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Tuesday May 3, 2016
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I think this is a great topic for at least the connected educators.
JOIN Does it matter that some thought leaders in deuce may be using social media more for self-promotion than thought leadership?
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: Does thought leader self-promotion lead to though change? Are they promoting books or ideas and conferences supported by books?
Doesn't seem to be a "hot topic" so I'll jump in - self-promotion may help to get the good ideas spread.
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, yes, but creating authentic assessments does not necessarily mean one differentiates instruction.
Indeed, an important issue for every connected educator to consider... certainly one that I often think about
It's extremely easy and convenient to mute or block self-promoters. https://t.co/xaRs7nLCwA
Topic: Does it matter that some thought leaders in edu may be using social media more for self-promotion than thought leadership?
Topic: Does it matter that some thought leaders in edu may be using social media more for self-promotion than thought leadership?
I also think that most people see through the situations when the promotion becomes more than the ideas.
Self-promotion could also be used for good if the leader is trying to share their thoughts and ideas through promoting themselves
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Seems like doing thought leadership is self promotion.
So does it matter that some thought leaders in ed may be using social media more for self-promotion than leadership?
WELCOME Topic: Does it matter that some thought leaders in educ may be using soc-media more for self-promotion than leadership?
Today's topic is asking if self promotion of thought leaders gets in the way of thought leadership. Interesting topic.
I would hope that we believe more strongly in the ideas than we do the people who deliver them, but we are swayed by the messengers.
Thanks Tom... I agree with you...
Self promotion should be an ancillary benefit of thought leadership not the primary goal.
I think it becomes an issue when the leader cares more about their popularity than sharing their ideas
Anyone who thinks he is a THOUGHT LEADER is deluded. A quick look at his followers will show this to be true.
Educators who use social media to facilitate the learning of others are also self-promoting themselves in a positive way.
It’s pretty easy to spot the people who’s main goal is self promotion. Education’s version of snake oil salesmen
Soc-media is inherently about the self. As long as they add to the community in a positive way it shouldn't matter.
I'm not convinced number of followers indicate that. There are many non-thought people who have tons of followers.
We need credentials rather than grades. Some innovative schools are doing it.
if the thought leader's ideas are poor, than no amount of self-promotion will overcome that
How do we sort out what is self promotion and what is sharing a message or belief? Isn't the sharing an attempt to connect?
well, if i start with self-promotion then leadership and thoughts are unlikely to follow...
It’s easy to spot the people who put self promoting first.
Has to be fine balance between discussion of thoughts and self promotion: Followers will see over time
SELF promotion is a oneway street…to nowhere.
Educators who are not facilitating the learning of others and are just self-promoting themselves are not self-promoting at all.
I feel that promoting my self to an extent can help promote my causes.
Tchrs need to get over the belief that sharing is bragging. Thought leaders do need to promote ideas. It seems better if selfless.
If the thoughts create + change it doesn't matter if it is self-promotion or ed-promotion we just need kid-promortion
If all the Thought leader does is ONEWAY promotion then not a true thought leader: Need to be a healthy exchange of ideas ++
Promoting yourself should serve to promote your causes.
Maybe I need a clear definition of what self promotion is.
If you’re thinking about thought leadership then you’re thinking about the wrong thing…
followers can be purchased. That's why I'm more interested in who a person follows the who follows him...
Very true! Leadership and sharing thoughts should always be the main goal.
Agree. If you believe in your ideas you also need to promote yourself to give them/you some "cred"
The key is to ask, "How do I know whether someone (or some company) is just self-promoting and not adding value to learners?"
SOCIAL MEDIA makes everyone a thought leader…
On twitter i try my best to give my best stuff away… freely, without expectations (sometimes I do this better than at other times)…
What they say and what they do speaks volumes. And usually gets passed on.
Agreed. Sometimes causes need a platform to jump off from.
Good points... ideas without exchange aren't good much ...
I believe that some people can balance the self-promotion while still learning new techniques and skills
It's important to shed the leaders from the ideas in order to promote the ideas.The best self-promotion is to keep having big ideas.
, perhaps it just gives everyone a blowhorn. :)
Interesting, never thought about looking at it that way before. Good thing to look for!
