#COLchat Archive
Monday 9-10 p.m. EST. Building a Culture of Learning. "We invite all educators, parents, students and any member of a school community to join our mission of moving away from compliance to create and foster a true COL."
Monday November 7, 2016
9:00 PM EST
MicheleCorbat
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:00 PM EST
Welcome to
#COLchat
! We're excited to have
@kenoc7
join as our guest to discuss grading practices that will build a culture of learning.
In reply to @kenoc7
RodneyHetherton
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:00 PM EST
Welcome to
#colchat
We are so excited to have
@kenoc7
w/ us to discuss healthy learning & grading practices. Please introduce yourself!
In reply to @kenoc7
OaklandSchools
Nov 7 @ 9:00 PM EST
ARTS teachers! Jan 14 is
#edcampOS
in Oakland County! via
@mwmedvinsky
#miched
#colchat
#sblchat
#ArtsED
#FineArts
In reply to @mwmedvinsky
RodneyHetherton
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:01 PM EST
Rodney Hetherton
#COLchat
co-mod C & I
@swartz_creek
MI
In reply to @swartz_creek
MicheleCorbat
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:01 PM EST
Our questions tonight will be tweeted by
@kenoc7
. Don't worry if you miss 1. Look for RTs by
@aj_hartley1
,
@RodneyHetherton
and me.
#COLchat
In reply to @kenoc7, @aj_hartley1, @RodneyHetherton
RyanXristopher
Nov 7 @ 9:01 PM EST
#COLchat
- Ryan Hicks, from the
#SwartzCreek
community, listening and learning. :)
rggillespie
Nov 7 @ 9:01 PM EST
Reed, HS AP from Charlottesville, VA.
#colchat
Meffscience
Nov 7 @ 9:01 PM EST
I'm baaaackkk!!!! Been wayy too long since I have been on here. Ready to go
#colchat
kenoc7
Nov 7 @ 9:01 PM EST
Ken O’Connor, consultant/author/former HS teacher, home in Toronto. Heading for IA tomorrow. Happy to be “hosting”
#COLChat
MicheleCorbat
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:01 PM EST
Welcome, Ryan! Looking forward to your wisdom.
#COLchat
RyanXristopher
Nov 7 @ 9:01 PM EST
#COLchat
- Ryan Hicks, from the
#SwartzCreek
community, listening and learning. :)
KevinKlaeren
Nov 7 @ 9:01 PM EST
Principal - Swartz Creek Middle School - Ready to go for SBG discussion with
#COLchat
crew
Aricfoster2
Nov 7 @ 9:01 PM EST
Aric from Armada, MI. Big
@kenoc7
and
#sblchat
fan
#colchat
In reply to @kenoc7
MicheleCorbat
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:01 PM EST
Honored to have an SBG guru with us!
#COLchat
kenoc7
Nov 7 @ 9:01 PM EST
Ken O’Connor, consultant/author/former HS teacher, home in Toronto. Heading for IA tomorrow. Happy to be “hosting”
#COLChat
MicheleCorbat
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:02 PM EST
And we are an
#AricFan
!
#COLchat
Aricfoster2
Nov 7 @ 9:01 PM EST
Aric from Armada, MI. Big
@kenoc7
and
#sblchat
fan
#colchat
In reply to @kenoc7
Meffscience
Nov 7 @ 9:02 PM EST
Steve, Curriculum facilitator from Urbandale, Iowa. Been a long week, so I need some inspiration
#colchat
TamraDollar
Nov 7 @ 9:02 PM EST
Hi everyone! I'm a doctoral student & adjunct instructor
@TWUreadingdept
#COLchat
In reply to @TWUreadingdept
MicheleCorbat
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:02 PM EST
Thanks for joining!!
#COLchat
KevinKlaeren
Nov 7 @ 9:01 PM EST
Principal - Swartz Creek Middle School - Ready to go for SBG discussion with
#COLchat
crew
aj_hartley1
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:02 PM EST
Welcome to
#COLchat
This is Adam from
@FentonSchools
ready to talk with
@kenoc7
and the
#COLchat
crew!
In reply to @FentonSchools, @kenoc7
CindyWarber
Nov 7 @ 9:02 PM EST
Cindy, science teacher at Swartz Creek HS, joining in
#COLchat
Jim_Kitchen
Nov 7 @ 9:03 PM EST
@Jim_Kitchen
from Swartz Creek!
#colchat
In reply to @Jim_Kitchen
hhschiaravalli
Nov 7 @ 9:03 PM EST
Arthur Chiaravalli, ELA 12 and
#APLit
teacher from Haslett, Michigan! Psyched for a
#colchat
featuring
@kenoc7
!
In reply to @kenoc7
MicheleCorbat
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:03 PM EST
Long time no see! Hope you are well. Thanks for joining
#COLchat
In reply to @CindyWarber
NoNameRetweeter
Nov 7 @ 9:03 PM EST
Jim_Kitchen : Jim_Kitchen from Swartz Creek!
#colchat
(via Twitter
https://t.co/R1OIfkBLb7
)
Jim_Kitchen
Nov 7 @ 9:03 PM EST
@Jim_Kitchen
from Swartz Creek!
#colchat
In reply to @Jim_Kitchen
conniehamilton
Nov 7 @ 9:03 PM EST
Hi I'm Connie Hamilton, Curriculum Director in Saranac, MI and co-author of NEW book Hacking Homework
#COLchat
WaltKozlowski
Nov 7 @ 9:03 PM EST
Walt, MS Principal in Macomb County, MI - checking in for
#COLchat
.
MicheleCorbat
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:03 PM EST
A long week? It's only Monday.
#COLchat
will help!
In reply to @Meffscience
Jim_Kitchen
Nov 7 @ 9:04 PM EST
Kevin in the house!
#colchat
KevinKlaeren
Nov 7 @ 9:01 PM EST
Principal - Swartz Creek Middle School - Ready to go for SBG discussion with
#COLchat
crew
freiterh
Nov 7 @ 9:04 PM EST
Harold, principal from a very balmy north of the border
#COLchat
MichelleTelliga
Nov 7 @ 9:04 PM EST
#COLchat
joining colchat from DC tonight
JoyKirr
Nov 7 @ 9:04 PM EST
Joining
#COLchat
tonight - had to be here to hear from
@kenoc7
! I used his research to change my grading!
https://t.co/Cs0bXKitQp
MicheleCorbat
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:04 PM EST
Looking forward to having
@conniehamilton
and
@mssackstein
as
#COLchat
guests in a few weeks!
In reply to @conniehamilton, @mssackstein
conniehamilton
Nov 7 @ 9:03 PM EST
Hi I'm Connie Hamilton, Curriculum Director in Saranac, MI and co-author of NEW book Hacking Homework
#COLchat
kenoc7
Nov 7 @ 9:04 PM EST
and a good book it is!
#COLchat
In reply to @conniehamilton
Meffscience
Nov 7 @ 9:04 PM EST
I know it will.
#colchat
In reply to @MicheleCorbat
RodneyHetherton
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:05 PM EST
Our
#COLchat
questions:
CraigPfenninger
Nov 7 @ 9:05 PM EST
Craig Pfenninger, principal of Bangor West trying to create some time for
#colchat
sandycook29
Nov 7 @ 9:05 PM EST
Sandy, Differentiated Instruction Specialist from THE Swartz Creek... COLchat and MNF tonight ;-)
#colchat
aj_hartley1
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:05 PM EST
Welcome to
#COLchat
CraigPfenninger
Nov 7 @ 9:05 PM EST
Craig Pfenninger, principal of Bangor West trying to create some time for
#colchat
RodneyHetherton
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:06 PM EST
The book that started so many great conversations:
https://t.co/f4ztuaBMCw
A Repair Kit for Grading
@kenoc7
#COLchat
In reply to @kenoc7
MicheleCorbat
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:06 PM EST
The first of 7 questions is coming up in one minute!
#COLchat
DRich0696
Nov 7 @ 9:06 PM EST
Dave in Iowa joining late - great to see
@Meffscience
back in the
#COLchat
groove
In reply to @Meffscience
BradLatzke
Nov 7 @ 9:06 PM EST
Brad in Bangkok joining
#colchat
. Encouraging all voting age Americans to exercise their right and responsibility on Tuesday.
kenoc7
Nov 7 @ 9:06 PM EST
I’m focussing on
#COLchat
tonight. How are my Bills doing?
In reply to @sandycook29
conniehamilton
Nov 7 @ 9:06 PM EST
My goodness,
#COLchat
is full of Michiganders. Go green!
RKT_HOPE
Nov 7 @ 9:06 PM EST
Hello this is RKT - An honor to be here on
#colchat
MicheleCorbat
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:06 PM EST
Get into the groove....
#Madonna
#COLchat
In reply to @DRich0696, @Meffscience
SFMSBen
Nov 7 @ 9:06 PM EST
Ben, AP
@SouthForsythMS
in Forsyth County, GA
#colchat
In reply to @SouthForsythMS
Meffscience
Nov 7 @ 9:06 PM EST
Been wayy too long. It will be nice to get a break from the election and our week's news here.
#colchat
DRich0696
Nov 7 @ 9:06 PM EST
Dave in Iowa joining late - great to see
@Meffscience
back in the
#COLchat
groove
In reply to @Meffscience
quickmuse
Nov 7 @ 9:06 PM EST
Hi, I'm Ken G.: inevitable student, occasional teacher, constant Bostonian. Cheers,
#COLchat
!
aj_hartley1
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:06 PM EST
Welcome to
#COLchat
In reply to @quickmuse
kenoc7
Nov 7 @ 9:07 PM EST
Q1 What is the purpose of grading?
#COLchat
aj_hartley1
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:07 PM EST
Welcome to
#COLchat
In reply to @SFMSBen, @SouthForsythMS
MicheleCorbat
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:07 PM EST
Welcome, Ben!
#COLchat
In reply to @SFMSBen, @SouthForsythMS
aj_hartley1
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:07 PM EST
Welcome to
#COLchat
In reply to @RKT_HOPE
SCMSDragons
Nov 7 @ 9:07 PM EST
A1 - Communicate progress of academic learning
#COLchat
aj_hartley1
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:07 PM EST
Welcome to
#COLchat
In reply to @CraigPfenninger
DRich0696
Nov 7 @ 9:07 PM EST
A1: grading should = communication
#COLchat
quickmuse
Nov 7 @ 9:07 PM EST
Hi,
@MicheleCorbat
What's
#colchat
about tonight?
In reply to @MicheleCorbat
WaltKozlowski
Nov 7 @ 9:07 PM EST
A1: Communication.
#COLchat
RodneyHetherton
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:08 PM EST
RT
@kenoc7
Q1 What is the purpose of grading?
