#sschat Archive
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Monday August 15, 2016
Q1 Hi fellow nerds! Intro yourself & a favorite comic or graphic novel you use in class or just love to read https://t.co/o52njJXRJw
Here is a collaborative link to add titles, resources, etc for all - please continue to add https://t.co/NhgZpr2cCJ
Chris from Bloomington, IN. Teach world history for private online HS. I love the March graphic novels & also Boxers/Saints.
A1: Bruce 8th grade ss. Big fan of !
boxers is on my wish list to use in world history course!
Don't forget to add to your tweets for us all to see
Hi This summer I taught The Harlem Hellfighters. Now I am reading Persepolis thanks to
Hi Brittany from NJ, 6th & 7th grades, I'm not experienced with comics or graphic novels at all, just old political cartoons
A1: Hey everyone. Evan from PA teacher of World History. Using Nat Turner when teaching the trans Atlantic slave trade was awesome
Awesome! :) I need to reead The Harlem Hellfighters.
A1 Hi all! Sarah here from Massachusetts. I'll be teaching US history this year. Enjoyed reading Persepolis for a class in college!
Brit from Munster, Indiana...teach 7th grade ELA, use my own comics for class and taught 'I Kill Giants' last year to great success
I'm a comic artist and teacher. I love March, Persepolis and Palestine.
Hey , checking in from in Salt Lake City - coolest/geekiest coffee shop ever. You're jealous. https://t.co/0mmrBZP6fp
a great inspiringly sad story! . Let us know about your comics!
A1: I'm Samantha. I teach HS world hist. I'm reading Persepolis, but my favorite comic strips are Calvin & Hobbes & Zits.
same skills! Visual literacy and critical reading
A1 Hi , this is Bill Chapman from Berkeley, CA. A recent graphic novel I really liked was Logicomix. https://t.co/0F9u7eIcbN
Thanks! It's my first live . I'm excited!
Hello -- I'm a comics scholar and religion researcher in the Boston area. I'll mostly be lurking...
Love old X-Men, really digging Batman...kids loved 'Gotham Academy' and 'Lumberjanes' as well as Miles Morales 'Spider-Man'
It's about time, jerk! If you've never done it before, it can be overwhelming. Just breathe.
That sounds really interesting.
Good day Alex in LA, Comics are too expensive, but once I got a Walking Dead omnibus as a gift and it was good.
Wasn't sure I could make it. Glad I did too.
Really know nothing of comics but I'm trying new things all the time.
Nice seeing you Brit -- did you get any pushback on IKG with seventh graders content-wise?
Quite kind of you, Chris.
Want to utilize more graphic novels in literary study and work with Global Studies teacher to team teach topics...
Reading teacher in Chicago Heights. Use Pride of Baghdad & Life and Legend: Andre the Giant in my class.
I'm reading DEMOCRACY right now from the same author/artist team -- very good.
A1: Carrie from Tampa, Florida. 7th grade US Civics this year so I'm looking for new graphic novels to use.
My iPhone is blowing up! Sorry if I am behind - computer in shop!
also recently lectured to teachers about using comics in the clasroom w/my co-creator great supplemental material
Hi all - Luke from Northern VA here 😊
planning on using Yummy, March, and Through the Woods as well!
There are so many for that age group...you'll get a lot of great ideas.
A2) I've used pieces but not entire ones, mostly b/c I have been teaching online the last few yrs & harder to find for wrld hist.
Sorry I can't participate tonight...I'll review this chat later! So interested in using comics in the classroom! Awesome topic!
A1: Love using comics/GNs! Used Anne Frank graphic bio to discuss layers of meaning, text, exposition, dialog
I've used them but purchased/acquired them on my own accord. Admin not big fan of idea of GN in classroom.
A2 Haven't used them in Ancient Hist, I think bc I personally I'm not a comic person so I need to be pushed out of my comfort zone
I've shown Persepolis the film but not the comic. I mainly teach graphic design so it isn't directly relevant.
Q2: Yes and mostly because I love comics, especially loved using them for US History. Just need Civics ideas now. :)
Oof, do you encounter any troubles with PRIDE OF BAGHDAD?
For my government class: What about this election makes it so different? Keep it classy Twitter.
