#425chat Archive

This is a chat for football coaches to discuss the 4-2-5 defense on Thursday at 8PM CT

Thursday December 20, 2018
9:00 PM EST

  • CoachKelleyCHHS Dec 20 @ 9:01 PM EST
    The questions will be posted in a both with Q1, Q2, Q3, etc.... when you answer mark it with A followed by the number of the question you are answering! #425chat
  • CoachKelleyCHHS Dec 20 @ 9:02 PM EST
    Appreciate the love boss! #425chat
    In reply to @WildBunchChat
  • Coach_JGill Dec 20 @ 9:02 PM EST
    Jacob Gill Asst HC/DC/Safeties Shiloh Christian School Springdale, AR #425Chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • coachrhenderson Dec 20 @ 9:03 PM EST
    Robert Henderson, Defensive Coordinator Gosnell High School (Arkansas) #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • CoachCCase Dec 20 @ 9:03 PM EST
    Cody Case, LB Coach at Riverside Military Academy in Gainesville, GA. #425chat
  • coachcasey14 Dec 20 @ 9:03 PM EST
    Jeff Casey Head Coach Treynor High School (Iowa) #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • CoachKelleyCHHS Dec 20 @ 9:03 PM EST
    Welcome coach! #425chat
    In reply to @coachrhenderson
  • CoachKelleyCHHS Dec 20 @ 9:03 PM EST
    Welcome coach! #425chat
    • coachcasey14 Dec 20 @ 9:03 PM EST
      Jeff Casey Head Coach Treynor High School (Iowa) #425chat
      In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • CoachKelleyCHHS Dec 20 @ 9:04 PM EST
    The man right here! Welcome coach! #425chat
    • CoachCCase Dec 20 @ 9:03 PM EST
      Cody Case, LB Coach at Riverside Military Academy in Gainesville, GA. #425chat
  • RcoachV Dec 20 @ 9:05 PM EST
    Roger Vinson Secondary Coach South Central (NC) #425chat
  • coachbrown_D Dec 20 @ 9:05 PM EST
    Zane Brown - Defensive Coordinator Fort Bend Willowridge High School #425Chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • CoachKelleyCHHS Dec 20 @ 9:05 PM EST
    Welcome coach! #425chat
    • coachbrown_D Dec 20 @ 9:05 PM EST
      Zane Brown - Defensive Coordinator Fort Bend Willowridge High School #425Chat
      In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • CoachKelleyCHHS Dec 20 @ 9:06 PM EST
    Welcome coach! #425chat
    In reply to @RcoachV
  • sambrummer Dec 20 @ 9:07 PM EST
    Sam Brummer Harlan,Ia #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • CoachKelleyCHHS Dec 20 @ 9:07 PM EST
    Q1: What is your base alignment (front and coverage) to 2x2 gun? #425chat
  • CoachKelleyCHHS Dec 20 @ 9:07 PM EST
    Welcome coach! #425chat
  • CoachKelleyCHHS Dec 20 @ 9:08 PM EST
    Q2: What is your base alignment (front and coverage) to 3x1 or trips pistol? #425chat
  • Jcrouch17 Dec 20 @ 9:09 PM EST
    A:1 Cover 2 read. 2 high bump will out the box apex between number 2 and EMOLS. W safety at 8 FS with spur at 12. Mike in a 10. #425Chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • CoachKelleyCHHS Dec 20 @ 9:09 PM EST
    Welcome coach! Don’t forget #425chat
    • Hayden108John Dec 20 @ 9:08 PM EST
      John Hayden DC for the Dawgs. St. Teresa HS Decatur, ill Bears Fan!
      In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • coachbrown_D Dec 20 @ 9:09 PM EST
    A1) we are a 3-4 multiple defense. We base with a 5 and shade to the field and 4i to the boundary. Back end we are playing Sky coverage(quarters) as our base. #425Chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • BarryHoover Dec 20 @ 9:09 PM EST
    Barry Hoover - OC - Turner Co HS (GA) #425chat
  • CoachDiG Dec 20 @ 9:09 PM EST
    Vince DiGaetano Head Football Coach NY Maritime College @NYMaritimeFB #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS, @NYMaritimeFB
  • sambrummer Dec 20 @ 9:09 PM EST
    Over 43 with palms/read coverage on slots #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • CoachKelleyCHHS Dec 20 @ 9:10 PM EST
    The best in the biz! Welcome coach! #425chat
    In reply to @CoachDiG, @NYMaritimeFB
  • CoachKelleyCHHS Dec 20 @ 9:10 PM EST
    Don’t forget #425chat coach!
