#ASEchat Archive

The Association for Science Education (ASE) promotes excellence in science teaching and learning. Follow #ASEchat Mondays at 3pm ET.

Monday November 27, 2017
3:00 PM EST

  • participatechat Nov 27 @ 3:00 PM EST
    Participate in the upcoming #ASEchat by sharing resources and collaborating at https://t.co/mKOeusFf0N
  • oboelizzy Nov 27 @ 3:00 PM EST
    And if you teach science to any age keep an eye on #asechat at the same time! #primaryrocks
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Nov 27 @ 3:01 PM EST
    So much to talk about just an hour to fit it all in welcome to #ASEChat Lets start with recruitment of teachers who want to teach science. Are the mixed routes in to teaching confusing?
  • oboelizzy Nov 27 @ 3:03 PM EST
    definitely - #asechat cause all sorts of problems from all angles imo
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Nov 27 @ 3:03 PM EST
    Anyone know how you apply to be a science teacher these days? How do HEIs, SCITTs School Direct Teach First, Troops, all attract potential teachers? #ASEChat
  • hrogerson Nov 27 @ 3:03 PM EST
    I think it may have put me off. Applying to teach through UCAS made things straightforward for me. Eg I knew the university would help find accommodation. #asechat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Nov 27 @ 3:05 PM EST
    are they all competing? Does it mean we get fewer successful applicants overall? with no group hitting the numbers needed to replace those leaving? #ASEChat
    • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Nov 27 @ 3:03 PM EST
      Anyone know how you apply to be a science teacher these days? How do HEIs, SCITTs School Direct Teach First, Troops, all attract potential teachers? #ASEChat
  • hrogerson Nov 27 @ 3:06 PM EST
    Shows what I know... seems you still apply via UCAS: https://t.co/mgjGheP3dU #asechat
    • hrogerson Nov 27 @ 3:03 PM EST
      I think it may have put me off. Applying to teach through UCAS made things straightforward for me. Eg I knew the university would help find accommodation. #asechat
      In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • mrbakerphysics Nov 27 @ 3:06 PM EST
    It confuses people. School Direct is supposed to be a brand to help clarity, but it can basically be anything from a SCITT to a PGCE, to being an unqualified teacher for a year! #ASEChat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • JustinDillonUoB Nov 27 @ 3:06 PM EST
    You apply through UCAS Teacher Training portal #asechat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • oboelizzy Nov 27 @ 3:06 PM EST
    my feeling (admittedly with very little solid evidence) is that training for new science teachers now extremely variable in quality #asechat
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Nov 27 @ 3:07 PM EST
    So there is a long term problem, we can predict how many teachers we’ll need in the future. Is it specific enough to ID science shortfall? #ASEChat 1/2
  • hrogerson Nov 27 @ 3:07 PM EST
    Not entirely sure why anyone would create a system that appears to dilute the influence of well respected institutions? #asechat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • JustinDillonUoB Nov 27 @ 3:08 PM EST
    Mmmm. Any evidence at all? #asechat
    In reply to @oboelizzy
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Nov 27 @ 3:08 PM EST
    Ed Select Committee published Govt response in Feb 17 https://t.co/0RHHNANw4a the issues are laid out clearly #ASEChat
  • jesswade Nov 27 @ 3:08 PM EST
    For #ASEchat, I want to celebrate @SGSPhysics’ Mr Costello. If I was ever going to teach #physics, I’d hope it was with him 😁 #teacher5aday
  • carroll_dr Nov 27 @ 3:09 PM EST
    To a certain extent but we are finding PGCE applicants are very clear about the path they wish to follow #ASEChat
    In reply to @hrogerson, @NeedhamL56
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Nov 27 @ 3:10 PM EST
    This is definitely a perception Ive come across. Anyone in a teaching School want to defend your position? #ASEChat
    • DWalkerdine Nov 27 @ 3:06 PM EST
      Yes because if you are not involved in a teaching school, it is difficult to nurture your own teachers.