A2 I've never assigned graphic novels, but I've provided them to Ss as optional reading (in class or to take home)
A2: I did when I taught 6th grade. Why not, indeed. Don't have many books in my tech lab though
A2 I've used many -- primary reasons are student engagement (they WANT to read them) and the support the format gives to readers
We love using comics as part of instruction, content creation, and analysis!
use it to teach visual metaphors
great thing about is they have so much w/i them. Can do much w/ selections. Modern comics connect to past
A2 sometimes I couch that in "support to struggling or reluctant readers," but really it's all readers.
Brought my own comics in last January just to get my kids to read...they sat for 3 days in silence reading...bliss.
A2 Used them to engage reluctant readers and in the small group setting. The most successful "close reading" I see in class.
That's what tonight is all about! Later question will get into helping sell them! I am a reading specialist - trust me!
My own children have enjoyed Graphic Novels: Romero & Juliet, Frankenstein, The Odyssey
A2: I used some graphic novels w/ my S's who have issues reading. It was pretty successful, but my resources were limited
A2 I have assigned Ss to create comics, though, with options to make online (e.g., on https://t.co/gWdOvNr2pV ) or by hand
nothing major, the kids point out the assault of female lion. But convo was had about gender, nature of animals, war
thank you for letting me know!
A2 I've been focusing on changing language - "developing" readers tells me they're just not there - yet. https://t.co/kc85YNeBIi
A2 sometimes I couch that in "support to struggling or reluctant readers," but really it's all readers.
A2) Used pieces from the illustrated Howard Zinn book in class. Loved the quick pieces it allows https://t.co/i4R6nV3akR
Jill, Dir of Teaching and Learning from FL jumping in a little late
Seeing my own kids fall in love with 's Hazardous Tales series sold me on them immediately https://t.co/zkP0x3d6Rw
My own children have enjoyed Graphic Novels: Romero & Juliet, Frankenstein, The Odyssey
crazy that admins have scoffed at attending edu-centric at cons. Still a stigma about what a comic con is
bonus points for you! Awesome comic
We spent the rest of the semester trying to create our own comics, utilizing an interactive notebook, and sequencing...
A2: I have only used Nat Turner, but there are endless materials that can be used for a number of topics that will engage students
They're all US History, 6 in the series so far, each one is incredible. You want them.
Kids lead the way w/ reading. Follow the children's interests, choice, love, passion for reading
I was about to ask if people had been having students create them.
With so many nonfiction graphic texts, it's easy to use a visual history in the humanities. https://t.co/Fv2T0Tf5aP
I love Gareth Hinds' The Odyssey – beautifully done. The Olympians by is also terrific.
Oooh! Awesome! My kids love the graphic novel versions of the Rick Riordan books - as well as the traditional format.
me too! There comic of a little overboard at times but still a great resource
an open dialogue has to be put forth. All depends on age of students and what you can "get away with"
I use Book Creator which has comic book formatting.
Only as final projects -- means of synthesizing what they have learned.
the ability for all students of all backgrounds to see themselves in heroes
What's good about makebeliefscomix is that, even though it's silly (and clumsy to use), all Ss can participate creatively
Hello there, lurking and enjoying the tweets
A2: Must recc ! Bring world into classroom & help ss think abt how to make it better!
I'd love to hear other online comic creations
did that last year. Took 12 kids from schools Literary magazine. They loved it. Issue is $$$ though.
This looks great! Thanks for sharing! Totally the comic I would've been into in high school!
will have to check these out! Sounds awesome
I have not. Thanks for the recommendation.
That's awesome. Just checked it out. Idea on appropriate grade level?
I like to have students make them for story retelling/interpretation for Social Studies.
I will look into that right away! Is it free?
Also going to try to have our own 'School Comic-Con' using comics that the Ss have created and see if they can get 'subscriptions'
- Ss and I loved the comics, had to convince parents they were useful - showed old textbook vs. comic book.
Comics reinforce sequencing & spatial adjacency. The space btwn the frames matters pushing kids to make connections.
A3: Comics are expensive and there's a fad of turning everything into one by peeps looking to cash in
have had it questioned "how do you teach close reading with a graphic novel?" Layman teachers are scared to try
A3 Issues I see coming up: 1. still lack of acceptance of format from admin/parents/librarians who haven't read a comic themselves
also regularly let certain classes listen to his lecture "Artists In A Time Of War."
