#ATchat Archive
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Wednesday April 27, 2016
8:00 PM EDT
KarenJan
- Moderator
Apr 27 @ 8:00 PM EDT
Even if you haven’t read the book, you will want to learn from what others contribute to the discussion. Stay tuned!
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spedville
Apr 27 @ 8:01 PM EDT
SC Sped T from AR/TN, loved the book can't wait to discuss!
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mmatp
- Moderator
Apr 27 @ 8:01 PM EDT
Hey now! AT Specialist & Co-Mod. Looking forward to the discussion. Please introduce yourself and tell us where you are from.
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KarenJan
- Moderator
Apr 27 @ 8:02 PM EDT
We are happy to have a group of contributors tonight. Thx to
@possbeth
@rziolkowski
&
@eyeonaxs
for the questions
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EGraniero
Apr 27 @ 8:02 PM EDT
Emily student in Simmons AT program from CT
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possbeth
Apr 27 @ 8:02 PM EDT
Glad to be here tonight and excited to talk about how to end the myth of average! Beth from Maryland
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KarenJan
- Moderator
Apr 27 @ 8:03 PM EDT
Looking forward to the chat tonight as we discuss The End of Average.
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mmatp
- Moderator
Apr 27 @ 8:03 PM EDT
In fact, we had so many good questions from the group that we decided to make this a 2 week topic! Conclusion next week
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KarenJan
- Moderator
Apr 27 @ 8:03 PM EDT
We will use the Q1, A1 format today. Don’t forget to include
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hashtag.
wernedat
Apr 27 @ 8:03 PM EDT
Glad to be here tonight too - Elisa from Florida.
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KarenJan
- Moderator
Apr 27 @ 8:03 PM EDT
@EGraniero
@spedville
@possbeth
great to see you all here!
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bcdtech
Apr 27 @ 8:03 PM EDT
Hello from Western Mass. Have not read the book, but interested in hearing more about it.
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mmatp
- Moderator
Apr 27 @ 8:04 PM EDT
The book explores 3 main principles: Jaggedness, Context & Pathways Principle. Tonight’s focus: Jaggedness Principle
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mmatp
- Moderator
Apr 27 @ 8:04 PM EDT
@wernedat
Hi Elisa. glad you are here tonight
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KarenJan
- Moderator
Apr 27 @ 8:04 PM EDT
@wernedat
@bcdtech
Glad you can join us!
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mmatp
- Moderator
Apr 27 @ 8:05 PM EDT
@bcdtech
Hi Maureen. Even without reading the book, I look forward to your participation!
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mmatp
- Moderator
Apr 27 @ 8:05 PM EDT
Jaggedness Prin: Don’t judge ind by single criteria. Quality must consist of multiple dimensions & be weakly related to one another
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eyeonaxs
Apr 27 @ 8:05 PM EDT
Luis from the Atlanta airport (usually at home in St. Pete, FL but on the road tonight).
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mmatp
- Moderator
Apr 27 @ 8:05 PM EDT
@possbeth
Hey Beth - thanks for the great questions. Looking forward to the discussion
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KarenJan
- Moderator
Apr 27 @ 8:05 PM EDT
Our first question about the book is coming right up.
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KarenJan
- Moderator
Apr 27 @ 8:05 PM EDT
@eyeonaxs
Great you can contribute no matter where you are.
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KarenJan
- Moderator
Apr 27 @ 8:06 PM EDT
Q1 from
@rziolkowski
What are the forces that promote the myth of average?
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nlakusta
Apr 27 @ 8:06 PM EDT
Nicole from Stony Plain, Alberta - Curr Ed Tech Facilitator. Will be able to chat for about 20 tonite
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KarenJan
- Moderator
Apr 27 @ 8:07 PM EDT
@nlakusta
Welcome! Good to see you here!
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mmatp
- Moderator
Apr 27 @ 8:07 PM EDT
@eyeonaxs
Glad you made it! Thx for the questions that will guide us next week for the 2nd
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about the book
possbeth
Apr 27 @ 8:07 PM EDT
the principle of jaggedness: humans consist of multiple relevant dimensions & they are not highly correlated--so there is no average
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eyeonaxs
Apr 27 @ 8:08 PM EDT
@KarenJan
@rziolkowski
A1: industrial model of ed. Easier to type learners than personalize, easy way out serves system not Ss.
