#INZpirED Archive

This is a weekly chat often based around one or two questions to spark discussion & debate around educational issues.
Friday January 13, 2017
9:30 PM EST
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  • KSThakral - Moderator Jan 13 @ 9:31 PM EST
    Today’s topic: Screen time - how much time is good for children and its impact on their development. #INZPirED
  • KSThakral - Moderator Jan 13 @ 9:31 PM EST
    Screen time refers to how much time one spends in front of a screen, whether it’s a TV, smart device, or computer. #INZPirED
  • JKatzaman Jan 13 @ 9:32 PM EST
    Joining #INZPirED chat from Maryland to talk about screen time.
  • KSThakral - Moderator Jan 13 @ 9:33 PM EST
    There is a vast repository of research & articles suggesting that it is bad for kids - dangerous, leads to addiction, obesity etc #INZPirED
  • mjjohnson1216 Jan 13 @ 9:33 PM EST
    Meredith joining #inzpired to talk about screen time - not sure that my thoughts on this topic match what research shows
  • KSThakral - Moderator Jan 13 @ 9:33 PM EST
    Morning Jim - our screen time begins I guess #INZPirED
    In reply to @JKatzaman
  • mjjohnson1216 Jan 13 @ 9:35 PM EST
    Love the term "screenagers" in this PBS article https://t.co/o3M7Vlup6q #inzpired
  • KSThakral - Moderator Jan 13 @ 9:35 PM EST
    Hi Meredith, that is exactly what we are trying to bust today. This myth is becoming a talking point in education #INZPirED
    In reply to @mjjohnson1216
  • mjjohnson1216 Jan 13 @ 9:36 PM EST
    I am all ears! #inzpired
    In reply to @KSThakral
  • KSThakral - Moderator Jan 13 @ 9:36 PM EST
    Indeed - there is that movie on https://t.co/Pqj1S3J76P as well which is causing schools to worry #INZPirED
    In reply to @mjjohnson1216
  • PranSang Jan 13 @ 9:36 PM EST
    Good morning #INZPirED joining in from Mumbai, India hey Sunny!
  • KSThakral - Moderator Jan 13 @ 9:37 PM EST
    Morning Pranav - The cavalry has arrived :) #INZPirED
    In reply to @PranSang
  • mjjohnson1216 Jan 13 @ 9:37 PM EST
    My, my .. this chat has quite the International participants! Impressive! #inzpired
  • PranSang Jan 13 @ 9:38 PM EST
    yes with a lot of inputs as a parent. I'm pro screentime :) #INZPirED
    In reply to @KSThakral
  • KSThakral - Moderator Jan 13 @ 9:38 PM EST
    A screen is no more responsible for anxiety or depression or obesity than a deck of playing cards is responsible for gambling. #INZPirED
  • mjjohnson1216 Jan 13 @ 9:39 PM EST
    Ok, I will agree w/ your statement. What about the effects on the brain? https://t.co/ykY4APnpYI #inzpired
    • KSThakral - Moderator Jan 13 @ 9:38 PM EST
      A screen is no more responsible for anxiety or depression or obesity than a deck of playing cards is responsible for gambling. #INZPirED
  • PranSang Jan 13 @ 9:40 PM EST
    good morning Meredith welcome to #INZPirED , we thrive on diversity not only in topics but participants as well :)
    In reply to @mjjohnson1216
  • JKatzaman Jan 13 @ 9:41 PM EST
    Schools could have worried about screen time 50 years ago. There was no internet then, but you could watch TV morning to night. #INZPirED
  • KSThakral - Moderator Jan 13 @ 9:41 PM EST
    All ears on this one Pranav - share your views #INZPirED
    In reply to @PranSang
  • mrterborg Jan 13 @ 9:43 PM EST