A2 Finding books that are age appropriate and engaging. Find a lot of stuff that I'd like to use but can't due to content.
A3 2. Money - graphic novels often more expensive than a set of cheap paperbacks
A3 people still viewing comics as kiddie lot - missing how much can be done on all levels
A3: Some of my middle school girls have some comic book stereotypes they refuse to shake.
A3 Finding one that is relevant enough to that lesson/unit so that I don't fall behind or have to cut something else
A3: Old biases from the Comics Code era make it difficult; but once show research & power of can turn around convo
Have them create their own company and the company with the most 'subscriptions' wins...
A3 Haven't experienced to many issues with the ones I've used. Good change of pace most times!
A3 my Masters thesis was on using comics to engage reluctant readers - professors were awesome in their faith
Jumping into this, even tho' I hadn't intended to. Classics prof/Roman archaeologist at U of U
talk to admin, sell it right (recreation/engagement). They might throw you some funds
Another great series for history and adventure is The Crogan Adventures by
A3 3. Content - sometimes seeing something illustrated (violence, sex) is more shocking/offensive than reading it in prose
A3 I have always had trouble getting funding. And also curriculum coordinators enforce conformity. https://t.co/ODNvl3ITXG
Visual literacy plays an impt role in comics - it's pushes a higher-order thinking process.
A3: hard to say. availability?
Yep, money is biggest issue...have no budget and no support fro admin to find new ways to get money.
A3: Not really a setback but a solution - I use work as an entry point and go from there. Not too expensive either.
A2 1st used not great graphic novel version of Crime & Punishment for an intro to study of lit class. Student responses were great
Did you publish it? Is there a link for the general public?
I've never seen students more engaged than I have with GNs and comics. The only thing that compares is chrome books
true and don't last as long in the hands of teenagers either 😂
That's a great point. I can see this being an issue.
maybe invite some of the creators to skype with your class?
I have a binder in my classroom specifically available that has all sorts of research and info about using them in the classroom...
A3 I find most pushback from admin etc is from people who have never read a graphic novel/comic, and refuse to. Any ideas?
A2cont. really made them think about what a text is, what it means to read. Will be using Miller's 300 in ancient epic this fall.
have not used one but think I have one downloaded on iPad.
A3: I wish, turn it into a comic, wasn't a quick way to wrap up a pitch at scholastic
I run into that too. Sometimes I can pull excerpts that I can use, but often not.
oh God - never thought of that - shakes...
next step is data collection. Admin love data! Ultimate selling point.
A3: Public libraries & school librarians are allies in advocating for , supporting work in classroom, getting copies
A2cont. I love the challenge the pose to college students, who often don't think of comics as intellectual objects. & I love visuals
the problem here, as with tech, is Ts who are unfamiliar with genre, never consumed it themselves
Scan a copy to PDF, then post.
Comics ask students to connect ideas to tell a story. For some kids, it's difficult & requires iteration.
All you can do is keep trying...maybe gauge their interests and find one to match it and sneak it in their mailbox?
Q4 give some SPECIFIC ways/lesson ideas of using them in class or how you would want to in the future https://t.co/mj3cpzosqo
I know some teachers who might be very down for skyping. Let me ask them. I don't have class right now.
Oh, I do. And I'm not giving up. Wrote a book that has a whole section on GN/comics in classroom. https://t.co/DXUEFzdB9M
Using comics taps at the core skills of graphicacy. They're not easier because they pictures; it's the opposite requiring decoding.
Good choice...you may want to check out "Gates of Fire" by Steven Pressfield for another great retelling.
A4 I like the creating a gn idea
Has anyone used Journey Into Mohawk Country? It's an historic journal that was turned into a graphic novel
that's what and I did with a class specifically geared toward educators. They seemed to enjoy it.
A4) Would be cool to include portion of GN in a DBQ along w/ other sources.
I love these books! I found them in my school library-maybe worth checking if school has them!
A4 here's a great (cheap) lesson for day 1! Don't just hand out the textbook - blow their minds https://t.co/a50o2QH69K
A3 at college level I have fewer issues with violence/sexuality but agree that the visual can be more visceral & requires more
A4: Love sharing Smile by ! Talked abt creating autobios, friendship, dealing w/ struggles. Sure to make them love reading!
This interests me. The different literacy toolbox. Not easier. Different.
