#ASEchat Archive
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Monday May 30, 2016
3:00 PM EDT
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May 30 @ 3:00 PM EDT
Welcome to
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Tonight discussing “How is your school preparing for the new GCSEs?"
asober
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May 30 @ 3:00 PM EDT
@hrogerson
yes it is! I am hosting as
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hrogerson
May 30 @ 3:01 PM EDT
Choose our spec: gateway and on Friday I ordered our textbooks. Sticking with kerboodle.
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hrogerson
May 30 @ 3:01 PM EDT
Got to do the budget for the first week back, so currently looking at the required practicals.
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collaborat_ed
May 30 @ 3:03 PM EDT
@hrogerson
yes! Endorsed practicals will be a key part of department budgets!
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SKLchem
May 30 @ 3:04 PM EDT
@collaborat_ed
@hrogerson
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- we have looked at PAGS & linked skills to where they appear at KS3 e.g PAG1 drawing cells link to Y7
asober
- Moderator
May 30 @ 3:04 PM EDT
@hrogerson
have you found there are many pracs you would not normally do in old gateway?
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teacherchalky1
May 30 @ 3:05 PM EDT
Familiarize yourself with the new spec as there's lots of new stuff, don't assume it's the same content just in a different order
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Mrz__Black
May 30 @ 3:05 PM EDT
@collaborat_ed
@hrogerson
endorsed praticals? thats A level, GCSE RP's aren't endorsed
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SKLchem
May 30 @ 3:06 PM EDT
@collaborat_ed
@hrogerson
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- Also looked at maths skills & where these link to KS3 e.g 1b measuring & scaling in microscopes
teacherchalky1
May 30 @ 3:07 PM EDT
@asober
@hrogerson
AQA have released a document with the required pracs in
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collaborat_ed
May 30 @ 3:07 PM EDT
@Mrz__Black
@hrogerson
yes! Sorry, I meant required practicals! With new specs a new set of jargon comes in too :)
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SKLchem
May 30 @ 3:07 PM EDT
@collaborat_ed
@hrogerson
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and we are working with Maths to try and sequence what students learn when in maths & science!
Mrz__Black
May 30 @ 3:08 PM EDT
@teacherchalky1
plus level of demand in exam papers at Foundation is much higher
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staffdb66
May 30 @ 3:08 PM EDT
Been looking at the available prac. Documents from various exam boards to see range of resources
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asober
- Moderator
May 30 @ 3:08 PM EDT
@teacherchalky1
that is a good point, e.g. quite a bit moved to GCSE from A-level in physics.
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corsham_science
May 30 @ 3:10 PM EDT
@asober
yes... Vectors in so much more detail.. And gradients from curves.. Maths in much more detail
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collaborat_ed
May 30 @ 3:10 PM EDT
@teacherchalky1
@hrogerson
I think this is the document you mentioned?
https://t.co/DCIGhEr21k
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teacherchalky1
May 30 @ 3:10 PM EDT
@Mrz__Black
I'm hoping that AQA will produce more specimen exams for the new spec
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Mrz__Black
May 30 @ 3:11 PM EDT
@teacherchalky1
there's a range in all three specs
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corsham_science
May 30 @ 3:11 PM EDT
@teacherchalky1
If it's like alevel then they will release a secured specimen in eaqa
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CMLGoddard
May 30 @ 3:12 PM EDT
@corsham_science
@asober
I think students, in general, are going to have to be more resilient - tougher content, longer exams.
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teacherchalky1
May 30 @ 3:12 PM EDT
@mrs_tweddle
I've had to try and level down A level malaria stuff, and even then the spec is unspecific about what they want
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collaborat_ed
May 30 @ 3:13 PM EDT
@Mrz__Black
are you using specimen from different boards to get students ready? Or do you think that’s too risky?
