#musedchat Archive

Each Monday evening at 8PM EST, music teachers get together and share ideas about important topics within music education. It’s a great chance to interact directly with educators from all over the world and to get new tips and tricks to help you succeed in the classroom. The entire #musedchat discussion is organized and moderated by Joe Guarr.

Monday April 16, 2018
8:00 PM EDT

  • jguarr - Moderator Apr 16 @ 8:00 PM EDT
    Welcome to tonight's #musedchat, we'll be talking about gradebooks tonight. Be sure to introduce yourself! #musiced
  • AndreaMakarchuk Apr 16 @ 8:02 PM EDT
    Andrea. Alberta, Canada. 6-12 band. #musedchat
  • theatreducate - Moderator Apr 16 @ 8:02 PM EDT
    Hi All, MaryTyler from Md’s Eastern Shore. #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Apr 16 @ 8:03 PM EDT
    How are you this week, Andrea? #musedchat
    In reply to @AndreaMakarchuk
  • jguarr - Moderator Apr 16 @ 8:03 PM EDT
    Great to see you as always, how's your Monday? #musedchat
    In reply to @theatreducate
  • theatreducate - Moderator Apr 16 @ 8:04 PM EDT
    “Hairspray” ended yesterday! What a time. #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Apr 16 @ 8:04 PM EDT
    Also tonight (but maybe as a topic next week): how awesome is Kendrick Lamar winning a Pulitzer??? #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Apr 16 @ 8:05 PM EDT
    Welcome to the chat, hope you're doing well this week #musedchat
    In reply to @Martino_s_music
  • TriToneJones Apr 16 @ 8:05 PM EDT
    Jason from Plymouth, MA. 9-12 Choral & Theatre. #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Apr 16 @ 8:05 PM EDT
    Well...it's currently snowing as I look out the window...and my car was completely encased in ice yesterday... #musedchat
    In reply to @AndreaMakarchuk
  • jguarr - Moderator Apr 16 @ 8:05 PM EDT
    Awesome! Hope it was a good run #musedchat
    In reply to @theatreducate
  • jguarr - Moderator Apr 16 @ 8:05 PM EDT
    How are you tonight, Jason? #musedchat
    In reply to @TriToneJones
  • Martino_s_music Apr 16 @ 8:06 PM EDT
    Yes, thanks. Getting over an upper respiratory virus & sinus infection. #musedchat #teacherproblems
    In reply to @jguarr
  • AndreaMakarchuk Apr 16 @ 8:06 PM EDT
    Yuck!! When will it be spring? #musedchat
    In reply to @jguarr
  • jguarr - Moderator Apr 16 @ 8:07 PM EDT
    Oh it's perma-winter #musedchat
    In reply to @AndreaMakarchuk
  • edujessication Apr 16 @ 8:08 PM EDT
    Jessica from Fort Worth, TX. K-5 music #musedchat
  • SamuelFritz Apr 16 @ 8:08 PM EDT
    Hi all! Sam Fritz from Greenwood IN 6-8 Band #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Apr 16 @ 8:09 PM EDT
    Welcome to the chat Jessica, how are you? #musedchat
    In reply to @edujessication
  • jguarr - Moderator Apr 16 @ 8:09 PM EDT
    How are you doing this week, Sam? #musedchat
    In reply to @SamuelFritz
  • Mwren13 Apr 16 @ 8:09 PM EDT
    Hey everyone! Marisa from IN. I will be in and out depending on bedtime :) K-8 Music. #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Apr 16 @ 8:10 PM EDT
    Great to see you Marisa, hope you've been well #musedchat
    In reply to @Mwren13
  • SamuelFritz Apr 16 @ 8:10 PM EDT
    Great how about you? #musedchat
    In reply to @jguarr
  • jguarr - Moderator Apr 16 @ 8:10 PM EDT
    Still freezing our butts off in Michigan, but otherwise good. #musedchat
    In reply to @SamuelFritz
  • jguarr - Moderator Apr 16 @ 8:10 PM EDT
    Q1 incoming... #musedchat
  • AmyLynnRever Apr 16 @ 8:11 PM EDT
    Hi All! Amy from MI. Middle school band. #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Apr 16 @ 8:11 PM EDT
    Q1: Describe the overall grading system in your building. 0-100 scale? Standards-based? 4 point? Other? #musedchat
  • rebelmusicteach Apr 16 @ 8:12 PM EDT
    Hi #musedchat & #ClearTheAir — I am in rehearsal right now but everyone else should check in here.