      In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • oboelizzy Nov 27 @ 3:11 PM EST
    only anecodotal from couple/three years ago when I used to do supply teaching in different schools in Northants mainly - nothing I recorded just conversations and observations #asechat
    In reply to @JustinDillonUoB
  • LessonToolbox Nov 27 @ 3:12 PM EST
    Y13 Photosynthesis and respiration hexagons. Great for identifying misconceptions with aspects of spaced retrieval and dual-coding via @theed_ucator #ukedchat #aussieEd #asechat
  • hrogerson Nov 27 @ 3:12 PM EST
    Your teaching practice is dependent on your mentor, and that’s always been a tricky variable. #asechat
    In reply to @oboelizzy, @JustinDillonUoB
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Nov 27 @ 3:12 PM EST
    Just watched Bradford LA busing ITT students from Leeds Trinity around schools in Bradford to attract applicants #ASEChat any other strategies out there?
  • oboelizzy Nov 27 @ 3:12 PM EST
    How does a 'teaching school' ensure proper professional development of science teachers? what sort of things are put in place? #asechat
    • DWalkerdine Nov 27 @ 3:06 PM EST
      Yes because if you are not involved in a teaching school, it is difficult to nurture your own teachers.
      In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • hrogerson Nov 27 @ 3:14 PM EST
    But I know of excellent teachers who’ve come through a clash with the people meant to support them. #asechat
    In reply to @oboelizzy, @JustinDillonUoB
  • doc_kristy Nov 27 @ 3:14 PM EST
    Yes very much so from what I hear from potential trainees #asechat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Nov 27 @ 3:14 PM EST
    What about short term recruitment, filling the gap in the skill set of the teachers in your school? How many applicants for science jobs? #ASEChat
  • mrbakerphysics Nov 27 @ 3:14 PM EST
    Enormously so. It's one of the reasons I did School Direct, my mentors were both really invested. I knew both placements in July, and met both mentors before the Summer. Wouldn't have done it unless I had solid Uni science involvement though. #ASEChat
    In reply to @hrogerson, @oboelizzy, @JustinDillonUoB
  • Glazgow Nov 27 @ 3:14 PM EST
    #ASEchat ITT applicants for primary teaching in Scotland don't need any sort of science qualification - they do now need a second language qualification though
  • JustinDillonUoB Nov 27 @ 3:15 PM EST
    In terms of the larger providers my guess is that variation within a provider is greater than the variation between providers #asechat
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Nov 27 @ 3:15 PM EST
    Is there a shortage in NI, Wales or Scotland? or is it a mainly England thing? #ASEChat any tips to help recruitment to vacancies from qualified teachers?
  • doc_kristy Nov 27 @ 3:16 PM EST
    Teach First lurk outside our lecture theatres at the University with professional recruiters (who aren't teachers and do not intend to be) #asechat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • gavinsmart Nov 27 @ 3:16 PM EST
    Super Slow Mo Whoosh Bottle #asechat #adechat
  • Glazgow Nov 27 @ 3:16 PM EST
    As far as I know there are similar issues with physics and maths teachers - chem and bio seem to be better #asechat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • mrbakerphysics Nov 27 @ 3:16 PM EST
    Advertise for a Chem/Bio/Physics teacher. 'Teacher of Science' adverts are a huge turnoff. Don't have ridiculous marking policies or an obsession with data. #ASEChat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • stormeducation Nov 27 @ 3:17 PM EST
    #asechat The recruitment of good and enthusiatic #science teachers is very important for our subject!
