#langchat Archive

#LangChat is dedicated to the discussion of topics associated with issues and trends in world language instruction and learning. Educators, administrators, learners, and aficionados of world languages are encouraged to participate and share their experiences and input on various topics such as new ways to teach vocabulary, using music in the language classroom, and making standards-based grading valid. This chat is also unique in that it brings together language educators worldwide and from different contexts (elementary, secondary, higher education, etc.) and languages.
Thursday January 5, 2017
8:00 PM EST
  • PRHSspanish Jan 5 @ 8:00 PM EST
    Alright, alright, alright! Welcome to #langchat. Here's tonight's topic; let's introduce ourselves! Meredith, Spanish tchr in ATL!
  • PRHSspanish Jan 5 @ 8:01 PM EST
    Alright, alright, alright (in my best Matthew M. voice)! Welcome to #langchat! Tonight's topic is below; let's introduce ourselves!
  • ADiazMora Jan 5 @ 8:02 PM EST
    Hi #langchat Amanda from WI, Spanish 2-4
  • PRHSspanish Jan 5 @ 8:02 PM EST
    I'm Meredith, Spanish teacher just north of ATL - just started second semester today on block, level 2! #langchat
  • SraStilson Jan 5 @ 8:02 PM EST
    Good evening, #langchat! Melanie in Ohio, Spanish 1-2
  • LesliePhillips3 Jan 5 @ 8:02 PM EST
    Leslie Phillips, MS Spanish in Indianapolis. Hola, langchat! #langchat
  • MlleSulewski Jan 5 @ 8:02 PM EST
    Bonne année #langchat! Megan, French 2-AP, Detroit-ish.
  • SenoraLauraCG Jan 5 @ 8:03 PM EST
    Laura Catherine HS Spanish 3 and AP in Iowa #langchat
  • AHSblaz Jan 5 @ 8:03 PM EST
    Bonne anniversaire Feliz cumpleaños #langchat
  • ProfeCochran Jan 5 @ 8:03 PM EST
    Hi #langchat ! I'm Courtney and I teach High School Spanish 1, 2pap, 3pap, AP, SHL1, SHL2... 😴 Glad to "see" you all!
  • profepj3 Jan 5 @ 8:03 PM EST
    Hey there, #langchat! I'm Paul in Memphis teaching Spanish 3,4,AP. I wore my #langchat shirt today b/c it's Thursday. Obvi.
  • MmeBlouwolff Jan 5 @ 8:03 PM EST
    Bonsoir & bonne année 2017! Rebecca, MS French teacher in chilly Boston. How I've missed you folks! #langchat
  • senoritawood Jan 5 @ 8:03 PM EST
    Hello! I'm Liz, from Philly, Spanish I #langchat
  • PRHSspanish Jan 5 @ 8:03 PM EST
    But of course! #langchat
    • profepj3 Jan 5 @ 8:03 PM EST
      Hey there, #langchat! I'm Paul in Memphis teaching Spanish 3,4,AP. I wore my #langchat shirt today b/c it's Thursday. Obvi.
  • jadelman75 Jan 5 @ 8:03 PM EST
    Julie from Chicago suburbs, MS Spanish #DepartmentOfOne #langchat
  • BThompsonEdu Jan 5 @ 8:03 PM EST
    Bethany, French, CA jumping in out for about 15 minutes #langchat
  • SraStilson Jan 5 @ 8:03 PM EST
    I mean, Spanish 1-3, oops! #langchat
  • JessieOelke Jan 5 @ 8:04 PM EST
    Jessie from #deepfreeze MN. I teach Spanish I-IV #deptofone #langchat
  • profepj3 Jan 5 @ 8:04 PM EST
    I was wondering what to wear this morning, then I remembered that it was Thursday, so the choice was already made. #langchat.
    In reply to @PRHSspanish
  • dressurleben Jan 5 @ 8:04 PM EST
    Spanish 3 teacher from Seattle here! My exchange teacher from Australia arrives tomorrow and I'm PUMPED to host her!!! #langchat
  • languagehead Jan 5 @ 8:04 PM EST
    Hello, #langchat, Charlotte here, community college prof in western MA.
