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A chat for high school football coaches. Topics discussed: coaching methods, program development, and impacting our athletes.
Wednesday November 16, 2016
9:00 PM EST
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Nov 16 @ 9:00 PM EST
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Nov 16 @ 9:01 PM EST
Mike Stauffer, DC, Patriot HS, SoCal.
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Nov 16 @ 9:02 PM EST
Tonight we are discussing our Personnel Packages and how we employ them on offense and defense
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Nov 16 @ 9:03 PM EST
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Nov 16 @ 9:04 PM EST
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CoachKelleyAHS
Nov 16 @ 9:04 PM EST
Zach Kelley and DC/LB at Dallas Adamson
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Coach_Shiffman
Nov 16 @ 9:04 PM EST
Tony Shiffman. Offensive line coach.
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Nov 16 @ 9:05 PM EST
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CoachJoshHadden
Nov 16 @ 9:05 PM EST
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Josh Hadden. Head Coach @ Aiken Middle School in Aiken, SC
bhscoachshelton
Nov 16 @ 9:05 PM EST
Paul Shelton, Bearden High School, Knoxville, TN
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JoshRagsdale
Nov 16 @ 9:05 PM EST
Josh Ragsdale, HFC South Garland HS, Garland, TX
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Nov 16 @ 9:06 PM EST
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Nov 16 @ 9:07 PM EST
Let's get going! Q1 starts in 1 minute!
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vandyfan13
Nov 16 @ 9:07 PM EST
Seth Bass, North Shelby HS, Shelbyville, MO
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Nov 16 @ 9:08 PM EST
Q1: How many different personnel packages do you employ?
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CoachKelleyAHS
Nov 16 @ 9:08 PM EST
A1: Didn't have much opportunity to use these this year on D. Definitely looking to these next year!
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IrishCoachT
Nov 16 @ 9:09 PM EST
Brett Taveau JV Quality Control & Get Back Coach Father Ryan HS Nashvegas, TN
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ocjacobmorris77
Nov 16 @ 9:09 PM EST
A1: depends on the year. Try to use as many as kids as we can
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Coach_Shiffman
Nov 16 @ 9:09 PM EST
A1: 21, 11, 10, 20 and empty. Mostly stay in 21 or 11 though.
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bhscoachshelton
Nov 16 @ 9:10 PM EST
This year, we consistently used 5-6 personnel packages per game.
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Coach_Shiffman
Nov 16 @ 9:10 PM EST
yup
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vandyfan13
Nov 16 @ 9:10 PM EST
A1: 2-3 on defense, hoping to use 2 on offense next year. This year, we essentially had 1.
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Coach_Shiffman
Nov 16 @ 9:11 PM EST
A1: totally answered that question wrong. Really we didn't have too many. Stayed with our main guys
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IrishCoachT
Nov 16 @ 9:11 PM EST
A1: 10, 11, 12, 21, 32, 00
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CoachJoshHadden
Nov 16 @ 9:12 PM EST
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A1: 5. 4 WR/1RB, 5 WR, 3WR/1TE/1RB, 3WR/2RB, 3RB/2TE
Coach_Shiffman
Nov 16 @ 9:13 PM EST
maybe I didn't answer it wrong A1: 21, 11, 10, 20 and empty
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JoshRagsdale
Nov 16 @ 9:13 PM EST
A1: not a lot this year. Couple offensively and a couple defensively!
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CoachOrtiz1
Nov 16 @ 9:13 PM EST
A1 depends on your players. If you have a TE who can block, catch, and run...might not need to many.
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Nov 16 @ 9:15 PM EST
Q2: How do you use each package differently?
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coachfisher_rp
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Nov 16 @ 9:16 PM EST
A1: we have 3 primary Packages we use interchangeably, 21, 10, and 11...10&11 don't change the kids as much as where they lineup
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JasonFeeback
Nov 16 @ 9:16 PM EST
Jason Feeback, Head Coach/OL, Spring Hill Broncos, Spring Hill, KS
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Coach_Shiffman
Nov 16 @ 9:16 PM EST
A2: depends on what you're trying to do and where you are on the field. Short yardage, long yardage, redzone etc. etc.
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Coach_Shiffman
Nov 16 @ 9:16 PM EST
A2: if you have some hybrid type guys you can really change your tempo and attack a slower defense too
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JasonFeeback
Nov 16 @ 9:17 PM EST
A1. Defensively, we ran our base package 99% of the time. We try to be great at what we do.
