#edchatie Archive


Monday December 10, 2018
3:30 PM EST

  • fboss Dec 10 @ 3:30 PM EST
    Welcome to tonight's #edchatie live discussion. As usual though, before we begin, please introduce yourself and remember to always include the hashtag #edchatie in all tweets for the next hour!
  • lthomas_ed Dec 10 @ 3:33 PM EST
    Hello my name is Lauren Thomas! I am a preservice teacher at Grove City College. #edchatie
  • AshDonohoe Dec 10 @ 3:33 PM EST
    Hi all, its been awhile. Aishling, Dublin PP teacher #edchatie
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  • MorganProuty Dec 10 @ 3:35 PM EST
    Hi my name is Morgan Prouty. I am a preservice teacher studying Early and Special Education at Grove City College. #edchatie
  • fboss Dec 10 @ 3:36 PM EST
    Fred Boss, 2nd level Art teacher, currently with @NCCAie #edchatie
  • mssweeneyhomeec Dec 10 @ 3:37 PM EST
    #edchatie Julie Home Economics p/p teacher
    In reply to @fboss
  • fboss Dec 10 @ 3:37 PM EST
    Let's begin tonight's #edchatie topic discussion about "What does work overload look like to you?” What are your thoughts on "work overload"?
  • CuffeL Dec 10 @ 3:38 PM EST
    Laurence Cuffe Adult education teaching Maths and computery stuff in #BAEC #edchatie (plug: we have an open day tomorrow!)
  • ruanemedu Dec 10 @ 3:40 PM EST
    Mary guidance counsellor interested in this topic #edchatie
  • AshDonohoe Dec 10 @ 3:41 PM EST
    Very easy to get overloaded with work in teaching! If I have more than two evenings in a week when I'm working til 8/9pm on work, thats what I consider too much! I stay in school until approx 5pm most days doing work. #edchatie
    In reply to @fboss
  • mssweeneyhomeec Dec 10 @ 3:41 PM EST
    #edchatie for me work overload is when the pressure that gets me to peak production topples over into stress that is counter-productive. It looks like me scrambling to get basics like corrections done. A headache due to low blood sugar levels cos I skipped break & lunch...
    In reply to @fboss
  • TheEdNarrative Dec 10 @ 3:42 PM EST
    Darren Instructional Coach, podcaster/blogger Virginia #edchatie
  • CuffeL Dec 10 @ 3:42 PM EST
    Too much driving, Ariving into a class, and having the students gently remind you that you covered the material you are presenting last week #edchatie
  • ruanemedu Dec 10 @ 3:43 PM EST
    Work overload can cause a lot of problems in the workplace, and after many years working in education might I suggest that we are the creators of our own demise in this area #edchatie
  • TheEdNarrative Dec 10 @ 3:44 PM EST
    #edchatie what does work overload look like? Just another day at the office....
  • lthomas_ed Dec 10 @ 3:45 PM EST
    As a preservice teacher I am starting to get a glimpse of what it is going to be like as a teacher. How do you deal with the stress that comes with work overload? #edchatie
    In reply to @AshDonohoe, @fboss
  • checian Dec 10 @ 3:45 PM EST
    Seamus Keane, PP English & History Teacher. Workload is massive for LC English anyway due to texts frequently changing & corrections. Now JCR a nightmare, I am supposed to teach them practically EVERYTHING according to Learning Outcomes! Burnout inevitable #edchatie
  • edhacked Dec 10 @ 3:45 PM EST
    Follow the birth of a Polar Bear Cub #edchat #Science #edchatie https://t.co/O8qTLO1hXc
  • fboss Dec 10 @ 3:45 PM EST
    For the next hour on tonight's live #edchatie we'll be discussing the topic β€œWhat does work overload look like to you?” Join in the discussion and share your thoughts with colleagues
  • ruanemedu Dec 10 @ 3:45 PM EST
    I have learned he hard way, how to work smart & how to say no - mostly #edchatie
  • edhacked Dec 10 @ 3:46 PM EST
    Calls for stronger job protections in the English language training sector #edchatie https://t.co/OTZuQF7eAt
  • MorganProuty Dec 10 @ 3:46 PM EST
    I am currently a preservice teacher at Grove City College. What is your advice for when you are starting to feel overwhelmed by your work load? #edchatie
    In reply to @AshDonohoe, @fboss
  • miriambergin Dec 10 @ 3:46 PM EST
    #edchatie Am in the process of filling in the AP1 post form! What CPD did I do years ago? Thank god for my Blog as had forgotten all the stuff I did!!