A4 Use GNs to teach historical thinking skills like sourcing, corroborating, detecting bias, & IDing claims.
Q4 With 'I Kill Giants' use it to discuss personal narratives, expression of emotion dealing with issues that affect teens today...
A3cont discussion of why these are not necessarily just gratuitous and explanation of why reading it is worthwhile
A4: using comic or GN to teach a controversial subject and having Ss use comic strip to create alternative ending
on my list! Want to have Ss compare it to actual diary and see what was changed
A3cont cost is also an issue
With "Addicted to War" I found Ss wanting to learn more so see GN as a launching point for further inquiry
Ken from Western Oregon Univ. just now finally arriving for ! Have to catch up!
Is there a list of Q's I can be directed to?
Good pick. Another title from similar period is "Northwest Passage" by Great visuals + epic story.
It sounds like a tinkering mindset is needed. https://t.co/u3hurhs19p
Comics ask students to connect ideas to tell a story. For some kids, it's difficult & requires iteration.
March/Pride - Socratic Seminar about war/violence/captivity. Andre the Giant - myths and the people who inspire them
LOVE Northwest Passage so hard...
Jumping in to - they're discussing one of my favorite subjects:
Interesting ideas surrounding comics in class-> not my comfort zone, but would allow for Ss that LOVE that genre to take a lead?
Take a look at tweet stream.
A4: Great comic for older ss in current events convos is Influencing Machine. History of media, bias, information sharing
A4 I also bought a class set of this comic - teaches point of view from stormtroopers - they are good guys https://t.co/aCbcHCo58p
is up there too! So great to see creators working with educators/being educators
great lesson to do early in year--lets Ss know they can learn important content in v fun ways https://t.co/Xu3xwgn0uX
Q4 give some SPECIFIC ways/lesson ideas of using them in class or how you would want to in the future https://t.co/mj3cpzosqo
A4 creative writing to create historical fiction, Ms.Marvel to examine religion,
A4 Pick a specific event and Ss create a comic from a specific perspective (pro/con). Need 2 use symbolism to convey the PoV.
I was never able to get a hold of it, so I wasn't able to read it
Q5 let's crowdsource -how can we help you w/using comics in classroom? ask us questions - better together https://t.co/JujePaLnoy
A1 love anything from Joe Sacco for social studies, Maus, March trilogy
If teaching World History would think about bringing in The Invention of Hugo Cabret - not a full GN but engaging
We discuss a great number of comics to explore religion with .
For students to make comics, they need to be able to decode contemporary comics and political cartoons - connect to current events.
A4 Captain America Man Out of Time for character study and general examination of US History.
I would want to use them with the intent to have student learn to create their own. And to bring in different POV
What are some canonical texts that would pair up well with GNS?
A2 great for an alternative source, teaching media literacy, visual literacy, etc.
I am trying to keep up - everyone here is so awesome!
A5 Honestly this was an outstanding first step ! Great resources !
Q4 oops. https://t.co/PJIgwpuD6P
I would want to use them with the intent to have student learn to create their own. And to bring in different POV
A4: Let's do 's challenge w/ ! Ss see us going beyond comfort zone & they will too!
this looks fascinating. Any suggestions for Econ teachers?
A4 I think it's just difficult if you don't have the resources to bring the materials into your room and then use them...
A3 obstacles may be having GN as resources, best practices for using
really useful. I feel like student often learn more that way.
A5 If people have links to free resources (either comics published online or tech for creating comics), I'd love to hear about them
Love graphic novels in Language Arts. Some kids just need more pictures to get them into the story!
A4. Find 3 events in the Harlem Hellfighters and corroborate them with details from your textbook. (Cite p. )
I haven't? Thanks for sharing these! I'll check them out
A4 I work on personal status/public image in ancient world & so much conveyed in visuals. Love comics to demo alt ways of reading
Really? I'd be interested in hearing more. I teach middle school, and know they have their quirks for sure!
Having Ss create comics in small groups allows the artist S to really contribute
A 5th graders interpretation of mummification. It brings together history and humor that they won't forget. https://t.co/eYCzueAGLA
A5 how about a GN challenge for Ss -possibly a common topic, have Ss produce and share their work, collab, discuss online?
A4cont & thinking about how people convey messages beyond words
You could even have them make a similar super hero from any time period, and think about how they would fit in today
Yes! from Nigeria is AWESOME! Going to have my Ss compare our superheroes to theirs!