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mmatp
- Moderator
Apr 27 @ 8:09 PM EDT
Watch The End of Average
@ltoddrose
8 for 8 video:
https://t.co/9LAZnUlNrY
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eyeonaxs
Apr 27 @ 8:09 PM EDT
@possbeth
interesting how average grew along w/ rise of stats. Only place Ive seen avg learner is my stats book.
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wernedat
Apr 27 @ 8:09 PM EDT
A1 Some follow the "one size fits all" model for ease of educators...talent is never one-dimensional for Ts or Ss.
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KarenJan
- Moderator
Apr 27 @ 8:09 PM EDT
A1 - Our grading systems, for all aspects of education, are based on averages. Students don't fit the profile but teachers need it.
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possbeth
Apr 27 @ 8:10 PM EDT
A1 Yes,
@eyeonaxs
we are still adhering to the one sized fits all approach to education and if it doesn't work you are special (ed)
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mmatp
- Moderator
Apr 27 @ 8:10 PM EDT
A1: The book talks about the drive for “sameness” instead of individual. System more important than individual
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eyeonaxs
Apr 27 @ 8:10 PM EDT
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Todd Rose on NPR:
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eyeonaxs
Apr 27 @ 8:10 PM EDT
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Todd Rose on NPR:
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rziolkowski
Apr 27 @ 8:11 PM EDT
@eyeonaxs
@possbeth
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Did anyone's brain want to go back to the average though? I find I use averages a lot.
nlakusta
Apr 27 @ 8:11 PM EDT
This jaggedness is one of the reasons our K-9 report card has no % which I'm 😎 about
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tjoshaughnessy
Apr 27 @ 8:11 PM EDT
A1 financial factors are a massive drive behind the average IM0, it's a fake believe about catering to the masses
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rziolkowski
Apr 27 @ 8:12 PM EDT
@mmatp
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I think this is core. Is this the shift away from Industrial model thinking?
KarenJan
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Apr 27 @ 8:12 PM EDT
@tjoshaughnessy
Wow! Great to have you join in at this late hour from Ireland!
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eyeonaxs
Apr 27 @ 8:12 PM EDT
@rziolkowski
@possbeth
Average is helpful in science but not when dealing w/ people. We are "messy"
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mmatp
- Moderator
Apr 27 @ 8:13 PM EDT
@tjoshaughnessy
Hello Thomas! So glad to have you with us tonight. We know its late. Glad to have you here
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nlakusta
Apr 27 @ 8:13 PM EDT
@rziolkowski
@mmatp
I certainly hope so! Doesn't give a good pic of a Students learner profile
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tjoshaughnessy
Apr 27 @ 8:13 PM EDT
@KarenJan
thanks Karen, eyes are heavy so I may fall asleep on ye
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:)
rziolkowski
Apr 27 @ 8:13 PM EDT
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A1: Forces that drive averages: Control, consistency, Forces that drive jaggedness :Personalization, comfort with uncertainty.
VickiBostonSLP
Apr 27 @ 8:14 PM EDT
A1: a system is easier to manage than a collection of individuals. It's (theoretically) predictable.
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rziolkowski
Apr 27 @ 8:15 PM EDT
@eyeonaxs
@possbeth
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I think the world has become messy. So many assumptions changing!
mmatp
- Moderator
Apr 27 @ 8:15 PM EDT
@nlakusta
@rziolkowski
I hope so too. We all know that systems are hard to change.
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mmatp
- Moderator
Apr 27 @ 8:15 PM EDT
Q2 from
@possbeth
How does the concept of jaggedness impact the idea of a disability based on standardized testing?