  • TheEdNarrative Dec 10 @ 3:47 PM EST
    A friend of mine supervised a student teacher, who was changing careers. He'd been in insurance. At one point he observed, "teachers work really hard. I don't think I've ever been this busy..." #edchatie
  • fboss Dec 10 @ 3:47 PM EST
    This is a good question - how do we all deal with work overload - let's share our advice tonight as part of the #edchatie discussion
    • MorganProuty Dec 10 @ 3:46 PM EST
      I am currently a preservice teacher at Grove City College. What is your advice for when you are starting to feel overwhelmed by your work load? #edchatie
      In reply to @AshDonohoe, @fboss
  • DonegalPaul9 Dec 10 @ 3:47 PM EST
    #edchatie Paul primary in Co. Meath
  • CuffeL Dec 10 @ 3:48 PM EST
    Work overload can show as gripes, lack of time to volunteer, and hoping that students wont turn up for class. #edchatie
  • AshDonohoe Dec 10 @ 3:49 PM EST
    I prioritise what is needed now and then work on that. Focus on essentials that need to be done, other stuff can wait! I always make time for 'me time' for a walk or something to detach from work! If I can deligate work, I will. #edchatie
    In reply to @MorganProuty, @fboss
  • MsAOBrien Dec 10 @ 3:49 PM EST
    Amy, secondary Irish. My first year in a 22 year contract I ended up in hospital with stress headaches. Totally burned out and nervous about my first exam classes. Have tried to work smarter since but it's hard. #edchatie
  • FoleyKev Dec 10 @ 3:49 PM EST
    Work overload is a Teaching Principal with three classes and 32 pupils.That was me in my STEAM Room .Retired now ##edchatie
  • TheEdNarrative Dec 10 @ 3:50 PM EST
    #edchatie giving yourself permission to be imperfect helps. Don't let perfection be the enemy of the good (paraphrased from some smart person with a book on this stuff--don't remember who though)
    In reply to @fboss
  • AshDonohoe Dec 10 @ 3:51 PM EST
    Look after you first! Only way you can do youre best is to be in best health! It gets easier after your first yr! #edchatie
    In reply to @MsAOBrien
  • marycleary21 Dec 10 @ 3:52 PM EST
    #edchatie
    • marycleary21 Dec 10 @ 3:50 PM EST
      How about practising saying "No"?
      In reply to @fboss
  • fboss Dec 10 @ 3:52 PM EST
    I agree with the need for "me-time" - important to be able to move your head away from the messiness of feeling overworked and out into some clear air and a different environemnt. It definitely helps. #edchatie
    In reply to @AshDonohoe, @MorganProuty
  • MorganProuty Dec 10 @ 3:52 PM EST
    I completely agree with this . Its so important to inspire, teach, and learn together as a teaching community. #edchatie
    In reply to @ruanemedu, @AshDonohoe, @fboss
  • TheEdNarrative Dec 10 @ 3:53 PM EST
    Definitely an important skill! #edchatie
    In reply to @marycleary21
  • AshDonohoe Dec 10 @ 3:53 PM EST
    I made a 'rule' this year that I wouldn't do any work on weekends! So far it's been successful and I've managed to confine my work to week days! #edchatie
    In reply to @fboss, @MorganProuty
  • ruanemedu Dec 10 @ 3:53 PM EST
    Make more use of IT for corrections, communication, sharing resources, it’s easier now than in the past for me with subject Dept, common assessments, Dept planning, used to have to do all this alone in small school #edchatie
  • miriambergin Dec 10 @ 3:53 PM EST
    #edchatie Miriam PP tchr in Thurles. Think the secret is to work closely with other tchrs, ask for help if you need it, remember you should not be working harder than the students! if that is possible nowadays.
  • johnmayo Dec 10 @ 3:55 PM EST
    There is a whole genre that I have noticed while in the States, the Pinterest classroom- the Irish version is the multiple team manager.... education is about students not what other teachers think! #edchatie
  • CuffeL Dec 10 @ 3:55 PM EST
    Coping strategies, apart from coffee, Coffee and more Coffee? I find I'm getting better at leaving corrections at work for breaks, rather than bringing them home and back in in the hope that they will correct themselves. #edchatie Setting no homework helps.