    But that was supposed to be educational. Then those devices were labelled "Idiot Boxes" #INZPirED
    In reply to @JKatzaman
  • KSThakral - Moderator Jan 13 @ 9:43 PM EST
    Depends upon the activity in my view - would reading books on Kindle impact the brain similarly? #INZPirED
    In reply to @mjjohnson1216
  • PranSang Jan 13 @ 9:43 PM EST
    In terms of addiction, it is up to the parents to monitor 1. the quantum of time spent in front of a screen 2. the sites visited #INZPirED
  • mjjohnson1216 Jan 13 @ 9:44 PM EST
    Interesting question #inzpired
    In reply to @KSThakral
  • mrterborg Jan 13 @ 9:45 PM EST
    I'd say that too much reading can have negative effects as well. #INZPirED
    In reply to @KSThakral, @mjjohnson1216
  • JKatzaman Jan 13 @ 9:45 PM EST
    And you're talking with one of those educated idiots. #INZPirED
    In reply to @mrterborg
  • KSThakral - Moderator Jan 13 @ 9:45 PM EST
    I agree but think the increased use of screens & portable devices in schools has brought the discussion to our domain #INZPirED
    In reply to @JKatzaman
  • PranSang Jan 13 @ 9:45 PM EST
    My dotter watches dance song videos & practices then choreographs Bollywood song dances @ her school events & performs on stage. #INZPirED
  • PranSang Jan 13 @ 9:46 PM EST
    She watches hair & makeup videos & now teaches her mom a thing or two #INZPirED I think if guided right, there is a plethora of benefits
  • KSThakral - Moderator Jan 13 @ 9:46 PM EST
    You could be a lot of things Mr Katzaman but never an idiot - well unless you want to be :p #INZPirED
    In reply to @JKatzaman, @mrterborg
  • mjjohnson1216 Jan 13 @ 9:47 PM EST
    Grew up w/ "boob" tube, used social media each day since 1993, watch tv/use Twitter @ same time-shouldn't my mind be fried by now? #inzpired
  • KSThakral - Moderator Jan 13 @ 9:47 PM EST
    The key word is guidance - unsupervised anything can be unhealthy. #INZPirED
    • PranSang Jan 13 @ 9:46 PM EST
      She watches hair & makeup videos & now teaches her mom a thing or two #INZPirED I think if guided right, there is a plethora of benefits
  • mrterborg Jan 13 @ 9:48 PM EST
    I think that we need to worry about what kind of screen time happens. Consumption for creation #inzpired
    In reply to @KSThakral, @JKatzaman
  • mjjohnson1216 Jan 13 @ 9:49 PM EST
    Children need time for language to develop. #inzpired
  • KSThakral - Moderator Jan 13 @ 9:49 PM EST
    Exactly, I was 'addicted’ to video games from a wee age & spent countless hours too. Personal experience differs from research #INZPirED
    • mjjohnson1216 Jan 13 @ 9:47 PM EST
      Grew up w/ "boob" tube, used social media each day since 1993, watch tv/use Twitter @ same time-shouldn't my mind be fried by now? #inzpired
  • KSThakral - Moderator Jan 13 @ 9:50 PM EST
    Exactly - Not all screen time is the same #INZPirED
    In reply to @mrterborg, @JKatzaman
  • mjjohnson1216 Jan 13 @ 9:50 PM EST
    Would a child with a variety of interests naturally gravitate toward a many different activities? #inzpired
  • PranSang Jan 13 @ 9:50 PM EST
    I also ensure she gets enuf of studies, swimming, running, playing with friends, reading in to her weekly schedule #INZPirED
  • mrterborg Jan 13 @ 9:50 PM EST
    How would you know it isn't? :) #inzpired Even still one wonders what negative effects have transpired, even if unknown.
