#ELLCHAT Archive
#ELLCHAT is a repository for ideas related to teaching English Language Learners.
Monday January 23, 2017
9:00 PM EST
participatechat
Jan 23 @ 9:00 PM EST
Participate in the upcoming
#ELLCHAT
by sharing resources and collaborating at
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KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Jan 23 @ 9:01 PM EST
Good evening
#ELLCHAT
Time to start! Q1 Please share your name, where you live, and what you teach.
KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Jan 23 @ 9:03 PM EST
A1 I’m Karen Nemeth, co-host of
#ELLCHAT
from eastern PA, author/consultant on
#earlyed
for dual language learners
MelissaDiDonato
Jan 23 @ 9:03 PM EST
@MelissaDiDonato
Cockeysville MD, Principal
#ELLCHAT
In reply to @KarenNemethEdM, @MelissaDiDonato
EmilyDESOL383
Jan 23 @ 9:03 PM EST
A1: Emily from Manhattan, KS.
#ESOL
coordinator PreK-12.
#ELLCHAT
KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Jan 23 @ 9:01 PM EST
Good evening
#ELLCHAT
Time to start! Q1 Please share your name, where you live, and what you teach.
KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Jan 23 @ 9:04 PM EST
Our
#ELLCHAT
topic is not so obvious, but is really important! Tchrs have to balance depth of learning with broader exposure for ELLs!
MrC_A2
Jan 23 @ 9:04 PM EST
A1) Hello
#ellchat
, Mr. C from Ann Arbor, MI. English Language Teacher at
@A2_Logan
for
@A2schools
.
#publicschool
In reply to @A2_Logan, @A2schools
dan_pizzo
Jan 23 @ 9:05 PM EST
A1. Dan Pizzo, administrator from Baltimore MD
#ELLCHAT
HSeslteacher
Jan 23 @ 9:05 PM EST
A1: Shaeley, ESL instructional coach from Central Iowa joining in on
#ELLChat
tonight.
KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Jan 23 @ 9:06 PM EST
Hi - don’t forget to add
#ELLCHAT
to every tweet so we can all see what you say!
MrsRussoSTAT
Jan 23 @ 9:05 PM EST
A1: Jessica
@MrsRussoSTAT
Lutherville MD Professional Development Teacher
In reply to @KarenNemethEdM, @MrsRussoSTAT
TheESOLNinja
Jan 23 @ 9:06 PM EST
Greetings
#ELLCHAT
. I teach middle school in Maryland.
FloradTeach
Jan 23 @ 9:06 PM EST
Hi, in for a bit, ESL/ISSP T
#ELLCHAT
SNRam18
Jan 23 @ 9:07 PM EST
A1 K12 ESL teacher working with elementary in Pittsburgh
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Mzleitch
Jan 23 @ 9:07 PM EST
#ELLCHAT
Kristi teaching elementary ELL in the Dominican Republic!
KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Jan 23 @ 9:08 PM EST
Q2 2 goals in ed: expose students to a bit of info on many topics or build depth in few topics. How do you balance these for ELLs?
#ELLCHAT
veronicavisner
Jan 23 @ 9:10 PM EST
Hi
#ELLChat
! I'm a student at Elon University and would like to learn more about education and ELLs!!
HSeslteacher
Jan 23 @ 9:11 PM EST
A2: Should consider readiness, leverage, & endurance. If all 3 rate high, depth is important.
#ELLChat
KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Jan 23 @ 9:11 PM EST
A2 In
#earlyed
there’s often a feeling we have to “expose” children to so many experiences -but do ELLs/DLLs get much out of it?
#ELLCHAT
Mzleitch
Jan 23 @ 9:11 PM EST
#ELLCHAT
A2: When pushing in I support in class work. During pull-outs I go for depth on my COs and LOs.
MrMathAHS
Jan 23 @ 9:12 PM EST
#ELLCHAT
A1 Ben, Ames High School, Alternative Learning Math.