Thought leaders have to promote, but are they also giving of their time and knowledge to grow with the ROOM? That is a true leader
I second this. Self-promotion isn't bad, but it is all about balance. https://t.co/1uHCBpxxhH
I believe that some people can balance the self-promotion while still learning new techniques and skills
, How about social media gives everyone the potential to be a thought leader...?
I enjoy being able to interact with ed leaders in forums like One way communication feels like more bad PD
, Action speaks louder than words...
Thought leaders are more concerned with Pedagogy and Practices than ... products ... Very easy to see the difference
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I try to follow all educators who follow me… and interact with as many as humanly possible…they are my TEACHERS, I learn from them
True! But not all that ideas or innovations need to be big. Small tweaks also move us forward. https://t.co/OD3wCYZRsC
It's important to shed the leaders from the ideas in order to promote the ideas.The best self-promotion is to keep having big ideas.
, I don't separate the two...it is possible to lead and self-promote at the same time, doing the same thing.
Hi Andrea. best to spend time thinking thoughts that attract followers, rather than thinking about getting followers...
very good point. It's important to have that back and forth, not just one person promoting their views
If you do a good job promoting your causes/thoughts you will end up promoting yourself.
I agree, it's in the motives behind the person and what they're trying to accomplish: either popularity or sharing ideas
Nope: everyone can unfollow, mute, block. To each his own and less judgments all around. https://t.co/1spkOV6lnq
Topic: Does it matter that some thought leaders in edu may be using social media more for self-promotion than thought leadership?
, teaching and learning are synchronous...
I wanted to say great or good but the 120 limit left me with big.
extremely true! I'm new to this chatting, but have found it extremely helpful in gaining new ideas
... and thoughts that lead to good deeds speak loudest of all...
It’s not the thought leadership that matters…it’s the thinking.
Ah yes I agree. Very true. Genuine idea-sharing has a different feel than delivering quotable tweets
absolutely. Sharing ideas is much more important, and I believe someone can self-promote while still sharing
Ha! Been there. Just clarifying for others. https://t.co/StowfJoaN5
I wanted to say great or good but the 120 limit left me with big.
The thought leaders I follow say more about my thinking than their leadership…
Thanks Shari... indeed, there is method to the madness of social media.
The more noticed you get the more you can promote your ideas/causes.
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yes they are... no duality.
Agreed. Social media gives everyone a soap box but that doesn't mean everyone is listening. Quality of ideas wins.
I see that!! I'm happy to be joining the movement
Does it matter if they wouldn't be thought leaders without social media? No. They have found a way to lead. https://t.co/2y009RLt6j
SOCIAL MEDIA makes everyone a thought leader…
, teaching and learning are different, but can occur both synchronously and asynchronously.
That works too. https://t.co/CgQyMYbgTn
, How about social media gives everyone the potential to be a thought leader...?
I try to follow a variety of thought leaders. I like the diversity because it pushes me to have divergent thinking.
Retweeted Mark E. Weston Ph.D. ():
It’s not the thought leadership that matters…it’s the thinking.
create classroom disruption?
Some great ideas for Edu have come from the connected community. Some came from self-promoting edus, but the ideas were still good
, Important...follow those who have diverse opinions and not like-minded individuals...
Pay attention when thought leaders end up agreeing on subjects like state tests are bad for kids.
Good thoughts attract followers...
Right Mark: If you have good thoughts it will result in self-promotion.
Of course. How will we learn and grow if keep hearing the same opinion over and over again?
But they are. https://t.co/F4SZeq2fjG
Pay attention when thought leaders end up agreeing on subjects like state tests are bad for kids.
Thanks Maggie... on social media, as with life, we reap what we sow...
Becoming an "influencer" yourself seems like a shallow goal. WHAT are you influencing? That's what matters. https://t.co/PgPNKlmWTC
If you’re thinking about thought leadership then you’re thinking about the wrong thing…
yep, relative... ...but most likely, good is in the eye of the followers...
I’m suspicious of anyone who aspires to be a thought leader… and doubly suspicious of anyone who promotes himself as one.
Self-promotion is about leading a digital footprint that affords one to grow and cultivate a PLN with a purpose in mind.
Many thought leaders started out as edus & have now moved to the private sector.Maybe public Ed should better appreciate Ppl w/ideas
Self-promotion is about leaving a digital footprint that affords one to grow and cultivate a PLN with a purpose in mind.
