@ViciaScience Very little, the problem is that isn't taken into account. #asechat

ViciaScience Sep 12 @ 3:27 PM EDT

@hrogerson Core science was not a useful or adequate course if not studied along side additional science #ASEChat

teacherchalky1 Sep 12 @ 3:27 PM EDT

@ViciaScience I'm not a supporter of the system #asechat

r_brooks1 Sep 12 @ 3:28 PM EDT

Interesting #asechat https://t.co/QRCpxBxtpF

doc_kristy Sep 12 @ 3:26 PM EDT

@hrogerson incidentally the most engaged class I ever taught was chem for hairdressers at an FE college while an UG #asechat #scienceforall

stormeducation Sep 12 @ 3:28 PM EDT

Lol i am late for #asechat. My excuse is i thought i would paint a roof while the weather's nice, got stuck, and had to wait for help ...

teacherchalky1 Sep 12 @ 3:28 PM EDT

@hrogerson @cleverfiend @NeedhamL56 Especially now they're linked to pay progression ect #asechat

r_brooks1 Sep 12 @ 3:29 PM EDT

@ViciaScience @hrogerson & maybe the title 'additional science' was therefore inappropriate as implied 'more' science than needed? #asechat

CLEAPSS Sep 12 @ 3:29 PM EDT

Our latest YouTube video is now live : https://t.co/F12aVvWgTJ #Newton #asechat

NeedhamL56 - Moderator Sep 12 @ 3:29 PM EDT

@teacherchalky1 @ViciaScience more additional stress exerted by SLT, who don’t really understand the complexity of sci curic #asechat

NeedhamL56 - Moderator Sep 12 @ 3:29 PM EDT

@stormeducation great excuse, I’m buying it #asechat

teacherchalky1 Sep 12 @ 3:30 PM EDT

@cleverfiend @doc_kristy @hrogerson @ViciaScience That's the problem with only counting students first attempt at an exam #asechat

ViciaScience Sep 12 @ 3:30 PM EDT

@teacherchalky1 Can we use our own local data from previous years to modify predictions? Lets use our own data #ASEChat

JonScott46 Sep 12 @ 3:30 PM EDT

@ViciaScience #ASEchat looks v. interesting Richard. Do you think this will be a truly more vocational qualification for technical skills?

teacherchalky1 Sep 12 @ 3:30 PM EDT

@NeedhamL56 @ViciaScience I don't think they've been given much choice #asechat

r_brooks1 Sep 12 @ 3:31 PM EDT

Yes and how many of us passed our driving test the first time round? I didn't #asechat https://t.co/mfoyq5jXgf

teacherchalky1 Sep 12 @ 3:30 PM EDT

@cleverfiend @doc_kristy @hrogerson @ViciaScience That's the problem with only counting students first attempt at an exam #asechat

hrogerson Sep 12 @ 3:31 PM EDT

Although it's taking time to get my head round, hoping there will be more practical that makes sense to the learning. #asechat

ViciaScience Sep 12 @ 3:31 PM EDT

@stormeducation Always work outwards from centre to avoid being marooned #ASEChat

teacherchalky1 Sep 12 @ 3:31 PM EDT

@ViciaScience In an ideal world but that's not the data the inspectors will look at #asechat

r_brooks1 Sep 12 @ 3:32 PM EDT

And the required practicals as opposed to controlled assessments have gone some way to help address this #asechat https://t.co/ljYDz03Do4

hrogerson Sep 12 @ 3:31 PM EDT

Although it's taking time to get my head round, hoping there will be more practical that makes sense to the learning. #asechat

teacherchalky1 Sep 12 @ 3:32 PM EDT

@r_brooks1 no comment.......... lol #asechat

NeedhamL56 - Moderator Sep 12 @ 3:32 PM EDT

OK ,so if we accept that the majority of children have to do GCSE Combined science, what will we do to support them? #scienceforall #asechat

