#mschat Archive

A chat that offers middle school teachers a chance to have a collaborative discussion about a different topic each week. Our topics change from week to week, ranging from Common Core State Standards to Character Education. During the chat, participants exchanges ideas and resources. The chat group ranges in size each week from 10 to 50+ participants. Discussion can be general talking about instructional style or process to specific. Recently members of the chat group help each other create lessons.
Thursday April 27, 2017
8:00 PM EDT
  • blocht574 - Moderator Apr 27 @ 8:00 PM EDT
    It is 8 pm ET welcome to #mschat We will be tackling tests tonight!
  • iconohash Apr 27 @ 8:00 PM EDT
    Your daily conversation report is ready for #mschat for Apr 26th https://t.co/Qy0YwXV62b
  • blocht574 - Moderator Apr 27 @ 8:01 PM EDT
    My Latest post on testing season #mschat https://t.co/1pfh8IRfmb Prompted the topic tonight
  • mmoran16edu Apr 27 @ 8:01 PM EDT
    Good to be here! Mike, a student from Kent State University #mschat
    In reply to @blocht574
  • JoveStickel Apr 27 @ 8:01 PM EDT
    Jove MS Principal from MO hoping that we tackle state testing this week #mschat
  • blocht574 - Moderator Apr 27 @ 8:01 PM EDT
    Awesome thanks for joining! Make sure you use the hashtag if you want everyone to see your comments and interact #mschat
    In reply to @heystryker
  • blocht574 - Moderator Apr 27 @ 8:02 PM EDT
    Let's get started with introductions! Todd here 7th grade science teacher and chat organizer #mschat
  • blocht574 - Moderator Apr 27 @ 8:02 PM EDT
    Thanks for joining in! #mschat
    In reply to @mmoran16edu
  • blocht574 - Moderator Apr 27 @ 8:02 PM EDT
    Good evening Jove, we have two weeks in but more to go (lasts over a month for us) #mschat
    In reply to @JoveStickel
  • BrysonBridget Apr 27 @ 8:02 PM EDT
    Oh no! Not tests 😂😁. Bridget from GA here - 6th grade ELA #gladtestingisover #backtonormal #testingseasonexhaustion #mschat
  • breanneg2011 Apr 27 @ 8:02 PM EDT
    Breanne here from KY. 7th Grade Math Teacher! #mschat
  • BayleeKnippling Apr 27 @ 8:03 PM EDT
    I'm Baylee Knippling and I'm student teaching in Vermillion, SD! #mschat
  • Mr_Lisek Apr 27 @ 8:03 PM EDT
    Ryan from Flint, MI. 6/7 Social Studies. Glad to join you all for #mschat!
  • SusZanti5 Apr 27 @ 8:03 PM EDT
    Good evening, Susan, Seocndary instructional coach, from Loudoun county VA #mschat
  • blocht574 - Moderator Apr 27 @ 8:03 PM EDT
    Glad you are thru the test season my 7th grade is just getting started #mschat
    In reply to @BrysonBridget
  • blocht574 - Moderator Apr 27 @ 8:03 PM EDT
    Good evening Rya #mschat
    In reply to @Mr_Lisek
  • blocht574 - Moderator Apr 27 @ 8:03 PM EDT
    Thanks for joining in #mschat
    In reply to @BayleeKnippling
  • blocht574 - Moderator Apr 27 @ 8:03 PM EDT
    Good evening Susan #mschat
    In reply to @SusZanti5
  • Mr_Lisek Apr 27 @ 8:03 PM EDT
    Hope all is well, Todd! #mschat
    In reply to @blocht574
  • blocht574 - Moderator Apr 27 @ 8:04 PM EDT
    Busy but that makes things good! #mschat
    In reply to @Mr_Lisek
  • blocht574 - Moderator Apr 27 @ 8:04 PM EDT
    Ready for M-Step next week with 7th grade? #mschat
    In reply to @Mr_Lisek
  • blocht574 - Moderator Apr 27 @ 8:05 PM EDT
    We will be using the standard Q1 ...A1 format tonight #mschat feel free to add your questions to the room
  • SusZanti5 Apr 27 @ 8:05 PM EDT
    Hi Todd! #mschat
  • BradLatzke Apr 27 @ 8:05 PM EDT
    Brad in Bangkok joining #mschat. Also wrote recently on testing. https://t.co/YSFZIMzIoT
  • blocht574 - Moderator Apr 27 @ 8:06 PM EDT
    A quick pro-con read about testing! https://t.co/e1o8jKPlsM #mschat
  • blocht574 - Moderator Apr 27 @ 8:07 PM EDT
    Questions loaded and ready to fly #mschat Q1 coming right up
  • blocht574 - Moderator Apr 27 @ 8:07 PM EDT
    Saved to read later thanks for sharing and joining us Brad #mschat
    In reply to @BradLatzke
  • Teachr4 Apr 27 @ 8:07 PM EDT
    Leigh Anne 6th grade ELA from Indiana sneaking for a few minutes. #mschat
  • blocht574 - Moderator Apr 27 @ 8:08 PM EDT
    Q1: How can Teachers encourage students to do their best, while not add stress to students lives? #mschat
  • blocht574 - Moderator Apr 27 @ 8:08 PM EDT
    opps Not adding stress to lives! #mschat
  • blocht574 - Moderator Apr 27 @ 8:09 PM EDT
    A1: Try to make sure students are prepared and aware that test is just a snap shot of one day. (and we all have bad pic days!) #mschat
  • Teachr4 Apr 27 @ 8:09 PM EDT
    A1 It all starts with relationships. Ss will want to do well for teachers they respect. #mschat
  • breanneg2011 Apr 27 @ 8:09 PM EDT
    A1 Ts can celebrate the little things. Give the Ss motivation to want to. They'll give you their best when they know you care! #mschat
  • SusZanti5 Apr 27 @ 8:10 PM EDT
    A1: Listen well-always remain positive-be proactive and encouraging-step back and let Ss discover learning #mschat
  • BayleeKnippling Apr 27 @ 8:10 PM EDT
    A1: I think the biggest thing that can help is making learning fun and sneaking in the content so they don't think they're learning. #mschat
  • blocht574 - Moderator Apr 27 @ 8:10 PM EDT
    YES agreed but sometimes that adds stress and makes some students upset when they don't do as well as they expected. #mschat
    In reply to @Teachr4
  • mmoran16edu Apr 27 @ 8:10 PM EDT
    A1: Make small improvements on content in order to promote small amounts of learning to avoid stress #mschat
  • blocht574 - Moderator Apr 27 @ 8:11 PM EDT
    Agreed Learning has to be FUN but are the standardized high stakes tests? not really #mschat
    In reply to @BayleeKnippling
  • BradLatzke Apr 27 @ 8:11 PM EDT
    Please re-post Q1. #mschat
  • BrysonBridget Apr 27 @ 8:11 PM EDT
    A1: overall mssge from school is key. One more day to show what u know vs chants, pep rallies and bribes - not a fan of all that! #mschat
  • Teachr4 Apr 27 @ 8:11 PM EDT
    A1 If we teach students to be critical readers & writers through the year, testing season is less stressful for all. #mschat