  • MsAOBrien Dec 10 @ 3:55 PM EST
    Am at year 4 now and learning to manage everything better. Coming home without work, giving exams back within a week rather than within a day, taking time for myself πŸ‘ #edchatie
    In reply to @AshDonohoe
  • AshDonohoe Dec 10 @ 3:55 PM EST
    Get outdoors for a walk, usually solves most of my stress! Work will be done, just stand back and assess what needs doing right now! I think also, good planning can alleviate work overload as you know what is coming! #edchatie
    In reply to @lthomas_ed, @fboss
  • orourke28 Dec 10 @ 3:56 PM EST
    Parents invited to express preference for patronage of 12 primary schools #edchat #edchatie https://t.co/FmpwOI2vb5
  • MorganProuty Dec 10 @ 3:57 PM EST
    So important reset yourself so you can preform best for the student. #edchatie
    In reply to @AshDonohoe, @lthomas_ed, @fboss
  • ruanemedu Dec 10 @ 3:57 PM EST
    Important to manage stress in the workplace, teachers/management/staff who are not managing their stress can leak into relationships at work between colleagues or how students are treated, employee assistance numbers should be used #edchatie
  • lthomas_ed Dec 10 @ 3:58 PM EST
    That is great advice! Even now, I am still in school and am finding it hard to take time for myself with all the work I am doing. #edchatie
    In reply to @AshDonohoe, @fboss
  • AshDonohoe Dec 10 @ 3:58 PM EST
    My students know not to ask me for corrected tests, they get them in good time! You sound like you have it worked out! πŸ‘ #edchatie
    In reply to @MsAOBrien
  • CatrionaGolden Dec 10 @ 4:00 PM EST
    This quadrant model from Covey is excellent for prioritising. When we're new at something we spend a lot of time in the urgent sections. The aim is to be working from the important/not urgent section. #edchatie
    In reply to @AshDonohoe, @MorganProuty, @fboss
  • johnmayo Dec 10 @ 4:01 PM EST
    #edchatie Enjoying your snowday? πŸ˜‰
    In reply to @TheEdNarrative
  • CuffeL Dec 10 @ 4:01 PM EST
    I'm in Further ed, so setting homework is rarely an option. Its a useful tool but it should be short and to the point. You are not the best teacher just because you set the most homework #edchatie
    In reply to @marycleary21
  • ruanemedu Dec 10 @ 4:01 PM EST
    When teaching, managing, gets too much #edchatie self care before other care https://t.co/WSgJ0fZRlu
  • AshDonohoe Dec 10 @ 4:02 PM EST
    Taken me yrs to figure this out... I used to spend hours after school and then hours at home doing work and then all sunday eve prepping... I soon copped on that I couldn't sustain that! #edchatie
    In reply to @lthomas_ed, @fboss
  • CatrionaGolden Dec 10 @ 4:02 PM EST
    You have to put on your own oxygen mask before you can help anyone else! #edchatie
    In reply to @MorganProuty, @AshDonohoe, @lthomas_ed, @fboss
  • johnmayo Dec 10 @ 4:04 PM EST
    Most of my stress over the years have been trying to push the envelope - working on trying to get innovative projects off the ground thinking that would make me more employable- it has opened a lot of opportunities but it does/did have costs #edchatie
  • AshDonohoe Dec 10 @ 4:04 PM EST
    Yes I get that but when in college they'll wait 2 or 3 wks for results! I tell them they can wait 3 or 4 days for mine! After they go through corrections themselves with me in class they have a fair idea how they got on before I've even returned the test! #edchatie
    In reply to @marycleary21, @MsAOBrien
  • fboss Dec 10 @ 4:04 PM EST
    We've just passed the halfway point in tonight's #edchatie live hour of discussion. Tonight's topic is all about β€œWhat does work overload look like to you?” Join in and share your thoughts.
  • johnmayo Dec 10 @ 4:05 PM EST
    Still a day too busy is still a better day than being unemployed #edchatie
  • CatrionaGolden Dec 10 @ 4:06 PM EST
    I think short term intensity/stress for important projects to you is reasonable. It's costly, but rewarding. It's when the stress and overload becomes the norm you have a problem. #edchatie
    In reply to @johnmayo
  • AshDonohoe Dec 10 @ 4:06 PM EST
    Not when its a continuous cycle and negatively impacting your health and enjoyment for your job! #edchatie
    In reply to @johnmayo
  • MsAOBrien Dec 10 @ 4:07 PM EST
    True but patience is something they need to learn. Have 7 sets of Xmas tests to get through at the moment, students looking for results day after exam πŸ™„ they don't seem to understand our workload #edchatie
    In reply to @marycleary21, @AshDonohoe
  • AshDonohoe Dec 10 @ 4:08 PM EST
    No they don't, they think you have them and thats it! πŸ˜‚ #edchatie We must make the job look fierce easy!!!