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Mrz__Black
May 30 @ 3:13 PM EDT
@hrogerson
going with AQA and Hodder this time, kerboodle had too many errors at AS, disappointing
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teacherchalky1
May 30 @ 3:14 PM EDT
@asober
There's a lot more content in the biology eg malaria ect
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CMLGoddard
May 30 @ 3:14 PM EDT
@teacherchalky1
@Mrz__Black
I think they're releasing "Y10 mock exams" in 2017
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collaborat_ed
May 30 @ 3:14 PM EDT
@CMLGoddard
@corsham_science
that is very true! Modularity is gone and more synopticity introduced in exam papers. Not easy!
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Mrz__Black
May 30 @ 3:15 PM EDT
@collaborat_ed
@teacherchalky1
using old aqa exampro questions to begin with for content, bonding is bonding
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teacherchalky1
May 30 @ 3:15 PM EDT
@Mrz__Black
@asober
@hrogerson
We'll be using gained time after Y11 have gone to map out the content from the spec properly
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Mrz__Black
May 30 @ 3:16 PM EDT
@teacherchalky1
@asober
@hrogerson
i have mapped out year 10 and 11, just got to go back and map year 9/10/11, which will be easier
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teacherchalky1
May 30 @ 3:17 PM EDT
@mrs_tweddle
@asober
It may make it easier at the top end, I'm sceptical what effect the new spec will have on the lower end tho
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staffdb66
May 30 @ 3:17 PM EDT
I think a bit change is going back to having to memorise formulae. Need that before they can apply the more difficult maths skills!
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Mrz__Black
May 30 @ 3:18 PM EDT
@collaborat_ed
@CMLGoddard
@corsham_science
system of interleaving and reviewing needs included in mapping
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mrs_tweddle
May 30 @ 3:19 PM EDT
@teacherchalky1
@asober
I think they key will be frequent revision and assessment of key words and concepts.
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teacherchalky1
May 30 @ 3:19 PM EDT
@Mrz__Black
Agree, we're using old questions from exampro too but it's worth using old ISA paper 2 questions
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collaborat_ed
May 30 @ 3:19 PM EDT
@staffdb66
yes! I think there are as many as 24 equations to be able to recall and apply in AQA. Only a handful given in eq. sheet
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Mrz__Black
May 30 @ 3:19 PM EDT
@CMLGoddard
@teacherchalky1
we will need some proper assessment for validity
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Mrz__Black
May 30 @ 3:20 PM EDT
@teacherchalky1
good idea! thanks
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staffdb66
May 30 @ 3:21 PM EDT
@teacherchalky1
@Mrz__Black
yes I think building in the case studies from the CAUs will help with some prac question
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teacherchalky1
May 30 @ 3:21 PM EDT
@mrs_tweddle
@asober
If it goes the same way as A Level expect lots of application questions
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Mrz__Black
May 30 @ 3:23 PM EDT
@teacherchalky1
@mrs_tweddle
@asober
agreed, AO3 is much larger proportion now
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hrogerson
May 30 @ 3:23 PM EDT
@asober
a few. Distillation of ink. Scared for our quick fit!
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hrogerson
May 30 @ 3:25 PM EDT
@casparianstrip
yes, found that very useful.
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quite good the boards are so similar.
teacherchalky1
May 30 @ 3:25 PM EDT
@mrs_tweddle
@asober
Agree, they seem to state the obvious without explaining what it is showing
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edubabbIe
May 30 @ 3:25 PM EDT
There is a certain threshold.
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CMLGoddard
May 30 @ 3:25 PM EDT
How are schools intending to show that students have has adequate opportunity to meet practicals? Simply signposting in SoW?
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mrs_tweddle
May 30 @ 3:27 PM EDT
@teacherchalky1
@asober
I am definitely going to be starting to with my new year 12 and as we progress into 13
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Mrz__Black
May 30 @ 3:27 PM EDT
@CMLGoddard
mapped weekly in the long term mapping, i have mapped it to a week for each one. catch up will be after school
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hrogerson
May 30 @ 3:28 PM EDT
Probably filing our requisitions too. (Do this anyway) and filling in the exam board trackers
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https://t.co/kcSJgZlE0j
CMLGoddard
May 30 @ 3:25 PM EDT
How are schools intending to show that students have has adequate opportunity to meet practicals? Simply signposting in SoW?
