#DevDiscuss Archive

Tuesday February 21, 2017
9:00 PM EST
  • kellyjandrews Feb 21 @ 9:00 PM EST
    If you ever feel like your clients are the worst, I give you: https://t.co/sBS7iqauJp It has made many bad days better! #devdiscuss
  • ThePracticalDev Feb 21 @ 9:02 PM EST
    ‌‌  Time for tonight's #DevDiscuss Twitter chat. Tonight's topic: Freelancing ‌‌
  • Programazing Feb 21 @ 9:02 PM EST
    Sorry #DevDiscuss but I'll be skipping out on this week's topic.
  • ThePracticalDev Feb 21 @ 9:03 PM EST
    Rules: - Stay on topic - ALWAYS use hashtag #DevDiscuss - Be NICE/POSITIVE ❤️ - Quoting tweets for clarity is encouraged
  • kellyjandrews Feb 21 @ 9:04 PM EST
    If you are feeling like your clients are horrible - read "Clients From Hell" - makes every day better. https://t.co/sBS7iqauJp #devdiscuss
  • kylewelch Feb 21 @ 9:06 PM EST
    My biggest questions around freelancing, how do you get started? How do you keep project pipeline? #DevDiscuss
  • gabzillah Feb 21 @ 9:08 PM EST
    Can't jump in on the chat tonight but to all those freelancers out there check out @freelancershow it is an amazing podcast #devdiscuss
    In reply to @freelancershow
  • gumnos Feb 21 @ 9:10 PM EST
    1/ I stepped down from full-time with $COMPANY but continued to offer my services on a contract/retainer basis. #devdiscuss
    In reply to @kylewelch
  • sonuvagunder Feb 21 @ 9:10 PM EST
    what time-tracking software do you use? which is best for billing? best for keeping motivated when working alone? #devdiscuss
  • kylewelch Feb 21 @ 9:11 PM EST
    I love this odea. As devs I feel we try to roll our own too much which limits how much you can do for clients. #devdiscuss
    In reply to @sonuvagunder
  • gumnos Feb 21 @ 9:11 PM EST
    2/ This gave me the freedom to be choosier about additional work without worrying that cashflow would vanish. #devdiscuss
    In reply to @kylewelch
  • twarnock Feb 21 @ 9:11 PM EST
    You'd be VERY surprised where work can come from if you take the shotgun approach #devdiscuss
    In reply to @kylewelch
  • TiffanyW_412 Feb 21 @ 9:11 PM EST
    I really blew a project as a newbie. I wasn’t clear on my pricing and lost $1800 and a potential cheerleader. #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • georgeoffley Feb 21 @ 9:11 PM EST
    My questions would be how does one find freelancing opportunities to fill the resume when starting out? #DevDiscuss
  • mrskellyvaughn Feb 21 @ 9:12 PM EST
    Start working after hours. Keep your FT job until you know you have work coming in. Build a network w/ social media. #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @kylewelch
  • TiffanyW_412 Feb 21 @ 9:12 PM EST
    I didn’t know jack about WordPress though so it worked out. 😂😩😂 #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • avonelleL Feb 21 @ 9:12 PM EST
    Key is understanding the kind of work you want, and how freelancers will be selected so you can get in front of the right ppl. #DevDiscuss
    • kylewelch Feb 21 @ 9:06 PM EST
      My biggest questions around freelancing, how do you get started? How do you keep project pipeline? #DevDiscuss
  • kylewelch Feb 21 @ 9:12 PM EST
    does this approach change if you are doing part-time freelancing? #devdiscuss
    In reply to @twarnock
  • twarnock Feb 21 @ 9:12 PM EST
    What's the craziest client experience you've had? #DevDiscuss
  • ThePracticalDev Feb 21 @ 9:12 PM EST
    Who is freelancing for? What circumstances would lead a developer to prefer that path? #devdiscuss