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tjoshaughnessy
Apr 27 @ 8:15 PM EDT
@mmatp
no worries Mike, loved the book, sharing it with my colleagues, so relevant to so much we deal with in work
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#EndOfAverage
nlakusta
Apr 27 @ 8:16 PM EDT
A1 see our K-9 report cards n info here
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https://t.co/eC5RseLYYf
eyeonaxs
Apr 27 @ 8:17 PM EDT
@mmatp
@possbeth
A2: if we are all jagged, on a continuum then disabled/able dichotomy loses some of its power.
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iplante
Apr 27 @ 8:17 PM EDT
15 Things the Best Special Educators Do Differently
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@KarenJan
@mmatp
@assistivetek
@possbeth
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wernedat
Apr 27 @ 8:18 PM EDT
A2 I liken jagged to holistic and AT folks are good at looking at the whole Ss's needs - a test score won't reflect that.
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KarenJan
- Moderator
Apr 27 @ 8:18 PM EDT
is it just me or did the term "jaggedness" throw anyone else? Seems like there's a better term.
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KarenJan
- Moderator
Apr 27 @ 8:18 PM EDT
@wernedat
Maybe that's the better term, holistic, or even multidimensional.
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wernedat
Apr 27 @ 8:18 PM EDT
A2 I liken jagged to holistic and AT folks are good at looking at the whole Ss's needs - a test score won't reflect that.
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iplante
Apr 27 @ 8:19 PM EDT
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spedville
Apr 27 @ 8:19 PM EDT
@KarenJan
I liked the term, contrasted for me with the smooth bell curve that we line kids up on and judge them (IQ)by
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eyeonaxs
Apr 27 @ 8:19 PM EDT
@KarenJan
a2: how about variable/showing variability.
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KerriHslp
Apr 27 @ 8:19 PM EDT
A2 Will need more focus on strengths/weaknesses and personalization based on that info
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possbeth
Apr 27 @ 8:19 PM EDT
Q2 part of my work is reading evals of S's newly identified w/disability b/c of standardized test, based on average age of skill
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mmatp
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Apr 27 @ 8:20 PM EDT
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KarenJan
- Moderator
Apr 27 @ 8:20 PM EDT
@iplante
Hi Sharon. We need to catch up - great to have you join us tonight discussing the End of Average.
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mmatp
- Moderator
Apr 27 @ 8:20 PM EDT
@KarenJan
@wernedat
I like multidimensional. Even though jaggedness did resonate w/me.
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_amandaiallen
Apr 27 @ 8:20 PM EDT
A2 I feel the the concept of jaggedness and personalization/individualization would support the testing of those w disabilities
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eyeonaxs
Apr 27 @ 8:21 PM EDT
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the seat on this plane does not fit my jagged profile. No recline
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eyeonaxs
Apr 27 @ 8:21 PM EDT
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the seat on this plane does not fit my jagged profile. No recline
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_amandaiallen
Apr 27 @ 8:21 PM EDT
A2 As teachers we cannot just teach to the test. We must differentiate and understand the needs of each student!
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spedville
Apr 27 @ 8:21 PM EDT
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Apr 27 @ 8:20 PM EDT
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rziolkowski
Apr 27 @ 8:21 PM EDT
@KarenJan
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I like it- no way to visualize and ultimate "perfection" What is "normal" other than to be jagged!
VickiBostonSLP
Apr 27 @ 8:21 PM EDT
A2: jaggedness fits nicely into the social model of disability- it's the environment that needs changing, capitalize on strengths.
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iplante
Apr 27 @ 8:21 PM EDT
Q2 has me thinking in many ways...intent of response not clear...looking for positives or negatives? Or both?
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rziolkowski
Apr 27 @ 8:22 PM EDT
@possbeth
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What data would work for you?
KarenJan
- Moderator
Apr 27 @ 8:22 PM EDT
@eyeonaxs
Yes, UDL focuses on variability not disability.
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iplante
Apr 27 @ 8:22 PM EDT
Average is such a term that seemingly is innocuous but is likely more damaging
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KarenJan
- Moderator
Apr 27 @ 8:23 PM EDT
Q3 from
@rziolkowski
Would you change the SETT process to be more explicit on Jaggedness? If so, how?