    • RcoachV Dec 20 @ 9:10 PM EST
      2’s and 5’s w/ movement 20 LBs Apex play @ 5 yds splits OT and #2 to the field 6 yd CB and 2 high 10 yd safeties
      In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • coachrhenderson Dec 20 @ 9:10 PM EST
    A1: Mike in a 00 or 10 opposite the back in an over front. The Will is in a loose 50 and the Nickel is an yard inside of 2 to the field. Either a match quarters or a cover 2 #425Chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • coachcasey14 Dec 20 @ 9:11 PM EST
    Wow! The main question I was hoping to learn from right out of the gate! I’m all ears coaches....... #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • coachtanis Dec 20 @ 9:11 PM EST
    Joe Tanis Free Agent Coach #425chat
  • CoachKelleyCHHS Dec 20 @ 9:11 PM EST
    Q3: What is your preferred alignment/coverage to basic empty quads and empty quads with a nub TE? #425chat
  • Coach_JGill Dec 20 @ 9:11 PM EST
    A1: 5, 3, 2i, 5. Backers as wide as they can be and still play their run fit. * aligns based on split of #2 (7 yd rule from EMOL). C’s 6-8 Deep. C leverage based on coverage call. FS/WS 8 - 10 Deep inside leverage #2 (Never more than 2 yds off the hash). #425Chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • CoachKelleyCHHS Dec 20 @ 9:12 PM EST
    Welcome coach! #425chat
    In reply to @coachtanis
  • CoachCCase Dec 20 @ 9:12 PM EST
    A1: 22 up front, 2-Read on both sides. #425chat
  • coachbrown_D Dec 20 @ 9:12 PM EST
    A2) this is a film question. Based on what they are doing in trips we can check Stress, Solo, or Special. Up front we will play 5,shade,4i or 5,0,5. Also have started playing 4i,0,4i. All based on what we are seeing. #425Chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • CoachKelleyCHHS Dec 20 @ 9:12 PM EST
    #425chat
    • sambrummer Dec 20 @ 9:11 PM EST
      A2 42 with sam splitting 3 and 2 safety over 2 and corner on 1 .. depending on teams and route scheme w adjust coverage from man to cover 3 .. or run a combo coverage based on wr/scheme
      In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • coachtanis Dec 20 @ 9:12 PM EST
    A1) Over front... Set the front to the field or RB based on game plan. Cover 4 would be the base coverage. #425chat
  • CoachKelleyCHHS Dec 20 @ 9:13 PM EST
    Q4: What is your base alignment to Trey (TE Trips) front and coverage please? Also biggest concern from this formation? #425chat
  • CoachDiG Dec 20 @ 9:13 PM EST
    A1: mostly 3 down and can bring 4th rusher from where we want. Try to stay 2 high as long as possible and move from there #425Chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • Hayden108John Dec 20 @ 9:13 PM EST
    A1. Base sit check. Ball in middle man free. Ball on hash zone to wide side man away. Have played straight man Jo matter what. #425Chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • CoachKelleyCHHS Dec 20 @ 9:13 PM EST
    Don’t forget the hashtag coach! #425chat
    • sambrummer Dec 20 @ 9:13 PM EST
      Have to take away threat of 4 verts.. any look at single high barring freakish cover skills would be rolling the dice IMO
      In reply to @coachcasey14, @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • coachrhenderson Dec 20 @ 9:14 PM EST
    A2: I like an under front to 3x1 bc it allows the inside LB’s to cheat to trips while still being able to account for their run gap, especially the Mike. We apex 2 and 3 with the nickel, bump the mike to a 50 and play the Will in a 00 or a 10. #425Chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • BarryHoover Dec 20 @ 9:15 PM EST
    A1: How we line up depends on what the opponent likes to do. Can set the 3 tech to or away from the Back or to the Field. Generally we will go w/ a 2i but that also depends on what they run and on the ability of the Center. $ will apex #2 & Will LB can apex too if needed #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • CoachKelleyCHHS Dec 20 @ 9:15 PM EST