  • mrskellyvaughn Feb 21 @ 9:13 PM EST
    There are several groups on Facebook that offer up leads. I got a huge helpful start on my workload from a Tweet. #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @kylewelch
  • KPath001 Feb 21 @ 9:13 PM EST
    Considering small freelancing projects to help keep my practice and look for a side business....... Any tips or advice? #devdiscuss
  • mrskellyvaughn Feb 21 @ 9:13 PM EST
    And lastly, keep marketing yourself even when you have a full workload. Dry spells are inevitable, but this helps. #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @kylewelch
  • BinaryIdiot Feb 21 @ 9:14 PM EST
    Freelancing is great for those who want to set their own hours or want to make extra money on the side. Handy for bootstrapping! #devdiscuss
  • avonelleL Feb 21 @ 9:14 PM EST
    Yes. Always be marketing. #DevDiscuss
    • mrskellyvaughn Feb 21 @ 9:13 PM EST
      And lastly, keep marketing yourself even when you have a full workload. Dry spells are inevitable, but this helps. #DevDiscuss
      In reply to @kylewelch
  • twarnock Feb 21 @ 9:14 PM EST
    It's like entrepreneurship: you're happier working 80 hours for yourself than 40 hours for someone else #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • gumnos Feb 21 @ 9:15 PM EST
    Depends on the terms of the contract/retainer with $CURRENT_CO. I try to keep 1-3 active projects at any given time. #devdiscuss
    In reply to @kylewelch
  • grmpyprogrammer Feb 21 @ 9:15 PM EST
    I realized a LOOOOOONG time ago I did not have the personality to do freelance work - part of wanting to be self-directed #DevDiscuss
  • TiffanyW_412 Feb 21 @ 9:15 PM EST
    I’d love to be a freelancer but I’m already income insecure. Having multiple revenue streams is important. #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • kellyjandrews Feb 21 @ 9:15 PM EST
    Freelancing is for anyone who wants to run their own business, and then finds out they still have a boss. #devdiscuss
  • twarnock Feb 21 @ 9:16 PM EST
    Also noteworthy that last 3 months of the year usually have a lot more small projects on stores, etc #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @mrskellyvaughn, @kylewelch
  • gumnos Feb 21 @ 9:16 PM EST
    A contract to analyze/document a project another contractor walked away from. Had to threaten court to get paid. #devdiscuss
    In reply to @twarnock
  • kylewelch Feb 21 @ 9:16 PM EST
    dry spells would be my biggest concern. How do approach quotes and setting a value to your work? #devdiscuss
    In reply to @mrskellyvaughn
  • twarnock Feb 21 @ 9:18 PM EST
    Ugh that is the worst. Some people are seriously bad business. It's worth saying no if you spot warning signs #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @gumnos
  • kylewelch Feb 21 @ 9:18 PM EST
    is their potential issues with having that many open. I have been in FTE spots where priority shift quickly. #devdiscuss
    In reply to @gumnos
  • avonelleL Feb 21 @ 9:19 PM EST
    I sell flat rate monthly support contracts to regular clients, helps smooth out the dry spells. Always some $ coming in. #DevDiscuss
    • kylewelch Feb 21 @ 9:16 PM EST
      dry spells would be my biggest concern. How do approach quotes and setting a value to your work? #devdiscuss
      In reply to @mrskellyvaughn
  • kellyjandrews Feb 21 @ 9:19 PM EST
    This, is how I'm spending tonight's #devdiscuss.