#COLchat
In reply to @kenoc7
MicheleCorbat
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:08 PM EST
A1 Purpose of grading: Feedback for improved performance.
#COLchat
aj_hartley1
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:08 PM EST
A1: Depends on who you talk to-The real purpose should be to reflect what a S knows and help guide the road to success.
#COLchat
JoyKirr
Nov 7 @ 9:08 PM EST
The purpose of grading to to communicate student achievement.
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SupfromYup
Nov 7 @ 9:08 PM EST
Here to hear great things tonight.
#colchat
WriteOnJulie
Nov 7 @ 9:08 PM EST
Hi
#COLchat
Julie here from FL,
#EdTech
consulting co
@technologyWIN
In reply to @technologyWIN
MicheleCorbat
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:08 PM EST
Standards Based Grading
#COLchat
In reply to @quickmuse
rggillespie
Nov 7 @ 9:08 PM EST
A1: Grading should provide commentary on student progression towards learning goals
#colchat
quickmuse
Nov 7 @ 9:08 PM EST
Thanks, Adam.
#colchat
In reply to @aj_hartley1
RyanXristopher
Nov 7 @ 9:08 PM EST
A1: Highlighting where improvement can occur in the space between questions and answers.
#COLchat
In reply to @kenoc7
kenoc7
Nov 7 @ 9:08 PM EST
Should grades communicate progress or achievement? They are related but not the same.
#COLchat
In reply to @SCMSDragons
JoyKirr
Nov 7 @ 9:08 PM EST
The purpose of grading is to communicate student achievement.
#colchat
Meffscience
Nov 7 @ 9:08 PM EST
A1: SHOULD = Communication on progress toward standards Currently is a way to sort students.
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Aricfoster2
Nov 7 @ 9:08 PM EST
A1: to communicate learning. NOT get on honor roll nor compare to other kids nor show work habits
#colchat
daveschmittou
Nov 7 @ 9:08 PM EST
Checking in from one swing state with so many of my friends in another. Let's chat it up and tune out the news.
#COLchat
MichelleTelliga
Nov 7 @ 9:08 PM EST
#colchat
purpose of grading is feedback in its purest form - Ss use feedback to improve and know what target is & when it is met
conniehamilton
Nov 7 @ 9:09 PM EST
A1: What is the purpose of grading? That's a trick question. I pick D: None of the above.
#COLchat
MicheleCorbat
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:09 PM EST
Q1 What is the purpose of grading?
#COLchat
RodneyHetherton
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:09 PM EST
A1 The purpose of grading is to communicate the mastery of learning targets to students (and parents).
#COLchat
sandycook29
Nov 7 @ 9:09 PM EST
Seahawks 7 Bills 14... Seattle is in red zone
#colchat
In reply to @kenoc7
quickmuse
Nov 7 @ 9:09 PM EST
Got it.
#colchat
I suspect this will be a standards-based chat!
In reply to @MicheleCorbat
daveschmittou
Nov 7 @ 9:09 PM EST
A1)
@rickwormeli2
says it best- grades are communication not compensation
#COLchat
In reply to @rickwormeli2
Bobgoblue05
Nov 7 @ 9:09 PM EST
Hello, Bob Hetherton, Director of Student Support Services, Carman-Ainsworth, joining a little late
#colchat
conniehamilton
Nov 7 @ 9:09 PM EST
Thanks for taking the time to read
#HackingHomework
, Ken O'Connor.
#colchat
@mssackstein
In reply to @mssackstein
kenoc7
Nov 7 @ 9:04 PM EST
and a good book it is!
#COLchat
In reply to @conniehamilton
freiterh
Nov 7 @ 9:09 PM EST
A1 to give feedback (not necessarily summative) to a demonstration of student learning
#COLchat
MicheleCorbat
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:09 PM EST
YES! THIS!
#COLchat
daveschmittou
Nov 7 @ 9:09 PM EST
A1)
@rickwormeli2
says it best- grades are communication not compensation
#COLchat
In reply to @rickwormeli2
envirojer
Nov 7 @ 9:10 PM EST
Hi all. Jeremey in MI , HS AP env sci and biology. Grading? Good point.
#COLchat
kenoc7
Nov 7 @ 9:10 PM EST
A1 For me grading is only determining standards or subject summary symbols on report cards so purpose is communicating achievement.
#COLchat
SupfromYup
Nov 7 @ 9:10 PM EST
A1) grading should be purposeful for all involved. Assist the parents in understanding progress.
#colchat
BMaloneyElon
Nov 7 @ 9:10 PM EST
A1 Good grading attempts to provide a near objective label for a students achievement/effort in a class
#colchat
#ElonEd
AssignmentHelpN
Nov 7 @ 9:10 PM EST
Top 10 Halloween Classroom Parties Snack Ideas
https://t.co/OadBuvYIx0
#coascd
#colchat
#eduality
#EdVoice
#ellchat
#iechat
#kinderchat
massignmenthelp
Nov 7 @ 9:10 PM EST
4 Interesting Facts about K-12 Education
https://t.co/opLHhYEyzC
#coascd
#colchat
#eduality
#EdVoice
#ellchat
#iechat
#kinderchat
wadewhitehead
Nov 7 @ 9:10 PM EST
A1: Grades provide a checkpoint. They’re simply a student’s academic blood pressure, height, weight, and temperature.
#COLchat
hhschiaravalli
Nov 7 @ 9:10 PM EST
A1: To purpose of grading is to communicate--in a highly simplified way--current level of achievement vis-à-vis learning goals
#colchat
MicheleCorbat
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:10 PM EST
Welcome! And did you get a new job?
#COLchat
In reply to @Bobgoblue05
Aricfoster2
Nov 7 @ 9:10 PM EST
Quality infographic about feedback from
@MichelleTelliga
#colchat
In reply to @MichelleTelliga
MichelleTelliga
Nov 7 @ 9:08 PM EST
#colchat
purpose of grading is feedback in its purest form - Ss use feedback to improve and know what target is & when it is met
RodneyHetherton
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:10 PM EST
2 more
@swartz_creek
principals in the house!
#COLchat
In reply to @swartz_creek
Jim_Kitchen
Nov 7 @ 9:04 PM EST
Kevin in the house!
#colchat
KevinKlaeren
Nov 7 @ 9:01 PM EST
Principal - Swartz Creek Middle School - Ready to go for SBG discussion with
#COLchat
crew
conniehamilton
Nov 7 @ 9:10 PM EST
Ginormous understatement.
#colchat
In reply to @RodneyHetherton, @kenoc7, @amazonbooks
CraigPfenninger
Nov 7 @ 9:11 PM EST
A1 purpose of grading is to better understand student thinking so feedback can be beneficial
#colchat
TamraDollar
Nov 7 @ 9:11 PM EST
A1 Grades measure what learning has occurred and where growth is needed. They should never be punitive
#COLchat
kenoc7
Nov 7 @ 9:11 PM EST
A1 Problem with many responses here IMO is that they are about marks or scores = different purpose = why need to distinguish.
#COLchat
BradLatzke
Nov 7 @ 9:11 PM EST
A1 Maybe being picky here but grading is a verb. A grade is a noun.
#colchat
Jim_Kitchen
Nov 7 @ 9:11 PM EST
A1 reports progress to the learner
#colchat
JoyKirr
Nov 7 @ 9:12 PM EST
Progress? Or achievement? I'm going with achievement.
#colchat
In reply to @Jim_Kitchen
RodneyHetherton
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:13 PM EST
The growth continuum?
#COLchat
In reply to @JoyKirr, @Jim_Kitchen
envirojer
Nov 7 @ 9:13 PM EST
What type of ss thinking via teacher grades? Curious.
#colchat
In reply to @CraigPfenninger
MicheleCorbat
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:13 PM EST
Random question: Agree or Disagree- Grades are feedback to a student on his/her learning. Why?
#COLchat
WriteOnJulie
Nov 7 @ 9:13 PM EST
Yes, Mondays are crazy fun! 8pm
#edtechchat
9pm
#colchat
#teacheredchat
#tlap
10pm
#edtechafterdark
In reply to @MrsLindaMarie
JoyKirr
Nov 7 @ 9:13 PM EST
I'd love to see an actual PROGRESS report in schools. ;)
#colchat
In reply to @RodneyHetherton, @Jim_Kitchen
kenoc7
Nov 7 @ 9:13 PM EST
A1 I disagree-all human judgment is subjective,so assessment, scoring, & grading are subjective. No apologies needed.
#COLchat
In reply to @BMaloneyElon
kenoc7
Nov 7 @ 9:14 PM EST
Q2 What are the key differences between a 'grading culture' and a 'learning culture'?
#COLchat
Meffscience
Nov 7 @ 9:14 PM EST
Diasgree--a grade is a symbol. feedback is feedback : )
#colchat
MicheleCorbat
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:13 PM EST
Random question: Agree or Disagree- Grades are feedback to a student on his/her learning. Why?
#COLchat
SupfromYup
Nov 7 @ 9:14 PM EST
A1) grading shows progress to ALL. Parents, students, teachers and administrators for students success.
#colchat
RodneyHetherton
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:14 PM EST
GP
#COLchat
JoyKirr
Nov 7 @ 9:13 PM EST
I'd love to see an actual PROGRESS report in schools. ;)
#colchat
In reply to @RodneyHetherton, @Jim_Kitchen
daveschmittou
Nov 7 @ 9:14 PM EST
A1) learning is never binary. A lightbulb never comes on.Learning is a process. Grades should reflect that.Not a yes/no proposition
#COLchat
BMaloneyElon
Nov 7 @ 9:14 PM EST
I believe both if the teacher's assessment is doing its job
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#ElonEd
In reply to @JoyKirr, @Jim_Kitchen
DRich0696
Nov 7 @ 9:14 PM EST
If paired with a rubric it is information, but not really feedback. Feedback should provide growth info
#COLchat
In reply to @MicheleCorbat
kenoc7
Nov 7 @ 9:14 PM EST
Please participate in the chat and not make random tweets.
#COLchat
massignmenthelp
Nov 7 @ 9:10 PM EST
4 Interesting Facts about K-12 Education
https://t.co/opLHhYEyzC
#coascd
#colchat
#eduality
#EdVoice
#ellchat
#iechat
#kinderchat
WaltKozlowski
Nov 7 @ 9:14 PM EST
A2: Learning culture focuses on attainment of knowledge & skills. Grading culture is about collecting points & ranking.
#COLchat
KevinKlaeren
Nov 7 @ 9:15 PM EST
A1 - Grading C. focus is placed on capturing points/marks to derive grades (historical) while learning culture inspires growth
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aj_hartley1
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:15 PM EST
A2: The difference many times lies with the Ss. What are they working for? A letter or true learning? Ask the Ss and you will know!