When you use graphic novels in class, do you get a class set? Or project with a document camera? Or...?
A5 Always looking for book suggestions and lesson ideas to be used at the elementary level.
A5 develop better connections/awareness on part of publishers that we want to use their comics in the classroom
Piggybacking: What POV is the GN told from? Draw x # of scenes from a different POV.
Trump In 'Calvin And Hobbes' Comic Strips Is Frighteningly Accurate An interesting exercise? not to assign! https://t.co/QljHn13xhm
class set, dollar bins, project an image or two, whatever I can do
A4 I co-authored this article on human rights using GN. If link doesn't work I'll try to share another way https://t.co/xspOL5gJkr
Q6 sales force time - why use comics in education/social studies? How do we convince the skeptics? https://t.co/hQGPoW0ly4
Highly recc following & obv for inspiration, ideas & support
I do think Bill Watterson would be so sad about this? But still funny.
A6 great for mult perspectives, author bias, visual * media literacy skills
Might be cool to have them identify a current problem in the world, and create a superhero who could solve that problem.
It would be good to do it, but as soon as you add eval, all the creative passion drains from it. Teacher eval dooms it.
A5: Sometimes starting simple like with a comic from the Sunday paper is the way to light the spark. Then, branch out from there.
and a lot of your students are probably aware of at least comics from Japan
is another way to educate students. It's important to account for differentiated learning. Classic education theory.
A6: Anything to reenforce / enhance literacy
A6: everything is data driven -- using comics to produce results will convince any skeptics
A4: Don't know where how to start? A Parent's Guide to the Best Kids' Comics by & Snow Wildsmith is here to rescue!
Love that idea! To create the hero & his/her powers, they'd really have to understand elements of the problem.
I was never a big fan of comics but now I can relate to Calvin and Hobbes so much more.
A6 Lessons lack power without engagement. Invite admin to see how comics engage and who they engage.
I use comics because I'm fighting low literacy rates in low income area &have to find a way to have Ss take charge of their learning
Let's not forget the importance media literacy in using comics to connect to history - i.e. this election year.
A6 accessible, engaging, thought provoking, universal, a form that students can digest AND produce - so why not use comics?
A6: We are wired for visuals; how do you breathe on a plane? . How do you make a table?
Looking at historic comics can be fun too
I bought the $150 Special Edition of all C&H about 10 years ago. Have loved them for so long. ❤️
A6 I've seen struggling readers (incl but not limited to ELLs and SpEd Ss) genuinely enjoy reading & comprehending graphic novels
Exactly - higher level thinking. Then have them present it. Always fun!
Ask Ss what comics / anime they are reading & see which ones you can bring into your classroom great way to connect w Ss
A5 invite adults in to witness student engagement! Blog about it! https://t.co/fkUXOJNuS9 graphic novel market is only one growing
Shakespeare + Kill Shakespeare GN...Bible + Book of Genesis (R.Crumb)...Beowulf + Kid Beowulf
Make them feel older than they are. Explain that they'd be on the wrong side of Film Studies rise too.
A6: Let's not forget history is written in sequential art; pyramids, cave paintings, tapestries. Bring ancient comics to class!
Q5 Do you ever use TV cartoons with comics? Or is that medium a whole other thing to itself? https://t.co/LWDqh2kg2L
Q5 let's crowdsource -how can we help you w/using comics in classroom? ask us questions - better together https://t.co/JujePaLnoy
Or "superhero smash" (like appsmashing or Voltron) to create an ultimate global problemsolver. ;)
A6 Emphasize that they are not lower level texts. They are just more approacha
Doesn't Trump's basic argument (if one can credibly call it that) appeal to those looking for superheroes? They don't & won't exist.
Couldn't agree more! So glad teachers are on the interwebs & share knowledge
I impress upon them that the GN's/comics are a bridge to other literature that they will come across throughout their lives...
A6cont. Perhaps more effective: accessibility, interest in form on part of students. We feed kids Flinstones vitamins, why not
It depends on how I want to use them. Sometimes, I have small groups with different GNs - like lit circles.
Love this analogy and historical context https://t.co/W68fAHNGbz
A6: Let's not forget history is written in sequential art; pyramids, cave paintings, tapestries. Bring ancient comics to class!