    In reply to @gumnos
  • kylewelch Feb 21 @ 9:19 PM EST
    my first dev spot was at a start up and I felt those holiday months hard. That is when I made sales. #devdiscuss @mrskellyvaughn
    In reply to @twarnock, @mrskellyvaughn
  • kellyjandrews Feb 21 @ 9:20 PM EST
    Freelancing is for any one who gets really fed up with doing other people's jobs at work. #devdiscuss
  • gumnos Feb 21 @ 9:20 PM EST
    Depends on retainer terms. My terms are X hrs/mo retained at $RATE, above that is at ($RATE * $DISSUASION_FACTOR). #devdiscuss
    In reply to @kylewelch
  • kellyjandrews Feb 21 @ 9:21 PM EST
    Freelancing is for anyone who likes to be told they are worth 25% of what they should be. #devdiscuss
  • mrskellyvaughn Feb 21 @ 9:21 PM EST
    I've changed my strategy over time, but I found charging hourly to be the easiest starting point. #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @kylewelch
  • mrskellyvaughn Feb 21 @ 9:22 PM EST
    When you set your rate/are estimating hours, multiply by at least 1.25. It's easy to undervalue and underestimate. #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @kylewelch
  • JavaScriptErika Feb 21 @ 9:22 PM EST
    Freelancing's appealing to be your own boss. Taxes are a deterrent for me! Remote work has similar freedom #devdiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • twarnock Feb 21 @ 9:23 PM EST
    Big +1 to this. Hourly is the best way to get clients to respect your time. #DevDiscuss #Respect
    In reply to @mrskellyvaughn, @kylewelch
  • mrskellyvaughn Feb 21 @ 9:23 PM EST
    Once you get an idea of what rates work and how long tasks are taking, move onto project- or value-based pricing. #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @kylewelch
  • kylewelch Feb 21 @ 9:23 PM EST
    so at those shift you reevaluate rate. Using the three-legged stool. #devdiscuss
    In reply to @gumnos
  • keiyasui Feb 21 @ 9:23 PM EST
    If you can handle mental strain of non-linear income and are drawn to high risk/high reward scenarios #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • gumnos Feb 21 @ 9:23 PM EST
    Devs who want to spend disproportionate time on billing, marketing, client-relations, taxes, … 😉 #devdiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • mrskellyvaughn Feb 21 @ 9:24 PM EST
    It's definitely true. January and July are usually my two slowest months. #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @kylewelch, @twarnock
  • bendhalpern Feb 21 @ 9:25 PM EST
    I love the independence of entrepreneurship, really struggled with the responsibilities of solo freelance. #DevDiscuss
  • kylewelch Feb 21 @ 9:26 PM EST
    so, if you are going the business route did you start an LLC with business plan and all? Intent to hire? #devdiscuss
    In reply to @MikeNGarrett
  • NeilEBryant Feb 21 @ 9:27 PM EST
    for me, it was partly the smokejumper nature: run in, solve problems, run away. Doing hard stuff is interesting #devdiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • kellyjandrews Feb 21 @ 9:27 PM EST
    Anyone who enjoys talking to people who think they know more than you, and really want to prove it. #devdiscuss
  • bendhalpern Feb 21 @ 9:27 PM EST
    I'm a good solo worker, but the taxes, accounting, being polite to clients, etc. etc. really make freelance a bad choice for me. #DevDiscuss
  • avonelleL Feb 21 @ 9:27 PM EST
    Interesting. I've been freelancing 13 years, no consistent slow times on the calendar for me. #DevDiscuss
    • mrskellyvaughn Feb 21 @ 9:24 PM EST
      It's definitely true. January and July are usually my two slowest months. #DevDiscuss
      In reply to @kylewelch, @twarnock
  • twarnock Feb 21 @ 9:28 PM EST
    What tools do you use most for freelancing? #DevDiscuss
  • kellyjandrews Feb 21 @ 9:28 PM EST
    .@kylewelch @MikeNGarrett Do these things even if you don't intend to hire. Have a plan, and protect yourself with some entity. #devdiscuss
    In reply to @kylewelch, @MikeNGarrett
  • bendhalpern Feb 21 @ 9:29 PM EST
    The overhead of setting and managing expectations in freelance work is too much for me to want to get back into. #DevDiscuss
  • kylewelch Feb 21 @ 9:29 PM EST
    that is a huge reason I don't think I could go full time freelance. I want to focus on my craft. Not business #devdiscuss
    In reply to @bendhalpern
  • kellyjandrews Feb 21 @ 9:29 PM EST