MelissaDiDonato
Jan 23 @ 9:12 PM EST
A2: exposure to grade level content is priority, while also developing skills/comp/connections through deeper understanding is too
#ELLCHAT
KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Jan 23 @ 9:08 PM EST
Q2 2 goals in ed: expose students to a bit of info on many topics or build depth in few topics. How do you balance these for ELLs?
#ELLCHAT
MrC_A2
Jan 23 @ 9:12 PM EST
A2) I try use many different ways to focus on important strategies, deeply. Many content objectives w/ focused language objectives.
#ellchat
KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Jan 23 @ 9:12 PM EST
A2 I agree with you, Melissa - but I think it is not so easy to decide how much or when
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MelissaDiDonato
Jan 23 @ 9:12 PM EST
A2: exposure to grade level content is priority, while also developing skills/comp/connections through deeper understanding is too
#ELLCHAT
KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Jan 23 @ 9:08 PM EST
Q2 2 goals in ed: expose students to a bit of info on many topics or build depth in few topics. How do you balance these for ELLs?
#ELLCHAT
HSeslteacher
Jan 23 @ 9:12 PM EST
Hi, Ben! Glad you're joining us on
#ELLChat
tonight.
In reply to @MrMathAHS
CSchlessinger
Jan 23 @ 9:13 PM EST
A1 NJ Primary ESL teacher
#ELLchat
SNRam18
Jan 23 @ 9:13 PM EST
A2 I think the answer depends on proficiency level. Adv ELLs can have more depth on topics; Beg ELLs may need exposure 2 survive
#ELLChat
MrMathAHS
Jan 23 @ 9:13 PM EST
#ELLCHAT
A2 Provide them with the building block for the different topics, but go in depth for the Ess.Stds.
CSchlessinger
Jan 23 @ 9:14 PM EST
A2 in depth - love to explore topics with my K & 1st students to increase vocabulary, gives them confidence to speak
#ELLchat
Mzleitch
Jan 23 @ 9:15 PM EST
Good question! But earlyed is often a time of easier language acquisition. Less years of vocab to make up.
#ellchat
In reply to @KarenNemethEdM
MrC_A2
Jan 23 @ 9:15 PM EST
What is that saying? Is it better to do 1,000 different skills, or one skill 1,000 times and become a master?
#ellchat
KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Jan 23 @ 9:15 PM EST
A2 So interesting. Seems logical that beg ELLs need exposure to wide variety - but what if that’s to much and doesn’t stick?
#ELLCHAT
SNRam18
Jan 23 @ 9:13 PM EST
A2 I think the answer depends on proficiency level. Adv ELLs can have more depth on topics; Beg ELLs may need exposure 2 survive
#ELLChat
EmilyDESOL383
Jan 23 @ 9:15 PM EST
A3: ANITA Archer once commented, cut the fluff get to the stuff. I've always appreciated that.
#ellchat
ByrneLearning1
Jan 23 @ 9:16 PM EST
#ELLChat
ENL from New York. skimming the surface should not be the norm
TheESOLNinja
Jan 23 @ 9:16 PM EST
A2:I'm in favor of exposure as mast can take time to build, However, at times Ts are pushed to expose Ss just for the heck of it
#ELLCHAT
MrsRussoSTAT
Jan 23 @ 9:16 PM EST
A2 building background knowledge in order to explore in depth while also working on a balance of content and language objectives
#ellchat
MrMathAHS
Jan 23 @ 9:17 PM EST
#ELLCHAT
This is a lot of what I do as an Alt. Teacher.
EmilyDESOL383
Jan 23 @ 9:15 PM EST
A3: ANITA Archer once commented, cut the fluff get to the stuff. I've always appreciated that.
#ellchat
KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Jan 23 @ 9:17 PM EST
A2 This seems like a good way to explain the balance - in 140 characters or less!
#ELLCHAT
MrsRussoSTAT
Jan 23 @ 9:16 PM EST
A2 building background knowledge in order to explore in depth while also working on a balance of content and language objectives
#ellchat
dan_pizzo
Jan 23 @ 9:18 PM EST
A2. I believe we can expose while building depth.