In my young adult lit class, we had to read two graphic novels, and include one in our unit
My kids have really enjoyed scenes from the Lego Bible that our church has used in service.
A6 Emphasize that they are not low level texts. Just more approachable.
Certainly worth it in terms of international comics. Anime/manga, PERSEPOLIS book v. movie.
Doesn't mean you stop reading them when you get older, it just means you read ALL literature for enjoyment/education
Comics and visual literacy are intertwined and reflect on history.
When I do presentations at schools and comic cons - I start with this very idea! Blows minds! https://t.co/G65NTp7NT5
A6: Let's not forget history is written in sequential art; pyramids, cave paintings, tapestries. Bring ancient comics to class!
Love knowing impact Smile makes on readers :) I bet she's going to love Ghosts, out this fall
This is a major theme of 's book UNFLATTENING.
A6cont get them reading & reading SS in a pleasurable form? Just as Lucretius suggests poetry makes philosophy go down more easily
Stained glass windows, stations of the cross, illuminated Bibles, etc.
Maybe that's part of value of comics - to show fantasy vs reality as most superheroes still can't solve all probs?
The more we incorporate comic creation to reflect historical content connections with/by students, the greater the understanding.
Cartoons (old school newspaper strips) make excellent journal prompts now can be found online seeing Calvin & Hobbes reminded me
for Women's History Month! Would love to see a series feature Amelia Earhart, Rosa Parks, and others! https://t.co/OwBrj7AL1R
I will be going through my bazillion notifications tonight - sorry I haven't been able to answer most - fingers tired!
Q6 it sounds like it could lent itself to a Maker activity in conjunction.
Thx to those who have already commented. Pls help me w/ideas on how to use this doc: Gilded Age & today
https://t.co/7MgcrOK0Mx
Another great historical comic from is Two Generals – about Canada and WWII.
Didn't know that, thanks for sharing we will look it up. https://t.co/4EXmm9ceGF
This is a major theme of 's book UNFLATTENING.
Pictures are the universal language! https://t.co/QIlBgoFL4w
When I do presentations at schools and comic cons - I start with this very idea! Blows minds! https://t.co/G65NTp7NT5
A6: Let's not forget history is written in sequential art; pyramids, cave paintings, tapestries. Bring ancient comics to class!
definitely using that as a backbone of a future PD about comics.
gotta mow the lawn while there is still some day light. Thanks !
At least for those of us who are sighted.
Love that! I love juxtoposing historical art, artifacts & modern comics in presentations too! Comics are everywhere!
Has anyone had a chance to explore new Black Panther? I haven't but it's on my todo list. I'm guessing a lot of SS
I also have to say here - my school district is awesome! Give us a lot of leeway to teach through our passions!
and does some work with educators. Great books to boot. Support their books!
That one looks fantastic! ....especially for my Civics kiddos!
I have to run. It was nice to finally get to finally participate (briefly) in a again this summer! Love this topic!
it is dense stuff! Definitely worthy of a whole unit in and of itself!
Reminds me of 's Inquisitor's Tale. Will be novel w/ comics marginalia like medieval text!
I went in to Admin, showed them what I wanted to do and they said 'Ok'...that was it...really fortunate to have that happen
Yes, that's a fabulous thought.
Other history + comics recommendations: 47 Ronin by Stan Sakai & and Pang by
of you do want books about history you should check out my work through & a series about Iran revolution
Sounds like we need to do this again... Thank you everyone! Great to see such comics passion - your students are lucky
Huge thanks to for hosting & everyone who participated tonight. Have several tabs to curate. Archive up in a bit.
Thanks for awesome conversation! Love talking comics! Fabulous questions/moderating, !
TY & for an engaging fast paced chat & a great topic
I'll be at the PCSS conference this Oct in Harrisburg presenting on this topic - maybe I'll see you there!
Thanks for the inspiration & motivation to try something new. I'm going to get one of the books reccomended tonight
Great stuff! Thank you so much!
Since the beginning of time, pictures tell a story. It's still the same, only more complicated by tech.
Thanks Great stuff! Definitely need to do this a few more times to see how the year goes...
Second that Bravo https://t.co/VWY5IdEE0i
Huge thanks to for hosting & everyone who participated tonight. Have several tabs to curate. Archive up in a bit.