#COLchat
MicheleCorbat
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:15 PM EST
A2 Part 1: Grading culture=chasing points, jumping through hoops, doing for 'doings' sake
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MicheleCorbat
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:15 PM EST
A2 Part 2: Learning culture=Ss assume responsibility for high quality by initiating improvements, making revisions
#COLchat
RodneyHetherton
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:15 PM EST
RT
@kenoc7
Q2 What are the key differences between a 'grading culture' and a 'learning culture'?
#COLchat
In reply to @kenoc7
scottcox55
Nov 7 @ 9:15 PM EST
A1: communicate for sure. I think grading should be called "redirection". That's how I use it. Redirecting Ss 2 what truly matters
#COLchat
conniehamilton
Nov 7 @ 9:15 PM EST
💯 percent A+
#colchat
JoyKirr
Nov 7 @ 9:12 PM EST
Progress? Or achievement? I'm going with achievement.
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In reply to @Jim_Kitchen
JoyKirr
Nov 7 @ 9:15 PM EST
A2: I'm going for NO marks this year. So our culture is one for LEARNING (feedback only), and not grading.
#colchat
MichelleTelliga
Nov 7 @ 9:15 PM EST
#colchat
depends on what we mean by "grades" - feedback can be in many forms - a score or grade is probably least helpful imo
In reply to @MicheleCorbat
Meffscience
Nov 7 @ 9:15 PM EST
A2: Grading culture chases points to get to a specific score. A learning culture focuses on learning the material through feedback
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AimeeShreve
Nov 7 @ 9:15 PM EST
A2 in a learning culture, Ss aren't thinking about grades first because they're too involved in the discovery
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RodneyHetherton
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:15 PM EST
Feedback Only
#COLchat
JoyKirr
Nov 7 @ 9:15 PM EST
A2: I'm going for NO marks this year. So our culture is one for LEARNING (feedback only), and not grading.
#colchat
rggillespie
Nov 7 @ 9:15 PM EST
Grading culture is wrongly focused on point accumulation, sorting students and answers What do I need to get a __?
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TamraDollar
Nov 7 @ 9:15 PM EST
Grades are feedback. They should inform the learner in order to determine next steps in the learning process.
#colchat
MicheleCorbat
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:13 PM EST
Random question: Agree or Disagree- Grades are feedback to a student on his/her learning. Why?
#COLchat
Aricfoster2
Nov 7 @ 9:15 PM EST
More disagree than agree. Words that cite achievement and gaps are feedback. Grades/scores tend to be a sign that learning can stop
#colchat
MicheleCorbat
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:13 PM EST
Random question: Agree or Disagree- Grades are feedback to a student on his/her learning. Why?
#COLchat
MicheleCorbat
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:16 PM EST
Q2 What are the key differences between a 'grading culture' and a 'learning culture'?
#COLchat
RodneyHetherton
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:16 PM EST
A2 In a grading culture the focus is on the mark (A). In a learning culture the focus is on acquiring knowledge, skills, & growth.
#COLchat
daveschmittou
Nov 7 @ 9:16 PM EST
A2) grading symbolizes what has been done. Learning represents what is still to come... never ending, always growing
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envirojer
Nov 7 @ 9:16 PM EST
Grades are definitely feedback, not necessarily the feedback we desire to send. Encourage further growth/learning? Doubtful
#colchat
MicheleCorbat
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:13 PM EST
Random question: Agree or Disagree- Grades are feedback to a student on his/her learning. Why?
#COLchat
blocht574
Nov 7 @ 9:16 PM EST
Outdated Schedules...
https://t.co/YqvOO3XIBD
#miched
#colchat
DennisDill
Nov 7 @ 9:16 PM EST
A1 grading is communication ... numerical feedback ... no matter how you try to redefine it... it still comes out being a "grade"
#COLchat
JoyKirr
Nov 7 @ 9:16 PM EST
Please don't give me a grade. I'll stop trying if I get that one. ;)
#colchat
In reply to @conniehamilton
SupfromYup
Nov 7 @ 9:16 PM EST
A2) It's about the learning not all about the grades.
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quickmuse
Nov 7 @ 9:16 PM EST
A2 It's the difference between using twitter to collect little hearts & RTs vs. employing it to forge legit relationships.
#colchat
BMaloneyElon
Nov 7 @ 9:16 PM EST
Indeed it's subjective, but in order to quantify a student's achievement, society has resolved to grades.
#eloned
#colchat
In reply to @kenoc7
Aricfoster2
Nov 7 @ 9:16 PM EST
A2: in a learning culture, pupils are learners not students. They don't play school (as much); they learn.
#colchat
DRich0696
Nov 7 @ 9:16 PM EST
A2: grading culture is based on extrinsic motivation while a learning culture is intrinsic
#COLchat
hhschiaravalli
Nov 7 @ 9:16 PM EST
A2: A grading culture is one focused on the false currency of grades, long since unmoored from any "gold standard" of learning
#colchat
RyanXristopher
Nov 7 @ 9:16 PM EST
A grading culture doesn't necessarily require learning, and a learning culture doesn't necessarily require grading.
#COLchat
In reply to @kenoc7
ilfabn
Nov 7 @ 9:17 PM EST
Kevin from the Chicago burbs just lurking.
#COLchat
Meffscience
Nov 7 @ 9:17 PM EST
A2: When a grade is attached the learning stops. Learning needs to be continuous
#colchat
rggillespie
Nov 7 @ 9:17 PM EST
Learning culture is focused on student growth and progress where students and teachers work together towards common goals
#colchat
MicheleCorbat
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:17 PM EST
I think he is on to something here about 'playing school'.
#cultureofgrading
#COLchat
Aricfoster2
Nov 7 @ 9:16 PM EST
A2: in a learning culture, pupils are learners not students. They don't play school (as much); they learn.
#colchat
JoyKirr
Nov 7 @ 9:17 PM EST
Woot!
#colchat
In reply to @SupfromYup
kenoc7
Nov 7 @ 9:17 PM EST
@JoyKirr
@RodneyHetherton
@Jim_Kitchen
YES YES YES Daniel Pink is my hero.
#COLchat
In reply to @JoyKirr, @RodneyHetherton, @Jim_Kitchen
DRich0696
Nov 7 @ 9:16 PM EST
A2: grading culture is based on extrinsic motivation while a learning culture is intrinsic
#COLchat
josgood1
Nov 7 @ 9:17 PM EST
A2 A learning culture Ss look for feedback, chart progress, and self reflect. Grade culture Ss ask how do I get an A
#COLchat
scottcox55
Nov 7 @ 9:17 PM EST
Grade cul has end 2 learning process...once grade is achieved, learning ends. Learn cul continues 2 learn as the continue 2 ask Qs
#COLchat
freiterh
Nov 7 @ 9:17 PM EST
A2 learning culture constantly strives to get better to improve Ss learning. Grading culture = I taught, did they learn it
#COLchat
quickmuse
Nov 7 @ 9:18 PM EST
That's pretty good, Dave.
#colchat
Grading is inert. Learning is alive.
In reply to @daveschmittou
CraigPfenninger
Nov 7 @ 9:18 PM EST
To me, grading culture is more of a fixed mindset and learning culture is more of a growth mindset
#colchat
envirojer
Nov 7 @ 9:18 PM EST
Classroom goal!
#colchat
Aricfoster2
Nov 7 @ 9:16 PM EST
A2: in a learning culture, pupils are learners not students. They don't play school (as much); they learn.
#colchat
BMaloneyElon
Nov 7 @ 9:18 PM EST
If only grades could be decidedly subjective..we'd have it figured out
#eloned
#colchat
In reply to @kenoc7
BradLatzke
Nov 7 @ 9:18 PM EST
Intrinsic motivation leads to learning that sticks. See Dan Pinks book, "Drive."
#colchat
DRich0696
Nov 7 @ 9:16 PM EST
A2: grading culture is based on extrinsic motivation while a learning culture is intrinsic
#COLchat
daveschmittou
Nov 7 @ 9:18 PM EST
Well, they are feedback...there's a lot to be said about the quality of it & what message is being sent, but they do say something
#colchat
MicheleCorbat
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:13 PM EST
Random question: Agree or Disagree- Grades are feedback to a student on his/her learning. Why?
#COLchat
Aricfoster2
Nov 7 @ 9:18 PM EST
Dave said what I think better than I said it. Well done sir.
#colchat
DRich0696
Nov 7 @ 9:16 PM EST
A2: grading culture is based on extrinsic motivation while a learning culture is intrinsic
#COLchat
JoyKirr
Nov 7 @ 9:18 PM EST
And if the teacher communicates enough to students along the way... through words, not grades. (IMO)
#colchat
In reply to @BMaloneyElon, @Jim_Kitchen
kenoc7
Nov 7 @ 9:18 PM EST
A2 basic difference - a grading culture is about symbols, a learning culture is about words.
#COLchat
In reply to @MicheleCorbat
gm8585
Nov 7 @ 9:19 PM EST
Students asking clarifying questions about content rather than "how do I get my grade up?" Gerry from IL
#COLchat
In reply to @RodneyHetherton, @kenoc7
DRich0696
Nov 7 @ 9:19 PM EST
his book is on my short list - trying to stay ahead of my AP Micro students right now so pedagogy comes in 2nd.
#COLchat
In reply to @kenoc7
DennisDill
Nov 7 @ 9:19 PM EST
If my boss said my work "sucks" that is an assessment ... if boss says my work "still sucks" that is talking about my progress. 😂
#COLchat
Aricfoster2
Nov 7 @ 9:19 PM EST
I just said this to 85 teachers at
#RCSDpirates
today...great minds think alike. Ha
#colchat
Meffscience
Nov 7 @ 9:17 PM EST
A2: When a grade is attached the learning stops. Learning needs to be continuous
#colchat
conniehamilton
Nov 7 @ 9:19 PM EST
I would say grades distract from feedback. Even if both are given, feedback is disregarded.
#colchat
In reply to @MicheleCorbat
BMaloneyElon
Nov 7 @ 9:19 PM EST
A2 Grading culture is externally motivated. Learning culture is intrinsic
#eloned
#colchat
RodneyHetherton
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:20 PM EST
Feedback is formative!
#COLchat
In reply to @conniehamilton, @MicheleCorbat
quickmuse
Nov 7 @ 9:20 PM EST
A2 Grading is learning taken to the taxidermist. Free-range learning is happy & weirdly wild.
#colchat
Healthy minds prefer learning.
TamraDollar
Nov 7 @ 9:20 PM EST
A2 A grading culture feeds off of compliance & competition. A learning culture promotes lifelong learning.