  • Teachr4 Apr 27 @ 8:12 PM EDT
    Absolutely! #mschat
    In reply to @breanneg2011
  • JoveStickel Apr 27 @ 8:12 PM EDT
    A1 Begins with creating a culture & atmosphere of testing being a way to gain data about what S know & don't know not about results #mschat
  • Beyond_the_Desk Apr 27 @ 8:12 PM EDT
    A1: If we do the best we can to make those kinds of questions/thinking part of day-to-day, they'll feel confident & ready #mschat
  • mrskochheiser Apr 27 @ 8:12 PM EDT
    Hi #mschat Kristin from Lansing, MI 6th grade ELA and SS. A1) Talk about pride in work & that they've already practiced all yr
  • blocht574 - Moderator Apr 27 @ 8:12 PM EDT
    A1: Model process, take time and allow students to talk about stresses it relieves them #mschat
  • blocht574 - Moderator Apr 27 @ 8:13 PM EDT
    Thanks for joining in Kristin #mschat
    In reply to @mrskochheiser
  • BayleeKnippling Apr 27 @ 8:13 PM EDT
    I completely agree! I think sneaking in those test taking strategies while they're learning is huge and so is Ss confidence #mschat
    In reply to @blocht574
  • Mr_Lisek Apr 27 @ 8:14 PM EDT
    A1: I always tell the Ss not to worry about scores or results. Just ask them to give their best. Talk about all the +s from year. #mschat
  • mrskochheiser Apr 27 @ 8:14 PM EDT
    Finally a Thursday w/o conflicts! Rare! :) Glad to be here! #mschat
    In reply to @blocht574
  • breanneg2011 Apr 27 @ 8:14 PM EDT
    Perfectly said! Need to demystify the test! Sometimes they hear test so much it turns into a huge thing when they've put in so much #mschat
    In reply to @Teachr4
  • Beyond_the_Desk Apr 27 @ 8:14 PM EDT
    Yes, but w/ balance. I think we need to make the academic targets clear so they know what they're reaching toward. Visible learning. #mschat
    In reply to @BayleeKnippling
  • BrysonBridget Apr 27 @ 8:14 PM EDT
    A1.2 I told my Ss that it was celebration of what they knew-chance to show off. Don't know if they bought it, but rm was relaxed 😂 #mschat
  • blocht574 - Moderator Apr 27 @ 8:15 PM EDT
    YES Key is to focus on positive and WHAT their growth areas are #mschat
    In reply to @Mr_Lisek
  • blocht574 - Moderator Apr 27 @ 8:15 PM EDT
    A1: Remind students of all the ways they have grown during year: Socially, Emotionally, Physically and intellectually #mschat
  • skeeTX Apr 27 @ 8:17 PM EDT
    A1: Ts need to find a way to intrinsically motivate Ss by finding out what matters to them. Need relationship to do so #mschat
  • blocht574 - Moderator Apr 27 @ 8:17 PM EDT
    Yes those relationships do go a long way in education! #mschat
    In reply to @skeeTX
  • blocht574 - Moderator Apr 27 @ 8:18 PM EDT
    Q2: What do standardize test really tell us? #mschat How quickly do Ts and Ss need results?
  • kennethdward Apr 27 @ 8:18 PM EDT
    A1 Starts with an atmosphere built around learning & not just completing the process! #mschat
  • stupidtalk Apr 27 @ 8:18 PM EDT
    my last school principal announced May1 that it was testing season. that's 1/5 of our school year #mschat
  • kennethdward Apr 27 @ 8:19 PM EDT
    A2 Standardized tests give us truth but only part of the truth. The data is needed as absolutely soon as possible #mschat
  • skeeTX Apr 27 @ 8:19 PM EDT
    A2: tests give us data from an exercise done on a given day. They don't say anything a/b Ss emotions/state of mind on that day #mschat
  • blocht574 - Moderator Apr 27 @ 8:19 PM EDT
    A2: Snapshot of where student's learning is ... would be great to get results instantaneously .... Feedback should be ASAP #mschat
  • BayleeKnippling Apr 27 @ 8:19 PM EDT
    A2: I think it would benefit Ts and Ss if results were posted right away, b/c you can tell what needs/doesn't need to be changed #mschat
  • BradLatzke Apr 27 @ 8:19 PM EDT
    A2 Standardized test results tell us how well students do on standardized tests. #mschat
  • mmoran16edu Apr 27 @ 8:19 PM EDT
    A2: Me being a student still, not sure what it tells us. Seems like it tells us how well students can memorize #mschat
  • Beyond_the_Desk Apr 27 @ 8:20 PM EDT
    A2: I think they're honestly more abt govt accountability. Get our usable data from formative & benchmark testing in-house #mschat
  • JoveStickel Apr 27 @ 8:20 PM EDT
    A2 feedback needs to come back to us quicker and with IBD prior to the next year but often doesn't. #mschat
  • breanneg2011 Apr 27 @ 8:20 PM EDT
    A2 STs give us data on one particular day. Valid but there's still some variables. I want the results before next school year...cont #mschat
  • BrysonBridget Apr 27 @ 8:21 PM EDT
    As compared to the week before winter break? First semester already over #mschat
    In reply to @blocht574
  • blocht574 - Moderator Apr 27 @ 8:21 PM EDT
    A2: Only tells us what is being measured.. Most standardized tests are limited in what they measure #mschat
  • breanneg2011 Apr 27 @ 8:21 PM EDT
    A2cont: Id rather start my year off fixing things that didn't go wrong rather than wait for the results a couple of months later. #mschat
  • mrskochheiser Apr 27 @ 8:21 PM EDT
    A2) Standardized tests are a snapshot of one day in time; immediate results like NWEA more helpful than those 8 mo later like MSTEP #mschat
  • stupidtalk Apr 27 @ 8:21 PM EDT
    A2. almost nothing. #mschat
  • JoveStickel Apr 27 @ 8:21 PM EDT
    A2 cont. I don't think standardized tests can give us an accuarate view of all student knowledge not differentiated for learners #mschat
  • blocht574 - Moderator Apr 27 @ 8:22 PM EDT
    YEAH sadly we got scores in December from last spring ... not very helpful #mschat
    In reply to @BrysonBridget
  • blocht574 - Moderator Apr 27 @ 8:22 PM EDT
    A2: Our students have so many skills/talents that will never be measured by a standardized test!!! #mschat
  • breanneg2011 Apr 27 @ 8:22 PM EDT
    A2: STs don't tell us how much worth a S has, how successful they will be in the future, or how much they are capable of all yr long #mschat
  • BradLatzke Apr 27 @ 8:22 PM EDT
