#games4ed Archive
#games4ed discussions cover ways in which gaming can be used in education. Games mirror the way the human mind was designed to learn. They motivate players to take risks and actions, persevere through failures, set and achieve increasingly difficult goals, and devote attention, time, and effort to acquiring knowledge and skills. All this while the game is tracking the player’s actions and assessing the player’s achievements and skills. Isn’t this what we want from education?
Thursday March 10, 2016
I'm going to miss chat tonight because my wife and I have dinner plans, but I wish you all a great chat!
How can you argue with ? You can't.
Hi! My name is Julie. My break plans are to sleep!!
Maria- Pre-service teacher and I will be working over spring break!
This is my first Twitter Chat, so bear with me.
Agreed! I'm staying home and relaxing!
Hi, Rachelle, Spanish Teachr from Pittsbgh, also teach , catch up on grad work, , read some
Heyo student and memer, Akash, from wams middle school nj, and to prepare for highschool
Is it okay for me to just watch and see how this all works? I mean "lurk".
they are wonder twin rings
Heidi Beguin here, ELA & tech teacher. My break plans include catching up, reading, & getting ready for an awesome 4th quarter!
those of us who are 12 month are still here
Hi Akash! Glad you're here---we love having the student perspective!
Hi there Heidi! Always good to have a fellow Nebraskan here :)
Hi everyone! I'm Joanne from Michigan. A preservice T studying secondary ed, and I'm planning to teach preschool over break!
it's more fun to tweet than lurk, but no rules here
Melissa from Nebraska, 11-12 ELA. Spring break started today. I did nothing school related :)
You too, so wish it was :)
Meg, Olathe, Kansas and next week for spring break I'm going to sleep!!! 😴
Hi again! This is Julie from Southern California. I teach 4th grade. Been teaching for 24 years.
Wow! Haven't thought about Wonder Twins for years!
2 more weeks until our spring break, would love to speed up that time frame, just a bit
Cody from NW Kansas. This is my 3rd year. Spring Break is next week!!
So excited to participate in tonight's chat!
I'm a mom, frmr teacher, and current DMM at small nonprofit.
John, student. I hope to have fun during spring break!
Welcome, John! Always glad to have students here!
Hi ! I’m Keegan, an educational technologist at .
I don't know how to answer this from a teacher perspective, but I see a lot of problems with kids and structuring.
Hi, Iram here. Mom and principal of a k-7 school in Surrey, B.C. Canada
A1) Probably learning to hear the other side.
Q1: What do students struggle with most when learning to build arguments?
A1 Ss seem to struggle with logical fallacies
That's so true, regardless of whether they're six or sixteen!
A1: Confidence, usually because they are expected to talk about somehting they had no clue with in public
I find Ss biggest struggle is in providing valid reasons for their arguments.
A1 I think choosing a side, fear of what they say/how to structure, effect on others, maybe accepting other opinions
Hi . I'm Kathy, an instructional tech fac, for the Currituck NC schools.
I think you answered it great!
A1: Finding evidence to support their claims
A1 providing enough evidence to support their argument
A1: s's and adult both sometimes struggle with the difference of building an argument vs. "arguing"
A1) Cohesion of all the ideas together. In support and against.
A1 Ss often report & summarize rather than use evidence to support a claim
Carrie Baughcum 6/7/8 Extended Resource teacher in Arlington Heights, IL popping in for a bit
Mark G, 5th grade T from Southern NJ stopping in to say hello to Chat
There's lack of communication between those two as well. If I'm "arguing", I'm not interested in your side....
agreed! This can be challenging and often needs to be scaffolded.
yep? That was a test of your super friends knowledge
Argumentation requires higher order thinking skills by nature. Tough to think critically about anything.
Or they use the "floating quotation" that hangs there without connecting it to anything!
YES! we tend to be so defensive and have the need to be right vs. making a strong point! https://t.co/7zBqHHTgzH
A1: s's and adult both sometimes struggle with the difference of building an argument vs. "arguing"
A1 organizing evidence and evaluating strength of evidence
Also doesn’t help that argument = often been confused with “persuasive.” The language of argumentation is uncomfortable at first!