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possbeth
Apr 27 @ 8:23 PM EDT
@KarenJan
@wernedat
an image like this helps you understand the use of the term jagged
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https://t.co/LvqmlMXP5R
mmatp
- Moderator
Apr 27 @ 8:23 PM EDT
A2: By looking from a jaggedness perspective-concept of disability goes away. Focus on all abilities/skills
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iplante
Apr 27 @ 8:23 PM EDT
Jaggedness makes me think of irregular shapes and that's my Ss, they don't fit a "standard" but what leaner truly does
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KarenJan
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Apr 27 @ 8:23 PM EDT
@rziolkowski
Reminds me of a movie I saw in the 80s - Jagged Edge, it was a thriller. Prefer variability!
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rziolkowski
Apr 27 @ 8:21 PM EDT
@KarenJan
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I like it- no way to visualize and ultimate "perfection" What is "normal" other than to be jagged!
eyeonaxs
Apr 27 @ 8:23 PM EDT
@iplante
Only slightly better than "normal"
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iplante
Apr 27 @ 8:24 PM EDT
I'm gathering the intent is to embrace the different for truly there is no same
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possbeth
Apr 27 @ 8:24 PM EDT
@rziolkowski
been thinking about this, & know we need developmental markers, but I am liking ranges better, and overall function
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KarenJan
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Apr 27 @ 8:24 PM EDT
@possbeth
@wernedat
Yes, I saw that but it still has a different image for me.
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iplante
Apr 27 @ 8:24 PM EDT
@eyeonaxs
normal so boring.
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iplante
Apr 27 @ 8:25 PM EDT
@rziolkowski
definitely not me and I convey that in my classroom!
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rziolkowski
Apr 27 @ 8:25 PM EDT
@possbeth
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I know this is next week but what if we have data on if...then. Comparing different conditions!
mmatp
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Apr 27 @ 8:26 PM EDT
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eyeonaxs
Apr 27 @ 8:26 PM EDT
@mmatp
not sure it goes away, but it does lose some stigma. Lets make sure we also dont make those w/ disability invisible.
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iplante
Apr 27 @ 8:26 PM EDT
Key is for any learner to embrace that different is destiny and dynamic! Sameness is silly and sorely embraced
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mmatp
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Apr 27 @ 8:27 PM EDT
Good point! Loss of stigma is a better way to say it.
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eyeonaxs
Apr 27 @ 8:26 PM EDT
@mmatp
not sure it goes away, but it does lose some stigma. Lets make sure we also dont make those w/ disability invisible.
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_amandaiallen
Apr 27 @ 8:27 PM EDT
A3 I feel the SETT framework is a very effective and individualized plan that works in compliance with the concept of jaggedness
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possbeth
Apr 27 @ 8:27 PM EDT
@rziolkowski
interesting idea! With young children we now are looking at overall function across domains more than isolated skills
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VickiBostonSLP
Apr 27 @ 8:27 PM EDT
@possbeth
@rziolkowski
I prefer ranges. I keep changing my SLP2b students' diagnostic reports to say ranges- not great, but better.
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mmatp
- Moderator
Apr 27 @ 8:27 PM EDT
A3: Focus on jaggedness fits nicely into the S of SETT. Focus on abilities, skills. Reminds people to focus on positives
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iplante
Apr 27 @ 8:28 PM EDT
@mmatp
@eyeonaxs
definite difference between losing stigma and losing sight of learner
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eyeonaxs
Apr 27 @ 8:29 PM EDT
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my quote for tonight: not everything that counts can be counted!
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ex: passion, love of learning, kindness.
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eyeonaxs
Apr 27 @ 8:29 PM EDT
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my quote for tonight: not everything that counts can be counted!
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ex: passion, love of learning, kindness.
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eyeonaxs
Apr 27 @ 8:29 PM EDT
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my quote for tonight: not everything that counts can be counted!
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ex: passion, love of learning, kindness.
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KarenJan
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Apr 27 @ 8:29 PM EDT
@mmatp
Yes, I agree. S in SETT recognizes the uniqueness and variability of each student.