    In reply to @mjjohnson1216
  • mrterborg Jan 13 @ 9:51 PM EST
    Yes, but research does show trends. Personal may vary. But need to recognize it. #INZPirED
    In reply to @KSThakral
  • mjjohnson1216 Jan 13 @ 9:52 PM EST
    Uh, this topic is challenging to talk about on Twitter w/ so few characters. #inzpired
    In reply to @mrterborg
  • PranSang Jan 13 @ 9:52 PM EST
    absolutely, as juvenile minds can absorb anything and can easily stray off course even addiction if not guided right! #INZPirED
    In reply to @KSThakral
  • mrterborg Jan 13 @ 9:53 PM EST
    I think that depends on upbringing. Need to expose more to more things. Earlier the better. https://t.co/XLMgLp8F8g #inzpired
    In reply to @mjjohnson1216
  • KSThakral - Moderator Jan 13 @ 9:53 PM EST
    Agree however research can generalise too much and be quoted out of context #INZPirED
    In reply to @mrterborg
  • mrterborg Jan 13 @ 9:53 PM EST
    Indeed it is. #inzpired Blame TV for our short attn spans. Internet has made it. What was I saying? #inzpired
    In reply to @mjjohnson1216
  • mrterborg Jan 13 @ 9:54 PM EST
    Oh yes. But that's not the fault of research. Is it? #INZPirED
    In reply to @KSThakral
  • mjjohnson1216 Jan 13 @ 9:54 PM EST
    such a great sense of humor you have! #inzpired
    In reply to @mrterborg
  • PranSang Jan 13 @ 9:54 PM EST
    I think k it is the job of the parent to show & introduce those avenues of interest & let the child decide which #INZPirED
    In reply to @mjjohnson1216
  • JKatzaman Jan 13 @ 9:55 PM EST
    Yes, computer screen time can be used for good or ill. #INZPirED
  • mrterborg Jan 13 @ 9:55 PM EST
    Thanks! I had a humorous bone replaced in the late 90s. #inzpired
    In reply to @mjjohnson1216
  • mrterborg Jan 13 @ 9:56 PM EST
    Come to think of it, it may have been an artificial implant #inzpired
    In reply to @mjjohnson1216
  • KSThakral - Moderator Jan 13 @ 9:56 PM EST
    Could be, researchers are human as well. Seen some BMI studies ignore other contexts to focus on tech & vice versa #INZPirED
    In reply to @mrterborg
  • KSThakral - Moderator Jan 13 @ 9:56 PM EST
    Haha :) #INZPirED
    In reply to @JKatzaman
  • mrterborg Jan 13 @ 9:56 PM EST
    Yes, which is why it was a ?. I was thinking about PR/news generalizing rather than scientists' egos. #INZPirED
    In reply to @KSThakral
  • mjjohnson1216 Jan 13 @ 9:57 PM EST
    Not enough sleep last night :-( Have to sneak out the backdoor tonight. Great topic! #inzpired
  • mrterborg Jan 13 @ 9:57 PM EST
    But what if parents don't have time, resources, or the interest to do so? #INZPirED
    In reply to @PranSang, @mjjohnson1216
  • KSThakral - Moderator Jan 13 @ 9:57 PM EST
    Thanks for joining in Meredith, Have a great night #INZPirED
    In reply to @mjjohnson1216
  • mrterborg Jan 13 @ 9:58 PM EST
    I'd love to play a nice game of chess. #INZPirED
    In reply to @KSThakral, @JKatzaman
  • KSThakral - Moderator Jan 13 @ 9:58 PM EST
    Then shouldn’t we be saying parents are bad for kid’s development #INZPirED
    In reply to @mrterborg, @PranSang, @mjjohnson1216
  • mrterborg Jan 13 @ 9:58 PM EST
    I guess I'm scaring her away. #inzpired
    In reply to @mjjohnson1216
  • naghma_khn Jan 13 @ 9:59 PM EST
    Good morning folks #INZPirED
  • mrterborg Jan 13 @ 9:59 PM EST
    We can never say that. Otherwise we might head down the path of residential schools for all, #INZPirED
    In reply to @KSThakral, @PranSang, @mjjohnson1216
  • KSThakral - Moderator Jan 13 @ 9:59 PM EST
    Maybe it is that pic of yours. ;) too psychedelic #INZPirED
    In reply to @mrterborg, @mjjohnson1216
  • mrterborg Jan 13 @ 10:00 PM EST
    Requiring parent licenses, and ending up with a brave new world. #INZPirED
    In reply to @KSThakral, @PranSang, @mjjohnson1216