#intheory
#ELLCHAT
ByrneLearning1
Jan 23 @ 9:18 PM EST
#ELLChat
we need well rounded students not students with superficial knowledge.
MrMathAHS
Jan 23 @ 9:18 PM EST
#ELLCHAT
AMEN!!!
ByrneLearning1
Jan 23 @ 9:18 PM EST
#ELLChat
we need well rounded students not students with superficial knowledge.
FloradTeach
Jan 23 @ 9:19 PM EST
A2 I think it depends on the content~is it something they can relate to,have a connection to, hard to go in depth with little Eng
#ELLCHAT
Mzleitch
Jan 23 @ 9:19 PM EST
#ELLCHAT
A2: I think a lot depends on their interests as well. Topics can be covered that you don't plan on if they have passion.
KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Jan 23 @ 9:20 PM EST
A2 Of course you are right, but somehow tchrs need to make decisions about how to lay this groundwork - not always easy to plan
#ELLCHAT
ByrneLearning1
Jan 23 @ 9:18 PM EST
#ELLChat
we need well rounded students not students with superficial knowledge.
HSeslteacher
Jan 23 @ 9:20 PM EST
A2: There's so much to teach, esp if ELLs have interrupted education. That's why focus on essential standards is critical!
#ELLchat
KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Jan 23 @ 9:21 PM EST
A2 Yes, student interests can help - but then we worry that there are some needed topics/vocab we don’t get to cover
#ELLCHAT
Mzleitch
Jan 23 @ 9:19 PM EST
#ELLCHAT
A2: I think a lot depends on their interests as well. Topics can be covered that you don't plan on if they have passion.
KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Jan 23 @ 9:21 PM EST
Q3 What are the challenges of trying to expose ELLs to many topics/domains?
#ELLCHAT
MrMathAHS
Jan 23 @ 9:22 PM EST
#ELLCHAT
Students will drive the instruction and you can always shift your focus for the lesson to meet the students needs.
Mzleitch
Jan 23 @ 9:19 PM EST
#ELLCHAT
A2: I think a lot depends on their interests as well. Topics can be covered that you don't plan on if they have passion.
SNRam18
Jan 23 @ 9:22 PM EST
depends on the EL. My 3rd EL is lower than her 4th/5th classmates but does better work. Ts need 2 know their ELs
#ELLCHAT
In reply to @KarenNemethEdM
GetEdFunding
Jan 23 @ 9:23 PM EST
Happening now:
#ELLchat
#ELL
#englishlanguage
#educators
Mzleitch
Jan 23 @ 9:23 PM EST
Agreed! I don't see them as often as I would like, which makes for interrupted teaching. Integration is important.
#ellchat
In reply to @HSeslteacher
FloradTeach
Jan 23 @ 9:23 PM EST
A2 Some of r Ss need survival skills first, need to feel safe and then confidence to start participating,
#ELLCHAT
MrMathAHS
Jan 23 @ 9:23 PM EST
#ELLCHAT
A3 Overload! Students need the time process and ELLs need that time to understand the Language, then the concept/topic.
KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Jan 23 @ 9:23 PM EST
The next 2 questions will ask about each side of tonight’s question Q3 just focuses on how we decide on topics for brief exposure
#ELLCHAT
MrsRussoSTAT
Jan 23 @ 9:24 PM EST
A3 Knowing the level of your ELLs and grouping of ELLs for pull out support
#ellchat
dan_pizzo
Jan 23 @ 9:24 PM EST
A3 Background Knowledge, vocabulary development, schema, time, authentic connections for the Ss.
#ELLCHAT
FloradTeach
Jan 23 @ 9:25 PM EST
A3 a feeling of being overwhelmed and sometimes shutting down as a result,
#ELLCHAT
KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Jan 23 @ 9:25 PM EST
A3 in
#PreK
and K I hear tchrs rationalize activities to “expose” children but they make no connection for DLLs
#ELLCHAT
CSchlessinger
Jan 23 @ 9:25 PM EST
A3 Never enough time! Always my biggest challenge.