  • oboelizzy Nov 27 @ 3:18 PM EST
    Realise I am showing my age but I cant help reflecting on the huge support I received from the ILEA during and after my PGCE. We were part of a real network of science educators #asechat if only we could recreate some of that it would help retention as well
  • mrbakerphysics Nov 27 @ 3:18 PM EST
    Yup. Experiences across people I trained with (both at my own and other routes/unis) varied hugely. Some left at end of course, but hadn't planned to, just had such a bad experience of teaching they didn't want to/felt they couldn't do it. #ASEChat
    In reply to @DWalkerdine, @hrogerson, @oboelizzy, @JustinDillonUoB
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Nov 27 @ 3:18 PM EST
    Interesting, are MFL a core part of the primary curriculum in Scotland? #ASEChat
    • Glazgow Nov 27 @ 3:14 PM EST
      #ASEchat ITT applicants for primary teaching in Scotland don't need any sort of science qualification - they do now need a second language qualification though
  • missjmbooth Nov 27 @ 3:19 PM EST
    Mitosis root tip squash with Yr 12 today- ended up using sample slides though! #ASEChat #whatItaughttoday #scichat
  • doc_kristy Nov 27 @ 3:20 PM EST
    They do that with adverts so they don't have to readvertise when they don't get a field of physicists #asechat
    In reply to @mrbakerphysics, @NeedhamL56
  • JustinDillonUoB Nov 27 @ 3:20 PM EST
    A personal plea based on my experience at King’s and Bristol - please take PGCE students even if you have NQTs, etc. Our biggest problem is finding placements. #ASEChat
  • Glazgow Nov 27 @ 3:20 PM EST
    STEM is a national priority too but that doesn't seem to have filtered down to primary ITT yet #asechat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Nov 27 @ 3:21 PM EST
    Some more background research from @TheNFER https://t.co/rRC95VNpyP #asechat Recruitment and retention
  • hrogerson Nov 27 @ 3:21 PM EST
    Having a maximum of 80% not 90% contact time per week would help retention of teachers. Everyone should teach 4 hours maximum per day. #asechat
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Nov 27 @ 3:22 PM EST
    Should science jobs come at a premium then? use incentives to attract/ keep people in the role? #ASEChat
    • DWalkerdine Nov 27 @ 3:20 PM EST
      There are not many qualified teachers in Science to make up a field, if just a teaching job. People are interested if a TLR attached.
      In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Nov 27 @ 3:22 PM EST
    What do you think to the £600 for extra maths students at A Level? #asechat will it help longer term or just a back of envelope suggestion?
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • oboelizzy Nov 27 @ 3:23 PM EST
    I think it should be barely over 50 - 60% seriously - #asechat -
    In reply to @hrogerson
    • hrogerson Nov 27 @ 3:21 PM EST
      Having a maximum of 80% not 90% contact time per week would help retention of teachers. Everyone should teach 4 hours maximum per day. #asechat
  • JustinDillonUoB Nov 27 @ 3:23 PM EST
    Absolutely! Not to mention the advisory teachers, dedicated inspectors and science teacher centres. #asechat #ileamafia
    In reply to @oboelizzy
  • mrbakerphysics Nov 27 @ 3:23 PM EST
    I've heard that before. It's a total cop-out. How many 'Teacher of Humanities' adverts are there? #ASEChat
    In reply to @doc_kristy, @NeedhamL56
  • hrogerson Nov 27 @ 3:25 PM EST
    Yes, I wish I knew enough to write about how much we’d save by retaining teachers by cutting contact hours vs training new ones and paying for supply. #asechat
    In reply to @LiamHCollins
  • doc_kristy Nov 27 @ 3:25 PM EST
    The shortages in Scotland are just starting, exacerbated by the CfE. That said there are fewer local options in chemistry and physics there, less competition, so their supply has been healthier #asechat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Nov 27 @ 3:25 PM EST
    Oh joy at the thought of this #asechat
    • hrogerson Nov 27 @ 3:21 PM EST
      Having a maximum of 80% not 90% contact time per week would help retention of teachers. Everyone should teach 4 hours maximum per day. #asechat
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Nov 27 @ 3:25 PM EST
    Start 'em young.. how many of us tell our students what a great job teaching is #careers #ASEChat sow a seed so it’s not a fall back career
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Nov 27 @ 3:26 PM EST
    Loads #asechat
    In reply to @mrbakerphysics, @doc_kristy, @NeedhamL56
  • Glazgow Nov 27 @ 3:26 PM EST
    Probably helps that majority of schools are still LA controlled - teachers can be easily moved within a LA to where they are needed #asechat
    In reply to @doc_kristy, @NeedhamL56
  • _theteachr Nov 27 @ 3:26 PM EST
    I'd advertise for "teacher of science with biology/chem/physics for A level". Always been a fan of science teachers teaching all three till GCSE - unless it causes stress... #asechat
  • oboelizzy Nov 27 @ 3:27 PM EST
    We shouldn't accept even that Alex - it is no where near enough #asechat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Nov 27 @ 3:28 PM EST
    Don’t they only teach their subject in Scotland too? Not ‘science’ #asechat does this make a difference?