    And little or no value in analyzing results to improve learning during current school year. #mschat
    • stupidtalk Apr 27 @ 8:18 PM EDT
      my last school principal announced May1 that it was testing season. that's 1/5 of our school year #mschat
  • mrskochheiser Apr 27 @ 8:22 PM EDT
    We just got scores, but nothing for our own classes #mschat
    In reply to @blocht574, @BrysonBridget
  • skeeTX Apr 27 @ 8:22 PM EDT
    How many employees take standardized tests in their given field? #mschat
  • stupidtalk Apr 27 @ 8:22 PM EDT
    they inform of us of socioeconomic status and parent involvement #mschat
  • Beyond_the_Desk Apr 27 @ 8:23 PM EDT
    A2 cont: Results can help us see broad strengths/weaknesses but too late for ind instr use #mschat
  • kennethdward Apr 27 @ 8:23 PM EDT
    gosh, we won't get scores from this year until Oct. We thought that was terrible. Yikes! #mschat
  • BrysonBridget Apr 27 @ 8:23 PM EDT
    A2.2 I understand breadth of data creating a statewide - maybe district - picture, but otherwise, not too much to help me plan! #mschat
  • blocht574 - Moderator Apr 27 @ 8:23 PM EDT
    SAD ... I also hate how we compare this yrs students to previous ... NO HELP to instruction #mschat
    In reply to @mrskochheiser, @BrysonBridget
  • breanneg2011 Apr 27 @ 8:23 PM EDT
    A2: We know differentiated inst. is necessary for effective teaching and learning. When will we decide STs don't work for all too?! #mschat
  • Mr_Lisek Apr 27 @ 8:24 PM EDT
    A2: Standardized tests provide one point of the triangulation of data to understand Ss proficiency level. #mschat
  • blocht574 - Moderator Apr 27 @ 8:25 PM EDT
    YEAH it was new test/system but supposed to give us faster feedback, state trying to fix #mschat
    In reply to @kennethdward
  • BradLatzke Apr 27 @ 8:25 PM EDT
    Did poorly on adult test? Take it over again without penalty. High stakes testing in school is one shot, pressure ladened. #mschat
    • skeeTX Apr 27 @ 8:22 PM EDT
      How many employees take standardized tests in their given field? #mschat
  • BrysonBridget Apr 27 @ 8:25 PM EDT
    Coming from the U.K. I am used to national tests - but they meant sthg & mattered. Very different concept. #mschat
  • mrskochheiser Apr 27 @ 8:25 PM EDT
    Exactly. Many T contracts moving toward merit pay based on these one day snapshots. Hard to improve w/ old data on Ss who are gone.#mschat
    In reply to @blocht574, @BrysonBridget
  • blocht574 - Moderator Apr 27 @ 8:26 PM EDT
    A2: really struggle when states are compared that take completely different tests .. really need to look at student growth #mschat
  • kennethdward Apr 27 @ 8:27 PM EDT
    Pay based on test scores is BAD! Not what those tests were designed to do. #mschat
    • mrskochheiser Apr 27 @ 8:25 PM EDT
      Exactly. Many T contracts moving toward merit pay based on these one day snapshots. Hard to improve w/ old data on Ss who are gone.#mschat
      In reply to @blocht574, @BrysonBridget
  • blocht574 - Moderator Apr 27 @ 8:27 PM EDT
    Merit pay is an entirely other mess in education ... Could be another couple hour chat #mschat
    In reply to @mrskochheiser, @BrysonBridget
  • BayleeKnippling Apr 27 @ 8:28 PM EDT
    A2: Some test makers are only based in one state, so the tests are biased in the info, but it's hard to get Ss to see past that #mschat
  • kennethdward Apr 27 @ 8:28 PM EDT
    Also makes it hard to get T's to focus on student learning which will get good test scores instead everyone is focused on the TEST! #mschat
    • mrskochheiser Apr 27 @ 8:25 PM EDT
      Exactly. Many T contracts moving toward merit pay based on these one day snapshots. Hard to improve w/ old data on Ss who are gone.#mschat
      In reply to @blocht574, @BrysonBridget
  • blocht574 - Moderator Apr 27 @ 8:29 PM EDT
    Q3: How can schools educate parents about testing, their purpose and what to do with results? #mschat
  • RustyMayInc Apr 27 @ 8:29 PM EDT
    Joining late Rusty here, National Teacher Trainer #mschat
  • mrskochheiser Apr 27 @ 8:29 PM EDT
    Today is our district's 300th day w/o contract. Want pay and steps tied to standardized test scores, and more. #mschat
    In reply to @kennethdward
  • RustyMayInc Apr 27 @ 8:30 PM EDT
    A1 Stres is an important part of life and learning. We should teach Ss bow to deal with stress. #mschat
  • OnPointEdu Apr 27 @ 8:30 PM EDT
    8 Ways to Celebrate Arbor Day at Work: https://t.co/iE9zceGh9V #edtech #edchat #elemchat #mschat #hschat #arborday
  • mrskochheiser Apr 27 @ 8:30 PM EDT
    Indeed, that is the truth! #mschat
    In reply to @blocht574, @BrysonBridget
  • blocht574 - Moderator Apr 27 @ 8:30 PM EDT
    You bring a valid point but students have so much real stress in life/school .. tests should not add to it! #mschat
    In reply to @RustyMayInc
  • BayleeKnippling Apr 27 @ 8:30 PM EDT
    A3: 1) have a meeting with Ts, not Principals to teach how to analyze results 2) send info home or mock results and an analysis #mschat
  • BrysonBridget Apr 27 @ 8:31 PM EDT
    A3: my P sent awesome lttr to Ps - how test was a snapshot in time, that the tching was done & Ss job was gd night sleep & bfast #mschat
  • breanneg2011 Apr 27 @ 8:31 PM EDT
    A3 Inform Ps that their test results don't make their child. Explain what it's for. Realize it's just a broad view on a certain day #mschat
  • blocht574 - Moderator Apr 27 @ 8:31 PM EDT
    A ... YUCK ... what test scores could they tie them to for band, gym, SS etc?? #mschat
    In reply to @mrskochheiser, @kennethdward
  • skeeTX Apr 27 @ 8:31 PM EDT
    A3: It is but one aspect of schooling. Ss are not just data points, they're people capable of extraordinary things w/ right tools #mschat
  • BradLatzke Apr 27 @ 8:31 PM EDT
    This so misguided, misinformed and debases learning in favor of testing. #mschat
    • mrskochheiser Apr 27 @ 8:29 PM EDT
      Today is our district's 300th day w/o contract. Want pay and steps tied to standardized test scores, and more. #mschat
      In reply to @kennethdward
  • MrsEmily34 Apr 27 @ 8:32 PM EDT
    #mschat is there an #mschat going now?