ViciaScience Sep 12 @ 3:33 PM EDT

@r_brooks1 @hrogerson True. Is 'combined science' any better? Why not 'science'? #ASEChat

hrogerson Sep 12 @ 3:33 PM EDT

The increased practical gives some children the chance to feel confident Eg making a crystal. #asechat

teacherchalky1 Sep 12 @ 3:33 PM EDT

@hrogerson I't can't be fit into 2 years but just about fits in 3 #asechat

NeedhamL56 - Moderator Sep 12 @ 3:33 PM EDT

And.. how will you decide who to teach an entry level type course to? lowest 1%? or more? #asechat

r_brooks1 Sep 12 @ 3:34 PM EDT

@ViciaScience @hrogerson exactly combined science IS science! #asechat

NeedhamL56 - Moderator Sep 12 @ 3:34 PM EDT

Will the curriculum model be flexible enough to allow students to move from EL to GCSE classes? #asechat #latedevelopers

ViciaScience Sep 12 @ 3:34 PM EDT

@JonScott46 Not sure, but certainly more attractive option to many. I hope it would lead on to effective vocational courses post 16 #ASEChat

r_brooks1 Sep 12 @ 3:35 PM EDT

Yes and there needs to be some flexibility to allow students to move to GCSE and not just stuck at EL #asechat https://t.co/cv8m16nY5F

NeedhamL56 - Moderator Sep 12 @ 3:33 PM EDT

And.. how will you decide who to teach an entry level type course to? lowest 1%? or more? #asechat

r_brooks1 Sep 12 @ 3:35 PM EDT

@NeedhamL56 I think we typed that at the same time! #asechat

hrogerson Sep 12 @ 3:35 PM EDT

U>3 grade students to raise confidence? #asechat https://t.co/PqFV06CkFn

NeedhamL56 - Moderator Sep 12 @ 3:33 PM EDT

And.. how will you decide who to teach an entry level type course to? lowest 1%? or more? #asechat

JonScott46 Sep 12 @ 3:36 PM EDT

@NeedhamL56 #asechat maintain enthusiasm from Y7 and keep it engaging...easy said! Good 'Transition' article SSR this quarter

NeedhamL56 - Moderator Sep 12 @ 3:36 PM EDT

@r_brooks1 we are on the same page! twitter #buddies #asechat

dave2004b Sep 12 @ 3:36 PM EDT

@NeedhamL56 #asechat had quite a few schools talking about using Entry Level in Year 9 as a transition, and then one single sci for weakest

ViciaScience Sep 12 @ 3:36 PM EDT

@teacherchalky1 @NeedhamL56 There is clearly role for science teachers to educate SLT in some schools. Invite them in to lessons! #ASEChat

cleverfiend Sep 12 @ 3:36 PM EDT

@NeedhamL56 Can't you co-teach ELC and GCSE courses? Skill needed to run assessment alongside for both though #asechat

teacherchalky1 Sep 12 @ 3:37 PM EDT

@doc_kristy @r_brooks1 @cleverfiend @hrogerson @ViciaScience It depends how they are used, I use them to improve exam technique #asechat

NeedhamL56 - Moderator Sep 12 @ 3:37 PM EDT

Hi @dave2004b didn’t think you could do a ‘single’ science anymore, can you give us some egs of these qualifications? #asechat

r_brooks1 Sep 12 @ 3:37 PM EDT

@dave2004b @NeedhamL56 Would the entry level be too easy for higher ability Year 9 pupils as transition material? #justathought #asechat

hrogerson Sep 12 @ 3:37 PM EDT

@cleverfiend @NeedhamL56 that's what I thought. #asechat

ViciaScience Sep 12 @ 3:37 PM EDT

@teacherchalky1 Needs to be whole school. Inspectors do not dictate systems used. #ASEChat

teacherchalky1 Sep 12 @ 3:38 PM EDT

@ViciaScience @NeedhamL56 Our former head was a Science teacher, it made little difference #asechat

dave2004b Sep 12 @ 3:38 PM EDT

@cleverfiend @NeedhamL56 #asechat Yes, the new EL are mapped to the specs @ocrexams EL has lots of short tests;can provide regular data