And Maggie, you know what? We love being connected with you...
yes if that is their main goal then it seems as if they care more about themselves than helping share ideas w/ others
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not sure if I'm on the same page maybe. Being an influencer is crucial as a leader. It's a needed skill.
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Agreed. Social media gives everyone a soap box but that doesn't mean everyone is listening. Quality of ideas wins.
To me the most important part of this education twitter community is the sharing of ideas, not becoming famous
I think I'm most suspicious of anyone who self-proclaims to be one. THIS is so true! https://t.co/lrLtCW1KMr
I’m suspicious of anyone who aspires to be a thought leader… and doubly suspicious of anyone who promotes himself as one.
Exactly. Seems like most counties/school boards fear thought leaders because they are change agents. https://t.co/q21P5vUrQe
Many thought leaders started out as edus & have now moved to the private sector.Maybe public Ed should better appreciate Ppl w/ideas
When education thought leaders promote the leader half more than the though half there may be a conflict of interest.
Less about appreciation, more about systems change that allows ideas to promote collaboration & change https://t.co/DFu6FtCi7w
Many thought leaders started out as edus & have now moved to the private sector.Maybe public Ed should better appreciate Ppl w/ideas
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And Maggie, you know what? We love being connected with you...
Self-promoting is about quality over quantity; less about the # of followers but the interactions one has with those followers.
School Boards are elected volunteers without educational expertise. No way to run a business.
How on earth do you separate? True, authentic leadership requires quality of thought & action. https://t.co/fNgaZvwQR1
When education thought leaders promote the leader half more than the though half there may be a conflict of interest.
I’m happiest when I don’t take myself seriously…
Sorry. https://t.co/VrQme81d1x
I may dislike canned picture/quote tweets or 🙄 at a tweet w 10 mentions/hashtags. But my choice to consume https://t.co/Pa0FOEsITh
Agreed. Social media gives everyone a soap box but that doesn't mean everyone is listening. Quality of ideas wins.
When education thought leaders promote the leader half more than the thought half there may be a conflict of interest.
Is it possible to present at a conference without engaging in some degree of self promotion?
Self-promotion does not come from "thoughtless leadership" - it has the opposite effect.
BRING YOUR BEST to social media… give it freely… expect nothing in return.
I meant influencer in the branding-yourself-as-an-influencer sense. That's for others to decide. Leadership can be quiet.
Yeah, there are some who, when it comes to presentations, "phone it in"
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Why wouldn't it be possible? Are you presenting about you? Usually the presentation is about an idea. https://t.co/wTOdzlPg3x
Is it possible to present at a conference without engaging in some degree of self promotion?
What a novel idea. https://t.co/YJ0t3B0pqR
Many thought leaders started out as edus & have now moved to the private sector.Maybe public Ed should better appreciate Ppl w/ideas
Sharing with no interaction is a poor use of social media that lacks leadership, and is a poor form of self-promotion.
Nuance. Self-promotion that offers the respondent little=little value. So promote value
Same here. But I think there are some people whose ideas are deserving of a larger platform. https://t.co/VtCFGWEAT4
To me the most important part of this education twitter community is the sharing of ideas, not becoming famous
... self-deprecation rather than self-promotion...
And I am sure there are those in the private sector who have moved to education for the right reasons. https://t.co/7LhtnhpAe7
What a novel idea. https://t.co/YJ0t3B0pqR
Many thought leaders started out as edus & have now moved to the private sector.Maybe public Ed should better appreciate Ppl w/ideas
Slowly but surely, we're learning that social media is actually about everyone else. That's why it's social. https://t.co/Kc0HYRDZHH
Soc-media is inherently about the self. As long as they add to the community in a positive way it shouldn't matter.
What do you look for when seeking variety in thought leaders to follow? https://t.co/Os5Id3QSH1
I try to follow a variety of thought leaders. I like the diversity because it pushes me to have divergent thinking.
What makes someone an influencer?
thanks Benjamin... how so?
I agree. Especially if your speaking/consulting/content is your livelihood you don't have to offer for free on SM
Topic-Does it matter that some thought leaders in edu may be using social media more for self-promotion than thought leadership?
Is this the part of where I tell you to buy my books, read my blog, and come to my chat where we don't chat about twitter?
Yep https://t.co/WCUm3htEiJ
And twitter self-selects that for the most part, and we must boost the ideas and people who deserve the platform.