    .@bendhalpern My issue was keeping the pipeline full. I couldn't find clients AND work for them at the same time. #devdiscuss
    In reply to @bendhalpern
  • twarnock Feb 21 @ 9:29 PM EST
    What types of projects do you typically work on? #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @avonelleL
  • _asqrd Feb 21 @ 9:30 PM EST
    #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • twarnock Feb 21 @ 9:30 PM EST
    Listening to clients tell you how the Internet, SEO, etc work 😂 #devdiscuss
    In reply to @kellyjandrews
  • mrskellyvaughn Feb 21 @ 9:31 PM EST
    Registering an LLC is incredibly important. You separate personal and business assets. #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @kellyjandrews, @kylewelch, @MikeNGarrett
  • Tribex_ Feb 21 @ 9:31 PM EST
    Frequent travelling, inconsistent work location. #devdiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • CWReaceJr Feb 21 @ 9:31 PM EST
    Similar for me: I tried it for a couple years, but failed as a sales person and accounts receivable person. #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @bendhalpern
  • kellyjandrews Feb 21 @ 9:31 PM EST
    .@twarnock Editing documents by hand and faxing back #devdiscuss
    In reply to @twarnock
  • bendhalpern Feb 21 @ 9:32 PM EST
    @mrskellyvaughn I think it depends on how close to the metal your work is. Closer to "business" parts, more seasonal #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @avonelleL, @mrskellyvaughn
  • gumnos Feb 21 @ 9:32 PM EST
    Fostering long-term retainer contracts smooths out those ups-and-downs. Also, bank mucho savings. #devdiscuss
    In reply to @kellyjandrews, @bendhalpern
  • kellyjandrews Feb 21 @ 9:32 PM EST
    .@kylewelch LLCs are least difficult to set up. You can find a good lawyer for $$$, or online for $. Helps in so many ways. #devdiscuss
    In reply to @kylewelch
  • twarnock Feb 21 @ 9:32 PM EST
    When they say can they mail you a check #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @kellyjandrews
  • mrskellyvaughn Feb 21 @ 9:32 PM EST
    I usually get plenty of leads from the "new year, new website" crowd, but they're often much slower to convert. #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @avonelleL
  • kylewelch Feb 21 @ 9:33 PM EST
    how do recommend registering a LLC? I didn't know where to start. Is there a threshold to hit first? #devdiscuss
    In reply to @mrskellyvaughn
  • kellyjandrews Feb 21 @ 9:33 PM EST
    100% #devdiscuss
    In reply to @mrskellyvaughn, @kylewelch, @MikeNGarrett
  • avonelleL Feb 21 @ 9:33 PM EST
    My clients are small, tech savvy orgs, and the projects are typically 1-3 months long. (But def. also 2 days or 6+ months too.) #DevDiscuss
    • twarnock Feb 21 @ 9:29 PM EST
      What types of projects do you typically work on? #DevDiscuss
      In reply to @avonelleL
  • philibertdugas Feb 21 @ 9:34 PM EST
    Freelancing would be for a "full stack" developer where the stack goes from getting a contract to getting paid #devdiscuss
  • mrskellyvaughn Feb 21 @ 9:34 PM EST
    No threshold, anyone can register. Check your state's Dept. Of Revenue site for more info + forms. #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @kylewelch
  • kellyjandrews Feb 21 @ 9:34 PM EST
    .@kylewelch @mrskellyvaughn This might help you out - https://t.co/InM1V7Mh9T #devdiscuss
    In reply to @kylewelch, @mrskellyvaughn
  • gumnos Feb 21 @ 9:34 PM EST
    I ensure contract terms include late-payment penalties. Makes me feel less-bad if they're late. #devdiscuss
    In reply to @twarnock, @kellyjandrews
  • twarnock Feb 21 @ 9:34 PM EST
    That is a good setup to have! #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @avonelleL
  • mrskellyvaughn Feb 21 @ 9:35 PM EST
    You can also use a tool such as LegalZoom to register your LLC, but you'll pay more. #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @kylewelch
  • bendhalpern Feb 21 @ 9:35 PM EST
    No need to wait IMO. ASAP. I had a lawyer give friend rate, but you can do it or use online services #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @kylewelch, @mrskellyvaughn
  • kellyjandrews Feb 21 @ 9:36 PM EST
    I've done that. And have lost clients who still didn't pay on time when I asked for it. #devdiscuss
    In reply to @gumnos, @twarnock
  • avonelleL Feb 21 @ 9:36 PM EST
    All my clients are small, and the systems are integral to their business offerings. But I can see your point. #DevDiscuss