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vandyfan13
Nov 16 @ 9:18 PM EST
A2: Defensively, we just slid back & forth between odd & even fronts. Nothing real exciting. Brought more pressure from odd
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IrishCoachT
Nov 16 @ 9:18 PM EST
A2: to create space, favorable matchups, defensive predictability and to get as many guys involved as possible (rest)
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coachfisher_rp
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Nov 16 @ 9:19 PM EST
A2b: We can run our full offense with all the packages and some creativity, which helps us keep teams off balance
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Nov 16 @ 9:19 PM EST
A2: Depends on the play, situation, and our current status in the game
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CoachHuey
Nov 16 @ 9:19 PM EST
A2: using a TE (11) allows you more RPO options, reading ILBs, OLB's, & even Safeties. Much harder to do all that from 10.
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CoachJoshHadden
Nov 16 @ 9:21 PM EST
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A2: Down&Distance situational, match ups, spacing, pace of play
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Nov 16 @ 9:22 PM EST
Q3: How do you use each package the same?
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CoachU_
Nov 16 @ 9:22 PM EST
Maurice Upshaw, Running backs Midwest City High Midwest City, Ok
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Coach_Shiffman
Nov 16 @ 9:23 PM EST
A3: same base plays from different looks. Keep things simple for the blocking schemes and the running lanes
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coachfisher_rp
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Nov 16 @ 9:23 PM EST
A3: Got ahead of myself and I wrote the questions...using alignment and motions, we can run our offense with any package
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vandyfan13
Nov 16 @ 9:24 PM EST
A3: We can and will run triple in some form out of everything offensively.
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IrishCoachT
Nov 16 @ 9:25 PM EST
A3: concepts are mostly universal, don't run everything out of every package but only 32 and 00 packages have unique concepts
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CoachKelleyAHS
Nov 16 @ 9:25 PM EST
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Coach_Grob
Nov 16 @ 9:26 PM EST
A2: We use 10&11, 12&21 to complement but most often to help window dress our concepts
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Nov 16 @ 9:26 PM EST
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CoachKelleyAHS
Nov 16 @ 9:16 PM EST
A2: Plan next year is having a pass rush package, short yardage package, and a dime package....
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Nov 16 @ 9:26 PM EST
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A3: Same base plays. Grouping gives it a different look.
bhscoachshelton
Nov 16 @ 9:27 PM EST
A3: Have the ability to run the same plays out of all of them. If TE's can run and catch, it really allows you to be versatile.
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CoachU_
Nov 16 @ 9:28 PM EST
this season we employed 10, 11, 20, 21, and 30 personnel
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Nov 16 @ 9:29 PM EST
Q4: Do you have personnel packages on defense?
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12_MSL
Nov 16 @ 9:29 PM EST
we call that window dressing!
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CoachJNicholas
Nov 16 @ 9:29 PM EST
A2
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we try to use a TE on the weaker OLB or DE. Trip sometimes gets this through a coverage adjustment
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Coach_Shiffman
Nov 16 @ 9:30 PM EST
A4: our DC put a few in the second half of the season. A speed package and a nickel package. Worked out well against speed teams
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CoachU_
Nov 16 @ 9:30 PM EST
A2) our packages were dictated based on what the defense shown vs other teams, field position, and situation
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Nov 16 @ 9:31 PM EST
A4: This can depend on the opponent...certain players or groupings may be more favorable against a certain style of offense
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Coach_Grob
Nov 16 @ 9:32 PM EST
A3: We use pers. to mask looks. Try our very best to keep things same-as so we can play fast and K.i.s.s.
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CoachJNicholas
Nov 16 @ 9:32 PM EST
A4: depends on D/D. Cannot have a slow DT on cage/edge rush on the same side as a walked/drop OLB
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JHamon17
Nov 16 @ 9:32 PM EST
A4 - not so much packages for us, but placing guys in positions to match up to their offensive playmakers
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Nov 16 @ 9:33 PM EST
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CoachJoshHadden
Nov 16 @ 9:34 PM EST
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A4: No. We can just adjust from base to just about everything we see from the people we play.
CarsonRileyDad
Nov 16 @ 9:34 PM EST
A4: Black Cheetah, it's our Dime package, we bring in our two best pass rushers widen them up and go get QB, 2 high behind it
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Nov 16 @ 9:36 PM EST
Q5: What situations call for different personnel on defense?