  • doriecp Jan 5 @ 8:04 PM EST
    Hi #langchat! I'm Dorie, Span teacher grades 1-5. Chatting tonight while road tripping from FL to CT (don't worry, I'm not driving 🙃)
  • GrowingFrench Jan 5 @ 8:05 PM EST
    Good evening Language chat from KY Middle school French and French IV #langchat
  • giveawaynood Jan 5 @ 8:05 PM EST
    Hi #langchat! I'm Dorie, Span teacher grades 1-5. Chatting tonight while road tripping from FL to CT (don't worry, I'm not driving )
  • laprofeelena11 Jan 5 @ 8:06 PM EST
    Eileen CT teach AP Spanish and WL coordinator grades 3-12 #langchat
  • tmsaue1 Jan 5 @ 8:06 PM EST
    greetings from the bluegrass state which is looking a little more white than usual this evening. #langchat
  • MlleSulewski Jan 5 @ 8:06 PM EST
    I'm excited for the topic tonight...I literally JUST talked to curriculum coordinator today about this very subject. #langchat
  • SraWilliams3 Jan 5 @ 8:06 PM EST
    Amanda from Lawrence, KS. Spanish 1-2 #langchat
  • ProfRoche Jan 5 @ 8:07 PM EST
    Sacré bleu! How to draw Zorro video in French. Too cute! #langchat
  • PRHSspanish Jan 5 @ 8:07 PM EST
    #langchat SAME! Introduced my students to proficiency today (block schedule, new ss).
    • MlleSulewski Jan 5 @ 8:06 PM EST
      I'm excited for the topic tonight...I literally JUST talked to curriculum coordinator today about this very subject. #langchat
  • dressurleben Jan 5 @ 8:07 PM EST
    I also just registered this week to start the NBCT process. Scheduling my ACTFL OPI and WPT for February. Wish me luck ;) #langchat
  • SoyBolingual Jan 5 @ 8:07 PM EST
    I'm Robin, MS/HS Spanish teacher in southern Ohio. Spent 1st snow day of the year finishing end of quarter grades. #langchat
  • PRHSspanish Jan 5 @ 8:08 PM EST
    #langchat So many levels and languages from all over the place -- langchat is rockin' tonight! Q1 in 2 min.! Remember to respond w/ A1
  • joyeuse212 Jan 5 @ 8:08 PM EST
    Jennifer, French 1-4, St. Louis #langchat
  • VTracy7 Jan 5 @ 8:09 PM EST
    I'M HERE! #langchat Greetings from Louisiana!!! Viviana-Spanish for the Middles.
  • magisterb480 Jan 5 @ 8:09 PM EST
    Chris, Latin 1-4, Erie, PA; will be checking into #langchat from time to time!
  • lushluxe Jan 5 @ 8:09 PM EST
    Bonne année à mes collègues #langchat - Sally, French 1, Overton HS, Metro Nashville PS
  • SrMcMaine Jan 5 @ 8:10 PM EST
    Ben, Spanish 6-12, Lexington KY #langchat
  • profepj3 Jan 5 @ 8:10 PM EST
    Howdy, neighbor! Up the road in Nash Vegas!! #langchat
    In reply to @lushluxe
  • klasekastellano Jan 5 @ 8:11 PM EST
    I am Alicia Q from Chicago. I teach Spanish levels 1-4 #langchat
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 5 @ 8:11 PM EST
    Hey, #langchat! Laura in NC, and I legit have TEN kids in NON online Spanish 3! (Mixed in with 2 of course #butstill)
  • PRHSspanish Jan 5 @ 8:12 PM EST
    Heeeeeere we go! Q1 on #langchat! How much time do your ss spend in a course, and what is the prof. target for each? (put A1 in answer!)
  • MbiraAbby Jan 5 @ 8:12 PM EST
    Howdy #langchat Abby in Indiana. I teach Spanish 1 @YOUR_CPMS
    In reply to @YOUR_CPMS
  • tjeag Jan 5 @ 8:13 PM EST
    #langchat A bit late. Tim here outside of BOSTON! Center of the Universe. LOL
  • MaCristinaRV Jan 5 @ 8:13 PM EST
    Hello, #langchat Cristina from Miami. I teach the littles:) It's "víspera de Reyes". Did you collect grass for the camels?