I definitely notice this! Students often enjoy arguing as an activity but not using valid evidence
A1. Some struggle with finding strong evidence for their arguments. & others struggle to understand the other side's argument.
And teaching that vocabulary is another lesson in itself!
Gauging the credibility of a source. Oy vey.
A1: Recognizing others points of view and building counter points, at least for my 5th graders. https://t.co/YRNwtHk8jN
Q1: What do students struggle with most when learning to build arguments?
that's true for my 1st graders as well!
It's just a "me" dominated society, it's hard to hear others when they talk.
Is it possible to 2 Twitter chats at the same time?
so we need to teach s's it's ok to be uncomfortable at times when learning
So true. But makes sense. Tough to be a mechanic if you can’t name the parts. Not impossible, but tough!
Here's our list: EVIDENCE!, credibiilty of source, supporting claims with evidence, letting go of failure fear, listening 2 others
oh yes! Credible sources!!
Our School uses to help build arguments for discussion, Ss learn academic langugae & citing https://t.co/Q1X9jnjI5G
A1 Ss often report & summarize rather than use evidence to support a claim
I am guilty of this many times
YES! I am an AVID tutor, and this system has helped tremendously
A2:let's say in a game two characters have a rivalry, you can try to reenact that by writing or studying it
See opportunity to use 4 this. Have Ss create different paths of competing claims to explore https://t.co/5D7a9pSD3d
Students can build NPCs or allies in games to help express multiple points-of-views, such as in Soc Stud https://t.co/3A6f92VFSG
A2: using games to help s's look at evidence and apply it's logic to real world settings like pandemic and historical epidemics
I made it for She is probably rolling her eyes right now
A2: Legging go of failure; the restart button on any game reasures them that failing isnt the end. Need to make that connection
A2: You can use games to teach claims and evidence by arguing over games! Better, or not?
A2 where is the world is Carmen Sandeigo
A2: I would do quick rebuttal free writes w/back &forth PVP giving points 4credible evidence and strong arguments
Love this, we just had a philosophical chairs debate/discussion about in the classroom https://t.co/E3zUmSU9ZQ
A2: You can use games to teach claims and evidence by arguing over games! Better, or not?
A2) Yeah I think it boosts writing for sure, because you can write point v counterpoint pieces.
I love that idea! Gonna have to try it!
Does anyone have cool ways to teach the vocabulary of arguments? Claims, evidence, platforms. etc.?
I think it would also be challenging to develop multiple arguments at once! Good exercise for students.
A2 I have Ss play Argubot Academy then primary sources from Read Like Historian to test knowledge transfer
To introduce the topic of argumentation. Make it about a game they are familiar with so evidence is easier to find
Not sure if its vocabulary, but I have put together a sentence starter sheet to help teach academic lang https://t.co/kXYj0EPPlr
Does anyone have cool ways to teach the vocabulary of arguments? Claims, evidence, platforms. etc.?
David from VA. A2. You could use Clue to make claims and present your evidence.
really? Another reason I wish teleportation was real!
A2 help Ss to see similarities, use game to show how to build arguments, etc.
Q3: There are lots of games out there that use argumentation. Let's share some digital ones! https://t.co/6fbf9nLbHR
A2 use games with facts. Or make up new rules hat students have to justify answer
I made an audible "oooohhh" when I saw this. Great one! https://t.co/aiaJxtfIIW
David from VA. A2. You could use Clue to make claims and present your evidence.
Tina from TN, making it to the 2nd half of !
A3 Twitter tag. Get get it we use a hashtag
This sounds fantastic. Did the students enjoy this activity?
A3 Argubot Academy & Argument Wars
Yes, if you use tweetdeck. Open up two different # columns.
the ending for the tell-tale games walking dead series, there are so many topics to debate and yell about
I try to encourage my 10 and 11 yo's to play Argubots! Such a good game!