  • jguarr - Moderator Apr 16 @ 8:12 PM EDT
    Other than the oppressive never-ending snow and ice, how are you tonight? #musedchat
    In reply to @AmyLynnRever
  • Martino_s_music Apr 16 @ 8:13 PM EDT
    We had snow, sleet, then rain before getting sunny here in CT. Crazy weather! #musedchat
    In reply to @jguarr, @SamuelFritz
  • ethomanator Apr 16 @ 8:14 PM EDT
    A1: Standards based. Below, Meets, Exceeds. We develop rubrics among ourselves and our grade level teams. #musedchat
    In reply to @jguarr
  • AndreaMakarchuk Apr 16 @ 8:14 PM EDT
    A1: my middle school does outcome based grading on a 4 to 1 scale. My high school does a 0-100 percentile #musedchat
  • Mwren13 Apr 16 @ 8:14 PM EDT
    Thanks Joe! Hope all is well with you and your year is going well. #musedchat
    In reply to @jguarr
  • TriToneJones Apr 16 @ 8:14 PM EDT
    A1: 0-100 but when report cards are issues students see letter grades only. #musedchat
  • AmyLynnRever Apr 16 @ 8:15 PM EDT
    A1: We're on a 4 point system, but many teachers are adapting SBG to fit traditional A-E. #musedchat
  • edujessication Apr 16 @ 8:15 PM EDT
    A1: Since we're elementary, we give one grade per six weeks - excellent, satisfactory, needs improcement, or unacceptable #musedchat
  • AmyLynnRever Apr 16 @ 8:15 PM EDT
    Doing OK. Trying to wrap my brain around the 93412938734958 things that need to happen between now and June. 😳 #musedchat
    In reply to @jguarr
  • twkellyMRES Apr 16 @ 8:16 PM EDT
    Tamika Kelly, Elementary Music K-5th, NC #musedchat
  • theatreducate - Moderator Apr 16 @ 8:16 PM EDT
    A1: 0-100 here, trying to figure out where I fit in. #musedchat
  • Mwren13 Apr 16 @ 8:16 PM EDT
    A1. Between K-8 we use a variety of grading scales. I try to use SBG but within a 100 percent scale because of our grade book. #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Apr 16 @ 8:16 PM EDT
    A1 This year we're starting the move from 0-100 scale, to a 4pt approach. Eventual goal is to get everybody thinking with SBG. #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Apr 16 @ 8:16 PM EDT
    Good to see you Tamika, how are you? #musedchat
    In reply to @twkellyMRES
  • edujessication Apr 16 @ 8:16 PM EDT
    A1: Specials give one grade each per six weeks - excellent, satisfactory, needs improvement, or unacceptable #musedchat
  • twkellyMRES Apr 16 @ 8:16 PM EDT
    A1: We use S, N, U for all students in the special disciplines on the elementary level. #musedchat
  • SamuelFritz Apr 16 @ 8:17 PM EDT
    A1: we report on percentage but teach to performance scale 1-4 based on essential learnings #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Apr 16 @ 8:17 PM EDT
    Welcome to the chat Sandra, glad you could join us! #musedchat
    In reply to @DoReMiDivnick
  • Martino_s_music Apr 16 @ 8:17 PM EDT
    A1: We have standards based. I rate each student in 4 categories, from Not Yet - Progressing - Meets - Exceeds standard. This is at the elementary level. When I taught middle school four years ago, we graded on a 100 point scale. #musedchat
  • AmyLynnRever Apr 16 @ 8:18 PM EDT
    To clarify. 4 point as in coming up with a traditional GPA through A-E grades. #musedchat
  • TriToneJones Apr 16 @ 8:19 PM EDT
    Interesting…so it actually seems like the 0-100 point system is in the minority? #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Apr 16 @ 8:19 PM EDT
    Q2: How much autonomy do you have when it comes to setting up your gradebook? Are there things you MUST include? #musedchat
  • SamuelFritz Apr 16 @ 8:20 PM EDT
    Specials? More like essentials am I right? #musedchat
    In reply to @edujessication
  • jguarr - Moderator Apr 16 @ 8:20 PM EDT
    Seems like there's a shift away from the 0-100 scale in recent years. #musedchat
    In reply to @TriToneJones
  • AndreaMakarchuk Apr 16 @ 8:20 PM EDT
    Our four points are consistently, frequently, sometimes and rarely. For each curricular outcome. #musedchat
  • DoReMiDivnick Apr 16 @ 8:20 PM EDT
    #MusEdChat A1: Our district has decided that we will grade our Kindergartners a 4-point system, and 1-5 get "E/S/N/U" grades which are essentially percentages. We grade based on their ability to meet state standards. So, yes - all of the above!