    • doc_kristy Nov 27 @ 3:25 PM EST
      The shortages in Scotland are just starting, exacerbated by the CfE. That said there are fewer local options in chemistry and physics there, less competition, so their supply has been healthier #asechat
      In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • gregtheseal Nov 27 @ 3:28 PM EST
    i teach 6 hours on a Monday! not good. #asechat
    In reply to @oboelizzy, @hrogerson
  • doc_kristy Nov 27 @ 3:29 PM EST
    Also if I remember, incentives available for rural schools, Highlands and Islands. I would come and help with those shortages but I only have QTS so not welcome :( #asechat
    In reply to @Glazgow, @NeedhamL56
  • DrWilkinsonSci Nov 27 @ 3:29 PM EST
    Though discovered recently science is the Dept with least slack in my school. 2 spare hours in whole department. Given recruitment difficulties, suspect many science depts similar. #ASEchat
  • hrogerson Nov 27 @ 3:29 PM EST
    I would be devastated if my step-daughter became a teacher. I work myself hard so she can do something better. It was a step-up in social class for me because I didn’t have a secure financial background. Is this the attitude we want of teachers for the job? #asechat
  • doc_kristy Nov 27 @ 3:30 PM EST
    Yes they are strict on entry qualification criteria and they only teach their specialism (some teachers have 2 specialisms) #asechat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Nov 27 @ 3:30 PM EST
    This is a no brainer, gives you extra capacity, and first dabs on a good student. Also great professional development for the in school mentor #ASEChat
    • JustinDillonUoB Nov 27 @ 3:20 PM EST
      A personal plea based on my experience at King’s and Bristol - please take PGCE students even if you have NQTs, etc. Our biggest problem is finding placements. #ASEChat
  • oboelizzy Nov 27 @ 3:30 PM EST
    that is just awful greg - for you, your students, your family - nobody wins. I remember how exhausted I felt after teaching all day virtually every day and coming home to my own children - no wonder I became ill!! #asechat
    In reply to @gregtheseal, @hrogerson
  • Glazgow Nov 27 @ 3:31 PM EST
    I was told I couldn't do secondary science PDGE in Scotland as my Biochemistry degree was neither Biology or Chemistry! #asechat
    In reply to @doc_kristy, @NeedhamL56
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Nov 27 @ 3:32 PM EST
    Some big sums here Helen. Short term fixes against long term planning for succession #ASEChat
    • hrogerson Nov 27 @ 3:25 PM EST
      Yes, I wish I knew enough to write about how much we’d save by retaining teachers by cutting contact hours vs training new ones and paying for supply. #asechat
      In reply to @LiamHCollins
  • doc_kristy Nov 27 @ 3:32 PM EST
    I would be very happy if mine became a teacher (as long as she stayed up North so could afford housing etc) what does it say about outselves if it's a fall back career? #asechat I chose to teach, I had plenty of other options open to me
    In reply to @hrogerson
  • MattEndeanRally Nov 27 @ 3:33 PM EST
    I used to enjoy doing this, a) putting something back, b) you always learn something from them & c) it is v good for getting new teachers #asechat
    In reply to @JustinDillonUoB
  • CLEAPSS Nov 27 @ 3:33 PM EST
    I used to enjoy doing this, a) putting something back, b) you always learn something from them & c) it is v good for getting new teachers #asechat
    In reply to @JustinDillonUoB
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Nov 27 @ 3:33 PM EST
    and your here contributing to #ASEChat #medal Sundays must be awful!
    • gregtheseal Nov 27 @ 3:28 PM EST
      i teach 6 hours on a Monday! not good. #asechat
      In reply to @oboelizzy, @hrogerson
  • _theteachr Nov 27 @ 3:33 PM EST
    I'd be torn of my daughter wanted to be a science teacher - i'm wondering how many youngsters of the exam factory era become teachers and default to how they were taught - death by intervention, everyone a colour on a spreadsheet, etc. #asechat
  • mrbakerphysics Nov 27 @ 3:34 PM EST
    A good ITT gives you capacity, a 'bad' one (which might not be their fault, previous placement/Uni might have caused issues or be hard work) takes so much time. #ASEChat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • ViciaScience Nov 27 @ 3:34 PM EST
    Just got in @oboelizzy @doc_kristy Have I missed much on #ASEChat?