    Q5: How would you line up to either tight 2x2 gun/pistol and 3x1 bunch tight? Have to ask this since this is the new trend in football... #425chat
  • coachrhenderson Dec 20 @ 9:16 PM EST
    A2 cont: I like to man #1, spike the corner and roll the safeties to give us a 1/4, 1/4, 1/2 look. Also gives us 3 underneath defenders to the Tripp’s side. The will would have 2 out or 2 across #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • coachjlord Dec 20 @ 9:16 PM EST
    Jacob Lord - DC Jeff Davis HS (Georgia) #425chat
  • coachtanis Dec 20 @ 9:17 PM EST
    A2) We would kick our Over front away from trips(under to some/don’t confuse kids). Base coverage is based on what they do out of Trips and RB alignment. I think you need at least 3 ways to defend Trips. Solo, Hot, 1/4 1/4 half, Cover 1 would be Base choices. #425chat
  • CoachDiG Dec 20 @ 9:17 PM EST
    A2: will apex the ball and 2 with overhang player and try to maintain box integrity staying 2 high. Going to end up 3 deep somehow just matters where we want a db to steal an underneath zone #bemultiple #lookthesame #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • CoachCCase Dec 20 @ 9:17 PM EST
    A2: Our base alignment has nothing to do with what the receivers are doing, because we are divorced. But our base coverage is Special Invert, with Solo, Dallas, and Special up our sleeves. #425chat
  • sambrummer Dec 20 @ 9:17 PM EST
    We used variety but really liked using 42 and cover 0 on the te and running palms/read on 2 wr, allowed us to run stunts and shifts up front to get pressure but being solid on back end w coverages we use in other situations #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • Coach_JGill Dec 20 @ 9:17 PM EST
    A2: Still in 5/3/2i/5 but we always set the 3 away from the trips. WLB still aligns as wide as possible but still has B-Gap. If he can’t get to #3 he makes a “RUB” call to DE. DE cancels B-Gap vs run/Contain rush vs pass. Coverage varies weekly, but install “Solo” first. #425Chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • Hayden108John Dec 20 @ 9:17 PM EST
    A2. We will play qtrs coverage to trips and man backside. Will hip LB to help with #3. Play our bs$ 10 yds deep on single side. He has C gap run and looks for #3 away to help with post #425Chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • CoachKelleyCHHS Dec 20 @ 9:18 PM EST
    Q6: What is your alignment to ace (two TE single back)? #425chat
  • coachbrown_D Dec 20 @ 9:18 PM EST
    With trey set if the TE is to the field we will leave the end in a 5. The linebackers will adjust and Mike will be responsible for matching 3 in the pass game which will be the TE. If the TE is getting off too fast we can bump end to a 6 Tech and get hands on TE #425Chat
    In reply to @Jcrouch17, @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • CoachDiG Dec 20 @ 9:18 PM EST
    A3: Hammer/ C9 player exchange to make sure you a perimeter run player in a perimeter run position #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • CoachKelleyCHHS Dec 20 @ 9:18 PM EST
    Don’t forget the hashtag coach! #425chat
  • rileyreeduf Dec 20 @ 9:18 PM EST
    Riley Reed Trinity Catholic Ocala, FL #425Chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • CoachKelleyCHHS Dec 20 @ 9:18 PM EST
    Don’t forget the hashtag coach! #425chat
    • Jcrouch17 Dec 20 @ 9:17 PM EST
      We play a lot of single high to 2x2. We have CBs read 2s release and if it’s vertical we tell him to split 1&2 with eyes on Qb shoulders to help with the FS on 4 verts
      In reply to @sambrummer, @coachcasey14, @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • CoachCCase Dec 20 @ 9:19 PM EST
    A4: Same as trips (Invert, Solo, Dallas, and Special), but with the quad-side LB man to 4. Sky backside to receiver, Closed to TE nub. #425chat
  • CoachKelleyCHHS Dec 20 @ 9:19 PM EST
    Don’t forget the hashtag coach! #425chat
    • CoachChambersJR Dec 20 @ 9:19 PM EST
      A1: 5,3,shade,5. Mike in a 10, Sam apex #2/emols, Will apex #2/emols. Will and End make call to exchange gaps. Playing cover 2.