    In reply to @jguarr
  • theatreducate - Moderator Apr 16 @ 8:21 PM EDT
    A2: I have no limitations, but strive for a grade every other week. I aim for some sort of assessment weekly. #musedchat
  • AndreaMakarchuk Apr 16 @ 8:21 PM EDT
    Cannot include anything that is not in the curriculum. Such as participation, bringing materials (ie instrument) or attendance. #musedchat
  • SamuelFritz Apr 16 @ 8:22 PM EDT
    A2: for now as long as we agree as a music department on category and percent of the total grade, we are able to select. Ours are: Performance , assessment, music literacy, weekly skills #musedchat
  • TriToneJones Apr 16 @ 8:22 PM EDT
    A2: Complete. Nothing was said to me at either of my assignments regarding the content of my grade book. #musedchat
  • Martino_s_music Apr 16 @ 8:22 PM EDT
    A1: Our town phased in the SBG with K-5. Before that, students received Needs Improvement, Good, or Excellent. I scored them in just one main category. #musedchat
    In reply to @jguarr
  • jguarr - Moderator Apr 16 @ 8:22 PM EDT
    I've been thinking about making that stuff a separate category with 0 weight in my gradebook. So kids/parents can see where they are on those things, without impacting academic grades. #musedchat
    In reply to @AndreaMakarchuk
  • BurtonHable Apr 16 @ 8:24 PM EDT
    Hi all! Burton Hable, 6-12 Band in Ankeny, IA. Lurking from orchestra rehearsal again! #MusEdChat
  • AndreaMakarchuk Apr 16 @ 8:24 PM EDT
    I keep track of all of those things in a google form, but do not include it in the student’s mark. It’s good information for discussion with parents. #musedchat
    In reply to @jguarr
  • jguarr - Moderator Apr 16 @ 8:24 PM EDT
    Welcome to the chat! What's on tap at rehearsal tonight? #musedchat
    In reply to @BurtonHable
  • twkellyMRES Apr 16 @ 8:24 PM EDT
    A2: Because we can't really average grades numerically, our grade book is super simplistic. #musedchat
  • DoReMiDivnick Apr 16 @ 8:26 PM EDT
    #MusEdChat A2: We must give at least 9 grades per 9 weeks, and we have an #InstructionalPlanningGuide that highlights the basic goals for those 9 weeks, but we're not told specifics. The only thing we are really told is that our grades CANNOT BE based on participation/behavior.
    In reply to @jguarr
  • edujessication Apr 16 @ 8:26 PM EDT
    A2: We have control over the one grade we give, but there seems to be an unspoken expectation that all students start at "satisfactory" at BOY and are moved to "excellent" by EOY, with rare exceptions #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Apr 16 @ 8:27 PM EDT
    Q3: What are your gradebook categories? Have those changed over the years? #musedchat
  • AndreaMakarchuk Apr 16 @ 8:27 PM EDT
    What happens if I student does not? Seems unrealistic #musedchat
    In reply to @edujessication
  • AndreaMakarchuk Apr 16 @ 8:28 PM EDT
    Technique, music theory, repertoire and concert participation #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Apr 16 @ 8:28 PM EDT
    I've got to tinker with it further...might have to give some nominal weight, like .01. Not enough to actually impact a grade. #musedchat
    In reply to @DoReMiDivnick, @AndreaMakarchuk
  • SamuelFritz Apr 16 @ 8:30 PM EDT
    A3: Performance (concerts), assessments, weekly skills, music literacy. No practice logs, materials or participation grades . Again same in band, choir and orchestra 6-8 #musedchat
  • AndreaMakarchuk Apr 16 @ 8:30 PM EDT
    Categories have not changed much over the years at high school. But going from percentages to outcome based at the middle school has been a struggle. #musedchat
  • BurtonHable Apr 16 @ 8:31 PM EDT
    A1 Standards-“referenced.” Categories and assignments refer to standards, but can’t be a 4-point scale…. #MusEdChat
  • BurtonHable Apr 16 @ 8:31 PM EDT
    Schwanda Polka & Fugue Les Preludes Fun to play, hard to jump in tonight! #MusEdChat
    In reply to @jguarr
  • TriToneJones Apr 16 @ 8:32 PM EDT
    Q3: Daily Participation/Rehearsal Decorum Performances/Concerts Music Literacy (next year) #musedchat
  • DoReMiDivnick Apr 16 @ 8:32 PM EDT
    #MusEdChat A3: My only category this year is "Content Mastery" - the grades are based on skill acquisition: CAN they keep a beat, CAN they perform the lyrics to the song, CAN they tell the dif. between quarter & eighth notes, etc.