#ELLchat
CDWG_California
Jan 23 @ 9:25 PM EST
GetEdFunding: Happening now:
#ELLchat
#ELL
#englishlanguage
#educators
#caedchat
TheESOLNinja
Jan 23 @ 9:25 PM EST
A3: Exposing students to too many topics can overwhelm them. Many of my students have difficulty determing what it important
#ellchat
Mzleitch
Jan 23 @ 9:26 PM EST
Facing this situation right now! This is very true for some students
#ellchat
In reply to @FloradTeach
HSeslteacher
Jan 23 @ 9:26 PM EST
A3: One challenge is getting quality data on what ELLs already know. Sometimes language barriers make it hard to identify gaps.
#ELLchat
SNRam18
Jan 23 @ 9:26 PM EST
A3 schedule props, EL levels 4 grouping, not enough time, teaching 2 grade level expectations 2 support content, overexposure
#ELLCHAT
MrMathAHS
Jan 23 @ 9:27 PM EST
#ELLCHAT
This year I had a few students transfer into my Alt. Geo class because the overload on vocab. Understanding the Lang can be so hard
KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Jan 23 @ 9:27 PM EST
A3 For little kids tchrs might introduce a polar bear activity- who needs that? Couldn’t they pick local animals?
#ELLCHAT
MrC_A2
Jan 23 @ 9:27 PM EST
A3) Agree with
@dan_pizzo
background knowledge can often limit what/how much we expose at a time.
#ellchat
It must be built.
In reply to @KarenNemethEdM, @dan_pizzo
MelissaDiDonato
Jan 23 @ 9:27 PM EST
Topics that spiral or skills that are progressive in development and will be revisited can be briefly exposed initially
#ELLCHAT
KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Jan 23 @ 9:23 PM EST
The next 2 questions will ask about each side of tonight’s question Q3 just focuses on how we decide on topics for brief exposure
#ELLCHAT
Mzleitch
Jan 23 @ 9:27 PM EST
#ELLCHAT
A3: all vocab, no true understanding. Or all receptive language, no opportunity to develop expressive language.
KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Jan 23 @ 9:27 PM EST
A3 Agree - hard to identify gaps AND hard to identify areas of prior knowledge!
#ELLCHAT
HSeslteacher
Jan 23 @ 9:26 PM EST
A3: One challenge is getting quality data on what ELLs already know. Sometimes language barriers make it hard to identify gaps.
#ELLchat
EmilyDESOL383
Jan 23 @ 9:28 PM EST
A3: if exposure is not strategic it can lead to overload and fragmented understanding.
#ellchat
KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Jan 23 @ 9:21 PM EST
Q3 What are the challenges of trying to expose ELLs to many topics/domains?
#ELLCHAT
FloradTeach
Jan 23 @ 9:28 PM EST
I call this the waiting period ... give them space and time ...their actions show us they're learning
#ellchat
In reply to @Mzleitch
KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Jan 23 @ 9:28 PM EST
A3 but also in
#prek
you might have kid who ONLY wants to play block area or princess- they might need exposure to other fun topics
#ELLCHAT
HSeslteacher
Jan 23 @ 9:29 PM EST
Units selected on teacher choice alone have no place given rigor of new standards! Must focus on essentials!
#ELLChat
In reply to @KarenNemethEdM
TanELLclassroom
Jan 23 @ 9:29 PM EST
A2: Depth vs breath is about helping ELs develop literacy, lang, & thinking skills that faciliate making connections.
#ellchat
MrMathAHS
Jan 23 @ 9:30 PM EST
#ELLCHAT
Ess.Stds help with clarity and allow students to get more in depth understanding of a topic.
KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Jan 23 @ 9:30 PM EST
A3 A tchr told me she had a DLL who was focused on trains -didn’t want to talk about much else. It’s not just a language question
#ELLCHAT
Mzleitch
Jan 23 @ 9:30 PM EST
True, all teachers are trying to strike a balance. Help students have well-rounded interests.