    • bendhalpern Feb 21 @ 9:32 PM EST
      @mrskellyvaughn I think it depends on how close to the metal your work is. Closer to "business" parts, more seasonal #DevDiscuss
      In reply to @avonelleL, @mrskellyvaughn
  • donnfelker Feb 21 @ 9:36 PM EST
    Autonomy. Self reliance. Choice of projects and clients. Being your own boss. New experiences. #devdiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • avonelleL Feb 21 @ 9:37 PM EST
    I actually try to avoid that kind of work. #DevDiscuss
    • mrskellyvaughn Feb 21 @ 9:32 PM EST
      I usually get plenty of leads from the "new year, new website" crowd, but they're often much slower to convert. #DevDiscuss
      In reply to @avonelleL
  • avonelleL Feb 21 @ 9:38 PM EST
    It works for me. Almost all my work is repeat customers, so I don't have to chase new biz much. #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @twarnock
  • twarnock Feb 21 @ 9:39 PM EST
    I do have to say we built https://t.co/9DgJ3UZ9jO with freelancers heavily in mind #devdiscuss #webdevelopment
  • gumnos Feb 21 @ 9:39 PM EST
    Showing contract terms & prepared court documents with a "do I need to file this?" have worked for me. #devdiscuss
    In reply to @kellyjandrews, @twarnock
  • gumnos Feb 21 @ 9:40 PM EST
    Fortunately, I've only needed to do that once. And losing a client that doesn't pay? Not a big loss. #devdiscuss
    In reply to @kellyjandrews, @twarnock
  • kellyjandrews Feb 21 @ 9:41 PM EST
    It's usually like, $200. Not worth court fees. I just dropped them as a client. #devdiscuss
    In reply to @gumnos, @twarnock
  • bendhalpern Feb 21 @ 9:41 PM EST
    May I ask why you have chosen this niche, and do you plan to keep doing this kind of work in future? #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @mrskellyvaughn, @avonelleL
  • twarnock Feb 21 @ 9:41 PM EST
    That I think is the holy grail of freelancing -- you've proven yourself and my guess is they give you room to work 👌 #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @avonelleL
  • Cramp_twin Feb 21 @ 9:41 PM EST
    For self directed, independent people with entrepreneurship mindset & good people's skills to manage situations #devdiscuss
  • mrskellyvaughn Feb 21 @ 9:42 PM EST
    I love ecommerce, and I love helping other entrepreneurs work towards running their own businesses. #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @bendhalpern, @avonelleL
  • mrskellyvaughn Feb 21 @ 9:43 PM EST
    I'll continue working in ecommerce as long as it's still relevant. It's good money and quite fun! #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @bendhalpern, @avonelleL
  • LuishXY Feb 21 @ 9:44 PM EST
    Freelancing is a great place to begin. Build a brand and reputation and from there anything is possible. #devdiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • mrskellyvaughn Feb 21 @ 9:44 PM EST
    Lastly, helping others start up their own businesses has made me much more efficient at running my own. #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @bendhalpern, @avonelleL
  • twarnock Feb 21 @ 9:44 PM EST
    Any funny products? My wife did a Shopify project for aromatic shower heads 😂 #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @mrskellyvaughn, @bendhalpern, @avonelleL
  • MageeWorld Feb 21 @ 9:44 PM EST
    #devdiscuss I wish I could figure out how to freelance - i haven't applied for a job in over a decade :(
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • avonelleL Feb 21 @ 9:45 PM EST
    Communication and being reliable is huge. Customers will pay for that. #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @twarnock
  • davidcstevens_ Feb 21 @ 9:45 PM EST
    Freelancing is for anyone who wants to practice new skills or utilize a wealth of knowledge for an existing one #devdiscuss
  • ThePracticalDev Feb 21 @ 9:46 PM EST
    What tools do you use in your freelance work? #devdiscuss
  • mrskellyvaughn Feb 21 @ 9:47 PM EST
    None too terribly funny, but I did learn way more about 800+ different magnets than I'd ever need to know! #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @twarnock
  • davidcstevens_ Feb 21 @ 9:47 PM EST
    I got started by being active on product forums…once ppl saw I knew the product, they pitched ideas they wanted built #devdiscuss
    In reply to @kylewelch
  • gumnos Feb 21 @ 9:47 PM EST