#colchat
MicheleCorbat
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:20 PM EST
What if every classroom in every school had the characteristics of the answers to Q2? (the part about a learning culture)
#COLchat
EduGladiators
Nov 7 @ 9:20 PM EST
#EduGladiators
Podcast TONIGHT in 10 min LIVE
https://t.co/tlCxQPhG17
on Change Agents!
#weleaded
#nkcchat
#tlap
#colchat
#ASCDL2L
JoyKirr
Nov 7 @ 9:20 PM EST
YES. "Inside the Black Box" research proves this.
https://t.co/qbcsIrwoaL
#colchat
In reply to @conniehamilton, @MicheleCorbat
MichelleTelliga
Nov 7 @ 9:20 PM EST
#colchat
grading culture often done to Ss learning culture done with and by students
kenoc7
Nov 7 @ 9:21 PM EST
Q3 What shifts need to occur for a culture to shift from grading to learning?
#COLchat
kenoc7
Nov 7 @ 9:21 PM EST
A2 This is so true but many teachers have trouble with it. Formative assessment must be no score, comment only.
#COLchat
conniehamilton
Nov 7 @ 9:19 PM EST
I would say grades distract from feedback. Even if both are given, feedback is disregarded.
#colchat
In reply to @MicheleCorbat
quickmuse
Nov 7 @ 9:21 PM EST
I think
@DanielPink
would give that tweet an A+.
#colchat
In reply to @BMaloneyElon, @DanielPink
WaltKozlowski
Nov 7 @ 9:21 PM EST
A2: In a grading culture assessments are used as measurement. In a learning culture they are used to inform next steps.
#COLchat
ilfabn
Nov 7 @ 9:21 PM EST
Not trying to hijack but I have a ?: If you convert sbg to points for a report card isn't that just giving a grade?
#COLchat
Meffscience
Nov 7 @ 9:21 PM EST
A3: Teachers need to quit focusing on the grade. Make the grade irrevelant and the learning will explode.
#colchat
hhschiaravalli
Nov 7 @ 9:21 PM EST
A2: Also the difference between a transaction and a relationship
#colchat
KevinKlaeren
Nov 7 @ 9:21 PM EST
A3 - Letting go of points and percentages and strengthen value of feedback/assessment practices
#COLchat
quickmuse
Nov 7 @ 9:21 PM EST
Is that you,
@conniehamilton
?
#colchat
Good to see you here.
In reply to @conniehamilton
JoyKirr
Nov 7 @ 9:21 PM EST
You canNOT convert SBG to points. The report card should have separate standards, not one letter.
#colchat
In reply to @ilfabn
aj_hartley1
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:22 PM EST
A3: The shift must start with adult thinking and our perspectives on grading. How do we approach our own learning?
#COLchat
RodneyHetherton
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:22 PM EST
RT
@kenoc7
Q3 What shifts need to occur for a culture to shift from grading to learning?
#COLchat
In reply to @kenoc7
Aricfoster2
Nov 7 @ 9:22 PM EST
A3: more feedback & less numbers. Teaching kids to ask "what are we learning today?" Not "what are we doing today?"
#colchat
DRich0696
Nov 7 @ 9:22 PM EST
A3: Don't allow the G-word to be used? No numbers or letters until the year is over? I'd support both.
#COLchat
envirojer
Nov 7 @ 9:22 PM EST
I made it all the way to conferences without assigning grades in 10th grade biology. Learning is key driver of attendance!
#colchat
Aricfoster2
Nov 7 @ 9:19 PM EST
I just said this to 85 teachers at
#RCSDpirates
today...great minds think alike. Ha
#colchat
Meffscience
Nov 7 @ 9:17 PM EST
A2: When a grade is attached the learning stops. Learning needs to be continuous
#colchat
MicheleCorbat
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:22 PM EST
So many people are ready for the next question about percentages, points and proficiency!
#alliteration
#COLchat
:)
RyanXristopher
Nov 7 @ 9:22 PM EST
A3: Focusing on processes rather than results. Embracing failure and setbacks as learning tools along the way.
#COLchat
In reply to @kenoc7
JoyKirr
Nov 7 @ 9:22 PM EST
SO MANY SHIFTS need to occur to shift from grading to learning!
@kenoc7
's 15 fixes are a great start!
#colchat
In reply to @kenoc7
MicheleCorbat
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:23 PM EST
Q3 What shifts need to occur for a culture to shift from grading to learning?
#COLchat
RodneyHetherton
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:23 PM EST
A3 To move to a COL incorporate more feedback, formative assessment, student awareness of growth, multiple opportunities, & choice.
#COLchat
kenoc7
Nov 7 @ 9:23 PM EST
Converting from grades for standards to subject grade (hopefully only Grades 11 & 12) should be done by logic rule not calculation.
#COLchat
ilfabn
Nov 7 @ 9:21 PM EST
Not trying to hijack but I have a ?: If you convert sbg to points for a report card isn't that just giving a grade?
#COLchat
daveschmittou
Nov 7 @ 9:23 PM EST
A3) cultures grow from the bottom up but are shaped from above.Admin need to embrace growth of Ts who can then foster with their Ss
#COLchat
AimeeShreve
Nov 7 @ 9:23 PM EST
A3 starts with Ts relationships w Ss and passion for what's being taught/learned
#colchat
sandycook29
Nov 7 @ 9:23 PM EST
A3 Growth mindset is key for this kind of shift to occur
#colchat
MichelleTelliga
Nov 7 @ 9:23 PM EST
#COLchat
learning cultures involve Ss setting goals, measuring their own progress toward goals with quality feedback to improve work
Ben_educating
Nov 7 @ 9:23 PM EST
Join
#EASDChat
this Wednesday at 8pm CST to discuss Student Motivation.
#cisdtigerchat
#AwesomeJrElks
#EAHSGo
#EAMS
#educhat
#COLchat
BradLatzke
Nov 7 @ 9:23 PM EST
A3 Start with the distinction between fixed & growth mindsets + helping others see a very different future for Ss.
#colchat
WriteOnJulie
Nov 7 @ 9:23 PM EST
#COLchat
A3 Recognize & encourage learning as an ongoing process, not something that's always going to have exact end points.
freiterh
Nov 7 @ 9:23 PM EST
we all be like this if every class had those characteristics
#colchat
In reply to @MicheleCorbat
JoyKirr
Nov 7 @ 9:23 PM EST
Are you blogging about it yet, Jeremey? I'd love to add your struggles and successes here:
https://t.co/PHgYyP1q4h
#colchat
In reply to @envirojer
rggillespie
Nov 7 @ 9:23 PM EST
A3: Using grades to motivate. Far too often it's only surface motivation and is actually nothing more than compliance
#colchat
RodneyHetherton
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:23 PM EST
Indeed a
#growthmindset
is key!
#COLchat
sandycook29
Nov 7 @ 9:23 PM EST
A3 Growth mindset is key for this kind of shift to occur
#colchat
scottcox55
Nov 7 @ 9:23 PM EST
A3: somehow throw grades out the window. Become more of a standard based room could help.
#COLchat
MicheleCorbat
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:23 PM EST
YES!
#COLchat
freiterh
Nov 7 @ 9:23 PM EST
we all be like this if every class had those characteristics
#colchat
In reply to @MicheleCorbat
MicheleCorbat
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:24 PM EST
A3 The initial action that needs to occur to shift from grading to learning is a mindset shift in the educator.
#COLchat
conniehamilton
Nov 7 @ 9:24 PM EST
SBG =Standards Based Grading. It suggests there is a grade. Difference is it doesn't take unrelated data into account. Like Kleenex
#colchat
ilfabn
Nov 7 @ 9:21 PM EST
Not trying to hijack but I have a ?: If you convert sbg to points for a report card isn't that just giving a grade?
#COLchat
quickmuse
Nov 7 @ 9:24 PM EST
Amins and Teachers need to create alternate ways of assessment. Parents, teachers, colleges need to buy into this.
#colchat
RodneyHetherton
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:24 PM EST
Love all the secondary folks on here doing amazing things for learning!
#Heroes
#COLchat
MicheleCorbat
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:24 PM EST
I appreciate your input in
#COLchat
. Always get me thinking!
In reply to @rggillespie
JoyKirr
Nov 7 @ 9:24 PM EST
Many of us are throwing out grades!
https://t.co/PHgYyP1q4h
:D
#ttog
#colchat
Focus is on LEARNING.
In reply to @scottcox55
josgood1
Nov 7 @ 9:25 PM EST
A3 less of a focus by T's one putting a grade on everything. More specific, timely feedback. Revise, redo, retake by Ss. L Goals
#COLchat
hhschiaravalli
Nov 7 @ 9:25 PM EST
A3: Going way back to Douglas McGregor (1960): a shift from Theory X to Theory Y when it comes to our students.
#colchat
conniehamilton
Nov 7 @ 9:25 PM EST
Yep. It's me. When you get a personal invitation from
@kenoc7
to join a chat, you show up.
#colchat
In reply to @kenoc7
quickmuse
Nov 7 @ 9:21 PM EST
Is that you,
@conniehamilton
?
#colchat
Good to see you here.
In reply to @conniehamilton
kenoc7
Nov 7 @ 9:25 PM EST
A3 This is the key - recognizing learning as a process with lots of ups & downs so no evaluation till ends (artificial or real)
#COLchat
WriteOnJulie
Nov 7 @ 9:23 PM EST
#COLchat
A3 Recognize & encourage learning as an ongoing process, not something that's always going to have exact end points.
sandycook29
Nov 7 @ 9:26 PM EST
Exactly! Positive T and S Relationships is crucial!!
#colchat
In reply to @AimeeShreve
WaltKozlowski
Nov 7 @ 9:26 PM EST
A3: Embrace growth mindset and use failure as a learning tool (not another score to average).
#COLchat
pe4everykid
Nov 7 @ 9:26 PM EST
@ilfabn
would be interested to hear answer to that question.
#Colchat
In reply to @kenoc7, @ilfabn
BMaloneyElon
Nov 7 @ 9:26 PM EST
A3 If teachers weren't judged on their student's grades, the next step would be for students not to be judged by grades
#eloned
#colchat
TamraDollar
Nov 7 @ 9:26 PM EST
A3 Buy-in from admin-A classroom teacher would not be able to tackle a fixed mindset on grading practices w/out support from admin.
#colchat
MicheleCorbat
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:27 PM EST
#COLchat
is trending in the #2 spot!
#educationWIN
@aj_hartley1
@RodneyHetherton
@kenoc7
In reply to @aj_hartley1, @RodneyHetherton, @kenoc7
JoyKirr
Nov 7 @ 9:27 PM EST
I always feel so fortunate for the support from my admin. It makes all the difference, doesn't it?!