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Mrz__Black
May 30 @ 3:29 PM EDT
@mrs_tweddle
@teacherchalky1
@asober
what does this look like please?
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CMLGoddard
May 30 @ 3:29 PM EDT
@Mrz__Black
To what extent are you building in "catch up" opportunities? Every week/each practical. What about persistent absentees?
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teacherchalky1
May 30 @ 3:29 PM EDT
@CMLGoddard
I've given them a lab book which they only use when doing required practicals
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hrogerson
May 30 @ 3:29 PM EDT
@staffdb66
memorising the equations is potentially easy marks... For those motivated to do it.
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hrogerson
May 30 @ 3:30 PM EDT
@teacherchalky1
@mrs_tweddle
@asober
you aren't alone. We're nervous about our C/D borderline a too. Lots more 4s I suspect 🙁
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mrs_tweddle
May 30 @ 3:31 PM EDT
@Mrz__Black
@teacherchalky1
@asober
I'm hoping I've sent you a link to one I use, but new to Twitter
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Mrz__Black
May 30 @ 3:31 PM EDT
@CMLGoddard
we are videoing the practicals so they have the opportunity to at least see them
#lastresort
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staffdb66
May 30 @ 3:31 PM EDT
@hrogerson
In theory. But I remember marking mock exams 18 years ago with lots of blank gaps where equations should be.
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collaborat_ed
May 30 @ 3:32 PM EDT
If you send me a DM, we can email you our Equation Rumble card set to print. We have AQA and iGCSE Edexcel
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mrs_tweddle
May 30 @ 3:32 PM EDT
@Mrz__Black
@teacherchalky1
@asober
they also have ones with key definitions of explanations.
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hrogerson
May 30 @ 3:33 PM EDT
@Mrz__Black
@CMLGoddard
same, (or putting together a playlist) helpful for revision too I hope.
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Mr_S_dA
May 30 @ 3:33 PM EDT
@mrs_tweddle
@teacherchalky1
@asober
would you be able to share this?
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hrogerson
May 30 @ 3:33 PM EDT
@casparianstrip
yes, minimum changes there in amongst all the other changes.
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Mr_S_dA
May 30 @ 3:34 PM EDT
@Mrz__Black
@CMLGoddard
I'm planning on doing this too so all pupils get same instructions across year group, regardless of teacher
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hrogerson
May 30 @ 3:34 PM EDT
@staffdb66
I can imagine my husbands students won't manage/bother... Advantage for mine who mostly should.
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Mrz__Black
May 30 @ 3:35 PM EDT
@mrs_tweddle
@teacherchalky1
@asober
not yet, just followed you back tho :)
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hrogerson
May 30 @ 3:37 PM EDT
Looking at igcse exam papers this week to get some ideas about assessing practical knowledge - worth it?
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collaborat_ed
May 30 @ 3:38 PM EDT
@hrogerson
yes, I would recommend it, as I think there are some analogies
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Mr_S_dA
May 30 @ 3:39 PM EDT
@hrogerson
We taught the AQA iGCSE up until last year and am expecting some similarities between that and new AQA GCSE
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hrogerson
May 30 @ 3:39 PM EDT
@staffdb66
AQA did say they will give a lot of formulae so only testing memory on some needed in each paper.
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teacherchalky1
May 30 @ 3:39 PM EDT
@Mr_S_dA
@mrs_tweddle
@asober
I'll upload on to Tes an put a link on here once I've done it
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Mr_S_dA
May 30 @ 3:39 PM EDT
Anyone else still being expected to teach triple award in double award time?
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hrogerson
May 30 @ 3:40 PM EDT
Looking forward to having more freedom in each lesson in the new specs.