      In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • CoachDiG Dec 20 @ 9:20 PM EST
    A4: will spin safety down. Need backers for gaps. Need c and d gap with devoted run players. Never want them living in 2 worlds #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • CoachChambersJR Dec 20 @ 9:20 PM EST
    A1: 5,3,shade,5. Mike in a 10, Sam apex #2/emols, Will apex #2/emols. Will and End make call to exchange gaps. Playing cover 2. #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • Jcrouch17 Dec 20 @ 9:21 PM EST
    I’m watching this one. We see a lot of TE and I have always wondered to play a 9/7i/6 and which is more preferred. #425Chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • coachtanis Dec 20 @ 9:21 PM EST
    A4) Over front and solo coverage again. A Lil annoying but you defend what they run from that formation. Cover 4 Solo would be the base again. MLB 30 tech and Boundary LB in 30 tech. Line up and play fast! #425chat
  • Coach_JGill Dec 20 @ 9:22 PM EST
    A3: Quads: Under Front. Special vs #1, #2, #3 with FC, FS, *, M & W, Solo vs #4 w/ WS, MEG #1 weak. Nub Quads: Same as above but “sky” our WS down to TE and have BC play Solo vs #4. Will play 6 Tech vs TE. #425Chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • BarryHoover Dec 20 @ 9:22 PM EST
    A2) I concur, many ways to defend Trips. What your opponent does must determine what coverage you will use b/c each has its strengths & weak's. Calling strength to the single WR helps to get LB closer to the #3 WR but sometimes I'd rather go To or Away from the Back #425chat
    In reply to @coachbrown_D, @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • sambrummer Dec 20 @ 9:22 PM EST
    One option #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • sambrummer Dec 20 @ 9:23 PM EST
    #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • coachrhenderson Dec 20 @ 9:23 PM EST
    A3: still like an under front to this. Nickel aligns outside shoulder of 3 and mike takes inside shoulder of 4 $ splits 3,4 at depth. Man #1, will carries 2 out or across. Still lgives me a 1/4, 1/4, half look by spiking the corner #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • Hayden108John Dec 20 @ 9:24 PM EST
    A4. We would change our $ alignment to 3x1 for run support and still play qtrs. FS would be outside shade of TE. Don't see much of this formation. #425Chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • rileyreeduf Dec 20 @ 9:24 PM EST
    A2: Front: Away from the Trips Coverage: FC and FS play palms. Overhang Mike and Weak safety Read 3 Or Man on 1. Overhang and FS play 2 Read on # 3 #425Chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • newdbcoach Dec 20 @ 9:24 PM EST
    A1: over front with boundary LB hipped. We will play palms to a detached #2 #425Chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • coachtanis Dec 20 @ 9:24 PM EST
    A5) 2x2 Tight = Over front and Cover 2 for Base. 3x1 Bunch = Cover 2 as well. Again you need changeups and it’s based on why they are running that. #425chat
  • rileyreeduf Dec 20 @ 9:25 PM EST
    A3: Zero. Bring 6 #425Chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • Hayden108John Dec 20 @ 9:25 PM EST
    A4We also move our 7t to head up to throat TE #425Chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • CoachDiG Dec 20 @ 9:26 PM EST
    A5: 2x2 making sure corner outisde leverage. Bunch want be outside leverage put make sure you press the point man #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • CoachChambersJR Dec 20 @ 9:26 PM EST
    Q4: 6, 3, shade, 5. Strong side DE get hands on TE. S apex #2 and #3, Mike in a 10, Will in a 30. Cover 2 on front side. Weak safety cross key TE, solo back side wr. #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • Coach_JGill Dec 20 @ 9:27 PM EST
    A4: 6, 3, 2i, 5 up front. Backer as wide as possible (coverage dictated by backfield set) but still able to play their run fit. * apex TE/#2. Palms w/ FS/FC vs #1/#2. Solo TE w * (Flat) & WS (Vert). MEG #1 weak. Concerns: How good is TE? Run/Pass Oriented? OZ Wk? etc. #425Chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • coachrhenderson Dec 20 @ 9:27 PM EST
    A3 cont: to a nub I would play cover 2 and then I would drop my corner to read 1-2 and play deepest route while $ reads 3-4 & takes deepest. Basically fives us a Cover 6. Need an over front to the TE with out Tite tag to put the DE in 7. CB has D gap #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • CoachDiG Dec 20 @ 9:27 PM EST