#colchat
In reply to @TamraDollar
CindyWarber
Nov 7 @ 9:27 PM EST
A3: Not awarding scholarships and entrance to competitive schools based on G.P.A. Both Ss and parents want all A's over feedback
#COLchat
quickmuse
Nov 7 @ 9:27 PM EST
Me, I received a personal invitation from Ken G. to join a chat.
#colchat
No one has thrown me out. Yet.
In reply to @conniehamilton, @kenoc7
rggillespie
Nov 7 @ 9:27 PM EST
@WriteOnJulie
So true. So a change that needs to take place: End of Marking Period Dates and averaging of terms
#colchat
In reply to @kenoc7, @WriteOnJulie
TTMobile_us
Nov 7 @ 9:27 PM EST
#COLchat
is now trending in USA, ranking 31
kenoc7
Nov 7 @ 9:28 PM EST
Q4 Why should levels of proficiency not be linked to percentages?
#COLchat
MicheleCorbat
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:28 PM EST
WOW! Such an important topic tonight!
#COLchat
TTMobile_us
Nov 7 @ 9:27 PM EST
#COLchat
is now trending in USA, ranking 31
scottcox55
Nov 7 @ 9:28 PM EST
love it!!
#colchat
In reply to @JoyKirr
RodneyHetherton
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:28 PM EST
Relationships help create the trust needed to skip the status quo of grading and dive deeply into authentic learning!
#COLchat
AimeeShreve
Nov 7 @ 9:23 PM EST
A3 starts with Ts relationships w Ss and passion for what's being taught/learned
#colchat
TamraDollar
Nov 7 @ 9:28 PM EST
So true! I've been lucky as well.
#colchat
In reply to @JoyKirr
kenoc7
Nov 7 @ 9:28 PM EST
Averaging of terms is one of the absolutely worst practices.
#COLchat
In reply to @rggillespie, @WriteOnJulie
RodneyHetherton
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:29 PM EST
RT
@kenoc7
Q4 Why should levels of proficiency not be linked to percentages?
#COLchat
In reply to @kenoc7
aj_hartley1
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:29 PM EST
A4: For me it is the mile deep vs mile wide mindset.
#COLchat
KevinKlaeren
Nov 7 @ 9:29 PM EST
A4 - Averaging can lead to inaccurate “picture” of progress (i.e. early success followed by no growth in M.P. can be masked)
#COLchat
Aricfoster2
Nov 7 @ 9:29 PM EST
Makes a HUGE difference. It is a JOYous occasion when this happens
#pun
#dadjoke
#colchat
JoyKirr
Nov 7 @ 9:27 PM EST
I always feel so fortunate for the support from my admin. It makes all the difference, doesn't it?!
#colchat
In reply to @TamraDollar
MicheleCorbat
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:29 PM EST
Time out! My washing machine is giving me feedback that it's time to switch loads.
#BRB
#COLchat
DRich0696
Nov 7 @ 9:29 PM EST
A4: What do percentages mean? They can not measure growth toward the standard - but I'm forced to make them do so...
#COLchat
Aricfoster2
Nov 7 @ 9:29 PM EST
A4: why SHOULD they. If a letter grade is required, turn levels of proficiency directly into them. Why add a step?
#colchat
RodneyHetherton
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:30 PM EST
A4 Levels of proficiency show mastery toward targets. Percentages are averages that cloud the reality of mastery achieved.
#COLchat
MicheleCorbat
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:30 PM EST
Q4 Why should levels of proficiency not be linked to percentages?
#COLchat
envirojer
Nov 7 @ 9:30 PM EST
Yet 50% of kids at our schools will attend 4 yr univ in fall and only 50% of those graduates in4-5 yrs. this system works for 25%
#colchat
CindyWarber
Nov 7 @ 9:27 PM EST
A3: Not awarding scholarships and entrance to competitive schools based on G.P.A. Both Ss and parents want all A's over feedback
#COLchat
kenoc7
Nov 7 @ 9:30 PM EST
As
@TomSchimmer
says “we penalize students for not knowing then what they know now.”
#COLchat
In reply to @TomSchimmer
rggillespie
Nov 7 @ 9:27 PM EST
@WriteOnJulie
So true. So a change that needs to take place: End of Marking Period Dates and averaging of terms
#colchat
In reply to @kenoc7, @WriteOnJulie
rggillespie
Nov 7 @ 9:30 PM EST
And is there really a difference between a 79% and an 80%
#colchat
In reply to @DRich0696
RyanXristopher
Nov 7 @ 9:30 PM EST
A4: Because proficiency isn't necessarily linked to the percentage of success on a project.
#colchat
In reply to @kenoc7
WaltKozlowski
Nov 7 @ 9:30 PM EST
@Aricfoster2
Exactly!
#COLchat
In reply to @Aricfoster2
Aricfoster2
Nov 7 @ 9:29 PM EST
A4: why SHOULD they. If a letter grade is required, turn levels of proficiency directly into them. Why add a step?
#colchat
DRich0696
Nov 7 @ 9:31 PM EST
or an 83%? Who can tell?
#COLchat
In reply to @rggillespie
SeathJordan
Nov 7 @ 9:31 PM EST
proficiency should not be linked to percentages because all students enter the learning process at a different point
#colchat
JoyKirr
Nov 7 @ 9:31 PM EST
I keep thinking of riding a bike... You either know it and can do it consistently, or you don't YET know it.
#colchat
scottcox55
Nov 7 @ 9:31 PM EST
A4: percentages then become the motivation rather than proficiency. Learning ends once percentage is achieved
#COLchat
hhschiaravalli
Nov 7 @ 9:31 PM EST
A4: When points, percentages, or letters get involved, it triggers fixed mindset. Don't know why, it just does.
#colchat
josgood1
Nov 7 @ 9:31 PM EST
A4 proficiency is a standard all Ss are to move toward. Percentage, or averages, impede progress. Average is toxic.
#COLchat
BradLatzke
Nov 7 @ 9:31 PM EST
A4 Todd Rose "End of Average" has blown up the myth of average, especially for non-educators.
#colchat
MicheleCorbat
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:31 PM EST
I give this chat a 97%. (everyone has a clear understanding of what that means, right?)
#sarcasm
#COLchat
DRich0696
Nov 7 @ 9:32 PM EST
Actually, one is a C+ and the other is a B- Ha!
#COLchat
In reply to @rggillespie
BMaloneyElon
Nov 7 @ 9:32 PM EST
A4 Cuz you can't quantify something as dynamic as proficiency and methods for achieving that % are hard to validate/rely on
#colchat
#eloned
MichelleTelliga
Nov 7 @ 9:32 PM EST
#COLchat
MichelleTelliga
Nov 7 @ 9:32 PM EST
Ss proficiency cannot be an average of percentages
envirojer
Nov 7 @ 9:32 PM EST
Sig figs! Sig figs!
#colchat
ugh!
rggillespie
Nov 7 @ 9:30 PM EST
And is there really a difference between a 79% and an 80%
#colchat
In reply to @DRich0696
kenoc7
Nov 7 @ 9:32 PM EST
That is because trad’al grading prepares students to get into college but not succeed. That is why K-12 needs a culture of learning.
#COLchat
envirojer
Nov 7 @ 9:30 PM EST
Yet 50% of kids at our schools will attend 4 yr univ in fall and only 50% of those graduates in4-5 yrs. this system works for 25%
#colchat
CindyWarber
Nov 7 @ 9:27 PM EST
A3: Not awarding scholarships and entrance to competitive schools based on G.P.A. Both Ss and parents want all A's over feedback
#COLchat
TheDisciplineDr
Nov 7 @ 9:32 PM EST
I don't understand the movement against grading. Most careers require some kind of evaluation. Students should get used to it.
#COLchat
MicheleCorbat
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:33 PM EST
Interesting point.
#COLchat
TheDisciplineDr
Nov 7 @ 9:32 PM EST
I don't understand the movement against grading. Most careers require some kind of evaluation. Students should get used to it.
#COLchat
TamraDollar
Nov 7 @ 9:33 PM EST
A4 Some types of documentation require percentages like on IEPs. I personally believe percentages are too ambiguous.
#colchat
kenoc7
Nov 7 @ 9:34 PM EST
Q5 SBG is often criticized for being ‘soft’ on students, yet in fact it is demanding. How do you explain this difference?
#COLchat
JoyKirr
Nov 7 @ 9:34 PM EST
Time to do the research on a grade vs. feedback only. The growth / results are amazing.
#colchat
In reply to @TheDisciplineDr
ilfabn
Nov 7 @ 9:34 PM EST
Aren't there deadlines to be met, however? Not realistic to have unlimited time to do work, right?
#COLchat
kenoc7
Nov 7 @ 9:30 PM EST
As
@TomSchimmer
says “we penalize students for not knowing then what they know now.”
#COLchat
In reply to @TomSchimmer
rggillespie
Nov 7 @ 9:27 PM EST
@WriteOnJulie
So true. So a change that needs to take place: End of Marking Period Dates and averaging of terms
#colchat
In reply to @kenoc7, @WriteOnJulie
BMaloneyElon
Nov 7 @ 9:34 PM EST
if education were only about preparing for careers I would have to agree!
#ElonEd
#colchat
In reply to @TheDisciplineDr
DPChem_Provost
Nov 7 @ 9:34 PM EST
Too many T say ss won't do their practice homework unless it's graded so they count it as a grade... Frustrating...
#COLchat
RodneyHetherton
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:35 PM EST
RT
@kenoc7
Q5 SBG is often criticized for being ‘soft’ on students, yet in fact it is demanding. How do u explain this difference?
#COLchat
In reply to @kenoc7
aj_hartley1
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:35 PM EST
A5:
@kenoc7
uses a great example of the parachute packer- it's common sense.
#COLchat
In reply to @kenoc7
MicheleCorbat
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:35 PM EST
A5 SBG is not 'softer' on students. I agree with
@rickwormeli2
on this (see picture).
#COLchat
In reply to @rickwormeli2
envirojer
Nov 7 @ 9:35 PM EST
Last time I took a test...19 years ago. Books I've read since then... 100's
#colchat
TheDisciplineDr
Nov 7 @ 9:32 PM EST
I don't understand the movement against grading. Most careers require some kind of evaluation. Students should get used to it.
#COLchat
Meffscience
Nov 7 @ 9:35 PM EST
--you get a written evaluation with feedback, not just a score. "Your surgery today was an 83 doctor"
#colchat
In reply to @TheDisciplineDr
kenoc7
Nov 7 @ 9:35 PM EST
Not ag'st grading. A’gst trad’al grading which is inaccurate, lacks meaning & consistency & isn’t supportive of learning process.
#COLchat
TheDisciplineDr
Nov 7 @ 9:32 PM EST
I don't understand the movement against grading. Most careers require some kind of evaluation. Students should get used to it.