  • KSThakral - Moderator Jan 13 @ 10:00 PM EST
    Indeed stats and research can be quoted selectively to support your agenda/viewpoint #INZPirED
    In reply to @mrterborg
  • PranSang Jan 13 @ 10:01 PM EST
    then I think it's the parents fault & failing for not caring enough about their child's upbringing #INZPirED
    In reply to @mrterborg, @mjjohnson1216
  • naghma_khn Jan 13 @ 10:01 PM EST
    Sorry, joining in late. #inzpired
  • mrterborg Jan 13 @ 10:01 PM EST
    Statistics will get you every time. #INZPirED
    In reply to @KSThakral
  • KSThakral - Moderator Jan 13 @ 10:01 PM EST
    Was that a hint for more followers Mr Pant. :) Indeed the content & interaction plays an important part as well #INZPirED
    In reply to @kmagrp, @mrterborg
  • mrterborg Jan 13 @ 10:02 PM EST
    That may be true but it may not be. There are resources, time, and other factors. #INZPirED
    In reply to @PranSang, @mjjohnson1216
  • mrterborg Jan 13 @ 10:03 PM EST
    Yes, this is why we need to teach our youngest to be creators along with being #digcit responsible consumers. #INZPirED
    In reply to @KSThakral, @kmagrp
  • KSThakral - Moderator Jan 13 @ 10:03 PM EST
    We might have to with all these millennials with reduced brain function due to screen time :) #INZPirED
    In reply to @mrterborg, @PranSang, @mjjohnson1216
  • JKatzaman Jan 13 @ 10:03 PM EST
    I encouraged our kids to get out and play. Our son decided he didn't like to sweat and ditched baseball for computer games. #INZPirED
  • PranSang Jan 13 @ 10:03 PM EST
    being there for the child & giving time are prime, if one doesn't have then shud delay having kids #INZPirED
    In reply to @mrterborg, @mjjohnson1216
  • PranSang Jan 13 @ 10:04 PM EST
    parenting is a very important job as you have wet clay in you hands on a wheel spinning g fast #INZPirED
    In reply to @mrterborg, @mjjohnson1216
  • mrterborg Jan 13 @ 10:04 PM EST
    Blame it on free enterprise ... #INZPirED
    In reply to @KSThakral, @PranSang, @mjjohnson1216
  • naghma_khn Jan 13 @ 10:04 PM EST
    Its the management #inzpired https://t.co/v7DfdpAkza
  • naghma_khn Jan 13 @ 10:04 PM EST
    Its the management #inzpired https://t.co/hjnoND9hFv
  • KSThakral - Moderator Jan 13 @ 10:05 PM EST
    Sometimes I enjoy listening to people quote them because of the happiness it gives them. The joy is amazing to see :) #INZPirED
    In reply to @mrterborg
  • mrterborg Jan 13 @ 10:05 PM EST
    Should and reality are often two different things. #INZPirED But it is a valid point.
    In reply to @PranSang, @mjjohnson1216
  • mrterborg Jan 13 @ 10:06 PM EST
    I'd assert that those with ample resources and time aren't always there for their children either. #INZPirED
    In reply to @PranSang, @mjjohnson1216
  • naghma_khn Jan 13 @ 10:06 PM EST
    Have seen kids losing focus due to excessive screen time. The way it stimulates the brain can cause severe aggression n ADHD sym #inzpired
  • KSThakral - Moderator Jan 13 @ 10:06 PM EST
    HI Naghma - talking about screen time impact on children #INZPirED - Jump in.
    In reply to @naghma_khn
  • mrterborg Jan 13 @ 10:07 PM EST
    That's why we have nannies, schools, and other day care centers ... #INZPirED
    In reply to @PranSang, @mjjohnson1216
  • PranSang Jan 13 @ 10:07 PM EST
    in my case, my son plays soccer for a local club & his college + is an ace on @EASPORTSFIFA #INZPirED
    In reply to @JKatzaman, @EASPORTSFIFA
  • naghma_khn Jan 13 @ 10:07 PM EST
    One of my fav. topics :) #inzpired
    In reply to @KSThakral
  • kmagrp Jan 13 @ 10:08 PM EST
    Not a very subtle one @KSThakral if you saw through it. 😊But unlike you educationists I am no thought leader. @mrterborg #INZpired
    In reply to @KSThakral, @mrterborg