    In reply to @MsAOBrien, @marycleary21
  • johnmayo Dec 10 @ 4:08 PM EST
    #edchatie well saying that ... I spent 10hrs Saturday watching Ken Burns Civil War
  • clevercelt Dec 10 @ 4:09 PM EST
    #edchatie obviously blake said. Now man knows what is enough until he knows what is too much. And for me, from my own experience. 10 (ten) modules and 33 teaching/lecturing hours per week for 6 and 12 weeks is too much. And =overload whem coupled with the admin responibilities.
  • CatrionaGolden Dec 10 @ 4:09 PM EST
    Where do people feel the pressure/stress of the too large workload is coming from? Leadership? Colleagues? Students? Parents? Or just from yourself? #edchatie
  • miriambergin Dec 10 @ 4:10 PM EST
    #edchatie In most jobs you go home but don't have homework, don't have to think of work until you return. Like other tchrs I try not to work at night but it is unavoidable sometimes. Using the Calm app, had meditations to help switch off your entire body! only use it some ngts
  • AshDonohoe Dec 10 @ 4:11 PM EST
    I think mine comes from my own standards, And also the pressures of other activities/events that I get involved in in the school. But usually all by own choice! #edchatie
    In reply to @CatrionaGolden
  • ruanemedu Dec 10 @ 4:11 PM EST
    For me after life experience have learned I am the one in control life & work, I choose, I decide #edchatie
    In reply to @CatrionaGolden
  • DonegalPaul9 Dec 10 @ 4:12 PM EST
    #edchatie Work overload to me is having to distill down & implement the latest pet project or initiative from the goose down, double duvet blanket of government bodies, agencies & other organisations associated with education. How about just leaving us alone to teach children?
  • DearbhlaHere Dec 10 @ 4:12 PM EST
    Dearbhla, Kildare. To me, work overload is pointless paperwork and box ticking exercises. #edchatie
    In reply to @fboss
  • CuffeL Dec 10 @ 4:12 PM EST
    With the current emphasis on mental health awareness for students, we have to realise that we cant help our students cope, unless we can manage it in our lives #edchatie its an infectious disease!
  • johnmayo Dec 10 @ 4:13 PM EST
    Well shared a house with a few people, all brought work home with them. One of the guys employed 2/3 fulltime people and a few temp. I would not want to be responsible for making payroll for anyone other than myself #edchatie
    In reply to @miriambergin
  • CatrionaGolden Dec 10 @ 4:13 PM EST
    Would these be things forced on you at individual school level or from the department? #edchatie
    In reply to @DearbhlaHere, @fboss
  • CatrionaGolden Dec 10 @ 4:16 PM EST
  • clevercelt Dec 10 @ 4:18 PM EST
    #edchatie
    • clevercelt Dec 10 @ 4:04 PM EST
      Honestly and Frankly I buy myself books... because as we understand buying books when we are busy represents a promise of a personal time comittment to ourselves in the near future..
      In reply to @fboss
  • CuffeL Dec 10 @ 4:18 PM EST
    I'd second pointless paperwork as a stress source. QQI submissions anyone? This is a downside of any system involving continuous assessment. #edchatie
  • johnmayo Dec 10 @ 4:19 PM EST
    #edchatie β€œMoney can't buy you happiness but it does bring you a more pleasant form of misery.”
    In reply to @CatrionaGolden
  • TheEdNarrative Dec 10 @ 4:19 PM EST
    Have to head out to build snowpeople with my son so that our dog can pulverize them. (that's what he told me anyhow) Take care all! #edchatie
  • miriambergin Dec 10 @ 4:19 PM EST
    Fair enough, but in many jobs you can choose to upskill or not, with us I feel we always need to be doing courses and improving ourselves. While it is positive, sometimes we need a break. To just be happy with what we know and work with that!! #edchatie
    In reply to @johnmayo
  • CatrionaGolden Dec 10 @ 4:20 PM EST
    I talking about amount of time spent working, not saying to not work at all! The majority of people chatting are working. It's about managing that workload. #edchatie
    In reply to @johnmayo
  • ashjclery Dec 10 @ 4:20 PM EST
    Aisling Clery, PP Eng and Hist also. Completely concur with your point on workload. LC corrections is a nightmare, you can only do so much self and peer assessment! LO at JC is terrifying - no way they can all be covered! #edchatie
    In reply to @checian
  • ruanemedu Dec 10 @ 4:20 PM EST
    Amazing how little money you need to live on when you have to! once mastered no job worth losing out on living your life #edchatie
    In reply to @johnmayo, @CatrionaGolden
  • CatrionaGolden Dec 10 @ 4:22 PM EST
    And as qualified teachers, we're in a better position than most. The world really is your oyster if you want to travel it as a teacher. #edchatie
    In reply to @ruanemedu, @johnmayo
  • CuffeL Dec 10 @ 4:22 PM EST
    I've mostly done CPD for enjoyment. They are often a distractionfromactually having to teach! #edchatie
    In reply to @miriambergin, @johnmayo
  • conpower Dec 10 @ 4:24 PM EST
    JC has always been overloaded in terms of content. Hopefully assessment of new JC will allow students to focus more on the topics they enjoy. #edchatie.