    In reply to @jguarr
  • jguarr - Moderator Apr 16 @ 8:32 PM EDT
    A3: Rehearsal skills (used to be participation, but wanted to get more specific on expectations), reflection, playing tests #musedchat
  • TriToneJones Apr 16 @ 8:33 PM EDT
    I really like Rehearsal Skills. Consider it stolen. :-) #musedchat
    In reply to @jguarr
  • BurtonHable Apr 16 @ 8:33 PM EDT
    A3 Breath Support Tone Quality Fingerings Note Length Register Changes Rhythm Tempo Articulation Expression Posture Organization & Readiness Productivity & Accountability Collaboration Skills #MusEdChat
  • jguarr - Moderator Apr 16 @ 8:33 PM EDT
    A3 Had concert participation for awhile, then ditched it. My kids are young enough that they have to rely on others to get to concerts. #musedchat
  • Martino_s_music Apr 16 @ 8:33 PM EDT
    A2: I'm able to set up my grade book as I wish. #musedchat
  • SamuelFritz Apr 16 @ 8:34 PM EDT
    I like “rehearsal skills” #musedchat
    In reply to @jguarr
  • jguarr - Moderator Apr 16 @ 8:34 PM EDT
    Steal away! It's a 4pt rubric based on preparedness, engagement, teamwork, and a couple others. Highest weight, because that's where the bulk of their time is spent #musedchat
    In reply to @TriToneJones
  • BurtonHable Apr 16 @ 8:34 PM EDT
    A3: The bottom 3 are our “work habits” that are reported separately and not weighted. The remaining are categories from our rubric that have percussion equivalents #MusEdChat https://t.co/EivUNMUKMd
    • BurtonHable Apr 16 @ 8:33 PM EDT
      A3 Breath Support Tone Quality Fingerings Note Length Register Changes Rhythm Tempo Articulation Expression Posture Organization & Readiness Productivity & Accountability Collaboration Skills #MusEdChat
  • AmyLynnRever Apr 16 @ 8:35 PM EDT
    A3: Performances, Practice Reflections, Playing Assessments, Misc. Used to be weighted categories, but now I go with points. #musedchat
  • Mwren13 Apr 16 @ 8:36 PM EDT
    I have done the same. #musedchat
    In reply to @jguarr
  • Mwren13 Apr 16 @ 8:36 PM EDT
    Love this idea! #musedchat
    In reply to @jguarr
  • BurtonHable Apr 16 @ 8:37 PM EDT
    A3 Here is a link to our rubric. Always = 100. Usually = 93. Sometimes = 83. Rarely = 73. There’s also an insufficient evidence #MusEdChat https://t.co/kbpRDvM9S2
    • BurtonHable Apr 16 @ 8:34 PM EDT
      A3: The bottom 3 are our “work habits” that are reported separately and not weighted. The remaining are categories from our rubric that have percussion equivalents #MusEdChat https://t.co/EivUNMUKMd
      • BurtonHable Apr 16 @ 8:33 PM EDT
        A3 Breath Support Tone Quality Fingerings Note Length Register Changes Rhythm Tempo Articulation Expression Posture Organization & Readiness Productivity & Accountability Collaboration Skills #MusEdChat
  • jguarr - Moderator Apr 16 @ 8:37 PM EDT
    Our HS even ditched it. In the past, such a grade had been used punitively. Now there's no grade, and also no problem with concert attendance. #musedchat
    In reply to @Mwren13
  • Mwren13 Apr 16 @ 8:37 PM EDT
    A3. I try to base it on the 9 MENC standards. #musedchat
  • Mwren13 Apr 16 @ 8:38 PM EDT
    I teach K-8. Always seemed unfair to punish a kid for what is likely their parent's decision. #musedchat
    In reply to @jguarr
  • Mwren13 Apr 16 @ 8:38 PM EDT
    Yes! This drives me crazy. #musedchat
    In reply to @TriToneJones
  • SamuelFritz Apr 16 @ 8:39 PM EDT
    Within our categories we have 6 Essential Learnings apitch Reading, Rhythm Reading, Repertoire comprehension, Performing, Interpreting, and Evaluating #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Apr 16 @ 8:39 PM EDT