#ELLchat
In reply to @KarenNemethEdM
FloradTeach
Jan 23 @ 9:30 PM EST
We have
@WelcomeCentres
where new families go. They help assess Ss and get info about background and schooling, get great info
#ellchat
In reply to @WelcomeCentres
TanELLclassroom
Jan 23 @ 9:31 PM EST
A2: Maybe the question is "What do we want ELs to do? Can depth or breath faciliate that".
#ellchat
FloradTeach
Jan 23 @ 9:32 PM EST
did she pursue that child's interest? Could be a way in!
#ellchat
In reply to @KarenNemethEdM
KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Jan 23 @ 9:32 PM EST
A3 I wonder if older grades focus on exposure to course-specific vocab exposure, but early grades are all over the place?
#ELLCHAT
KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Jan 23 @ 9:33 PM EST
Yes - strong interest can usually be a way in, but this tchr said no he wouldn’t talk about anything else. Hmmm.
#ELLCHAT
FloradTeach
Jan 23 @ 9:32 PM EST
did she pursue that child's interest? Could be a way in!
#ellchat
In reply to @KarenNemethEdM
MrMathAHS
Jan 23 @ 9:33 PM EST
#ELLCHAT
In HS we focus mostly on content vocab in our classes with ELLs.
In reply to @KarenNemethEdM
FloradTeach
Jan 23 @ 9:34 PM EST
Maybe a lost possibility ... hmmm
#ELLCHAT
In reply to @KarenNemethEdM
KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Jan 23 @ 9:35 PM EST
A3 Right for HS, but I wonder how many ESL tchrs really check vocab/topic needs w/ preK or K teachers. We need that co-planning!
#ELLCHAT
MrMathAHS
Jan 23 @ 9:33 PM EST
#ELLCHAT
In HS we focus mostly on content vocab in our classes with ELLs.
In reply to @KarenNemethEdM
FloradTeach
Jan 23 @ 9:35 PM EST
#ELLCHAT
oops .. meant to say ... lost opportunity
FloradTeach
Jan 23 @ 9:34 PM EST
Maybe a lost possibility ... hmmm
#ELLCHAT
In reply to @KarenNemethEdM
TheESOLNinja
Jan 23 @ 9:35 PM EST
I agree with that thought. However, I find that many long-term ELLs are still missing early grades vocab as well
#ellchat
In reply to @KarenNemethEdM
TanELLclassroom
Jan 23 @ 9:36 PM EST
A2:Maybe breath is appropriate when setting a context & depth is used for further Ss-driven investigation. From general to specific
#ellchat
vsdainton
Jan 23 @ 9:37 PM EST
A3 Parent here-sometimes teachers forget to use family funds of knowledge & include family/create relationship to get a glimpse
#ELLCHAT
KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Jan 23 @ 9:37 PM EST
A3 I did workshop for admins today - I told them no ESL tchr should plan activities for young ELLs without talking to their tchr!
#ELLCHAT
MelissaDiDonato
Jan 23 @ 9:37 PM EST
A3 content vocab development is a focus in preK -5
@PadoniaPride
- collaborative planning between classroom and ESL tchrs
#ELLCHAT
KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Jan 23 @ 9:35 PM EST
A3 Right for HS, but I wonder how many ESL tchrs really check vocab/topic needs w/ preK or K teachers. We need that co-planning!
#ELLCHAT
MrMathAHS
Jan 23 @ 9:33 PM EST
#ELLCHAT
In HS we focus mostly on content vocab in our classes with ELLs.
In reply to @KarenNemethEdM
SNRam18
Jan 23 @ 9:37 PM EST
I organized our K phonics curriculum to sequence the same as the K teachers. I support other topics if I have time
#ELLChat
In reply to @KarenNemethEdM
KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Jan 23 @ 9:38 PM EST
A3 I hope to find a way to guide preK and K tchrs to offer intentional, planned exposure - not just use as excuse for everything
#ELLCHAT
SNRam18
Jan 23 @ 9:38 PM EST
unfortunately, there just isn't enough time!
#ELLCHAT
In reply to @KarenNemethEdM
KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Jan 23 @ 9:39 PM EST
Q4 What are challenges of trying to build depth of knowledge for ELLs?