  • mrterborg Jan 13 @ 10:08 PM EST
    I'd assert that we have reset students neurological levels to require higher stimulation. Schools drop below this. #inzpired
    In reply to @naghma_khn
  • PranSang Jan 13 @ 10:08 PM EST
    as they say better late than never, Naghma #INZPirED
    In reply to @naghma_khn
  • KSThakral - Moderator Jan 13 @ 10:08 PM EST
    But would the same kids not get stimulation from other activities - like loud music, fireworks or traffic. #INZPirED
    In reply to @naghma_khn
  • KSThakral - Moderator Jan 13 @ 10:09 PM EST
    Now Now Mr Pant - don’t undersell your self. You lead the thought leaders #INZPirED
    In reply to @kmagrp, @mrterborg
  • mrterborg Jan 13 @ 10:09 PM EST
    But you're in HR. You can manage with the best of them. #INZpired
    In reply to @kmagrp, @KSThakral
  • naghma_khn Jan 13 @ 10:09 PM EST
    Agree completely. The way Ss have started overusing n feeling the tem 'BORED' is not even funny anymore #inzpired
    In reply to @mrterborg
  • mrterborg Jan 13 @ 10:10 PM EST
    Stimulation, perhaps but I think it's different. I'd have to do more research, my gut and basic reading #INZPirED
    In reply to @KSThakral, @naghma_khn
  • mrterborg Jan 13 @ 10:10 PM EST
    It's how we raise them. We put an iPacifier in their hands at the wee age of ... #inzpired
    In reply to @naghma_khn
  • mrterborg Jan 13 @ 10:11 PM EST
    And now schools have to handle results. #inzpired
    In reply to @naghma_khn
  • KSThakral - Moderator Jan 13 @ 10:11 PM EST
    Would this not be part of evolution I wonder. We adapt to our environment. Perhaps our brains are evolving #INZPirED
    In reply to @naghma_khn, @mrterborg
  • naghma_khn Jan 13 @ 10:11 PM EST
    Yes, but how long the expsure is ging to b for thse other stimu. brain gets excited and vrious nural paths gets lighted #inzpired
    In reply to @KSThakral
  • JKatzaman Jan 13 @ 10:12 PM EST
    I wouldn't want anyone to get stimulated by traffic. We have enough trouble with dogs chasing cars. #INZpirED
    In reply to @KSThakral, @naghma_khn
  • mrterborg Jan 13 @ 10:12 PM EST
    Some would say evolution others would say #INZPirED
    In reply to @KSThakral, @naghma_khn
  • PranSang Jan 13 @ 10:12 PM EST
    sure there are exceptions to everything but if that be the case they shouldn't have kids #INZPirED
    In reply to @mrterborg, @mjjohnson1216
  • naghma_khn Jan 13 @ 10:13 PM EST
    I depend more on my personal experience #inzpired.
    In reply to @mrterborg, @KSThakral
  • naghma_khn Jan 13 @ 10:13 PM EST
    It makes us feel less guilty #inzpired
    In reply to @mrterborg
  • KSThakral - Moderator Jan 13 @ 10:13 PM EST
    Compared to when we were in the jungle or the cave a huge amount of time. Our brains have been evolving. #INZPirED
    In reply to @naghma_khn
  • kmagrp Jan 13 @ 10:13 PM EST
    Some of us in HR do, I just try to set the stage for others in organisation to play their stellar roles. @mrterborg @KSThakral #INZpired
    In reply to @mrterborg, @KSThakral
  • mrterborg Jan 13 @ 10:14 PM EST
    Having to play, I mean work, in traffic every afternoon ... I agree. #INZpirED
    In reply to @JKatzaman, @KSThakral, @naghma_khn
  • naghma_khn Jan 13 @ 10:14 PM EST
    Brain do evolve but still have certain capacity n strength #inzpired
    In reply to @KSThakral, @mrterborg
  • mrterborg Jan 13 @ 10:14 PM EST
    It does. I'm not saying I disagree or don't understand. There are unknown long term ramifications. #inzpired
    In reply to @naghma_khn
  • KSThakral - Moderator Jan 13 @ 10:15 PM EST
    Ditto that - Slow Traffic has it’s own impact on the brain :) #INZPirED
    In reply to @mrterborg, @JKatzaman, @naghma_khn
  • naghma_khn Jan 13 @ 10:16 PM EST
    There are a lot of resear. going on but no concrete stuff. #inzpired