  • blocht574 - Moderator Apr 27 @ 8:33 PM EDT
    We are hear talking about tests #mschat
    In reply to @MrsEmily34
  • mmoran16edu Apr 27 @ 8:33 PM EDT
    A3: Not sure how to approach this but would love to hear tips for myself, being a future teacher #mschat
  • Mr_Lisek Apr 27 @ 8:33 PM EDT
    A3: Inviting Ps to an info night at school, with fun family events planned for after info. Show Ps mock results and what they mean. #mschat
  • GeoSpiegs Apr 27 @ 8:33 PM EDT
    Can't believe I made it to #mschat!!
  • kennethdward Apr 27 @ 8:34 PM EDT
    In Okla. we no longer have evals tied to test scores, no value added model, only fed required tests plus US history. #pendulumswing #mschat
    • blocht574 - Moderator Apr 27 @ 8:31 PM EDT
      A ... YUCK ... what test scores could they tie them to for band, gym, SS etc?? #mschat
      In reply to @mrskochheiser, @kennethdward
  • blocht574 - Moderator Apr 27 @ 8:34 PM EDT
    A3: Schools need to let parents know tests are used to check learn but aren't always tied to curriculum taught #mschat
  • blocht574 - Moderator Apr 27 @ 8:34 PM EDT
    PETE you made it! Glad to see you old friend #mschat
    In reply to @GeoSpiegs
  • Beyond_the_Desk Apr 27 @ 8:34 PM EDT
    A3: Empathize & be honest. Say yes scores matter, yes we want ss to give best, yes stan testing is imperfect, but learning comes 1st #mschat
  • TeacherRunner42 Apr 27 @ 8:34 PM EDT
    i just got here too! #mschat
    In reply to @GeoSpiegs
  • blocht574 - Moderator Apr 27 @ 8:35 PM EDT
    many times scores really matter for school and teacher not so much for student (especially in ms) #mschat
    In reply to @Beyond_the_Desk
  • GeoSpiegs Apr 27 @ 8:35 PM EDT
    A3: even teachers & admins should take a step back, breathe... and say together: "it's just a test" Then tell parents that, too #mschat
  • BayleeKnippling Apr 27 @ 8:35 PM EDT
    They can also stress that it doesn't define their child's intelligence too, but I definitely agree with you as well #mschat
    In reply to @Mr_Lisek
  • GeoSpiegs Apr 27 @ 8:35 PM EDT
    It's been waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too long #mschat
    In reply to @blocht574
  • Beyond_the_Desk Apr 27 @ 8:36 PM EDT
    Yes, we often neglect to explain results. All this emphasis on TAKING the test, then... #mschat
    In reply to @Mr_Lisek
  • BrysonBridget Apr 27 @ 8:36 PM EDT
    A3.2. Not too much. The more we explain and fuss, the more the P start worrying and pressuring. Simple explain, relaxed attitude #mschat
  • blocht574 - Moderator Apr 27 @ 8:36 PM EDT
    Q4: Do test scores REALLY matter? When? and for who? #mschat
  • GeoSpiegs Apr 27 @ 8:36 PM EDT
    Did you bring me cookies? #mschat
    In reply to @TeacherRunner42
  • mrskochheiser Apr 27 @ 8:36 PM EDT
    A3) I send out a @SmorePages newsletter w/info, tips, keep it upbeat; at conf. I talk about how the tests are only 1 piece of info #mschat
  • TeacherRunner42 Apr 27 @ 8:36 PM EDT
    a3: it's important to explain that one test on one day can't tell everything about your child #mschat
  • Braz74 Apr 27 @ 8:37 PM EDT
    join #sstlap 8CST to talk about Field Trips we will be mapping destinations https://t.co/nVDsOqI5Pi #globaledchat #mschat
  • TeacherRunner42 Apr 27 @ 8:37 PM EDT
    I just ran a 10k for 'funzies' - I think this should go the other way! :) #mschat
    In reply to @GeoSpiegs
  • blocht574 - Moderator Apr 27 @ 8:37 PM EDT
    Follow the #mschat hashtag and see if you can contribute, more than welcome to join the conversation #mschat
    In reply to @MrsEmily34
  • BradLatzke Apr 27 @ 8:37 PM EDT
    How many schools collaboratively analyze standardized test results to improve teaching/learning practices? #mschat
  • GeoSpiegs Apr 27 @ 8:37 PM EDT
    A4 No. Not in what really matters in education. They are hoops. There are bigger "tests" in our students' lives #mschat
  • mrs_abud Apr 27 @ 8:37 PM EDT
    A4: They should only be one marker. Real world application and alternative forms of showing mastery are key! #mschat
  • Mr_Lisek Apr 27 @ 8:37 PM EDT
    Exactly! Ss and Ps need to be informed about every aspect of standardized test. #mschat
    In reply to @Beyond_the_Desk
  • EduGladiators Apr 27 @ 8:38 PM EDT
    ⁉️Are you really building Ss ldrs? Join us SATURDAY w/@mathieu_w #mschat #UrbanEdChat #teachmindful #globaledchat #kyedchat #G2Great #WB4K
  • Beyond_the_Desk Apr 27 @ 8:38 PM EDT
    Agreed. We ❤️ our community school, so we care for good of our school. No pressure from the school. Just a close-knit community. #mschat