Make it a boss battle or dice roll quick fire response when call out vocab word https://t.co/WF8MVlxLSp
Does anyone have cool ways to teach the vocabulary of arguments? Claims, evidence, platforms. etc.?
Yes we debated if should be used in the classroom, most agreed yes, some said no, too addicting https://t.co/6Fex7DVSUa
This sounds fantastic. Did the students enjoy this activity?
What a great debate topic!
multiple arguments at once key with debating cannot have one argument for a claim
I think Ss should rate how the candidates debate
A3. When my daughter was 9 she would role play in the fantasy chat boards about her favorite books and argue fan theories.
Really forces them to consider other perspectives in order to develop more arguments (and refutation)
A3 has, also and others that are tradl T created,
A3. Haven't used any in my field placements, but these look like good ones for teaching middle school: https://t.co/bJZMTSrDW6
A3) Guess I mentioned early… :) I could see 6th grade and up easily. Probably younger w / right scaffolding though.
democracy in action, right?
Are we talking writing or debating? I have lots of games when teaching debating
Either/or. I'd love to hear ideas for both (esp. being an ELA teacher :)
That sounds like a great meta debate. Also great opportunity for you to get feedback from the students on using a tool!
I believe strong classroom discussions that involve all students is fundamental to teaching, esp argument https://t.co/jglYr6i855
That sounds like a great meta debate. Also great opportunity for you to get feedback from the students on using a tool!
I think this would be the best part of it too.
A4 Apples to Apples can be used if Ss are given opportunities to craft arguments to lobby for or against their cards.
A4: Apples to Apples can be great for argumentation. Also, Funemployed was great for prepping students for job interviews
A4: a card game called superfight, basically you have cards that you choose that make people fight to the death. you argue to win
What about Yahtzee? Math and building an argument for where the dice roll totals should go?
A3 not digital but a well structured mock trial always riles Ss up into good argumentation
I never even thought of that! Great idea!! https://t.co/xQJeE0VSR1
A4: Apples to Apples can be great for argumentation. Also, Funemployed was great for prepping students for job interviews
A4: One Night Ultimate Vampire (similar to Mafia) is another one for helping students make a claim and use evidence to support it
Monopoly? Argument why you shouldn't put me in forclosure or tax me for trespassing on your land? https://t.co/zdf2JnpwNe
A4 My first thought b/c my SS played it in Spanish, arguing abt validity of words played
A4: Someone mentioned Clue earlier, too. Loved that idea!
Love Apples to Apples! Discuss choices. I guess Cards Against Humanity too, for adult learners at least
A4: I used your idea of making a term list as a novel final. We had great arguments over valid words!
Yes, I want that game so bad, but it is tremendously expensive. Is it only available through Amazon UK?
A4) 1st thought was a style simulation in class. Although, I think Story Cubes could also be used to engage Ss in debate.
A4 tag or touch football gets pretty argumentative
Thinking about this, most games that are collaborative can allow for argument. So many possibilities!
A4...havent used many argumentative games & love learning from ya'll!
My Ss love Scrabble and trying to increase vocabulary/arguing validity. Too bad it got banned. Prisons. Sigh.
that was my serious answer for the night
LOL--Don't overdo it! You're already one past the number of serious answers I expected!
being the i thought augmentative games would be all the time
A5: moot court type role-plays, also mock elections
Wait, what? Scrabble got banned??
You can use bananagrams or life size scrabble for vocabulary
Yes! Forgot about One Night Ultimate Werewolf
I think some of the presidential candidates use augmentative arguments
A5: well Superfight makes you think like the character you created and fight or argue for his/her life https://t.co/NMBAwWFHC1
Yes, the same on Amazon, there was another game, maybe with Zombies from the UK that looked good, any clue?
they are keeping their own score
A5) I think it takes role-play that is flexible enough to allow students to change roles and experience each side of debate.