#COLchat
rggillespie
Nov 7 @ 9:35 PM EST
Are people best motivated to improve on their jobs based on their yearly evaluations?
#colchat
In reply to @TheDisciplineDr
KevinKlaeren
Nov 7 @ 9:35 PM EST
A5 - As with Q4, students can’t rest on points/marks - SBG reports achievement in realtime with teacher raising challenge level -
#COLchat
Aricfoster2
Nov 7 @ 9:35 PM EST
Evaluation yes. With words. An explanation of skills met and not met. Usually not an arbitrary percentage or asinine symbol
#colchat
TheDisciplineDr
Nov 7 @ 9:32 PM EST
I don't understand the movement against grading. Most careers require some kind of evaluation. Students should get used to it.
#COLchat
JoyKirr
Nov 7 @ 9:35 PM EST
I think we just need to DO it. Get parents (& teachers!) used to it. Ss will still be bummed when they haven't mastered standards.
#colchat
kenoc7
Nov 7 @ 9:34 PM EST
Q5 SBG is often criticized for being ‘soft’ on students, yet in fact it is demanding. How do you explain this difference?
#COLchat
MicheleCorbat
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:36 PM EST
Q5 SBG is often criticized for being ‘soft’ on students, yet in fact it is demanding. How do you explain this difference?
#COLchat
RodneyHetherton
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:36 PM EST
A5 There is a rigor that is necessary for mastering multiple competencies & targets. By removing behavior, you increase accuracy.
#COLchat
WaltKozlowski
Nov 7 @ 9:36 PM EST
A5: SBG demands persistence & effort. Traditional allows students off the hook - turn it in, who cares if you understood it?
#colchat
Aricfoster2
Nov 7 @ 9:36 PM EST
A5: my learners are not done revising a task until they are proficient in all standards on that task
@garnet_hillman
taught me that
#colchat
In reply to @garnet_hillman
conniehamilton
Nov 7 @ 9:36 PM EST
This isn't an anti-grading chat. It's anti-broken grading. Don't base grades on averages, Extra credit...
#colchat
TheDisciplineDr
Nov 7 @ 9:32 PM EST
I don't understand the movement against grading. Most careers require some kind of evaluation. Students should get used to it.
#COLchat
MichelleTelliga
Nov 7 @ 9:36 PM EST
#COLchat
yes careers use evaluation - usually with feedback how to improve - adults are not given an ABC grade on any job that I know of
TheDisciplineDr
Nov 7 @ 9:32 PM EST
I don't understand the movement against grading. Most careers require some kind of evaluation. Students should get used to it.
#COLchat
TheDisciplineDr
Nov 7 @ 9:37 PM EST
Education may not only be about career preparation, but that is certainly a big part of it.
#colchat
In reply to @BMaloneyElon
rggillespie
Nov 7 @ 9:37 PM EST
A5: Holding the students accountable until they meet their individual goals is far from soft
#colchat
kenoc7
Nov 7 @ 9:37 PM EST
A5 One reason is that there are no zeros, just incomplete, so students can’t just say “give me a zero.” = real responsibility.
#COLchat
hhschiaravalli
Nov 7 @ 9:37 PM EST
A5: In trad grading, kids pass with a 59.5% D-
#colchat
conniehamilton
Nov 7 @ 9:37 PM EST
@kenoc7
@TomSchimmer
yes. But I believe this references averaging grades.
#colchat
In reply to @ilfabn, @kenoc7, @TomSchimmer
MicheleCorbat
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:38 PM EST
.
@garnet_hillman
is coming to
@swartz_creek
for the 2017 MAMSE conference.
https://t.co/k6Yc6IwBsK
#COLchat
In reply to @garnet_hillman, @swartz_creek
Aricfoster2
Nov 7 @ 9:36 PM EST
A5: my learners are not done revising a task until they are proficient in all standards on that task
@garnet_hillman
taught me that
#colchat
In reply to @garnet_hillman
MrsRosellRHS
Nov 7 @ 9:38 PM EST
A5: SBG reqs Ss to be persistent until they truly display understanding. Removes "easy points"- more accurate rep of what Ss know
#colchat
kenoc7
Nov 7 @ 9:38 PM EST
And with being lees than proficient on more than half the standards!!!
#COLchat
hhschiaravalli
Nov 7 @ 9:37 PM EST
A5: In trad grading, kids pass with a 59.5% D-
#colchat
DRich0696
Nov 7 @ 9:38 PM EST
A5: Traditional gives a zero and lets Ss off the hook - SBL requires that the learning happens.
#COLchat
DPChem_Provost
Nov 7 @ 9:39 PM EST
Struggling on how to handle missing summatives. What about the kid who would get a 50. Just don't do it and take the 60?
#COLchat
Aricfoster2
Nov 7 @ 9:39 PM EST
So are
@MeganCMoMo
and I 😉
#colchat
In reply to @MeganCMoMo
MicheleCorbat
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:38 PM EST
.
@garnet_hillman
is coming to
@swartz_creek
for the 2017 MAMSE conference.
https://t.co/k6Yc6IwBsK
#COLchat
In reply to @garnet_hillman, @swartz_creek
Aricfoster2
Nov 7 @ 9:36 PM EST
A5: my learners are not done revising a task until they are proficient in all standards on that task
@garnet_hillman
taught me that
#colchat
In reply to @garnet_hillman
BMaloneyElon
Nov 7 @ 9:39 PM EST
A5 Maybe what is meant is that the standards are harder to judge fairly between students, so teachers often generalize
#ElonEd
#colchat
RodneyHetherton
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:39 PM EST
Amen
@rggillespie
#COLchat
In reply to @rggillespie
rggillespie
Nov 7 @ 9:37 PM EST
A5: Holding the students accountable until they meet their individual goals is far from soft
#colchat
envirojer
Nov 7 @ 9:39 PM EST
Standards based learning
#sbl
progress via feedback. Can we say ss will master different # of standards?
#colchat
WaltKozlowski
Nov 7 @ 9:36 PM EST
A5: SBG demands persistence & effort. Traditional allows students off the hook - turn it in, who cares if you understood it?
#colchat
MicheleCorbat
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:39 PM EST
YES! Megan and Aric too! Don't miss this!
#COLchat
Aricfoster2
Nov 7 @ 9:39 PM EST
So are
@MeganCMoMo
and I 😉
#colchat
In reply to @MeganCMoMo
MicheleCorbat
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:38 PM EST
.
@garnet_hillman
is coming to
@swartz_creek
for the 2017 MAMSE conference.
https://t.co/k6Yc6IwBsK
#COLchat
In reply to @garnet_hillman, @swartz_creek
Aricfoster2
Nov 7 @ 9:36 PM EST
A5: my learners are not done revising a task until they are proficient in all standards on that task
@garnet_hillman
taught me that
#colchat
In reply to @garnet_hillman
mctownsley
Nov 7 @ 9:39 PM EST
A5) SBG is both harder (no HW to ‘pad’ the grade) and easier (reassessments) for students.
#COLchat
conniehamilton
Nov 7 @ 9:40 PM EST
One of my kids got caught copying. T wouldn't let him redo. Zero. What does that say about importance of the assignment?
#colchat
In reply to @kenoc7
maverikcrq
Nov 7 @ 9:40 PM EST
@TheDisciplineDr
With work, evaluations encourage growth. Grading in school is final and sometimes punitive
#colchat
In reply to @conniehamilton, @TheDisciplineDr
DPChem_Provost
Nov 7 @ 9:40 PM EST
Traditional seems to create a wealth of cheating... Don't see it with SBG
#COLchat
WaltKozlowski
Nov 7 @ 9:36 PM EST
A5: SBG demands persistence & effort. Traditional allows students off the hook - turn it in, who cares if you understood it?
#colchat
jazzmeister2013
Nov 7 @ 9:40 PM EST
Tardy tonight, but checking in ready to engage. Greg- K, Maryland. Hope all are well.
#colchat
BradLatzke
Nov 7 @ 9:40 PM EST
Why are companies moving away from traditional evaluations?
https://t.co/6UOcMhq2vn
#colchat
TheDisciplineDr
Nov 7 @ 9:32 PM EST
I don't understand the movement against grading. Most careers require some kind of evaluation. Students should get used to it.
#COLchat
kenoc7
Nov 7 @ 9:40 PM EST
If unfortunately using % (which should be eliminated) use 50 for not done, 53.3333 or something between 50 and 59 for done poorly.
#COLchat
DPChem_Provost
Nov 7 @ 9:39 PM EST
Struggling on how to handle missing summatives. What about the kid who would get a 50. Just don't do it and take the 60?
#COLchat
TamraDollar
Nov 7 @ 9:41 PM EST
A5 SBG has a clear target based on standards. There is nothing "soft" about requiring Ss to reach learning goals.
#colchat
kenoc7
Nov 7 @ 9:42 PM EST
Not important and the teacher is being unprofessional.
#COLchat
In reply to @conniehamilton
kenoc7
Nov 7 @ 9:42 PM EST
Q6 Traditional grading gets students into college. SBG prepares them for success after high school. How? Agree/Disagree?
#COLchat
JoyKirr
Nov 7 @ 9:42 PM EST
Turning work in is much more work than not turning in ANYthing. Enforce redo so student learns from doing.
#colchat
@kenoc7
In reply to @ilfabn, @kenoc7
conniehamilton
Nov 7 @ 9:42 PM EST
One difference between SBL and traditional grading is focus on learning vs. covering the standards.
#colchat
aj_hartley1
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:43 PM EST
A6: The excuse of "prepare for high school or college" must go away. Two wrongs do not make a right! Colleges are changing too.
#COLchat
MicheleCorbat
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:43 PM EST
Q6 Traditional grading gets students into college. SBG prepares them for success after high school. How? Agree/Disagree?
#COLchat
RodneyHetherton
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:43 PM EST
RT
@kenoc7
Q6 Traditional grading gets students into college. SBG prepares them for success after high school. How? Agree/Disagree?
#COLchat
In reply to @kenoc7
JoyKirr
Nov 7 @ 9:43 PM EST
Colleges are changing, too...
https://t.co/L9zGtjwSYY
#colchat
TheDisciplineDr
Nov 7 @ 9:43 PM EST
I have zero problem with grading based on percentages. Percentage correct is a valid representation of knowledge
#COLchat
In reply to @conniehamilton
KevinKlaeren
Nov 7 @ 9:43 PM EST
A6 Prepares grads for success! Build growth mindset - always seeking to learn or deepen skills - It’s the journey not a destination
#COLchat
Meffscience
Nov 7 @ 9:43 PM EST
A6: Traditional teaches students to know material for a test and then forget it. SBG teaches students how to learn forever
#colchat
rggillespie
Nov 7 @ 9:43 PM EST
And most research (Deci, Pink) suggests that at best this would only provide a temporary improvement
#colchat
In reply to @TheDisciplineDr
Aricfoster2
Nov 7 @ 9:43 PM EST
A6: SBL breeds doing practice to prepare for long term success-do it cuz it will help later, not cuz it helps now
#colchat
RodneyHetherton
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:44 PM EST
A6 Agree. What could be more powerful than authentic learning and growth?