  • ADiazMora Jan 5 @ 8:13 PM EST
    A1 5 days a week/ 50 minutes for the academic year; lvl 2= NH, lvl 3=IL, and lvl 4 = IM #langchat
  • ProfeCochran Jan 5 @ 8:13 PM EST
    A1) 50min/day, 189 day school year. My Ss choose their personal targets #langchat
  • MlleSulewski Jan 5 @ 8:13 PM EST
    A1 1 year per level. Go through level 5(AP). No uniform prof. level exp per our dept, but I follow MI standard of NH after 2 yrs #langchat
  • LesliePhillips3 Jan 5 @ 8:13 PM EST
    A1 Our students have about 220 minutes per week. We have not established proficiency targets at our school. #langchat
  • jadelman75 Jan 5 @ 8:13 PM EST
    A1: I teach 7th and 8th grade, and my students are just beginning their language study. 44 min/day, yearlong class. #langchat
  • klasekastellano Jan 5 @ 8:13 PM EST
    Looks like I have finally figured it out how to engage in the convo. This is my first time. Actually, first time hastaggin #langchat
  • SraStilson Jan 5 @ 8:14 PM EST
    A1 classes just under 50 minutes. ~175 class days per year (minus special days, snow days, etc.), my expectation is 1: NH, 2 IL #langchat
  • JessieOelke Jan 5 @ 8:14 PM EST
    This is exactly what I do in my district. #langchat
    In reply to @ADiazMora
  • profepj3 Jan 5 @ 8:14 PM EST
    Welcome!! #langchat
    In reply to @klasekastellano
  • MbiraAbby Jan 5 @ 8:14 PM EST
    A1 my sts take a year-long level 1 course. Prof. target IL by end of year #langchat
  • jadelman75 Jan 5 @ 8:14 PM EST
    A1: I'm trying to put proficiency goals into place, but am working solo. Definitely looking for guidance #langchat
  • JessieOelke Jan 5 @ 8:14 PM EST
    For those that want IL/IM in only 2 years, what do you have them do to get there? #langchat
    In reply to @ProfeCochran
  • FLENJ Jan 5 @ 8:14 PM EST
    Present a session @NJEA Convention in Nov & represent WL: go to https://t.co/MCRz3oKR74. Indicate FLENJ as the affiliate #langchat #njed
    In reply to @NJEA
  • MlleSulewski Jan 5 @ 8:14 PM EST
    A1 I hope everyone is solidly IL by end of level 3, but Intermed.gets a little hairy. So 3-AP for me is "somewhere in Intm. range" #langchat
  • SraWilliams3 Jan 5 @ 8:14 PM EST
    A1: Ss have class all year, 2 semesters, approx 4.5 hrs a week (3 54 min classes then a 90 min class) #langchat
  • MmeBlouwolff Jan 5 @ 8:15 PM EST
    A1 45 minutes daily for 180 days/year. Year 1 (French 7) =NH, Year 2 (French 8) =IL, Year 3=IM...not sure after that as I'm at MS. #langchat
  • GrowingFrench Jan 5 @ 8:15 PM EST
    Year long block schedule . End of Middle School = IL, (French II) end of French IV = IH #langchat
  • JessieOelke Jan 5 @ 8:15 PM EST
    The green is buried under an ice layer :( No grass here #langchat
    In reply to @MaCristinaRV
  • SrMcMaine Jan 5 @ 8:15 PM EST
    A1 This looks like 2 questions to me. My classes are variable. Block sch for HS, daily for MS, but my MS sts split time w/ 中文 #langchat
  • SraStilson Jan 5 @ 8:15 PM EST
    I struggle more setting a whole-class goal for lvl 3, as well #langchat
    In reply to @MlleSulewski
  • dressurleben Jan 5 @ 8:15 PM EST
    A1:135 hours per year. Level 1: NH Level 2: IL Level 3: IM AP: IH I'm open to suggestions about improving this. Seems impossible #langchat
  • PRHSspanish Jan 5 @ 8:15 PM EST
    A1 Ours spend a semester, 90 min every day, for a 'year' credit, level 1 NH, level 2 IL, level 3+ TBD... #langchat
  • kballestrini Jan 5 @ 8:16 PM EST
    A1: Approximately 120 minutes per week. Progress is slower than I’d like. After 7th + 8th, hope to have ‘em into Intermed. #langchat
  • doriecp Jan 5 @ 8:16 PM EST
    A1 Ss are in FLES program for grades 1-5. We teach for intermediate profiency. Most Ss graduate FLES at NH-IL. #langchat
  • profepj3 Jan 5 @ 8:16 PM EST
    A1: Almost the same, but we separate for lvl 2 to be I1, lvl 3 to be I2, etc. #langchat
    • SraStilson Jan 5 @ 8:14 PM EST
      A1 classes just under 50 minutes. ~175 class days per year (minus special days, snow days, etc.), my expectation is 1: NH, 2 IL #langchat
  • senoraCMT Jan 5 @ 8:16 PM EST
    Hey #langchat Carrie from IL arriving late! HS Spanish 1-4
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 5 @ 8:16 PM EST
    Spanish 2 started today after 1 year with no Spanish (1 semester with)--they're still mostly Novice high it seems! #langchat
  • MlleSulewski Jan 5 @ 8:16 PM EST
    Let us not forget that true acquisition can be a slooooooow process :) #langchat
  • LesliePhillips3 Jan 5 @ 8:16 PM EST
    A1: So how are you measuring this? AAPL? STAMP? #langchat
  • languagehead Jan 5 @ 8:16 PM EST
    A1 #langchat In my cc setting, we get 70 hrs class+lab/semester Our pilot prof goals: 101 NH/102 IL. 200 in discussion: split as in AAPPL?