A5. 1 of my classmates had his Ss create FB,Twitter, or instagram profiles for book characters. Gave kids better understanding!
A5: I've done philosophical chairs as a more relaxed version of a debate. it allows Ss to change sides https://t.co/DI1NJWqxaU
pretty sure that would work
Hmmm...don't know about the zombies one. Just the vampire and werewolf. Wouldn't surprise me, though
A4 a colleague does "March Madness" of historical figures. Ss argue historical significance of 64 ppl down to 1! Very amazing
A5. W/American lit- role play the trial from To Kill A Mockingbird.
I think I was thinking of City of Zombies, its a Game
Super cool! I did similar with"Best Poem Ever" & Ss wrote nomination letters! Love this idea! https://t.co/gfkNDTFU8K
A4 a colleague does "March Madness" of historical figures. Ss argue historical significance of 64 ppl down to 1! Very amazing
spreads smiles & love of learning...yes to games,thought it said argumentative&missed augmentative!
Agreed. That's why I like philosophical chairs. Allows Ss to change minds and move around. https://t.co/pdqwTab9uw
A5) I think it takes role-play that is flexible enough to allow students to change roles and experience each side of debate.
believe no scores & more like street ball
Could philosophical chairs be adapted for 4th grade curriculum?
I never heard of this but it sounds like a controlled debate or 4 corners debate that I will try https://t.co/UM5R4x1gsu
Agreed. That's why I like philosophical chairs. Allows Ss to change minds and move around. https://t.co/pdqwTab9uw
A5) I think it takes role-play that is flexible enough to allow students to change roles and experience each side of debate.
my Twitter spelling has taken a nose dive lately
That is sad! I have a ton of games, tradl board games for Span,
Or creating initiations Divergent style.
That sounds really awesome, could do it for so many topics!
A6: OMG, how do you not take advantage of this election year to teach about argument or lack there of
A6:sensationalism at it's finest! good argument stirs interest&some candidates have perfected sensationalized approach to arguing
A5 in culture study in Spanish lots of topics lend themselves to arguing, pros/cons, taking sides
Awesome. That not only sounds engaging, but also like it would be a lot of fun!
Awesome! Can't wait to look into it.
lots of good argumentation, debate, and logic ideas tonight.
A6. Ss can analyze the debates. Wat content r they covering & how are they approaching opposing positions? https://t.co/4XCK0bFLpb
Thanks for sharing! I love the "hot seat” variant.
A6. I teach rhetoric 1st and have Ss select candidates and in groups (by candidate) identify the rhetorical techniques used.
A6: Ss can also analyze the logic of the commercials, or the emotional tugs that are used instead of logic
apparently my brain reads what it wants&lacks interpretation...must be politics entering , has my nose twitching
I see what you did there…
A6: Election commercials provide a great way to teach fallacies. Gets kids discussing and critically thinking.
Good opportunities to teach logical fallacies!
Sad how many political ads are predominantly emotion and credibility and weakest in logic.
and not just this election cycle
A6) This is an opportunity to engage students in critiquing arguments with this election year….
. When I taught Marketing, we used the debates to research fact/fiction & propaganda
Such a great chat tonight!! Let's finish it off with a share-out of 1 (or more) great argument resource https://t.co/n6dAm4VqMk
I am such a newbie, but I learned a lot tonight. Thanks.
Yes! Students should be encouraged to engage with this content.
A6: Have students prep debate and then via a platform like debate with other Ss around the country and world
Would be interesting to research past yrs and see the shifts.
A7: the youtube comment section
Awesome idea! Love the connection that could be made with other classrooms!
I make up my own news these days
although I shouldn't like this because it's too true
A7. My Ss like using argument and rhetoric in relation to true crime issues. I wonder why.
A7: Oh yeah, the Serial podcasts! My Ss are studying them to develop a final argument
. Thanks for a great chat! Creative ideas to engage Ss in subject matter and essential skills!!
Thanks all for another amazing chat tonight! Next week: Ashly Cross hosts After School Minecraft Clubs!