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Mrz__Black
May 30 @ 3:41 PM EDT
@Mr_S_dA
we have 7 hours per week to teach triple from year 9
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should be doable
hrogerson
May 30 @ 3:41 PM EDT
@Mr_S_dA
looks very difficult. we have been able to negotiate a tiny bit of extra time for triple chemistry this year!!
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SKLchem
May 30 @ 3:42 PM EDT
@Mr_S_dA
@hrogerson
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- we have just got some extra time in Y10 (start GCSE in Y9) - so looking forward to less time pressure!
hrogerson
May 30 @ 3:43 PM EDT
@Mrz__Black
@Mr_S_dA
we'll be teaching right up until May Y11 to fit it all in. So much content 😭
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Mrz__Black
May 30 @ 3:43 PM EDT
@hrogerson
@Mr_S_dA
chemistry content is massive compared to physics!
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Mr_S_dA
May 30 @ 3:43 PM EDT
@hrogerson
I'm worried about current Year 9 - with new Year 9 I am starting GCSE with them, so less worried about that year group
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hrogerson
May 30 @ 3:43 PM EDT
@SKLchem
@Mr_S_dA
lucky!
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asober
- Moderator
May 30 @ 3:43 PM EDT
@Mrz__Black
@hrogerson
@Mr_S_dA
it was about time, in old AQA it was the other way round ;-)
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DrDav
May 30 @ 3:44 PM EDT
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@Mr_S_dA
Given the increased content, this would benefit students even less than it does now. Schools should timetable properly
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hrogerson
May 30 @ 3:44 PM EDT
@Mr_S_dA
we've just done atoms and particles with Y9. They aren't ready for GCSE in terms of maturity or maths. But got to get on.
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Mr_S_dA
May 30 @ 3:45 PM EDT
@Mrz__Black
sounds OK - we will be starting with Y9 too, worried about current Y9 though
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Mrz__Black
May 30 @ 3:45 PM EDT
@hrogerson
@Mr_S_dA
I've mapped for us to finish in Marchwith 5 hours per week
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mrs_tweddle
May 30 @ 3:45 PM EDT
@Mrz__Black
@hrogerson
@Mr_S_dA
biology and chemistry are having a term each in year 9, physics have to wait until year 10.
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mrs_tweddle
May 30 @ 3:46 PM EDT
@Mrz__Black
@hrogerson
@Mr_S_dA
in AQA some recap of chemistry in physics spec - atomic structure for example.
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hrogerson
May 30 @ 3:46 PM EDT
@Mr_S_dA
I think that the only silver lining is a lot of schools in the same boat. Interested if numbers doing A-level go down?
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Mrz__Black
May 30 @ 3:46 PM EDT
@Mr_S_dA
@hrogerson
started now with year 9, couldn't do it if we hadnt, going to be tight with year 10
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collaborat_ed
May 30 @ 3:46 PM EDT
15 min left of
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topic tonight “What are schools doing to prepare for the new GCSE?”
hrogerson
May 30 @ 3:47 PM EDT
@mrs_tweddle
@Mrz__Black
@Mr_S_dA
same in OCR. They recommend teaching it as physics to save time!
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Mr_S_dA
May 30 @ 3:47 PM EDT
@hrogerson
good point on numbers....I'm expecting numbers to go up in next few years - we should be double this coming sept
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Mrz__Black
May 30 @ 3:47 PM EDT
@Mr_S_dA
started in April to get them going, did atomic structure in Sept as well to give them a headstart
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Mrz__Black
May 30 @ 3:49 PM EDT
@hrogerson
@mrs_tweddle
@Mr_S_dA
good plan!
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hrogerson
May 30 @ 3:49 PM EDT
Terrible thing, but during online training colleagues have noted a lot of departments completely unprepared for the changes.
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Mr_S_dA
May 30 @ 3:50 PM EDT
@hrogerson
I've got an online training with AQA next Monday
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hrogerson
May 30 @ 3:51 PM EDT
So us
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ters are probably ahead of the game. It's wrong to profit by others misfortune I realise... But!!
Mrz__Black
May 30 @ 3:51 PM EDT
@collaborat_ed
so how are folks going to assess short and long term?