    Mostly home-grown time-tracking & invoice generation, but some clients demand I double-enter in their tools. #devdiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • avonelleL Feb 21 @ 9:48 PM EST
    I can't think of any funny products I've worked with. :-( #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @twarnock, @mrskellyvaughn, @bendhalpern
  • bendhalpern Feb 21 @ 9:49 PM EST
    NO I WON'T WRITE ALL YOUR COPY ALSO! I DO NOT UNDERSTAND YOUR PRODUCT OR MARKET AND YOU DID NOT PAY ME TO DO THAT! #devdiscuss
  • twarnock Feb 21 @ 9:49 PM EST
    https://t.co/9DgJ3UZ9jO -- built for freelancers, by freelancers 😎 #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • davidcstevens_ Feb 21 @ 9:49 PM EST
    Google docs for shared discovery/reqs, Trello/Waffle for task tracking, Gitlab for private repos, Typora for documentation #devdiscuss
  • gumnos Feb 21 @ 9:49 PM EST
    I hear that "more than I'd ever need to know!" having it from multiple fields. 👍 #devdiscuss
    In reply to @mrskellyvaughn, @twarnock
  • mrskellyvaughn Feb 21 @ 9:49 PM EST
    .@basecamp, @freshbooks, @Calendly, @Shopify, and @Docracy are my big 5! #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @basecamp, @freshbooks, @Calendly, @Shopify, @Docracy
  • twarnock Feb 21 @ 9:50 PM EST
    Haha, but who's going to write the copy if the developer doesn't do it??? #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @bendhalpern
  • avonelleL Feb 21 @ 9:51 PM EST
    I'm sure I'm in the minority, but since I don't do hourly work, I've found Quicken Home and Business works fine for my invoicing #DevDiscuss
  • MageeWorld Feb 21 @ 9:51 PM EST
    #devdiscuss In my experience, in a small business, the owner controls everything :)
    In reply to @twarnock, @bendhalpern
  • mrskellyvaughn Feb 21 @ 9:51 PM EST
    Unfortunately bar trivia questions never ask about magnet applications or rave clothing! #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @gumnos, @twarnock
  • gumnos Feb 21 @ 9:52 PM EST
    If they want to include copy-authoring in the contract, I'll quote a rate. An uncomfortable rate, but… #devdiscuss
    In reply to @twarnock, @bendhalpern
  • davidcstevens_ Feb 21 @ 9:52 PM EST
    I keep a change log for every client request and price it accordingly 🙂 #devdiscuss
    In reply to @bendhalpern
  • gumnos Feb 21 @ 9:53 PM EST
    Funny, I've never gotten deep questions about cellphone plan management in The Real World™ either. #devdiscuss
    In reply to @mrskellyvaughn, @twarnock
  • davidgagne Feb 21 @ 9:53 PM EST
    @unsplash, @freshbooks, Coda by @panic #devdiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev, @unsplash, @freshbooks, @panic
  • codebeing Feb 21 @ 9:54 PM EST
    Visual Studio Code #devdiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev
  • kellyjandrews Feb 21 @ 9:55 PM EST
    I can't recommend @freshbooks enough. Was a great invoice tools for my freelance work #devdiscuss
    In reply to @freshbooks
  • avonelleL Feb 21 @ 9:55 PM EST
    Protip: You don't have to say yes to everything. I tell clients "no" all the time. #DevDiscuss
  • knaughtFTW Feb 21 @ 9:55 PM EST
    @freshbooks Been a happy customer since 2007. #devdiscuss
    In reply to @ThePracticalDev, @freshbooks
  • MageeWorld Feb 21 @ 9:56 PM EST
    I'd like to say it's possible, but, and then spell out why it's not really in their budget/time frame :) #devdiscuss
    In reply to @avonelleL
  • avonelleL Feb 21 @ 9:56 PM EST
    Yes, exactly. #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @davidcstevens_, @twarnock
  • bendhalpern Feb 21 @ 9:57 PM EST
    I fail to manage expectations and then blame the clients. You probably shouldn't hire me to do freelancing. #DevDiscuss
  • avonelleL Feb 21 @ 9:57 PM EST
    Yes, that too. I like to provide financial incentives to get clients to do the right thing. ;-) #DevDiscuss
    In reply to @MageeWorld
  • gumnos Feb 21 @ 9:57 PM EST
    Though I've accrued my own homegrown workflow, for new freelancers, I hear lots of good about @freshbooks. #devdiscuss
    In reply to @kellyjandrews, @freshbooks
  • frankrietta Feb 21 @ 9:59 PM EST
    .@bendhalpern I've written a few privacy & security statements. Turns out that most clients' lawyers don't get this stuff. #devdiscuss
    In reply to @bendhalpern
  • MageeWorld Feb 21 @ 9:59 PM EST
    #devdiscuss saying no flat out just often leaves a bad taste i think - if you show them WHY it's a no - they feel better:)
    In reply to @avonelleL