    In reply to @blocht574
  • skeeTX Apr 27 @ 8:38 PM EDT
    A4: as long as schools use them as a component for admission, yes. Or, if $$$ is tied to test results, yes. Don't like either #mschat
  • breanneg2011 Apr 27 @ 8:38 PM EDT
    A4: The test definitely matters & I am all for the accountability. just don't like the weight it places on all stakeholders #mschat
  • rickwormeli2 Apr 27 @ 8:38 PM EDT
    A4: It depends on the validity of the test, and how those scores are used -- diagnostically or punitively. #mschat
    In reply to @blocht574
  • GeoSpiegs Apr 27 @ 8:38 PM EDT
    I'm running my first half marathon in June. #mschat
    In reply to @TeacherRunner42
  • BayleeKnippling Apr 27 @ 8:38 PM EDT
    A4: Honestly, I think it's for the competition that schools are in. Community, State, Country and World comps that shouldn't exist #mschat
  • mrs_abud Apr 27 @ 8:38 PM EDT
    So late coming in. Janice from MI #mschat
  • blocht574 - Moderator Apr 27 @ 8:38 PM EDT
    We try for on 2 hour PD a year but then it gets individualized and lost in other PD #mschat
    In reply to @BradLatzke
  • BrysonBridget Apr 27 @ 8:38 PM EDT
    A4: I'm still trying to figure that out! #mschat
  • TeacherRunner42 Apr 27 @ 8:38 PM EDT
    CONGRATS! which one where? #mschat #rabbithole
    In reply to @GeoSpiegs
  • watertankmath Apr 27 @ 8:38 PM EDT
    #Mschat and #delachat going on now, Watertank Math from KS checking in to follow the chatter! #math #mtbos #homeschool
  • kennethdward Apr 27 @ 8:38 PM EDT
    A4 test scores matter if we don't attach stakes and we get immediate feedback. Assessment for learning is good stuff. #mschat
  • blocht574 - Moderator Apr 27 @ 8:39 PM EDT
    Great point Rick... #mschat
    In reply to @rickwormeli2
  • GeoSpiegs Apr 27 @ 8:39 PM EDT
    There's a central Maine half in my town of Hallowell (my wife is the race director) #mschat
    In reply to @TeacherRunner42
  • mrskochheiser Apr 27 @ 8:39 PM EDT
    #6thchat join #mschat now about standardized testing--you'll recognize many friends here!
  • Beyond_the_Desk Apr 27 @ 8:39 PM EDT
    We do. It's a big part of our SIP #mschat
    In reply to @BradLatzke
  • TeacherRunner42 Apr 27 @ 8:39 PM EDT
    a4: no. There are SO MANY ways to keep schools and teachers accountable. We can't give EVERY child the same test for accountability #mschat
  • blocht574 - Moderator Apr 27 @ 8:39 PM EDT
    A4: TOO often scores are use to punish schools/teachers and not used to help students grown .... THIS needs to change! #mschat
  • mmoran16edu Apr 27 @ 8:40 PM EDT
    A4: It seems that they are important, but not for the right reasons. Application should be promoted more #mschat
  • RossCoops31 Apr 27 @ 8:40 PM EDT
    5 Non-Negotiables of Project Based Learning Professional Development via @educationweek #education #mschat #byotchat https://t.co/YMRukWxoSX
  • kennethdward Apr 27 @ 8:40 PM EDT
    Yes I know, most if not all standardized testing is none of what I said. #mschat
    • kennethdward Apr 27 @ 8:38 PM EDT
      A4 test scores matter if we don't attach stakes and we get immediate feedback. Assessment for learning is good stuff. #mschat
  • JoveStickel Apr 27 @ 8:40 PM EDT
    A4 Test scores aren't the be all end all if they were I wouldn't have made it to where I am & neither would the best Ts I know #mschat
  • Beyond_the_Desk Apr 27 @ 8:40 PM EDT
    Exactly. It just got WAY too big. #mschat
    In reply to @breanneg2011
  • mrs_abud Apr 27 @ 8:40 PM EDT
    A3: Share reasons, provide understandings of the data. Use it as a stepping stone for connection to content. Be open. #mschat
  • TeacherRunner42 Apr 27 @ 8:40 PM EDT
    THIS a billion times. Test scores should be used to reflect and improve not punish and attack #mschat #tlap
    • blocht574 - Moderator Apr 27 @ 8:39 PM EDT
      A4: TOO often scores are use to punish schools/teachers and not used to help students grown .... THIS needs to change! #mschat
  • Mr_Lisek Apr 27 @ 8:41 PM EDT
    A4: STs should not matter as much as they, do. They should be another cog to drive instruction. Maybe in the future...? #mschat
  • Beyond_the_Desk Apr 27 @ 8:41 PM EDT
    Our state will take over schools w/ low scores, but state-run schools aren't improving either. Definitely fear that! #mschat
    In reply to @rickwormeli2, @blocht574
  • rickwormeli2 Apr 27 @ 8:41 PM EDT
    #mschat 'Respectful pushback: Testing merely for accountability is not why we do testing. 'Holding sts accountable not a constructive goal.