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Nov 27 @ 3:35 PM EST
    Well that’s another interesting fact. Is there a list of science degrees that qualifies you to teach science of any flavour? #ASEChat
    • Glazgow Nov 27 @ 3:31 PM EST
      I was told I couldn't do secondary science PDGE in Scotland as my Biochemistry degree was neither Biology or Chemistry! #asechat
      In reply to @doc_kristy, @NeedhamL56
  • ViciaScience Nov 27 @ 3:35 PM EST
    Have we talked about 'Troops to Teachers' scheme as a partial solution to recruitment problems? #ASEchat
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Nov 27 @ 3:35 PM EST
    agree #ASEChat definitely started me on a different career journey being a ITT mentor
    In reply to @CLEAPSS, @JustinDillonUoB
  • gregtheseal Nov 27 @ 3:36 PM EST
    I think I am contributing in the loosest sense of the word at the moment. #asechat multitasking planning tomorrow, catching up on email putting kids to bed
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • Glazgow Nov 27 @ 3:36 PM EST
    My guess would be that as supply of teachers dries up they probably take a more relaxed approach now, esp for physics and maths. Not sure if there's a specific degree list though #asechat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • ViciaScience Nov 27 @ 3:38 PM EST
    #ASEchat
    • Bio_Joe Nov 27 @ 3:37 PM EST
      My cousin couldn’t train as a physics teacher in Scotland with his oceanography degree even though he could in England.
      In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Nov 27 @ 3:38 PM EST
    What about recruitment of primary science leaders? How do you get to be one? #ASEChat
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Nov 27 @ 3:38 PM EST
    If only it wasn't beyond the wit of number 11. #asechat
    • oboelizzy Nov 27 @ 3:36 PM EST
      A bloody lot - but what is important in society? getting political now I realise - but surely it is not beyond the wit of mankind to work out how to finance a proper education and health system?!!
      In reply to @A_Weatherall
  • mrbakerphysics Nov 27 @ 3:39 PM EST
    Not where I am. 1 generic humanities: 4 geography 3 history 3 RE Science is other way round 13 science 3 biology 2 physics 2 chemistry I get that you might want to see what you get, but it doesn't inspire confidence in the role they don't know what they want! #ASEChat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall, @doc_kristy, @NeedhamL56
  • Glazgow Nov 27 @ 3:39 PM EST
    More often than not by default I think - a lot of the science leaders I know showed the slightest interest in science and were appointed #asechat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Nov 27 @ 3:40 PM EST
    Dis they say what the reasons were for this? #ASEChat
    • cleverfiend Nov 27 @ 3:32 PM EST
      According to the last ASCL podcast there is no recruitment problem in Northern Ireland and the morale is very different...
      In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • JustinDillonUoB Nov 27 @ 3:40 PM EST
    #ASEchat Opens can of worms. Different entry requirements for ITE maths for TeachFirst and non-TF PGCE shall we say.