#growthmindset
#COLchat
RyanXristopher
Nov 7 @ 9:44 PM EST
A6: Money gets students into college. People skills and grit prepare students for success after high school. :p
#COLchat
In reply to @kenoc7
conniehamilton
Nov 7 @ 9:44 PM EST
Hmmm... what's the difference between a 87% and 88%? Do we REALLY need 100 different scores?
#colchat
TheDisciplineDr
Nov 7 @ 9:43 PM EST
I have zero problem with grading based on percentages. Percentage correct is a valid representation of knowledge
#COLchat
In reply to @conniehamilton
JoyKirr
Nov 7 @ 9:44 PM EST
Agreed. SBG, redos/retakes, LEARNING... helps breed habits of EFFORT and PERSEVERANCE, which will help with just about everything.
#colchat
Aricfoster2
Nov 7 @ 9:43 PM EST
A6: SBL breeds doing practice to prepare for long term success-do it cuz it will help later, not cuz it helps now
#colchat
rggillespie
Nov 7 @ 9:44 PM EST
As schools move towards competency-based systems this question/problem will become more mute
#colchat
hhschiaravalli
Nov 7 @ 9:44 PM EST
A6: To what extent is college is the source of the whole racket? The fish rots from the head down?
#colchat
Meffscience
Nov 7 @ 9:45 PM EST
But I have never seen a job where that is ALL you get in a job evaluation. (of course I have been in education a while)
#colchat
TheDisciplineDr
Nov 7 @ 9:39 PM EST
Sales numbers, money earned, percentage growth...all similar to grades
In reply to @Meffscience
kenoc7
Nov 7 @ 9:45 PM EST
A6 Trad’al teaches students to be grade grubbers, SBG teaches them to be self-directed LEARNERS>
#COLchat
envirojer
Nov 7 @ 9:45 PM EST
SBG still assumes a set end to learning. I'm on the fence with sbg.
#colchat
kenoc7
Nov 7 @ 9:42 PM EST
Q6 Traditional grading gets students into college. SBG prepares them for success after high school. How? Agree/Disagree?
#COLchat
MrsRosellRHS
Nov 7 @ 9:45 PM EST
A6: Beyond HS, grades based mainly on exams, where Ss show know of academic goals; SBG allows Ss to "practice" reaching goals...
#colchat
conniehamilton
Nov 7 @ 9:45 PM EST
I'd be honored to have you use this. I'll email it after
#COLchat
.
kenoc7
Nov 7 @ 9:43 PM EST
Can you send me this in a format I can use - with attribution of course?
In reply to @conniehamilton
MichelleTelliga
Nov 7 @ 9:45 PM EST
#colchat
doesn't need to be either/or...
MichelleTelliga
Nov 7 @ 9:45 PM EST
Q6 SBG is superior to improve learning and grades are still needed to get in to most colleges - so blend by using SBG with one overall grade
BMaloneyElon
Nov 7 @ 9:45 PM EST
A6 Agree, it would be hard for colleges to recruit only based on standards. The real world allows for standards
#eloned
#colchat
RodneyHetherton
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:46 PM EST
I believe the smaller the scale 1-4 vs. 1-100 is a more valid representation of mastery of knowledge.
#COLchat
TheDisciplineDr
Nov 7 @ 9:43 PM EST
I have zero problem with grading based on percentages. Percentage correct is a valid representation of knowledge
#COLchat
In reply to @conniehamilton
MicheleCorbat
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:46 PM EST
A6 'prepare them for college'? Why not teach K-12 in lecture halls with dorms and hundreds of Ss in classes too?
#saywhat
#COLchat
MrsRosellRHS
Nov 7 @ 9:46 PM EST
A6: Ss can try various methods to see what works for them to reach goals; then use those skills beyond HS
#colchat
jazzmeister2013
Nov 7 @ 9:46 PM EST
Not sure I agree with unprofessional, because a level of accountability is important. However...
#colchat
(pt1)
In reply to @kenoc7, @conniehamilton
JoyKirr
Nov 7 @ 9:46 PM EST
You sound like
@rickwormeli2
. ;)
#colchat
In reply to @RodneyHetherton, @rickwormeli2
kenoc7
Nov 7 @ 9:46 PM EST
Unless you are in a school that eliminates grades we have to do them so deemphasize make them supportive of learning.
#COLchat
In reply to @envirojer
TamraDollar
Nov 7 @ 9:46 PM EST
A6 I'm not sure traditional grades get Ss into college.
@txwomans
looks at the whole student when making those decisions.
#COLchat
In reply to @txwomans
WaltKozlowski
Nov 7 @ 9:47 PM EST
A6: Mastery of the standards at one level should ensure students have the building blocks in place for learning at the next level.
#colchat
conniehamilton
Nov 7 @ 9:47 PM EST
I'm bringing Ken O'Connor to my son's next P/T conference! Twice I shared his book - "Here, I think you'll like these fixes"
#colchat
kenoc7
Nov 7 @ 9:42 PM EST
Not important and the teacher is being unprofessional.
#COLchat
In reply to @conniehamilton
RodneyHetherton
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:47 PM EST
Well, that is a lofty compliment. And I can't do Sound of Music. ;-)
#COLchat
In reply to @JoyKirr, @rickwormeli2
kenoc7
Nov 7 @ 9:47 PM EST
Agree that is happening more but still predominant about courses taken and grades.
#COLchat
In reply to @TamraDollar, @txwomans
MrLeonard8
Nov 7 @ 9:48 PM EST
15 mins until
#edtechafterdark
#COLchat
jazzmeister2013
Nov 7 @ 9:48 PM EST
...a "zero" doesn't solve anything. Work w/ T on flexibility. S still needs to be able to produce...
#colchat
(pt2)
In reply to @kenoc7, @conniehamilton
conniehamilton
Nov 7 @ 9:48 PM EST
Maybe we stop having recess to prepare them for college....
#COLchat
MicheleCorbat
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:46 PM EST
A6 'prepare them for college'? Why not teach K-12 in lecture halls with dorms and hundreds of Ss in classes too?
#saywhat
#COLchat
rggillespie
Nov 7 @ 9:48 PM EST
Do colleges know best anyway?
https://t.co/TH1sIfYMU8
#colchat
Let's do what's right for our students regardless
rggillespie
Nov 7 @ 9:48 PM EST
Do colleges know best anyway?
https://t.co/Th4UeydCiG
#colchat
Let's do what's right for our students regardless
Jim_Kitchen
Nov 7 @ 9:49 PM EST
But not when various skills are being assessed. Doesn't tell performance on specific standard
#colchat
TheDisciplineDr
Nov 7 @ 9:43 PM EST
I have zero problem with grading based on percentages. Percentage correct is a valid representation of knowledge
#COLchat
In reply to @conniehamilton
jazzmeister2013
Nov 7 @ 9:49 PM EST
...the work to demonstrate understanding of the content.
#colchat
pt3)
In reply to @kenoc7, @conniehamilton
TamraDollar
Nov 7 @ 9:49 PM EST
I'm also seeing a move towards digital portfolios at the graduate level.
#colchat
In reply to @kenoc7, @txwomans
kenoc7
Nov 7 @ 9:50 PM EST
Q7 TAKE ACTION: What is 1 action you will take this week to create a COL with learning & grading?
#COLchat
BradLatzke
Nov 7 @ 9:50 PM EST
Wake Up Call: Traditional University Systems
https://t.co/OmNOyOrDT2
#colchat
kenoc7
Nov 7 @ 9:42 PM EST
Q6 Traditional grading gets students into college. SBG prepares them for success after high school. How? Agree/Disagree?
#COLchat
RodneyHetherton
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:51 PM EST
RT
@kenoc7
Q7 TAKE ACTION: What is 1 action you will take this week to create a COL with learning & grading?
#COLchat
In reply to @kenoc7
aj_hartley1
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:51 PM EST
A7: I am going to challenge teachers and admin to look at our grading practices and reflect on these questions.
#COLchat
conniehamilton
Nov 7 @ 9:51 PM EST
A7 The first step is to gather data and study. All stakeholders must be included.
#colchat
KevinKlaeren
Nov 7 @ 9:51 PM EST
A7 - Host conversations with teachers to shift away from reporting of points/percentages within respective standards
#COLchat
Aricfoster2
Nov 7 @ 9:51 PM EST
A7: consult about SBL at
#rcsdpirates
tomorrow with
@megancmomo
and share these ideas from tonight's
#colchat
to learn more &help
#fostere11
In reply to @MeganCMoMo
MicheleCorbat
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:52 PM EST
Q7 TAKE ACTION: What is 1 action you will take this week to create a COL with learning & grading?
#COLchat
RodneyHetherton
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:52 PM EST
The goal is mastery. You could quantify mastery in 2 scales - have it / don't have it.
#COLchat
In reply to @TheDisciplineDr, @conniehamilton
DRich0696
Nov 7 @ 9:52 PM EST
A7: Focus on feedback for essays instead of numbers.
#COLchat
conniehamilton
Nov 7 @ 9:52 PM EST
A7: Try some healthy grading practices, even if you're stuck in a traditional system.
#COLchat
MicheleCorbat
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:52 PM EST
A7 We will continue studying feedback with my team (Ss setting goals, co-constructing rubrics)
#COLchat
rggillespie
Nov 7 @ 9:52 PM EST
@MicheleCorbat
would love your thoughts on this
https://t.co/TH1sIfYMU8
& the article it links to at the beginning
#colchat
In reply to @conniehamilton, @MicheleCorbat
rggillespie
Nov 7 @ 9:52 PM EST
@MicheleCorbat
would love your thoughts on this
https://t.co/Qy6ajKu22Z
& the article it links to at the beginning
#colchat
In reply to @conniehamilton, @MicheleCorbat
JoyKirr
Nov 7 @ 9:52 PM EST
I will preach that it's about the LEARNING, and then continue to give only feedback - no marks.
https://t.co/0XuQSsT6dT
#colchat
TY
@kenoc7
!
MrsRosellRHS
Nov 7 @ 9:52 PM EST
A7: Cont to use models in sci & revise models w/ new evidence. Show growth of knowledge over time
#colchat
RyanXristopher
Nov 7 @ 9:52 PM EST
A7:I'd like to ask a set of adults if they feel the grades they received in school translated to their satisfaction in life.