    In reply to @ashjclery, @checian
  • AshDonohoe Dec 10 @ 4:25 PM EST
    Had that very conversation with 3rd yr students on Thursday! They spotted me out for dinner one eve and just had to mention it to me the next day! They couldn't fathom that I too had a life outside school! 🀣 #edchatie
    In reply to @mssweeneyhomeec, @MsAOBrien, @marycleary21
  • fboss Dec 10 @ 4:25 PM EST
    We're into the famous final five minutes of tonight's #edchatie discussion, which is all about β€œWhat does work overload look like to you?” Any last thoughts, issues and especially solutions to share?
  • ruanemedu Dec 10 @ 4:25 PM EST
    One way to reduce workload is to remove in-house exams as recommended #edchatie
    In reply to @conpower, @ashjclery, @checian
  • conpower Dec 10 @ 4:26 PM EST
    #edchatie Finding an overload ATM is coming from other aspects of life. As a younger teacher getting away to attend CPD or spending ages planning / upskilling was very doable. When you get to the family stage however.... time is at a serious premium.
  • AshDonohoe Dec 10 @ 4:26 PM EST
    My assumption too until I became a teacher myself.... 'they all sleep in coffins in school' 🀣 #edchatie
    • mssweeneyhomeec Dec 10 @ 4:23 PM EST
      I now understand why teachers often reference their own kids in the classroom...to drive home the point they don't (as I've been known to say 🀣) sleep in a coffin in school once the students go home 😏😏
      In reply to @AshDonohoe, @MsAOBrien, @marycleary21
  • CuffeL Dec 10 @ 4:27 PM EST
    I think its wonderful to have dreamers and people of vision in the educational system Conor...#edchatie
    In reply to @conpower, @ashjclery, @checian
  • fboss Dec 10 @ 4:27 PM EST
    I'm with you there - CPD can be enjoyable even if it's related to work too (have sometimes done CPD just for my own soul too!) #edchatie
    In reply to @CuffeL, @miriambergin, @johnmayo
  • conpower Dec 10 @ 4:28 PM EST
    You haven't discovered the grading by thorowing down the stairs method yet then. :) #edchatie
    In reply to @MsAOBrien, @marycleary21, @AshDonohoe
  • CatrionaGolden Dec 10 @ 4:28 PM EST
    More people engaging with #edchatie tonight than #INTODebates earlier. I'm sure that says something but I'm not sure what!
    In reply to @fboss
  • AshDonohoe Dec 10 @ 4:28 PM EST
    Yes I couldn't imagine adding kids into the equation! Huge respect for teachers with kids! πŸ‘ #edchatie
    In reply to @conpower
  • ashjclery Dec 10 @ 4:28 PM EST
    We have already gotten rid of summer exams for 2nd years in Eng - students do one of their CBAs instead but in-house exams are important too - they give students a benchmark for their progress. #edchatie
    In reply to @conpower, @checian
  • miriambergin Dec 10 @ 4:29 PM EST
    #edchatie Me too but last year did a computer science course and found it time consuming but very educational. Just wish you could take time of work to do some courses, rather than always have to do both together!!
    In reply to @CuffeL, @johnmayo
  • Colm_Kelleher Dec 10 @ 4:29 PM EST
    Feel overloaded when underestimating the time to complete tasks (often), seeking perfection, not utilising tech fully, can't get away from oxygen thieves #edchatie
  • FloodPaddy Dec 10 @ 4:29 PM EST
    Relevant matrix Caitriona. Also important to have a support person to bounce off when prioritizing like this #edchatie
    • CatrionaGolden Dec 10 @ 4:00 PM EST
      This quadrant model from Covey is excellent for prioritising. When we're new at something we spend a lot of time in the urgent sections. The aim is to be working from the important/not urgent section. #edchatie
      In reply to @AshDonohoe, @MorganProuty, @fboss
  • CatrionaGolden Dec 10 @ 4:29 PM EST
    Honestly, I found it helped me prioritise. You very quickly start leaving work at a reasonable time when you've a little one to pick up. #edchatie
    In reply to @AshDonohoe, @conpower