    In reply to @breanneg2011
  • MintonHistory Apr 27 @ 8:41 PM EDT
    Who is the moderator #mschat
  • BayleeKnippling Apr 27 @ 8:42 PM EDT
    A4: If you don't have the accountability for teachers, we can't expect our students to have accountability for learning #mschat
  • Mr_Lisek Apr 27 @ 8:42 PM EDT
    Moderator is Todd (@blocht574) #mschat
    In reply to @MintonHistory, @blocht574
  • JoveStickel Apr 27 @ 8:42 PM EDT
    A4 standardized tests lack consistency. Accountability is great but only if tests can be fairly created and prepared for #mschat
  • MrsEmily34 Apr 27 @ 8:42 PM EDT
    #mschat #edse457 @profhsieh
  • mrskochheiser Apr 27 @ 8:42 PM EDT
    A4) Focusing on scores w/o focusing on overall growth is detrimental to developing a #growthmindset in Ss. One day, one moment #mschat
  • kennethdward Apr 27 @ 8:43 PM EDT
    Many have clearly lost sight of the goal, student learning! #mschat
    • rickwormeli2 Apr 27 @ 8:41 PM EDT
      #mschat 'Respectful pushback: Testing merely for accountability is not why we do testing. 'Holding sts accountable not a constructive goal.
      In reply to @breanneg2011
  • Jeremybballer Apr 27 @ 8:43 PM EDT
    What question are we on folks? Late start...but I'm here. #mschat
  • Beyond_the_Desk Apr 27 @ 8:44 PM EDT
    I'm not against accountability. We are publicly funded, after all. It's the how, how big, and what next that bothers me #mschat
  • TeacherRunner42 Apr 27 @ 8:44 PM EDT
    a4) No - richer Ss have access to outside test prep and resources others don't - not a level field, doesn't acc't for the classroom #mschat
  • rickwormeli2 Apr 27 @ 8:44 PM EDT
    #mschat Think about that for a moment: We have to monitor teachers to make sure they're doing the right thing. 'Insulting to a professional.
    In reply to @BayleeKnippling
  • blocht574 - Moderator Apr 27 @ 8:44 PM EDT
    Similar situation here too! #mschat
    In reply to @Beyond_the_Desk, @rickwormeli2
  • mrs_abud Apr 27 @ 8:44 PM EDT
    A1: Focus on growth! Allow students to know where they start, but also focus on where they can go. #mschat
  • BrysonBridget Apr 27 @ 8:45 PM EDT
    quote from S this yr, "Mom said this test cd affect yr job, MrsB. That's not fair, what if I have a bad day?" I told S no worries😩 #mschat
  • rickwormeli2 Apr 27 @ 8:45 PM EDT
    #mschat It's true that many set up tests because they believe this way, but wow, it doesn't treat teachers as knowledgeable professionals.
    In reply to @BayleeKnippling
  • Mr_Lisek Apr 27 @ 8:45 PM EDT
    We are on Q4. #mschat
    In reply to @Jeremybballer
  • skeeTX Apr 27 @ 8:45 PM EDT
    Yes, how can we quantify/analyze how well our public schools & Ss are doing? #mschat
    In reply to @Beyond_the_Desk
  • TeacherRunner42 Apr 27 @ 8:46 PM EDT
    but how can you discern what the Ss learned in the classroom and what they learned from a $700 test prep course? #mschat
    In reply to @skeeTX, @Beyond_the_Desk
  • blocht574 - Moderator Apr 27 @ 8:46 PM EDT
    Agree Rick! Professional educators are accountable to the students ... need to do right by them not test scores #mschat
    In reply to @rickwormeli2, @BayleeKnippling
  • MrsEmily34 Apr 27 @ 8:46 PM EDT
    #mschat it's so wrong that schools in urban areas especially, are penalized, lose finding etc for low test scores. Kids r more than scores
    • blocht574 - Moderator Apr 27 @ 8:39 PM EDT
      A4: TOO often scores are use to punish schools/teachers and not used to help students grown .... THIS needs to change! #mschat
  • Beyond_the_Desk Apr 27 @ 8:46 PM EDT
    And an assessment could be a reasonable part of that. But not the way it currently is. Needs real overhaul and scaled WAY back. #mschat
    In reply to @skeeTX
  • rickwormeli2 Apr 27 @ 8:46 PM EDT
    #mschat Agreed.
    In reply to @breanneg2011
  • BradLatzke Apr 27 @ 8:46 PM EDT
    On comparative note, U.S. has never done well on international standardized testing. #mschat
  • kennethdward Apr 27 @ 8:46 PM EDT
    similar to building in punishments for S's when the assignment is made because we think they won't do it if we don't. #mschat
    • rickwormeli2 Apr 27 @ 8:44 PM EDT
      #mschat Think about that for a moment: We have to monitor teachers to make sure they're doing the right thing. 'Insulting to a professional.
      In reply to @BayleeKnippling
  • blocht574 - Moderator Apr 27 @ 8:46 PM EDT
    Getting there next! #mschat
    In reply to @skeeTX, @Beyond_the_Desk
  • TeacherRunner42 Apr 27 @ 8:46 PM EDT
    in sports the team with the worst record gets the #1 picks. In education it seems like just the opposite sometimes #mschat
    In reply to @MrsEmily34
  • skeeTX Apr 27 @ 8:47 PM EDT
    I don't have an answer. But I understand a desire to know how well they're doing. #mschat
    In reply to @TeacherRunner42, @Beyond_the_Desk
  • blocht574 - Moderator Apr 27 @ 8:47 PM EDT
    Q5: If not current standardized tests, how can we quantify/analyze how well our public schools & Ss are doing? #mschat
  • GeoSpiegs Apr 27 @ 8:47 PM EDT
    To that: how do we gauge Ss who learn at different speeds, modalities, and other challenges? Is one Ss' 'A' the same as another? #mschat
    In reply to @TeacherRunner42, @skeeTX, @Beyond_the_Desk
  • Beyond_the_Desk Apr 27 @ 8:47 PM EDT
    In our district no 1 uses outside test prep. So in that sense the testing is "fair." But it's too big, WEEKS long & weighs too much. #mschat
    In reply to @TeacherRunner42, @skeeTX
  • mrskochheiser Apr 27 @ 8:47 PM EDT
    #mschat Yes, you are right..Here's another good article on that https://t.co/i2oWBoxOKD
    In reply to @MrsEmily34
  • mrskochheiser Apr 27 @ 8:48 PM EDT
    #mschat Yes, you are right..Here's another good article on that https://t.co/a2UOflpV6W
    In reply to @MrsEmily34
  • rickwormeli2 Apr 27 @ 8:48 PM EDT
    #mschat NOT by labeling the school with a letter grade, as some politicians want to do.