NeedhamL56 - Moderator Sep 12 @ 3:38 PM EDT

@teacherchalky1 @ViciaScience oh no! maybe why they got out and became a head! ;-) #asechat

ViciaScience Sep 12 @ 3:39 PM EDT

@hrogerson Up to you how much practical is done. I would hope required practicals are minority of practical activities undertaken #ASEChat

r_brooks1 Sep 12 @ 3:39 PM EDT

@NeedhamL56 @dave2004b Yes only single core GCSE science for legacy specs finishing in June 2017 can be used #asechat

r_brooks1 Sep 12 @ 3:39 PM EDT

Sounds good #asechat https://t.co/w7sVFDEvYW

dave2004b Sep 12 @ 3:38 PM EDT

@cleverfiend @NeedhamL56 #asechat Yes, the new EL are mapped to the specs @ocrexams EL has lots of short tests;can provide regular data

teacherchalky1 Sep 12 @ 3:39 PM EDT

@ViciaScience But what the gov use to give you a progress 8 score will be based on KS2 data #asechat

cleverfiend Sep 12 @ 3:39 PM EDT

@dave2004b @NeedhamL56 @ocrexams I'm teaching ELC but to GCSE standard and can enter for GCSE at end for students who can do #asechat

doc_kristy Sep 12 @ 3:39 PM EDT

@teacherchalky1 @r_brooks1 @cleverfiend @hrogerson @ViciaScience which brings the Q 'is there such a thing as exam technique?' #asechat

edubabbIe Sep 12 @ 3:40 PM EDT

Competing concerns for personal growth. #asechat

r_brooks1 Sep 12 @ 3:40 PM EDT

@ViciaScience @hrogerson I still think it would be better to have practical exams at GCSE rather than assessing it in the 1/2 #asechat

ViciaScience Sep 12 @ 3:41 PM EDT

@hrogerson How can you confidently assess a child as grade 3 at start of Y10 (or Y9)?? #ASEChat

NeedhamL56 - Moderator Sep 12 @ 3:41 PM EDT

@r_brooks1 @dave2004b Its only when Combined science kicks in for those we think cant cope, so ’17 not applicable for cohort #asechat

r_brooks1 Sep 12 @ 3:41 PM EDT

@ViciaScience @hrogerson written exam, wouldn't this test actual practical skills better? Not talking about regenerating ISAs! 2/2 #asechat

NeedhamL56 - Moderator Sep 12 @ 3:41 PM EDT

Sounds like a sensible solution #scienceforall #asechat https://t.co/JoqO9tKEGu

cleverfiend Sep 12 @ 3:39 PM EDT

@dave2004b @NeedhamL56 @ocrexams I'm teaching ELC but to GCSE standard and can enter for GCSE at end for students who can do #asechat

ViciaScience Sep 12 @ 3:42 PM EDT

@dave2004b @NeedhamL56 Hope you explained this was unacceptable - need a broad curriculum #ASEChat

dave2004b Sep 12 @ 3:42 PM EDT

@NeedhamL56 #asechat EL covers the required NC PoS @ocrexams R483, then can chose one of Bi/Ch/Ph single sci based on interests of pupils

r_brooks1 Sep 12 @ 3:42 PM EDT

@doc_kristy @teacherchalky1 @cleverfiend @hrogerson @ViciaScience also can we rely on the specimen papers as a true indicator 1/2 #asechat

teacherchalky1 Sep 12 @ 3:42 PM EDT

@NeedhamL56 @ViciaScience I'd love to agree but he was a AST and really good in the classroom #asechat