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mmatp
- Moderator
Apr 27 @ 8:27 PM EDT
A3: Focus on jaggedness fits nicely into the S of SETT. Focus on abilities, skills. Reminds people to focus on positives
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kindysegovia
Apr 27 @ 8:29 PM EDT
I agree! It's all in using the SETT to embrace jaggedness
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_amandaiallen
Apr 27 @ 8:27 PM EDT
A3 I feel the SETT framework is a very effective and individualized plan that works in compliance with the concept of jaggedness
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possbeth
Apr 27 @ 8:29 PM EDT
@eyeonaxs
still have to ensure all have ability 2 function successfully--disability decreases function but norms don't show function
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wernedat
Apr 27 @ 8:29 PM EDT
A2? how do we deal with eligibility by normed scores versus jagged for intervention/educational approach?
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mmatp
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Apr 27 @ 8:31 PM EDT
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eyeonaxs
Apr 27 @ 8:31 PM EDT
@wernedat
or funding!
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kindysegovia
Apr 27 @ 8:32 PM EDT
And our state and district assessments don't take jaggedness into account
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wernedat
Apr 27 @ 8:29 PM EDT
A2? how do we deal with eligibility by normed scores versus jagged for intervention/educational approach?
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iplante
Apr 27 @ 8:32 PM EDT
Have you check out
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mmatp
- Moderator
Apr 27 @ 8:33 PM EDT
Q4 from
@rziolkowski
For Jaggedness we have to abandon industrial society model of ed. What common practices need to be abandoned?
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KarenJan
- Moderator
Apr 27 @ 8:33 PM EDT
The jagged principle levels the playing field. Would special education exist? Would all students get IEPs?
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wernedat
Apr 27 @ 8:29 PM EDT
A2? how do we deal with eligibility by normed scores versus jagged for intervention/educational approach?
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wernedat
Apr 27 @ 8:34 PM EDT
@KarenJan
exactly my pondering... if we do what's right by Ss and apply the jagged principle...hmmm...
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KarenJan
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Apr 27 @ 8:34 PM EDT
A4 - Means we abandon the concept of general and special education as distinct entities.
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mmatp
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Apr 27 @ 8:33 PM EDT
Q4 from
@rziolkowski
For Jaggedness we have to abandon industrial society model of ed. What common practices need to be abandoned?
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spedville
Apr 27 @ 8:34 PM EDT
Q4 the excessive standardized testing to make room for self pacing and competencies
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iplante
Apr 27 @ 8:34 PM EDT
A4: the me the essence of it all goes back to best
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practices of approaching from the learner perspective not the content
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spedville
Apr 27 @ 8:35 PM EDT
A4 the excessive standardized testing to make room for self pacing and competencies
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kindysegovia
Apr 27 @ 8:35 PM EDT
A4: changing the school environment - square classrooms, lined up down hallways, teacher in front, uniform seating
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possbeth
Apr 27 @ 8:35 PM EDT
@KarenJan
I think there would still be IEPs and special ed. Just less of it--if the world was UDL, we wouldn't id so many students
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MrsMurat
Apr 27 @ 8:35 PM EDT
@mmatp
@iplante
@rziolkowski
a4: 7:45-3:00 schedule, desks, teaching in isolation, lack of collaboration and grades.
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iplante
Apr 27 @ 8:36 PM EDT
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Tools, teaching and technology cannot be used to make the learner fit, true
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KerriHslp
Apr 27 @ 8:36 PM EDT
@KarenJan
Personalized learning/blended learning = individualized learning opportunities
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eyeonaxs
Apr 27 @ 8:37 PM EDT
A4:
@mmatp
@rziolkowski
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grouping by age, seat time, classroom setup, so many 2 choose from.
possbeth
Apr 27 @ 8:37 PM EDT
@KarenJan
Yes--more of a continuum of resources and strategies needed. Blur the lines more-kind of like we are all on the spectrum
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spedville
Apr 27 @ 8:37 PM EDT
A4 re: self pacing, our Ss need more instruction/assistance learning how TO learn & how THEY learn
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kindysegovia
Apr 27 @ 8:37 PM EDT
A4: teacher only teaches what he/she knows in the way he/she understands
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KarenJan
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Apr 27 @ 8:37 PM EDT
@possbeth
Reframes the education paradigm.