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CoachJNicholas
Nov 16 @ 9:37 PM EST
A4: Good off. guys will find the match up they like. Twins/trips/quads force your hand. Cover guys are hard to find
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JHamon17
Nov 16 @ 9:38 PM EST
A5 these could...goal line, 2 min, 3rd down, end of half/game
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coachkelley1
Nov 16 @ 9:39 PM EST
A1) On off 4 On def 1 A2)On off-short yd, triple move routes, two groups rec so fresh Def-3rd & long, Goalline, reg
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CoachJNicholas
Nov 16 @ 9:40 PM EST
A5: if a team subs a lot you can match up if your box guy is on the ball
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coachkelley1
Nov 16 @ 9:40 PM EST
A3 May have answered question 3 wrong now that I see 3
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PatrickMalone_
Nov 16 @ 9:40 PM EST
A5: down and distance/ match offensive personnel/ TE sets... is he a player or just an extra OL/ QB skill set
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coachkelley1
Nov 16 @ 9:41 PM EST
A4) yes Goalline, regular, 3rd and long
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CarsonRileyDad
Nov 16 @ 9:41 PM EST
A5: down and distance, matching offensive personnel changes and tracking time left in game relative to score.
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Coach_Grob
Nov 16 @ 9:42 PM EST
A5: Heavy 31/32 sets are big ones
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Nov 16 @ 9:43 PM EST
Q6: Do you use two-way players in your packages?
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vandyfan13
Nov 16 @ 9:44 PM EST
A6: We're 8 man, so yeah, haha.
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Coach_Shiffman
Nov 16 @ 9:44 PM EST
A6: yes. That's the perfect time to use some of those guys, especially if they specialize on one side more than the other
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coachfisher_rp
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Nov 16 @ 9:45 PM EST
A6: We try to limit it to 1 or 2 kids that play WR/DB and our big hitters as GL fullbacks
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CoachJoshHadden
Nov 16 @ 9:46 PM EST
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A6: It's middle school, so it's pretty much best on best at all times. LOL
CoachU_
Nov 16 @ 9:46 PM EST
A6) As a 6A2 lvl team I wish we didn't have to rely on some many two way guys offensively
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JasonFeeback
Nov 16 @ 9:47 PM EST
A3 Down and distance, game situations determine our personnel packages
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Nov 16 @ 9:47 PM EST
Its not about the plays, more about the playmakers!
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Coach_Shiffman
Nov 16 @ 9:44 PM EST
A6: yes. That's the perfect time to use some of those guys, especially if they specialize on one side more than the other
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JasonFeeback
Nov 16 @ 9:49 PM EST
A4 We only had a dime package for obvious passing downs. We keep our best 11 on the field.
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ShawnLiotta
Nov 16 @ 9:49 PM EST
Q1 we major in 10, 20 Personnel, dependent upon our personnel. Would rather find guys who can do multiple things
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Coach_Grob
Nov 16 @ 9:49 PM EST
A6: We do this with skill kids on O. Try and platoon Bigs unless they are Wardaddys
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IrishCoachT
Nov 16 @ 9:50 PM EST
Q6: no choice with current depth, but even with great depth using D players in O packages and vice-versa helps "team" concept
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Nov 16 @ 9:50 PM EST
Q7: How does your personnel determine how you play?
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JasonFeeback
Nov 16 @ 9:52 PM EST
A6 4A football in KS. We had six 2 way players.
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Coach_Shiffman
Nov 16 @ 9:52 PM EST
A7: I don't think it does. I think it's determined by your opponents schemes and what you want to do and attack.
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Nov 16 @ 9:53 PM EST
A7: The type and number of personnel you have can determine your run-pass balance and O or D style of play
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CoachJNicholas
Nov 16 @ 9:53 PM EST
A7: match ups drive play calls for us. Exploit the match ups. Make them change what they do best
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CoachRHiggins
Nov 16 @ 9:53 PM EST
have to design your offense to strengths of your school. Lots of big boys? Power the ball. Lots of skill? Spread
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IrishCoachT
Nov 16 @ 9:54 PM EST
A7: limited depth and a lot of 2-way players meant abandoning no-huddle and embracing snapping the ball w/under 5 on the clock
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ShawnLiotta
Nov 16 @ 9:54 PM EST
depends on defensive front / coverage structure and who we want to attack
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coachkelley1
Nov 16 @ 9:54 PM EST
A7)Try not to let it& on offense. Teach each player to use THEIR strength. Routes for one is different than other. Each OL diff
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ShawnLiotta
Nov 16 @ 9:56 PM EST
Q7 important to have a system that you can adapt to your strengths each season but have answers for any defense
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CoachJNicholas
Nov 16 @ 9:56 PM EST
you can still go no huddle. Call the play at the line. Don't guess to get the right play. See the def
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Nov 16 @ 9:57 PM EST
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Nov 16 @ 9:58 PM EST
Good discussions tonight. Strive to get better
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Nov 16 @ 9:59 PM EST
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Nov 16 @ 10:00 PM EST
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