ViciaScience Sep 12 @ 3:42 PM EDT

@cleverfiend @NeedhamL56 Yes - ELC and GCSE should allow 'co teaching' #ASEChat

r_brooks1 Sep 12 @ 3:42 PM EDT

@doc_kristy @teacherchalky1 @cleverfiend @hrogerson @ViciaScience of the likely format/structure of the actual exams in 2018? 2/2 #asechat

dave2004b Sep 12 @ 3:43 PM EDT

@r_brooks1 @NeedhamL56 #asechat that's where the mapping can help, can teach at level appropriate, or perhaps use STEM project as extension

NeedhamL56 - Moderator Sep 12 @ 3:43 PM EDT

@teacherchalky1 @ViciaScience Thats nice! #asechat shame he’s forgotten his roots!

teacherchalky1 Sep 12 @ 3:43 PM EDT

@doc_kristy @r_brooks1 @cleverfiend @hrogerson @ViciaScience Defiantly, knowing what a Qu wants is a fine art #asechat

teacherchalky1 Sep 12 @ 3:44 PM EDT

@r_brooks1 @doc_kristy @cleverfiend @hrogerson @ViciaScience you can use exampro best £150 a year spent #asechat

dave2004b Sep 12 @ 3:44 PM EDT

@ViciaScience @hrogerson #asechat we certainly hope so to. Practicals should be a central part of T&L

cleverfiend Sep 12 @ 3:45 PM EDT

@r_brooks1 @NeedhamL56 @dave2004b unless you want to go the iGCSE route - but not ideal for SEN learners (or Prog8) #asechat

ViciaScience Sep 12 @ 3:46 PM EDT

@r_brooks1 @hrogerson Sounds easy but details are tough and could lead to narrowing range of activities #ASEChat

NeedhamL56 - Moderator Sep 12 @ 3:46 PM EDT

@dave2004b @ocrexams I’m actually shocked to hear this suggestion, not broad and balanced, #asechat

hrogerson Sep 12 @ 3:46 PM EDT

Anyone else feel that sometimes 'teaching some of it well' is important for lower attainers to help confidence? #asechat

cleverfiend Sep 12 @ 3:46 PM EDT

@ViciaScience @hrogerson of course - have you not seen the detailed descriptors that have been published! #asechat https://t.co/oA562MLA5o

r_brooks1 Sep 12 @ 3:47 PM EDT

@ViciaScience @hrogerson Yes that is true too - I guess a regeneration of the ISA would happen if this was attempted in the future #asechat

A_Weatherall - Moderator Sep 12 @ 3:47 PM EDT

@ViciaScience @r_brooks1 @hrogerson yes, and how would they be assessed. #asechat

ViciaScience Sep 12 @ 3:47 PM EDT

@r_brooks1 @hrogerson Trick is to write q's that can only be answered well by people with direct experience of doing prac -not easy #ASEChat

cleverfiend Sep 12 @ 3:47 PM EDT

@dave2004b @NeedhamL56 @ocrexams we plan to do this - double ELC then GCSE biology for most #asechat Curriculum needs to be appropriate!

dave2004b Sep 12 @ 3:48 PM EDT

@r_brooks1 @ViciaScience @hrogerson #asechat Reiss rsrch showed if they do the prac, written exams can assess skill https://t.co/MqBswBfHqL

NeedhamL56 - Moderator Sep 12 @ 3:48 PM EDT

@hrogerson exactly Helen! keep them enthused, and feeling successful, learning rather than switched off, teach to the groups needs #asechat

ViciaScience Sep 12 @ 3:49 PM EDT

@dave2004b @NeedhamL56 @ocrexams but in practice it will be single science based on interests of school? #ASEChat

teacherchalky1 Sep 12 @ 3:49 PM EDT

@ViciaScience @NeedhamL56 I hate to admit it but he had a Y11 class every year, still didn't shift his mindset #asechat

r_brooks1 Sep 12 @ 3:49 PM EDT

@dave2004b @ViciaScience @hrogerson This maybe the research however at university practicals are assessed in some modules as exams? #asechat

hrogerson Sep 12 @ 3:49 PM EDT

Last 10 minutes of #asechat has there been a lot of discussion in your departments about appropriate science curricula?