    In reply to @skeeTX, @Beyond_the_Desk
  • TeacherRunner42 Apr 27 @ 8:48 PM EDT
    so do I, but state and nat'l test scores can't and don't do that. far too many variables #mschat
    In reply to @skeeTX, @Beyond_the_Desk
  • skeeTX Apr 27 @ 8:48 PM EDT
    We discuss that all the time. Great Q! #mschat
    In reply to @GeoSpiegs, @TeacherRunner42, @Beyond_the_Desk
  • Beyond_the_Desk Apr 27 @ 8:48 PM EDT
    Which is why accountability-purposes testing should be like a water sample. One dip, one measure, understood as such. #mschat
    In reply to @GeoSpiegs, @TeacherRunner42, @skeeTX
  • TeacherRunner42 Apr 27 @ 8:49 PM EDT
    most Ts "A" aren't the same within a class let alone class to class or T to T. "I got 10 BP on a test for bringing in tissues" #mschat
    In reply to @GeoSpiegs, @skeeTX, @Beyond_the_Desk
  • GeoSpiegs Apr 27 @ 8:49 PM EDT
    I would grade each Ss individually (and would tell their parents that, too). Education is more than the sum of its parts #mschat
    In reply to @skeeTX, @TeacherRunner42, @Beyond_the_Desk
  • Jeremybballer Apr 27 @ 8:49 PM EDT
    A5: Why can't we have nights where Ss showcase work? Perhaps portfolios could work too #mschat
  • JesiCygan Apr 27 @ 8:50 PM EDT
    A2: It would definitely be more helpful to obtain student scores before the school year ends in order to be more meaningful to Ss. #mschat
    In reply to @blocht574
  • blocht574 - Moderator Apr 27 @ 8:50 PM EDT
    A5: Looking at student growth in all areas of learning: Physical, Intellectual, Social and Emotional via portfolios #mschat
  • kennethdward Apr 27 @ 8:50 PM EDT
    A5 I don't believe standardized test's themselves are bad. It's the way they are used, the delayed feedback and the enormous cost's #mschat
  • GeoSpiegs Apr 27 @ 8:50 PM EDT
    Q5 RT #mschat
    • blocht574 - Moderator Apr 27 @ 8:47 PM EDT
      Q5: If not current standardized tests, how can we quantify/analyze how well our public schools & Ss are doing? #mschat
  • Beyond_the_Desk Apr 27 @ 8:50 PM EDT
    I think that's why we continue to need something standardized. Just wish it was better! #mschat
    In reply to @TeacherRunner42, @GeoSpiegs, @skeeTX
  • rickwormeli2 Apr 27 @ 8:50 PM EDT
    #mschat The "A" refers to same evid of proficiency, not how st got there. Varied learner pathways are irrelevant to final evidence presented
    In reply to @GeoSpiegs, @TeacherRunner42, @skeeTX, @Beyond_the_Desk
  • blocht574 - Moderator Apr 27 @ 8:50 PM EDT
    agreed! Test need to be used to grow and improve not judge and punish #mschat
    In reply to @kennethdward
  • GeoSpiegs Apr 27 @ 8:51 PM EDT
    A5 Portfolio and reflection blogs. By including students in their own grading. Ask questions/debate. Refine, discuss #mschat #mschat
  • TeacherRunner42 Apr 27 @ 8:51 PM EDT
    as long as it is to authentic audiences, not just Ps I'd agree - get community members & professionals in! #mschat
    In reply to @Jeremybballer
  • mrskochheiser Apr 27 @ 8:51 PM EDT
    A5) Ss should be compared to their own growth over time, not to other Ss; prefer digital portfolios, reflective pieces; authentic wk #mschat
  • Jeremybballer Apr 27 @ 8:51 PM EDT
    We can't effectively use the data when we get it back 2 months into the next school year. It's ridiculous. #mschat
    In reply to @kennethdward
  • blocht574 - Moderator Apr 27 @ 8:51 PM EDT
    A5: Our current system is too narrow looking at ONE aspect of a students growth it needs to widen!! #mschat
  • BrysonBridget Apr 27 @ 8:52 PM EDT
    Agreed. Standardized Tests should be billed and used just as data moments. Nothing more #mschat
    In reply to @kennethdward
  • skeeTX Apr 27 @ 8:52 PM EDT
    A5: we obtain jobs with resumes and CVs. Why can't our Ss create something similar instead of transcript. Present their best stuff! #mschat
  • mmoran16edu Apr 27 @ 8:52 PM EDT
    A5: I'm not really sure how to, so I would love pointers for ways in addition to testing! #mschat
  • Jeremybballer Apr 27 @ 8:52 PM EDT
    Exactly! It would be nice to get business professionals to see the work Ss do too! #mschat
    In reply to @TeacherRunner42
  • TeacherRunner42 Apr 27 @ 8:52 PM EDT
    I agree - standards based is my best argument for that though - did you master a skill or not? must less misinterpretation #mschat
    In reply to @Beyond_the_Desk, @GeoSpiegs, @skeeTX
  • rickwormeli2 Apr 27 @ 8:52 PM EDT
    #mschat Agreed, and add as a negative: 'degree to which they marginalize or dismiss some subjects, focusing the curriculum to what's tested.