#ELLCHAT
TheESOLNinja
Jan 23 @ 9:40 PM EST
A4: In most cases, building depth requires students to read. Finding appropriate texts can be a challenge.
#ellchat
MrMathAHS
Jan 23 @ 9:40 PM EST
#ELLCHAT
A4 Time, giving the students the oppertunity to develop the understanding on their own timeframe, verses the pacing of the class.
KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Jan 23 @ 9:41 PM EST
A4 The other side of this question - When Ss are ready for deep exploration of topic, how can we help ELLs participate well?
#ELLCHAT
Mzleitch
Jan 23 @ 9:41 PM EST
#ELLCHAT
A4: Lack of contact time and spread too thin between classes. We have a LOT of ELLs. Daily co-teaching would be amazing!
FloradTeach
Jan 23 @ 9:41 PM EST
A5 Their schema or lack of it depending on skill or concept being taught
#ELLCHAT
MelissaDiDonato
Jan 23 @ 9:41 PM EST
A4 prioritizing the skills/concepts that need to be taught, really examining the standards to identify essential skills
#ELLCHAT
KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Jan 23 @ 9:39 PM EST
Q4 What are challenges of trying to build depth of knowledge for ELLs?
#ELLCHAT
lauragrisso
Jan 23 @ 9:42 PM EST
Coteaching for ELs, MEI registration & more in this LCS Bulletin
@tpsmultilingual
#successtps
#teamtulsa
#ellchat
https://t.co/2G7mw8AmOL
In reply to @TPSMultilingual
MrMathAHS
Jan 23 @ 9:42 PM EST
#ELLCHAT
A4b giving students the recourses they need to better understand the material. Providing supports outside the classroom.
MrC_A2
Jan 23 @ 9:42 PM EST
A4 My recent challenges have been my own perceived limitations. Now imagining
#experientiallearning
to boost depth
#ellchat
In reply to @KarenNemethEdM
MMoMarroquin
Jan 23 @ 9:42 PM EST
Q4 This is a great article related to DOK & ELL
#ellchat
Beth from Cali
https://t.co/hhe4GiY4Uw
EmilyDESOL383
Jan 23 @ 9:43 PM EST
A4: we have majority ELLs also economically disadvantaged- large sense of hopelessness. Ss often Q? relevance to their lives.
#ellchat
KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Jan 23 @ 9:43 PM EST
A4 I think the word “prioritizing” is key to this question. Sometimes tchrs feel they have to cover so much that little sticks
#ELLCHAT
MelissaDiDonato
Jan 23 @ 9:41 PM EST
A4 prioritizing the skills/concepts that need to be taught, really examining the standards to identify essential skills
#ELLCHAT
KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Jan 23 @ 9:39 PM EST
Q4 What are challenges of trying to build depth of knowledge for ELLs?
#ELLCHAT
FloradTeach
Jan 23 @ 9:43 PM EST
#ELLCHAT
Need to scaffold and differentiate so that they can fully participate, need to have something in place to help them
KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Jan 23 @ 9:41 PM EST
A4 The other side of this question - When Ss are ready for deep exploration of topic, how can we help ELLs participate well?
#ELLCHAT
MrC_A2
Jan 23 @ 9:43 PM EST
Confined in some ways by limiting myself to traditional teaching strategies. When experience might be more powerful
#ellchat
In reply to @KarenNemethEdM
Mzleitch
Jan 23 @ 9:43 PM EST
#ELLCHAT
A4: serious co-planning skills so that ELLs have been exposed early to lower tier vocab. Strong scaffolds in place as well.
cate_janice
Jan 23 @ 9:44 PM EST
A3: I like using collections of trade books in themes. It helps to reuse vocabulary and build on concepts from book to book.
#ELLChat
dan_pizzo
Jan 23 @ 9:44 PM EST
A4. Navigating the waters by bridging connections to student knowledge and lesson expectations.