NeedhamL56 - Moderator Sep 12 @ 3:49 PM EDT

Great plans Rob, think we could all take a leaf out of the ‘special school’ book #asechat https://t.co/t2mXOUi5eL

cleverfiend Sep 12 @ 3:47 PM EDT

@dave2004b @NeedhamL56 @ocrexams we plan to do this - double ELC then GCSE biology for most #asechat Curriculum needs to be appropriate!

stormeducation Sep 12 @ 3:50 PM EDT

lol @NeedhamL56 @ViciaScience #asechat I must have been using the wrong type of #science. Roof looks good though!

dave2004b Sep 12 @ 3:50 PM EDT

@ViciaScience @NeedhamL56 #asechat they get breadth from EL.

teacherchalky1 Sep 12 @ 3:50 PM EDT

@SciTeach333 @r_brooks1 To say I love it is an understatement, it's such a powerful tool #asechat

r_brooks1 Sep 12 @ 3:50 PM EDT

@NeedhamL56 @hrogerson yes, this is why there cannot be a "one size fits all" approach to science teaching #asechat

NeedhamL56 - Moderator Sep 12 @ 3:51 PM EDT

@dave2004b @ViciaScience mmm sounds dodgy to me, but I hear what you are saying! #asechat

r_brooks1 Sep 12 @ 3:51 PM EDT

Agreed! #asechat https://t.co/OipgkPI5Nv

teacherchalky1 Sep 12 @ 3:50 PM EDT

@SciTeach333 @r_brooks1 To say I love it is an understatement, it's such a powerful tool #asechat

teacherchalky1 Sep 12 @ 3:51 PM EDT

@cleverfiend @r_brooks1 @doc_kristy @hrogerson @ViciaScience It's a bargain at £150 I'd still have it at twice the price #asechat

hrogerson Sep 12 @ 3:51 PM EDT

I get the impression that there are a lot of external factors affecting science at GCSE? #asechat

ViciaScience Sep 12 @ 3:51 PM EDT

@hrogerson Absolutely! Build confidence and 'can do' attitude. Do some well rather than do all badly. #ASEChat

hrogerson Sep 12 @ 3:52 PM EDT

Glad we have more autonomy. #asechat https://t.co/6GJ3mRPYzI

hrogerson Sep 12 @ 3:51 PM EDT

I get the impression that there are a lot of external factors affecting science at GCSE? #asechat

doc_kristy Sep 12 @ 3:52 PM EDT

@SciTeach333 where you assess topics from say Sep-Dec, then Sep-Feb, then Sep-April rather than by topic #asechat

dave2004b Sep 12 @ 3:52 PM EDT

@NeedhamL56 @ocrexams #asechat if students can't access Combined Science, the EL provides breadth in line with the KS4 Prog of Study

ViciaScience Sep 12 @ 3:53 PM EDT

Yes I have - hence comment that implies @educationgovuk could have done a lot better at supporting learning #ASEChat https://t.co/FoqssuiHJM

cleverfiend Sep 12 @ 3:46 PM EDT

@ViciaScience @hrogerson of course - have you not seen the detailed descriptors that have been published! #asechat https://t.co/oA562MLA5o

doc_kristy Sep 12 @ 3:53 PM EDT

@teacherchalky1 @r_brooks1 @cleverfiend @hrogerson @ViciaScience lots of incorrect science is dismissed as poor exam technique #asechat

NeedhamL56 - Moderator Sep 12 @ 3:53 PM EDT

Sounds like this is a must for department, Have you all enough £££ to invest? #asechat https://t.co/PllkjtkukG

teacherchalky1 Sep 12 @ 3:44 PM EDT

@r_brooks1 @doc_kristy @cleverfiend @hrogerson @ViciaScience you can use exampro best £150 a year spent #asechat