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Topic: Does it matter that some thought leaders in edu may be using social media more for self-promotion than thought leadership?
well... isn't the fact that we exist, to some extent, an act of self promotion?
, Although action speaks louder than words, words still matter.
I look 4 leaders in & outside the field of edu. Edus from various grade levels, ages & backgrounds. Tech ldrs &Reading Pros
that Tom... is the essential struggle that thinkers face...
I disagree. Leadership is about both the thoughts and the results.
have been in chats about this. I see them as someone who exerts a strong influence within a community.
Yes, as long as both align. :) https://t.co/XcpyfkkVZp
I disagree. Leadership is about both the thoughts and the results.
Well Kory... any day that includes you is a GREAT DAY.
Is there a difference between "test prep" and "test practice"? (in re SAT)
- I also think there is a difference b/t active self-promotion & inherent self-promotion in a conf setting.
, absolutely...read Popham (2008).
gr8t thought leaders ask the best questions, listen the most, and take time to reflect...
Ppl need to be appreciated for their contributions. The amount of appreciation needs varies. Maybe we should show more appreciation.
I've engaged in critiques about influencing. Seems overused. Anyone can claim it. Should kids? They have.
how -> Self-promotion does not come from "thoughtless leadership"
Right. The same can be said for attending which does result in some self-promotion.
Right. The same can be said for attending which does result in some self-promotion.
, What does it mean "to be appreciated"?
Maybe, but good thought ldrs can also just be facilitators of great convos. Conveners of strong contributors https://t.co/JyYzdHoIVi
gr8t thought leaders ask the best questions, listen the most, and take time to reflect...
I attend for PD but end up with some self-promotion.
Thanks... let's hope so...
. For me it is someone recognizing what I contribute to make a difference in education change.
Well this seems silly since I was defending your right to do whatever you want, and my right to ignore. https://t.co/cUHUnctq0h
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I may dislike canned picture/quote tweets or 🙄 at a tweet w 10 mentions/hashtags. But my choice to consume https://t.co/Pa0FOEsITh
Agreed. Social media gives everyone a soap box but that doesn't mean everyone is listening. Quality of ideas wins.
. you're right. We can't start social media with, "So what do you wanna talk about?"
they develop a sense of respect from others, by sharing experiences knowledge & respect given to others.
- Truth. Sharing ideas in a public forum like inherently lends itself to some passive promotion of self.
There's no doubt, words matter. But words without actions and without results...aren't they just words?
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THANK you for participating in an exploration of THOUGHT LEADERSHIP AND SOCIAL MEDIA. Have a Happy Teachers Day. Rock on>
Yes. Test prep includes test practice. But normal classroom instruction should affect test outcomes https://t.co/3YYhE41Vp5
Is there a difference between "test prep" and "test practice"? (in re SAT)
It'd be like asking someone where they want to go for dinner. Lots of options but no clear direction or progress.
I don't think so. Words are actions and results in themselves. Not always sufficient but sometimes.
, I don't think anyone is arguing against words with no action.
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Self-promotion is a byproduct of educational leadership.
I say this because ppl often shy away from the words due to fear of required accompanying action
Can you explain how "words are actions and results"?
I see them as an ongoing link, a means to an end.
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, words are not actions. Words and actions must align.
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It takes a certain amount of courage to present ideas in a the public arena of social media. That is not always appreciated.
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Ex: words when deliberately used for affirmation and acknowledgment can be incredibly valuable.
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It takes a certain amount of courage to present ideas in a the public arena of social media. That is not always appreciated.
Thanks for that promotion.
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, Not sure I seek appreciation, although it's nice when it emerges.
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Most "self-promoters" hitch themselves to a "for the kids" topic, then they are promoting an idea not self
They are also usually a part of an organization, team, publishing house that does their promoting for them
. Challenge is that with social media, every idea (or tweet) is accompanied by a picture and our unconcious biases.
Thanks for such a great first chat! I learned a lot from observing and contributing to this chat!
We don't really have thought leaders here :(
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Thanks for a few great examples ! So where's the line on self-promo vs. thought leadership?
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Doesn't matter if the ideas are useful. Impossible to play motive police and probably not helpful. Focus on ideas.
My favorite part of today was that you wrote "I disagree." THAT discourse challenges us to be better leaders!
I value sharing ideas & promoting work of others. Not a fan of self-promotion.
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