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possbeth
Apr 27 @ 8:35 PM EDT
@KarenJan
I think there would still be IEPs and special ed. Just less of it--if the world was UDL, we wouldn't id so many students
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mmatp
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Apr 27 @ 8:38 PM EDT
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mmatp
- Moderator
Apr 27 @ 8:38 PM EDT
A4: Abandon the 1 size fits all. As we know, 1 size fits 1! Focus on UDL and flexibility
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KerriHslp
Apr 27 @ 8:38 PM EDT
@KarenJan
Or make it more fluid
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eyeonaxs
Apr 27 @ 8:38 PM EDT
@KarenJan
@mmatp
@rziolkowski
or education, just call it learning.
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iplante
Apr 27 @ 8:38 PM EDT
#assisitvetech
is a slippery slope to be tied to meeting learner needs vs learning needs Should be the former first
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spedville
Apr 27 @ 8:38 PM EDT
@mmatp
or like the cockpit, 1 size fits NONE!
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mmatp
- Moderator
Apr 27 @ 8:39 PM EDT
Q5 coming up and it is a 2 part question from
@possbeth
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wernedat
Apr 27 @ 8:39 PM EDT
@KarenJan
@possbeth
which would be awesome BUT...how can we implement the jagged view in the current paradigm? in AT consideration?
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eyeonaxs
Apr 27 @ 8:39 PM EDT
@kindysegovia
right? Where is that factory we r preparing them for?
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mmatp
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Apr 27 @ 8:39 PM EDT
Exactly!
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spedville
Apr 27 @ 8:38 PM EDT
@mmatp
or like the cockpit, 1 size fits NONE!
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megi_mulosmani
Apr 27 @ 8:39 PM EDT
A4: We need to abandon generalizations and teaching to the test. We must get rid of teaching a superficial understanding of concepts
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VickiBostonSLP
Apr 27 @ 8:39 PM EDT
@spedville
yes! I've had grad students who still don't seem to have a handle on how they learn best.
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mmatp
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Apr 27 @ 8:40 PM EDT
@eyeonaxs
@kindysegovia
yes - those factory jobs are gone. We are prepping kids for jobs that might not exist yet
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EGraniero
Apr 27 @ 8:40 PM EDT
@spedville
this will then allow them to accept themselves for who they are instead of looking at what hey can't do.
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KarenJan
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Apr 27 @ 8:40 PM EDT
Q5A: How does the author’s experience with preparing for the GRE align with the principles of UDL & the concept of a Growth Mindset?
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kindysegovia
Apr 27 @ 8:40 PM EDT
A4: Teaching/training educators how to use AT tools w/o explicitly showing them how to teach Ss to use tools
@schaafsmap
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eyeonaxs
Apr 27 @ 8:40 PM EDT
@spedville
A4: developing learning expertise is goal of UDL.
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eyeonaxs
Apr 27 @ 8:41 PM EDT
@spedville
@mmatp
design for the avg, you design 4 no one.
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iplante
Apr 27 @ 8:42 PM EDT
If all educators developed lessons from the perspective of the "neediest learner" think how many Ss would be engaged!
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mmatp
- Moderator
Apr 27 @ 8:42 PM EDT
A5A: Author focused on learning strategies that were aligned to his learning style. Great examples of UDL
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iplante
Apr 27 @ 8:43 PM EDT
Debunking Myths and Demystifying the Meaning of Universal Design in Special Education
https://t.co/BAGNGThs37
via
@bamradionetwork
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rtopp
Apr 27 @ 8:44 PM EDT
So true RT
@mmatp
: A1: The book talks about the drive for “sameness” instead of individual. System more important than individual
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eyeonaxs
Apr 27 @ 8:44 PM EDT
@mmatp
a5a: he also understood impact of environment, and his if-then signatures.