    In reply to @mrterborg
  • mrterborg Jan 13 @ 10:16 PM EST
    So does fast traffic and it may not be pleasant. #INZPirED
    In reply to @KSThakral, @JKatzaman, @naghma_khn
  • KSThakral - Moderator Jan 13 @ 10:16 PM EST
    Haha - now we are really in the extreme. #INZPirED
    In reply to @mrterborg, @naghma_khn
  • naghma_khn Jan 13 @ 10:17 PM EST
    The right amount of stimulation but what is that level? Lets explore #inzpired
    In reply to @mrterborg, @KSThakral, @JKatzaman
  • mrterborg Jan 13 @ 10:17 PM EST
    Brain research on effects of teen internet use is scarce https://t.co/VF3h1lQWvR #inzpired
  • naghma_khn Jan 13 @ 10:17 PM EST
    Lets meet midway #inzpired
    In reply to @KSThakral, @mrterborg
  • mrterborg Jan 13 @ 10:18 PM EST
    Depends on child, classroom, day of week, time of year, but yes, let's do. #inzpired
    In reply to @naghma_khn, @KSThakral, @JKatzaman
  • mrterborg Jan 13 @ 10:19 PM EST
    At the airport? #inzpired
    In reply to @naghma_khn, @KSThakral
  • naghma_khn Jan 13 @ 10:19 PM EST
    Am game :) #inzpired
    In reply to @mrterborg, @KSThakral, @JKatzaman
  • KSThakral - Moderator Jan 13 @ 10:19 PM EST
    Thought we hadn’t full explored its potential yet. #INZPirED
    In reply to @naghma_khn, @mrterborg
  • mrterborg Jan 13 @ 10:19 PM EST
    Right. Which is why we need to move forward but tread cautiously. #inzpired
    In reply to @naghma_khn
  • naghma_khn Jan 13 @ 10:20 PM EST
    Lol. Why not? #inzpired
    In reply to @mrterborg, @KSThakral
  • mrterborg Jan 13 @ 10:20 PM EST
    Agreed. We're too busy with other things ... #INZPirED
    In reply to @KSThakral, @naghma_khn
  • mrterborg Jan 13 @ 10:20 PM EST
    Chicago isn't the best place right now ... #inzpired
    In reply to @naghma_khn, @KSThakral
  • naghma_khn Jan 13 @ 10:21 PM EST
    and in our own useless debates. More sound than action #inzpired
    In reply to @mrterborg, @KSThakral
  • kmagrp Jan 13 @ 10:22 PM EST
    The famous Aristotlean "golden middle way" ! @naghma_khn @KSThakral @mrterborg #INZpired
    In reply to @naghma_khn, @KSThakral, @mrterborg
  • naghma_khn Jan 13 @ 10:23 PM EST
    Solution 2 major conflicts #inzpired
    In reply to @kmagrp, @KSThakral, @mrterborg
  • KSThakral - Moderator Jan 13 @ 10:23 PM EST
    Thanks for the sensory overload & the hour of screen time - I will go bounce around a bit which should reduce my BMI #balance #INZPirED
  • mrterborg Jan 13 @ 10:23 PM EST
    Right. So often Tw is full of discussions that seem to go nowhere. #inzpired
    In reply to @naghma_khn, @KSThakral
  • KSThakral - Moderator Jan 13 @ 10:25 PM EST
    Takeaways - Not all screen time is bad - know your students & design purposeful activities - parental awareness is needed #INZPirED
  • mrterborg Jan 13 @ 10:25 PM EST
    But back to screen time. It's here. What do we do with it? #inzpired
  • KSThakral - Moderator Jan 13 @ 10:25 PM EST
    Have a great weekend everyone. Go out and enjoy the world and take a screen with you. #INZPirED
  • naghma_khn Jan 13 @ 10:25 PM EST
    I don't mind snow :) #inzpired
    In reply to @mrterborg, @KSThakral
  • mrterborg Jan 13 @ 10:26 PM EST
    I don't either. It's the ice and the wind that bug me. #inzpired
    In reply to @naghma_khn, @KSThakral
  • naghma_khn Jan 13 @ 10:26 PM EST
    And will drag some Sunny weather too ;) #inzpired
    In reply to @mrterborg, @KSThakral
  • KSThakral - Moderator Jan 13 @ 10:27 PM EST
    We live with it - It isn’t going away. #INZPirED Soon walls will be screens too #bladerunner
    In reply to @mrterborg
  • naghma_khn Jan 13 @ 10:28 PM EST
    Visit India :) #inzpired
    In reply to @mrterborg, @KSThakral
  • mrterborg Jan 13 @ 10:28 PM EST
    I'd like that. Anywhere near Mumbai? #inzpired
    In reply to @naghma_khn, @KSThakral