#ELLCHAT
HSeslteacher
Jan 23 @ 9:44 PM EST
A4: Can't go deep without some surface level (background) knowledge. Fisher, Frey & Hattie (2016)
#ELLChat
MrMathAHS
Jan 23 @ 9:44 PM EST
#ELLCHAT
@HSeslteacher
might be a good resource for our class.
In reply to @HSeslteacher
MMoMarroquin
Jan 23 @ 9:42 PM EST
Q4 This is a great article related to DOK & ELL
#ellchat
Beth from Cali
https://t.co/hhe4GiY4Uw
KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Jan 23 @ 9:44 PM EST
A4 At some point we need a way to help tchrs prioritize and be confident that true depth provides a LOT of exposure via one topic
#ELLCHAT
MrsRussoSTAT
Jan 23 @ 9:44 PM EST
A4 It takes time, Ts must assess background knowledge, and plan for varying DOK levels
#ellchat
FloradTeach
Jan 23 @ 9:44 PM EST
This is great, thanks for sharing
#ELLCHAT
In reply to @MMoMarroquin
TwitLiveEvents
Jan 23 @ 9:45 PM EST
January 23, 2017 at 10:00PM Twitter Chat -
#ellchat
#TwitterChat
Visit
https://t.co/52cTeoQ3Zw
for more events.
KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Jan 23 @ 9:45 PM EST
A4 For
#Earlyed
I say we can cover depth in EVERY learning domain just during mealtime! Then use rest of day to play ;)
#ELLCHAT
SNRam18
Jan 23 @ 9:46 PM EST
A4 Trying 2 pick the most important topics/skills, taking time 2 build on basics & remembering that it will take time
#ELLCHAT
KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Jan 23 @ 9:46 PM EST
A4 I wish someone would do a study about LOST info- what if we measure how much time tchrs spend on topics that Ss forget?
#ELLCHAT
Mzleitch
Jan 23 @ 9:46 PM EST
#ELLCHAT
A4: ES teachers, have you explored Mystery Science? We are seeing great success so far with the NGSS standards and our students.
MelissaDiDonato
Jan 23 @ 9:47 PM EST
A4 School admins play a role in supporting 'prioritizing'. Empowering Ts to examine standards/modify curriculum must occur
#ELLCHAT
KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Jan 23 @ 9:43 PM EST
A4 I think the word “prioritizing” is key to this question. Sometimes tchrs feel they have to cover so much that little sticks
#ELLCHAT
MelissaDiDonato
Jan 23 @ 9:41 PM EST
A4 prioritizing the skills/concepts that need to be taught, really examining the standards to identify essential skills
#ELLCHAT
KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Jan 23 @ 9:39 PM EST
Q4 What are challenges of trying to build depth of knowledge for ELLs?
#ELLCHAT
KarenNemethEdM
- Moderator
Jan 23 @ 9:47 PM EST
A4 That’s data we don’t have but would be useful to show tchrs they can cut out this topic or that because it rarely works.
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oliviaj98
Jan 23 @ 9:47 PM EST
A4 Sometimes I don't know what is best for the child to help them learn.
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MMoMarroquin
Jan 23 @ 9:47 PM EST
A4 I think finding culturally relevant resources is also important Esp when teaching content
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FloradTeach
Jan 23 @ 9:48 PM EST
Need to go, a great chat. thank you !
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KarenNemethEdM
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Jan 23 @ 9:48 PM EST
Q5 How does your curriculum help or hurt your efforts to achieve this depth/exposure balance for ELLs?
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KarenNemethEdM
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Jan 23 @ 9:48 PM EST
Thanks for your input on
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KarenNemethEdM
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Jan 23 @ 9:49 PM EST
A5 When I told some
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tchrs to stop using Chicka Chicka Boom Boom book for DLLs, they said it is required in curriculum :(
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EmilyDESOL383
Jan 23 @ 9:49 PM EST
A5: our elem ELA curriculum does not have enough non-fiction.
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MrC_A2
Jan 23 @ 9:50 PM EST
Using culturally relevant pedagogy strategies I deconstruct, rebuild, and re-align curriculum to support EL ss learning experience.