    In reply to @Glazgow, @NeedhamL56
  • ViciaScience Nov 27 @ 3:40 PM EST
    The students I taught on a 3 yr BEd science degree with QTS were well skilled and committed by the end of their course #ASEchat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • Glazgow Nov 27 @ 3:40 PM EST
    I'm glad it wasn't just me then!! #asechat
    In reply to @Bio_Joe, @NeedhamL56
  • _theteachr Nov 27 @ 3:41 PM EST
    I'm really hoping there is going to be a new direction in teaching - I'm sure we are on the cusp of the possibility of near 'no marking'. If I had a choice of asking teachers to spend time marking, or spend time planning, it would hands-down be the latter. Always. #asechat
  • ViciaScience Nov 27 @ 3:43 PM EST
    I a not sure if it is a solution.People skills are good but breadth of science may be less so depending on background. What are priorities for a good teacher? #asechat
    In reply to @DWalkerdine
  • cleverfiend Nov 27 @ 3:43 PM EST
    https://t.co/KkiQWkGCQV #asechat they did but I've slept since then 😀
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • ViciaScience Nov 27 @ 3:44 PM EST
    #ASEChat
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Nov 27 @ 3:44 PM EST
    Not much competition according to @Glazgow Do science leaders move on to (maths and English) HTs spot them doing a good job. Or can you stick with it and make science shine? #ASEChat
  • mrbakerphysics Nov 27 @ 3:45 PM EST
    I didn't stop teaching because I didn't enjoy it or workload, I got a fantastic opportunity out of the blue. BUT when/if I go back it won't be into a permanent role unless it was a place that had sensible policies for work-life balance (marking, data, mocks). #ASEChat
  • ViciaScience Nov 27 @ 3:45 PM EST
    I am sure that some of the PSQM awardees I have met become very passionate about being a primary science specialist #asechat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56, @Glazgow
  • oboelizzy Nov 27 @ 3:46 PM EST
    #primaryrocks. @Psqm_HQ @pstt_whyhow #asechat
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Nov 27 @ 3:46 PM EST
    Any primary colleagues answer this question? I would have said yes they do, but lower profile than M and E #ASEChat
    • AlfredoNokez1 Nov 27 @ 3:45 PM EST
      Do all schools still have them? There has definitely been a lowering of emphasis on primary science in recent years...
      In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Nov 27 @ 3:47 PM EST
    #ASEChat
    • Glazgow Nov 27 @ 3:46 PM EST
      I think many get hooked by the science, especially if they don't have a science background. Then work to make it as good as it can be. Others will see it as a stepping stone on to bigger things #PrimaryRocks
      In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • Glazgow Nov 27 @ 3:47 PM EST
    I think that's very true - science has that ability to hook you in, especially if you are non-sciencey to begin with - many become incredibly passionate about improving science T&L #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @NeedhamL56
  • ViciaScience Nov 27 @ 3:47 PM EST
    I am sure we all know good teachers with excellent subject knowledge and equally good teachers with good person skills. Both needed in a school #asechat
    In reply to @DWalkerdine
  • oboelizzy Nov 27 @ 3:48 PM EST
    Agree with you Linda from what I have seen recently - however pri sci still extremely variable across the country I think #asechat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • ViciaScience Nov 27 @ 3:49 PM EST
    For some primary colleagues there is a 'confidence barrier'. A small nudge in confidence and they fly #asechat
    In reply to @Glazgow, @NeedhamL56
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Nov 27 @ 3:49 PM EST
    So if there is not enough science teachers of the right sort, how do we work with what we’ve got to develop and retain them? #ASEChat
  • Glazgow Nov 27 @ 3:50 PM EST
    Definitely and there is some outstanding support and CPD out there now from the likes of @Psqm_HQ , @theASE and @pstt_whyhow #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @NeedhamL56, @Psqm_HQ, @theASE, @pstt_whyhow
  • Glazgow Nov 27 @ 3:51 PM EST
    And I think a lot of science leaders without science backgrounds end up doing a much better job as other staff look at them and can say 'well if they can...' #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @NeedhamL56
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Nov 27 @ 3:51 PM EST
    Any schools used this https://t.co/PFWfL0hpPC TSST physics (or Maths) free CPD to support Non specialists #ASEChat
  • oboelizzy Nov 27 @ 3:51 PM EST
    Improve conditions, lower contact time, improve opportunities for intellectual growth and networking with like minded people, improve access to sci ed research - Ill think of more in a mo! #asechat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • doc_kristy Nov 27 @ 3:51 PM EST
    No shortage in NI, v hard for trainees to get jobs (many train in Liverpool area). Again, fewer competing jobs, smaller economy, also retain selection at 11 in many places and standards perceived to be higher #asechat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • ViciaScience Nov 27 @ 3:52 PM EST
    To push the culture of teacher from 'cannon fodder' to professional with expectation / entitlement to professional development? #asechat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • Glazgow Nov 27 @ 3:52 PM EST
    Yes, majority of schools will still have a science leader. Even if it's not always a priority subject #asechat
    In reply to @AlfredoNokez1, @NeedhamL56
  • Glazgow Nov 27 @ 3:53 PM EST
    From a Scottish perspective this is happening more and more but it's easier as most secondaries can work closely with their feeder primaries. More of a challenge in England #asechat
    In reply to @DWalkerdine, @ViciaScience, @NeedhamL56
  • JustinDillonUoB Nov 27 @ 3:53 PM EST
    Make it very easy for mothers to come back part-time, perhaps? #asechat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Nov 27 @ 3:53 PM EST
    remember #asechat and tell us what TASC stands for
    • DWalkerdine Nov 27 @ 3:52 PM EST
      One really positive CPD is University of Bath who have TASC.