    A6: same as most just may bring more inside rusher at 4th to maintain perimeter. Little more man free #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • coachtanis Dec 20 @ 9:27 PM EST
    A6) Defending Ace... Over front and slide the LBs a technique weak. We know our weakness is OZ away from our strength and our players should know that. Coverage is cover 4 again. Safeties crank on down tighter with attached TEs. #425chat
  • CoachCCase Dec 20 @ 9:28 PM EST
    A5: To tight dubs, if we don't think 2-Read will work, we can just go quarters with Pony head-up to outside shoulder of number 2, maintaining outside leverage. To bunch trips, we'd just run our Invert with Pony head-up and jamming the man on the line, sky backside. #425chat
  • Hayden108John Dec 20 @ 9:28 PM EST
    #425Chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • rileyreeduf Dec 20 @ 9:29 PM EST
    A4: Front: Under with overhang tight to TE Coverage: FC and FS play palms. Overhang, Mike and Weak Safety Read 3. #425Chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • Coach_JGill Dec 20 @ 9:31 PM EST
    A5: 2x2 Snug: Same Front/Box Rules. */WS down playing outside leverage/force. FS MOF, C’s stack the stack. 3x1 Bunch: Under Front. “Box” in a zone call. * is outside leverage. Box rules for */FC/FS/WLB. “Fiddle” in man call. * mans the point, pattern read #1/#3. #425Chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • CoachChambersJR Dec 20 @ 9:31 PM EST
    Q6: 6,2,2,6. LB'S IN 20, roll weak safety down late. Cover 3. #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • coachrhenderson Dec 20 @ 9:32 PM EST
    A4: I will go 6,3,1,5 with no bump from ILB. Nickel 4x4 off end man (based on WR splits) we will roll a safety and let the Ni play heavy in the run fit with a match cover 3 behind it #425chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • Coach_JGill Dec 20 @ 9:34 PM EST
    A6: 9(w/ *), 5, 2i, 3, 6. Robber to the * Side if splits aren’t too wide. Pattern read to WS Side. #425Chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • newdbcoach Dec 20 @ 9:36 PM EST
    A2: we will apex #2 and the ball as a base. Backers will plus to the trips. We will play solo coverage as a day 1 check. #425Chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • coachrhenderson Dec 20 @ 9:36 PM EST
    A5: in our league most people are running a pin and pull concept so align the Ni in an outside shade of the point man and tell him to be aggressive. Still play an under to help get #’s to the bunch. $ inside shade of point with a cover 2 corner #425Chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • JerryGordonFB Dec 20 @ 9:38 PM EST
    A2 depends on down and distance but basically Tcu solo or special #425chat
  • BarryHoover Dec 20 @ 9:40 PM EST
    A6: Offenses want to balance an unbalanced Defense to their advantage and Ace is tough. I like bringing my $ into the box as a LB, bump the LBs, and play a 4-3 w/Qtrs. 3 and 6 tech to Strength (bigger TE side), 2i (must vs Ace) and 7 tech away from Strength. #425chat
    In reply to @CoachChambersJR, @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • JerryGordonFB Dec 20 @ 9:42 PM EST
    #425Chat ball on hash we would be in under playing palms to the field and some form of 2 deep into the boundary. Mof we might be more 3-4 ish
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • coachrhenderson Dec 20 @ 9:45 PM EST
    A6: I like 6’s & 2’s. I will move the front and bring a LB or and edge blitzed to account for the extra gap. If a nub side we can bring the corner and slant the front. If we are in our base over we would have a 6,3,1,5 #425Chat
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • CoachChambersJR Dec 20 @ 9:48 PM EST
    Correct me if I'm wrong but with that look you are down a gap. Probably c or d gap? With playing it even the offense doesnt have an advantage in numbers on either side and playing with 2's inside and moving gives OLines trouble. #425chat
    In reply to @BarryHoover, @CoachKelleyCHHS
  • CoachDBasil Dec 20 @ 9:51 PM EST
    In 3-4 stay 2 high, move S late to/away strength. In 4-2 under with DL movement to cover down LBs. #425Chat @CoachDiG
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS, @CoachDiG
  • CoachDBasil Dec 20 @ 9:55 PM EST
    3-4 = apex OLB to #2 and EMOL. 4-2 = OLB outside #2. 4th rusher declared w/ 4th DL on field. 3 tech away from 3x1. #425Chat @The_Coach_A
    In reply to @CoachKelleyCHHS, @The_Coach_A