MrHeadComputing Sep 12 @ 3:53 PM EDT

must stop being childish and think the #asechat hashtag says #arsechat

teacherchalky1 Sep 12 @ 3:53 PM EDT

@hrogerson I like the idea of that but as Science is technically double counted I don't think I'd get away with it #asechat

JonScott46 Sep 12 @ 3:53 PM EDT

@hrogerson #asechat Absolutely! I think that project-based learning also helps keep this focus. And project-based learning works well.

r_brooks1 Sep 12 @ 3:53 PM EDT

Yes! #asechat https://t.co/9R2XoFo6JO

hrogerson Sep 12 @ 3:51 PM EDT

I get the impression that there are a lot of external factors affecting science at GCSE? #asechat

doc_kristy Sep 12 @ 3:54 PM EDT

@hrogerson yes, relentless focus on the basics (for us in chem, formulae, balancing equations, particles, calcs, atom structure) #asechat

r_brooks1 Sep 12 @ 3:54 PM EDT

#PBL #asechat https://t.co/MufKiTVqlh

JonScott46 Sep 12 @ 3:53 PM EDT

@hrogerson #asechat Absolutely! I think that project-based learning also helps keep this focus. And project-based learning works well.

Refthinking Sep 12 @ 3:55 PM EDT

#asechat PBL with lots of 8 year olds & bees plus teachers & members of the community: https://t.co/BQaPZFR6C1 https://t.co/UjI2E8oVze

dave2004b Sep 12 @ 3:55 PM EDT

@ViciaScience @NeedhamL56 @ocrexams #asechat Will depend on the school/HoS/SLT I suppose.

NeedhamL56 - Moderator Sep 12 @ 3:56 PM EDT

@dave2004b @ViciaScience @ocrexams and numbers of physics teachers in the department? ;-) #asechat

gregtheseal Sep 12 @ 3:56 PM EDT

@teacherchalky1 @r_brooks1 @doc_kristy @cleverfiend @hrogerson @ViciaScience only set up for AQA though #asechat come on OCR!

ViciaScience Sep 12 @ 3:56 PM EDT

@dave2004b @NeedhamL56 Yes. Looks a good course - but for Y10/11 rather than Y9 IMO #ASEChat

cleverfiend Sep 12 @ 3:56 PM EDT

@NeedhamL56 it's useful but everything is a subscription these days - think how much equipment etc that could buy instead! #asechat

doc_kristy Sep 12 @ 3:57 PM EDT

Pagin @dave2004b #asechat https://t.co/PdUrmOeFNo

gregtheseal Sep 12 @ 3:56 PM EDT

@teacherchalky1 @r_brooks1 @doc_kristy @cleverfiend @hrogerson @ViciaScience only set up for AQA though #asechat come on OCR!

teacherchalky1 Sep 12 @ 3:57 PM EDT

@hrogerson The new required practicals fit in well #asechat

r_brooks1 Sep 12 @ 3:57 PM EDT

@gregtheseal @teacherchalky1 @doc_kristy @cleverfiend @hrogerson @ViciaScience also set up for #Edexcel aka #examwizard #asechat

dave2004b Sep 12 @ 3:57 PM EDT

@NeedhamL56 @ViciaScience #asechat dodgy? The ELs are Ofqual regulated quals, and help provide a range of quals for all abilities.

hrogerson Sep 12 @ 3:57 PM EDT

@teacherchalky1 yes, I am pleased. Better than some of the CA previously! #asechat

NeedhamL56 - Moderator Sep 12 @ 3:58 PM EDT

@dave2004b @ViciaScience no I meant the taking of just 1 science GCSE. ELCs are fine, balanced and in line with PoS #asechat

cleverfiend Sep 12 @ 3:58 PM EDT

#asechat For those that say ELC in Y9 would you really repeat content for GCSE? Does that build engagement? What about SEN learners? Repeat?

teacherchalky1 Sep 12 @ 3:59 PM EDT

@NeedhamL56 well structured revision, innovative lessons, practice exam Qs, SEN support, mentoring sessions, PP & HA considered #asechat