    Agreed! When I first started, I did it because "that's how it had always been done..." then I thought more about it and stopped. Might work for others, not for me though. #musedchat
    In reply to @Mwren13
  • edujessication Apr 16 @ 8:40 PM EDT
    A3: I have to be honest, this is my weak spot. I haven't figured out the best way to keep track for the 400 kids I see once a week, especially since specials' grades are kinda laid back for us #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Apr 16 @ 8:43 PM EDT
    It's difficult enough to grade kids I see every day...can't imagine what a challenge it is to do that for that number of kids in that amount of time. #musedchat
    In reply to @edujessication
  • Mwren13 Apr 16 @ 8:46 PM EDT
    I agree. #musedchat
    In reply to @jguarr
  • Martino_s_music Apr 16 @ 8:46 PM EDT
    A3: K-5 has 4 categories: Musical Concepts, Music Literacy, Performance Skills, and Appropriate Behavior. It is difficult to assess all of the students I see, which is once per week for most. #musedchat
  • Mwren13 Apr 16 @ 8:47 PM EDT
    When I worked at a bigger school we had a system where we assessed based on 3-4 things. I really like that system. #musedchat
    In reply to @edujessication
  • jguarr - Moderator Apr 16 @ 8:48 PM EDT
    Q4: How does gradebook info get passed to students and parents? Just letters/percentages? Comments? Narrative paragraphs? #musedchat
  • Mwren13 Apr 16 @ 8:48 PM EDT
    I love the idea of showing work habits separately. I believe that is important information but it should not impact grades. #musedchat
    In reply to @BurtonHable
  • TriToneJones Apr 16 @ 8:50 PM EDT
    Q4: We use Aspen, so grades are available online. Report cards use letters only. Comments on report cards are stock and code-based, but assignments have comment boxes where we can input in more detail. #musedchat
  • AndreaMakarchuk Apr 16 @ 8:50 PM EDT
    Our grade program is available to parents and students on line. But a report card is still sent 4 times per year. #musedchat
  • DoReMiDivnick Apr 16 @ 8:51 PM EDT
    #MusEdChat A4: Our district has a "parent portal" where parents can check in at any time to see how their children are progressing. They cannot see specific assignments, just the actual grade: if they have concerns, our contact information is attached to the grade.
    In reply to @jguarr
  • AndreaMakarchuk Apr 16 @ 8:51 PM EDT
    Comments can be made to individual assignments and then you can use generated report card comments or your own. #musedchat
  • AndreaMakarchuk Apr 16 @ 8:52 PM EDT
    Our parent portal with PowerSchool shows everything. #musedchat
    In reply to @DoReMiDivnick, @jguarr
  • Mwren13 Apr 16 @ 8:54 PM EDT
    A4. We have an online grade book and report cards go home 4x a year. #musedchat
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  • SamuelFritz Apr 16 @ 8:56 PM EDT
    A4: we use @CanvasLMS and @Skyward_Inc portals for parents and students. Still have the old report card too. #musedchat
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  • AndreaMakarchuk Apr 16 @ 8:57 PM EDT
    I have to go but Thanks for the chat! #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Apr 16 @ 8:58 PM EDT
    I student taught in a place that used Skyward. One of the counselors was named John Connor. Had to keep an eye out for time traveling cyborgs. #musedchat
    In reply to @SamuelFritz
  • Martino_s_music Apr 16 @ 8:58 PM EDT
    A4: Grades printed from PowerSchool ea.marking period & given to parents at conferences. Someone Forgot To Consider Instrumental Music when designing the SBG report cards. My husband (also an elem music teacher in town) & I designed a separate band report card w/ SBG. #musedchat