    In reply to @kennethdward
  • skeeTX Apr 27 @ 8:53 PM EDT
    But why? What if it went away? Would Ed systems crumble? #mschat
    In reply to @Beyond_the_Desk, @TeacherRunner42, @GeoSpiegs
  • TeacherRunner42 Apr 27 @ 8:53 PM EDT
    How many publicly funded entities exist? How many are graded as often or as rigorously as teachers? #mschat
    In reply to @Beyond_the_Desk
  • GeoSpiegs Apr 27 @ 8:53 PM EDT
    I have no problem with standardized testing for (as you say) water sample testing. What it is used for, however should be formative #mschat
    In reply to @Beyond_the_Desk, @TeacherRunner42, @skeeTX
  • BradLatzke Apr 27 @ 8:53 PM EDT
    A5 De-emphasize testing, a small slice of larger assessment pie. If learning is your goal, spend more time on formative feedback. #mschat
  • Beyond_the_Desk Apr 27 @ 8:54 PM EDT
    This--YES! Perfectly said. #mschat
    In reply to @BrysonBridget, @kennethdward
  • blocht574 - Moderator Apr 27 @ 8:54 PM EDT
    AGREE! Need to focus on formative assessments (quick check of learning) #mschat
    In reply to @BradLatzke
  • GeoSpiegs Apr 27 @ 8:54 PM EDT
    At some point Ss will be compared to global standards? #mschat
    In reply to @skeeTX, @Beyond_the_Desk, @TeacherRunner42
  • TeacherRunner42 Apr 27 @ 8:54 PM EDT
    global standards use metric systems... :) #mschat #ScienceRules
    In reply to @GeoSpiegs, @skeeTX, @Beyond_the_Desk
  • kennethdward Apr 27 @ 8:54 PM EDT
    Just because standardized test's themselves aren't bad doesn't mean they are always best way to assess student learning for sure! #mschat
    • rickwormeli2 Apr 27 @ 8:52 PM EDT
      #mschat Agreed, and add as a negative: 'degree to which they marginalize or dismiss some subjects, focusing the curriculum to what's tested.
      In reply to @kennethdward
  • rickwormeli2 Apr 27 @ 8:54 PM EDT
    #mschat Dennis Littkey called that, "graduation by exhibition." 'Good idea! Marc Springer with his Soundings work does this, too.
    In reply to @skeeTX
  • GeoSpiegs Apr 27 @ 8:54 PM EDT
    We're screwed then... #mschat
    In reply to @TeacherRunner42, @skeeTX, @Beyond_the_Desk
  • mrskochheiser Apr 27 @ 8:55 PM EDT
    This is the truth #mschat #6thchat
    • BradLatzke Apr 27 @ 8:53 PM EDT
      A5 De-emphasize testing, a small slice of larger assessment pie. If learning is your goal, spend more time on formative feedback. #mschat
  • skeeTX Apr 27 @ 8:55 PM EDT
    By whom? #mschat
    In reply to @GeoSpiegs, @Beyond_the_Desk, @TeacherRunner42
  • Beyond_the_Desk Apr 27 @ 8:55 PM EDT
    Yes! #mschat
    In reply to @GeoSpiegs, @TeacherRunner42, @skeeTX
  • TeacherRunner42 Apr 27 @ 8:55 PM EDT
    three way race between the USA, Liberia, and Myanmar... #mschat #AdoptMetric
    In reply to @GeoSpiegs, @skeeTX, @Beyond_the_Desk
  • kennethdward Apr 27 @ 8:55 PM EDT
    IMO the best formative assessment happens & the S's don't even realize it! #mschat
  • GeoSpiegs Apr 27 @ 8:56 PM EDT
    Whomever is doing the hiring. Economies of scale seek expanding markets. #mschat
    In reply to @skeeTX, @Beyond_the_Desk, @TeacherRunner42
  • rickwormeli2 Apr 27 @ 8:56 PM EDT
    #mschat We need to make sure sts see feedback as information, not evaluation, otherwise ego is invoked and they self-preserve, not listen.
  • JesiCygan Apr 27 @ 8:56 PM EDT
    A1: Encouragement occurs via fun activities/assemblies! Ss want to please & do well, so we acknowledge their excitement & efforts! #mschat
    In reply to @blocht574
  • GeoSpiegs Apr 27 @ 8:56 PM EDT
    In km... #mschat
    In reply to @TeacherRunner42, @skeeTX, @Beyond_the_Desk
  • TeacherRunner42 Apr 27 @ 8:57 PM EDT
    seriously speaking though, Ss have a heck of a time trying to translate imperial units - metric is so much easier mathematically. #mschat
    In reply to @GeoSpiegs, @skeeTX, @Beyond_the_Desk
  • BayleeKnippling Apr 27 @ 8:57 PM EDT
    A5: mini-SLOs throughout the year would be beneficial, because it's a quick check in how Ss are learning and what needs to change #mschat
  • skeeTX Apr 27 @ 8:57 PM EDT
    If individuals can demonstrate an ability to perform the job, does it have to be done via a test? #mschat
    In reply to @GeoSpiegs, @Beyond_the_Desk, @TeacherRunner42
  • blocht574 - Moderator Apr 27 @ 8:57 PM EDT
    Final question Q6: How do we move from standardized testing to more individualized assessment? (to celebrate our Ss strengths) #mschat
  • BradLatzke Apr 27 @ 8:58 PM EDT
    Even Ron Burgundy understands the poor measurement of standardized testing results. #mschat
  • kennethdward Apr 27 @ 8:58 PM EDT
    teaching intrinsic motivation to learn as opposed to trying to force them to learn under the threat of a punishment! #mschat
    • rickwormeli2 Apr 27 @ 8:56 PM EDT
      #mschat We need to make sure sts see feedback as information, not evaluation, otherwise ego is invoked and they self-preserve, not listen.
  • Beyond_the_Desk Apr 27 @ 8:58 PM EDT
    Our accountability feels like a "gotcha," under the gun. Like a sting operation. Not what our relationship w/ our states should be. #mschat
    In reply to @TeacherRunner42
  • GeoSpiegs Apr 27 @ 8:58 PM EDT
    What we perceive as a mark of individuality is merely part of the cult of anti-intellectualism #mschat #adoptmetric
    In reply to @TeacherRunner42, @skeeTX, @Beyond_the_Desk
  • TeacherRunner42 Apr 27 @ 8:59 PM EDT
    But this seems like how it is done - top down (states punish districts punish schools punish admins punish teachers punish Ss) #mschat
    In reply to @kennethdward
  • skeeTX Apr 27 @ 8:59 PM EDT
    A6: convince those in office that testing isn't the way forward. Talk ask but worth the effort! #mschat
  • GeoSpiegs Apr 27 @ 8:59 PM EDT
    No not at all. In a perfect world we'd have Ss constantly refine and reflect on the portfolio of work. But we're just not here yet #mschat
    In reply to @skeeTX, @Beyond_the_Desk, @TeacherRunner42
  • Jeremybballer Apr 27 @ 8:59 PM EDT
    A6: We have to show the more individualized instruction gives Ss a better chance of growth. Have data to back it up. #mschat