      In reply to @Glazgow, @ViciaScience, @NeedhamL56, @Psqm_HQ, @theASE, @pstt_whyhow
  • ViciaScience Nov 27 @ 3:54 PM EST
    And to change parents views that teaching is an honourable profession? #asechat
    In reply to @oboelizzy, @NeedhamL56
  • doc_kristy Nov 27 @ 3:54 PM EST
    'we' listen to them about what they want from their careers (not always management), provide opportunities for them to work together across sectors/areas, #asechat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Nov 27 @ 3:54 PM EST
    I read somewhere that the offer of part time work in teaching especially secondary would be something to attract many, not only returners. Why is this so hard to do? #asechat
    • JustinDillonUoB Nov 27 @ 3:53 PM EST
      Make it very easy for mothers to come back part-time, perhaps? #asechat
      In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • oboelizzy Nov 27 @ 3:55 PM EST
    Definitely - Basically treat like a proper professional!! #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @NeedhamL56
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Nov 27 @ 3:55 PM EST
    it still worked for me! #ASEChat
    • Glazgow Nov 27 @ 3:54 PM EST
      Sorry - wrong hashtag :/
      In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • ViciaScience Nov 27 @ 3:55 PM EST
    As an ex timetabler this is not easy if continuity of classes is a priority. Easier to change school day into 'shifts'? #asechat
    In reply to @JustinDillonUoB, @NeedhamL56
  • doc_kristy Nov 27 @ 3:55 PM EST
    Science teaching or science? My experience at Glasgow was that many went into teaching as it was still science and allowed them to stay in Scotland #asechat
    In reply to @CLEAPSS, @NeedhamL56
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Nov 27 @ 3:55 PM EST
    Billions apparently... #asechat
  • ViciaScience Nov 27 @ 3:56 PM EST
    But I agree - there should be an expectation that the school will provide for returning mothers #asechat
    In reply to @JustinDillonUoB, @NeedhamL56
  • CLEAPSS Nov 27 @ 3:56 PM EST
    Science in general. #asechat (remembered the #hashtag this time!)
    In reply to @doc_kristy, @NeedhamL56
  • doc_kristy Nov 27 @ 3:56 PM EST
    Easier when chem, bio, phys is timetabled separately.... Hence why I manage 2 days a week in school #asechat
    In reply to @JustinDillonUoB, @NeedhamL56
  • dave2004b Nov 27 @ 3:56 PM EST
    Agree - make available opportunities outside the traditional academic or pastoral management structure #ASEChat
    In reply to @doc_kristy, @NeedhamL56
  • Glazgow Nov 27 @ 3:56 PM EST
    I think in primary schools - the skill of teaching is the most important thing followed by subject specific knowledge #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @DWalkerdine
  • JustinDillonUoB Nov 27 @ 3:56 PM EST
    #asechat And provide massive support for teachers in their first two years of starting.
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Nov 27 @ 3:57 PM EST
    #ASEChat
    • DWalkerdine Nov 27 @ 3:56 PM EST
      Teaching to become a profession which uses evidence based approaches, teachers in secondary/ primary collaborate rather than reinventing teaching whenever there is a curriculum change.
      In reply to @ViciaScience, @NeedhamL56
  • Glazgow Nov 27 @ 3:58 PM EST
    I forgot @Reach_Out_UK which provides excellent subject specific CPD for PS teachers #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @NeedhamL56, @Psqm_HQ, @theASE, @pstt_whyhow, @Reach_Out_UK
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Nov 27 @ 3:59 PM EST
    What are the reasons that science teachers are more likely to leave than other subjects? https://t.co/rRC95VNpyP #ASEChat
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Nov 27 @ 3:59 PM EST
    Final 2 mis to answer this question #ASEChat