#COLchat
In reply to @kenoc7
kenoc7
Nov 7 @ 9:52 PM EST
@TheDisciplineDr
% correct doesn’t = proficient. Hitting 250 = proficient in baseball; “hitting” 750 is proficient in b’ball.
#COLchat
In reply to @TheDisciplineDr
Meffscience
Nov 7 @ 9:53 PM EST
A7: Continue to learn from the best on twitter and keep preaching what is right in education.
#colchat
conniehamilton
Nov 7 @ 9:53 PM EST
Shifting to SBG isn't an overnight transition. There are many factors to consider to do it well.
#COLchat
MichelleTelliga
Nov 7 @ 9:53 PM EST
#COLchat
A7 I'm going to continue conversation with Ts about their best practice use of feedback & collaboratively share out what we know
TamraDollar
Nov 7 @ 9:53 PM EST
A7 I'm going to allow my undergrad Ss to redo assignments.
#colchat
MicheleCorbat
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:53 PM EST
Ohhhh, good one! I think a poll is coming.
#COLchat
In reply to @RyanXristopher, @kenoc7
DPChem_Provost
Nov 7 @ 9:53 PM EST
A7: commit to more frequent formatives with effective feedback (by student, T, or peers) focused on deepening learning
#COLchat
jazzmeister2013
Nov 7 @ 9:53 PM EST
@TheDisciplineDr
@conniehamilton
That being said, effective data analysis identifies areas of weakness, yields collab.
#colchat
In reply to @Jim_Kitchen, @TheDisciplineDr, @conniehamilton
RyanXristopher
Nov 7 @ 9:53 PM EST
You know it! :D
#COLchat
In reply to @MicheleCorbat, @kenoc7
WaltKozlowski
Nov 7 @ 9:53 PM EST
A7:
@BenMainka
from
@massp
presenting on SBG to our MS staffs tomorrow. Plan to follow up w/ resources and conversations w/ staff.
#COLchat
In reply to @BenMainka, @massp
MicheleCorbat
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:53 PM EST
Before you power down for the evening, connect with someone new from
#COLchat
. Build your PLN.
BMaloneyElon
Nov 7 @ 9:54 PM EST
A7 Ask Ss how they would grade themselves if the number meant nothing to anyone besides them
#eloned
#colchat
RodneyHetherton
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:54 PM EST
Tell Ben Rod and Jim say Hey!
#COLchat
In reply to @WaltKozlowski, @BenMainka, @massp
kenoc7
Nov 7 @ 9:54 PM EST
A7 I’m doing two keynotes and two “Talks with Teachers” at AEA267 in Cedar Falls, IA on Wednesday.
#COLchat
Jim_Kitchen
Nov 7 @ 9:54 PM EST
Say your overall grade is a "B", how did you do in "Sales Numbers?"
#colchat
@TheDisciplineDr
In reply to @TheDisciplineDr
TheDisciplineDr
Nov 7 @ 9:39 PM EST
Sales numbers, money earned, percentage growth...all similar to grades
In reply to @Meffscience
jazzmeister2013
Nov 7 @ 9:54 PM EST
@TheDisciplineDr
@conniehamilton
Formative assessment is a more relevant conversation in real time than summative.
#colchat
In reply to @Jim_Kitchen, @TheDisciplineDr, @conniehamilton
JoyKirr
Nov 7 @ 9:54 PM EST
We've got Dr. Thomas Gusky coming to
#ahsd25
tomorrow to talk SBG, as well! I'm so geeked!
#colchat
In reply to @WaltKozlowski
hoffmanteambret
Nov 7 @ 9:54 PM EST
Eval., yes, usually through perform rubric. For a CAREER, not practice. Feedback is ess., is a grade best feed?
#colchat
In reply to @TheDisciplineDr
DPChem_Provost
Nov 7 @ 9:54 PM EST
A7: definitely need to continue searching for more efficient feedback strategies...effective feedback must be timely
#COLchat
Meffscience
Nov 7 @ 9:54 PM EST
Enjoy Iowa's nice fall weather Ken. Sorry I am missing that one
#colchat
kenoc7
Nov 7 @ 9:54 PM EST
A7 I’m doing two keynotes and two “Talks with Teachers” at AEA267 in Cedar Falls, IA on Wednesday.
#COLchat
RodneyHetherton
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:55 PM EST
A huge
#COLchat
thank you to
@kenoc7
for leading us tonight!
@MicheleCorbat
@aj_hartley1
In reply to @kenoc7, @MicheleCorbat, @aj_hartley1
RodneyHetherton
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:55 PM EST
Exciting!
#COLchat
In reply to @JoyKirr, @WaltKozlowski
conniehamilton
Nov 7 @ 9:55 PM EST
Don't you convert 100 point scale to 4.0 scale for GPA? Why?
#COLchat
In reply to @TheDisciplineDr, @RodneyHetherton
BradLatzke
Nov 7 @ 9:55 PM EST
Great graphic. If you see SBG as just another initiative, it's probably going to die. You are changing a culture.
#colchat
conniehamilton
Nov 7 @ 9:53 PM EST
Shifting to SBG isn't an overnight transition. There are many factors to consider to do it well.
#COLchat
JoyKirr
Nov 7 @ 9:55 PM EST
Some ideas for you regarding feedback here....
https://t.co/XxwFYOIrJP
I've been collecting. ;)
#colchat
In reply to @DPChem_Provost
WaltKozlowski
Nov 7 @ 9:56 PM EST
@JoyKirr
Should be a good day of learning.
#COLchat
In reply to @JoyKirr
JoyKirr
Nov 7 @ 9:54 PM EST
We've got Dr. Thomas Gusky coming to
#ahsd25
tomorrow to talk SBG, as well! I'm so geeked!
#colchat
In reply to @WaltKozlowski
Aricfoster2
Nov 7 @ 9:56 PM EST
Thanks 4 making
#colchat
awesome
@MicheleCorbat
@kenoc7
@aj_hartley1
@RodneyHetherton
@JoyKirr
@rggillespie
@MichelleTelliga
@hhschiaravalli
In reply to @MicheleCorbat, @kenoc7, @aj_hartley1, @RodneyHetherton, @JoyKirr, @rggillespie, @MichelleTelliga, @hhschiaravalli
hhschiaravalli
Nov 7 @ 9:56 PM EST
A7: I'm going plan the next meeting with my
#sblchat
group reading
@TomSchimmer
. A journey of a 1000 miles...
#colchat
In reply to @TomSchimmer
DRich0696
Nov 7 @ 9:57 PM EST
Thanks
@kenoc7
and the
#COLchat
crew for a great hour of learning.
@MicheleCorbat
@RodneyHetherton
@aj_hartley1
In reply to @kenoc7, @MicheleCorbat, @RodneyHetherton, @aj_hartley1
kenoc7
Nov 7 @ 9:57 PM EST
Thanks to
@MicheleCorbat
&
@RodneyHetherton
for opportunity & guidance & to all in
#COLchat
. Now to bed - 4 AM alarm for 6.30 flight!
RodneyHetherton
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:55 PM EST
A huge
#COLchat
thank you to
@kenoc7
for leading us tonight!
@MicheleCorbat
@aj_hartley1
In reply to @kenoc7, @MicheleCorbat, @aj_hartley1
conniehamilton
Nov 7 @ 9:57 PM EST
Doesn't make it right...
#COLchat
kwhobbes
Nov 7 @ 9:56 PM EST
@MicheleCorbat
that's already happening in different places! Recess isn't what it use to be!
In reply to @conniehamilton, @MicheleCorbat
TrueNorthCG
Nov 7 @ 9:57 PM EST
#EDpiper
firing off in minutes! 9PM CST
#WeLeadEd
#BmoreEdchat
#edtechafterdark
#tlap
#colchat
MrsMcBee4CCE
Nov 7 @ 9:27 PM EST
Need a place to learn from a diverse group of amazing folks? Join the
#EDpiper
chat in about 30 minutes!
MandyVasek
Nov 7 @ 6:57 PM EST
In just a few hours, join
#EDpiper
to discuss embracing change and taking risks. 9 PM CST. Invite others to join!
BradLatzke
Nov 7 @ 9:57 PM EST
Thx
@kenoc7
& moderators for tonight's chat.
#colchat
In reply to @kenoc7
Jim_Kitchen
Nov 7 @ 9:57 PM EST
But he can Whip Nae Nae!
#colchat
@RodneyHetherton
In reply to @RodneyHetherton
RodneyHetherton
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:47 PM EST
Well, that is a lofty compliment. And I can't do Sound of Music. ;-)
#COLchat
In reply to @JoyKirr, @rickwormeli2
CindyWarber
Nov 7 @ 9:57 PM EST
A7: My 1st marking period grades are due Wed. I will make sure it only reflects mastery of standards, no behavior or practice
#colchat
jtmehr
Nov 7 @ 9:57 PM EST
A6 Traditional grading is an ambiguous score. In life&career it is about what you can really achieve.SBG reflects true achievement.
#COLchat
TamraDollar
Nov 7 @ 9:58 PM EST
@kenoc
Thank you for sharing your expertise! I learned so much this evening about grading practices.
#colchat
In reply to @KenoC
RodneyHetherton
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:58 PM EST
#truth
#colchat
And I can pick things up and put them down!
In reply to @Jim_Kitchen
TamraDollar
Nov 7 @ 9:58 PM EST
@kenoc7
Thank you for sharing your expertise! I learned so much this evening about grading practices.
#colchat
In reply to @kenoc7
hhschiaravalli
Nov 7 @ 9:58 PM EST
Thanks to
@kenoc7
for making the past 11 years of my life so interesting
#colchat
In reply to @kenoc7
WriteOnJulie
Nov 7 @ 9:58 PM EST
Thank you
#COLchat
#teacheredchat
&
#tlap
for great chats tonight! I love learning from you all!
conniehamilton
Nov 7 @ 9:59 PM EST
Related conversation and topic for Dec 5
#COLchat
, I'd like to invite you to the Hacking Homework book study, if you're interested.
MicheleCorbat
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:59 PM EST
Thank YOU
@kenoc7
for your work as a pioneer to shift the paradigm from a culture of grading to a culture of learning!
#COLchat
kenoc7
Nov 7 @ 9:57 PM EST
Thanks to
@MicheleCorbat
&
@RodneyHetherton
for opportunity & guidance & to all in
#COLchat
. Now to bed - 4 AM alarm for 6.30 flight!
RodneyHetherton
- Moderator
Nov 7 @ 9:55 PM EST
A huge
#COLchat
thank you to
@kenoc7
for leading us tonight!
@MicheleCorbat
@aj_hartley1
In reply to @kenoc7, @MicheleCorbat, @aj_hartley1