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EGraniero
Apr 27 @ 8:44 PM EDT
A5a:
@KarenJan
there isn't one way to solve a problem. tutors way didnt work dad suggest doing it visually and he was succesful
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KarenJan
- Moderator
Apr 27 @ 8:44 PM EDT
AT consideration is all abt the individual.We never accept 1 size fits all. Is that what's so great abt AT?
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wernedat
Apr 27 @ 8:39 PM EDT
@KarenJan
@possbeth
which would be awesome BUT...how can we implement the jagged view in the current paradigm? in AT consideration?
#atchat
VickiBostonSLP
Apr 27 @ 8:46 PM EDT
@wernedat
maybe by always presenting strengths- may lie in arts/social domains & by considering if/then- context of best performance
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kindysegovia
Apr 27 @ 8:46 PM EDT
Powerful when combined with high expectations for students ability to problem solve
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iplante
Apr 27 @ 8:42 PM EDT
If all educators developed lessons from the perspective of the "neediest learner" think how many Ss would be engaged!
#atchat
iplante
Apr 27 @ 8:48 PM EDT
#atchat
@kindysegovia
I have great thinkers who don't know how to produce! So impactful to teach that skill
possbeth
Apr 27 @ 8:49 PM EDT
A5 UDL is about considering the barriers and potential solutions. Growth mindset says failure doesn't stop us from trying
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mmatp
- Moderator
Apr 27 @ 8:50 PM EDT
Q5B: How does this align with how you work with students? With educators?
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VickiBostonSLP
Apr 27 @ 8:50 PM EDT
A5: if you're convinced you're not an "analytical" thinker, may not look to figure out a way that works for you to solve problems.
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mmatp
- Moderator
Apr 27 @ 8:51 PM EDT
11 Ways Finland's Education System Shows Us That Less is More.
https://t.co/uiCtHVmaMy
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eyeonaxs
Apr 27 @ 8:51 PM EDT
@possbeth
A5: my one issue with growth mindset. It makes it all about student. How about environment, its impact, structural issues
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KarenJan
- Moderator
Apr 27 @ 8:52 PM EDT
@eyeonaxs
Agree but we still need to promote independence not passive learning.
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eyeonaxs
Apr 27 @ 8:51 PM EDT
@possbeth
A5: my one issue with growth mindset. It makes it all about student. How about environment, its impact, structural issues
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KarenJan
- Moderator
Apr 27 @ 8:53 PM EDT
Let your voice be heard. Submit ? for May & pick
#Atchat
book for June
https://t.co/GZZSlCP6Y4
eyeonaxs
Apr 27 @ 8:53 PM EDT
#ATchat
@possbeth
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possbeth
Apr 27 @ 8:54 PM EDT
A5B I constantly model that a 1 size does NOT fit all approach to PD. Lots of choice and varied input
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KerriHslp
Apr 27 @ 8:54 PM EDT
A5b If S hasn't succeeded YET we have not found right method of teaching or support
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eyeonaxs
Apr 27 @ 8:56 PM EDT
#ATchat
"If I have a growth mindset these stairs are going to become a ramp." So sarcastic tonite. Must be the flying.
mmatp
- Moderator
Apr 27 @ 8:57 PM EDT
Did you miss something tonight? Don’t worry-we will post the Storify from tonight’s
#ATchat
tomorrow morning
KarenJan
- Moderator
Apr 27 @ 8:57 PM EDT
What's the consensus? What is everything thinking about continuing book talks during
#ATchat
? We can do this once a month or bimonthly.
mmatp
- Moderator
Apr 27 @ 8:58 PM EDT
Make sure to follow everyone from today’s
#atchat
Let’s continue to learn and share!
possbeth
Apr 27 @ 8:58 PM EDT
@KarenJan
@eyeonaxs
and the belief that all students can succeed if provided with the right tools and opportunities.
#atchat
possbeth
Apr 27 @ 8:59 PM EDT
@eyeonaxs
growth mindset is not magic, for sure! But I encounter fixed mindsets in teachers everyday. Makes me sad.
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spedville
Apr 27 @ 8:59 PM EDT
@KarenJan
love it! made me make time to read during this crazy end of school year race.
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#monthly