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DrDav
May 30 @ 3:51 PM EDT
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@hrogerson
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I think that in some schools, they've been spending time on A-level and KS3 changes. Plan to look at KS4 next term!
hrogerson
May 30 @ 3:52 PM EDT
@Mr_S_dA
I hope it is useful. I think my colleagues found the training a bit too basic, we're ahead now.
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Mr_S_dA
May 30 @ 3:52 PM EDT
A big positive for me is the removal of the ISA - I've never liked them!
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Mrz__Black
May 30 @ 3:52 PM EDT
@hrogerson
been prepping dept since October, AQA hub meetings have been useful to bring back info to dept
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Mr_S_dA
May 30 @ 3:52 PM EDT
@hrogerson
hmm OK - good to know thanks
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CMLGoddard
May 30 @ 3:53 PM EDT
@Mr_S_dA
Y9 next year will be able to take Triple as an option block, offered to top end of the cohort. The rest will do combined.
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hrogerson
May 30 @ 3:53 PM EDT
@DrDav
I have been on this since January 2015! Got to juggle, and try to find big picture.
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Mrz__Black
May 30 @ 3:53 PM EDT
@Mr_S_dA
@hrogerson
aqa are running range1-3 training are you doing that one?
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Mr_S_dA
May 30 @ 3:53 PM EDT
@CMLGoddard
we will hopefully be offering the same to next years Y9
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hrogerson
May 30 @ 3:54 PM EDT
@Mr_S_dA
should say we're OCR
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Mr_S_dA
May 30 @ 3:54 PM EDT
@Mrz__Black
@hrogerson
and the intro one - although as
@hrogerson
says, it may be quite basic and I think I'm pretty clued up
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collaborat_ed
May 30 @ 3:54 PM EDT
@Mrz__Black
I think there will need to be regular diagnostic assessments to ensure students’ progress by end of KS exams!
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SKLchem
May 30 @ 3:55 PM EDT
@hrogerson
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Have found it a challenging yr; starting an unaccredited spec in Y9; so trying to ensure things run smoothly from now!
DrDav
May 30 @ 3:55 PM EDT
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@hrogerson
But as you say,
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folks are ahead of the game.
collaborat_ed
May 30 @ 3:55 PM EDT
@Mrz__Black
also regular revision built in lessons/end of units will become even more important
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hrogerson
May 30 @ 3:56 PM EDT
@SKLchem
it's a nightmare! The content might be ok, but husband has been teaching since Jan and done no required pracs. Oops.
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mrs_tweddle
May 30 @ 3:56 PM EDT
@DrDav
@hrogerson
we've spent a lot of time rewriting ks3 sow to feed into ks4. Last few months now focuses on ks4
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Mrz__Black
May 30 @ 3:56 PM EDT
@collaborat_ed
yes, very much so, but no idea of grades!
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teacherchalky1
May 30 @ 3:56 PM EDT
Growing Microbes required practical sheet https://www.tes.comundefined via
@tesResources
https://t.co/h9nVSpjIIU
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collaborat_ed
May 30 @ 3:57 PM EDT
@Mrz__Black
yes, those could go either way really!
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hrogerson
May 30 @ 3:57 PM EDT
Planning on using multiple choice tests and progress tasks to assess.
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teacherchalky1
May 30 @ 3:58 PM EDT
@mrs_tweddle
@DrDav
@hrogerson
We've spiralled down KS4 to write out KS3 SOW
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collaborat_ed
May 30 @ 3:58 PM EDT
@Mrz__Black
all teachers can do at this stage is ensure students have solid understanding of the science! No teaching to exam ;-)
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hrogerson
May 30 @ 3:58 PM EDT
https://t.co/dhV7zvhFpx
< multi choice and
https://t.co/qL9lLZSfrj
< progress test
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teacherchalky1
May 30 @ 3:59 PM EDT
@collaborat_ed
@Mrz__Black
Set well structured revision tasks throughout the year may help
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