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MrMathAHS
Jan 23 @ 9:50 PM EST
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A5 With developing our Ess. Stds it has helps to be able to see our focus in what we spend our time on in class.
Mzleitch
Jan 23 @ 9:50 PM EST
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Q5: Too much stuff. Depth can be achieved if there is time for true understanding and transfer.
TheESOLNinja
Jan 23 @ 9:50 PM EST
A5 In many cases, the curriculum requires in depth mastery while the pacing guide allows for exposure
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MrC_A2
Jan 23 @ 9:50 PM EST
A5) Using culturally relevant pedagogy strategies I deconstruct, rebuild, and re-align curriculum to support EL learning experience
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KarenNemethEdM
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Jan 23 @ 9:51 PM EST
A5 Another thing I told admins today: they have to give permission for tchrs to bend curriculum/write flexible lesson plans
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MrMathAHS
Jan 23 @ 9:51 PM EST
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Teachers need to remember what is Ess. is what needs to be taught in-depth. The other stuff is fluff and can be breath.
MelissaDiDonato
Jan 23 @ 9:51 PM EST
A5 School admins need to empower Ts to make sound instructional decisions for students based upon standards not recommended texts
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KarenNemethEdM
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Jan 23 @ 9:48 PM EST
Q5 How does your curriculum help or hurt your efforts to achieve this depth/exposure balance for ELLs?
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KarenNemethEdM
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Jan 23 @ 9:51 PM EST
A5 I think that’s why project based learning is gaining so much popularity in programs for ELLs
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Mzleitch
Jan 23 @ 9:50 PM EST
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Q5: Too much stuff. Depth can be achieved if there is time for true understanding and transfer.
HSeslteacher
Jan 23 @ 9:52 PM EST
That's "tail wagging the dog" Essential standards should drive what we're teaching, not curriculum! It's a resource
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MrMathAHS
Jan 23 @ 9:52 PM EST
This is so very true many teachers don't think they have much control over their content.
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dan_pizzo
Jan 23 @ 9:52 PM EST
A5 - Pacing. Too high paced, with not enough time to explore what some may view as minutia. ELLs may see as critical.
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MrsRussoSTAT
Jan 23 @ 9:53 PM EST
A5 Ts feel pressure of pacing guides but need to remember to meet Ss at their level which may mean choosing a new text or scaffolds
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SNRam18
Jan 23 @ 9:53 PM EST
A5 Our curriculum is 4 ELLs. It has tips 2 limit or + more. If I add, I make mini lessons w/several levels. I move at Ss pace
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KarenNemethEdM
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Jan 23 @ 9:55 PM EST
A5 I like to say standards are the ingredients, curriculum is the recipe of how they’re used. Different chefs=different results
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HSeslteacher
Jan 23 @ 9:52 PM EST
That's "tail wagging the dog" Essential standards should drive what we're teaching, not curriculum! It's a resource
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In reply to @KarenNemethEdM
KarenNemethEdM
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Jan 23 @ 9:56 PM EST
Q6 What strategies/resources have contributed to successful implementation of depth and exposure for ELLs?
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KarenNemethEdM
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Jan 23 @ 9:57 PM EST
A6 Tonight’s chat is unusual in that almost all comments are from you - very few links so far. Great ideas shared!
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MrMathAHS
Jan 23 @ 9:57 PM EST
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A6
@HSeslteacher
and
@KschuldtESL
have been great resources over the years for helping me with my ELLs
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SNRam18
Jan 23 @ 9:58 PM EST
Its National Geographics Reach @ the elem level. Units have Social Studies or Science themes w/diverse literature
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MMoMarroquin
Jan 23 @ 9:58 PM EST
A5 the hard part about curriculum is that it can't do it all!
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Mzleitch
Jan 23 @ 9:58 PM EST
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A6: WIDA and the can-dos and MPIs. Cognitive functions remain the same, scaffold for language.
KarenNemethEdM
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Jan 23 @ 9:59 PM EST
A5 - nor should it! good point!
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MMoMarroquin
Jan 23 @ 9:58 PM EST
A5 the hard part about curriculum is that it can't do it all!
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