  • senoritawood Jan 5 @ 8:17 PM EST
    A1 6th 2 days/ week, 7th 3 days/week, 8th 4 days/week for 45 min. My target 🎯 for end of 8th grade is NH #langchat
  • SoyBolingual Jan 5 @ 8:17 PM EST
    @OHEducation recommends these targets for languages w/Latin alphabet https://t.co/gZKkad23AJ #langchat
    In reply to @OHEducation
  • MrM0REHEAD Jan 5 @ 8:17 PM EST
    A1 I see my MS students about 70 hrs a year. Proficiency targets: Gr6=NM Gr7=NM/NH Gr8=NH/IL #langchat
  • MlleSulewski Jan 5 @ 8:17 PM EST
    That's a question coming up! :) #langchat
    In reply to @LesliePhillips3
  • SraStilson Jan 5 @ 8:17 PM EST
    A1 Also have to mention, it's so hard to asses proficiency...I ask Ss for EVIDENCE of those levels, but it's really performance #langchat
  • jadelman75 Jan 5 @ 8:17 PM EST
    A1: Is Intermediate Low appropriate expectation for 2-yr middle school program? #langchat
  • ADiazMora Jan 5 @ 8:17 PM EST
    A1 when I look at prof levels, I always think back at student teachers' requirements which is Adv. Low in WI #langchat
  • profepj3 Jan 5 @ 8:17 PM EST
    A1b: Since my Ss' growth is tied to my eval, I say that the number of the lvl is the target, eg Span 3's target is I3. #langchat
  • LesliePhillips3 Jan 5 @ 8:17 PM EST
    Didn't mean to get ahead of you! LOL! I'll be patient. :) #langchat
    In reply to @MlleSulewski
  • dressurleben Jan 5 @ 8:17 PM EST
    A1: Really depends on how we define proficiency b/c at school, after studying and preparation, my exams are more like performances #langchat
  • magisterb480 Jan 5 @ 8:18 PM EST
    A1 1 year for 1-3, 1/2 year in L4. Still new to this proficiency level thing but I'd say my Latin 2s are solidly NH approaching IL #langchat
  • ADiazMora Jan 5 @ 8:18 PM EST
    IMHO...no #langchat only bc it depends on if its every other day and how it is split up
    In reply to @jadelman75
  • MCanion Jan 5 @ 8:18 PM EST
    Seems a few years needed at IL especially if whole class averaged. #langchat
    In reply to @dressurleben
  • senoritawood Jan 5 @ 8:18 PM EST
    I don't think so! I definitely have students who get there #langchat
    In reply to @jadelman75
  • doriecp Jan 5 @ 8:18 PM EST
    A1 our classes are 25 min long 3x/week. #langchat
    • doriecp Jan 5 @ 8:16 PM EST
      A1 Ss are in FLES program for grades 1-5. We teach for intermediate profiency. Most Ss graduate FLES at NH-IL. #langchat
  • Sra_Kennedy Jan 5 @ 8:19 PM EST
    A1 I see my #earlylang Ss every other day for 25 min. My target is NM w/ some getting to NH but only If they're there K-5 #langchat
  • tmsaue1 Jan 5 @ 8:19 PM EST
    A1: should we differentiate between proficiency targets and performance expectations? #muddiedwaters #langchat
  • SraStilson Jan 5 @ 8:19 PM EST
    Is this recommended, or what they say is most likely for AVERAGE, regardless of teaching style? Can push higher w/focus on prof? #langchat
  • mllewilliams Jan 5 @ 8:19 PM EST
    A1 43 min/day, 5 days/wk. 1 lvl/yr. No official proficiencies but my course targets: 2H at NH, 3G at IL and 4 and 5 (reg) at IL/IM #langchat
  • SraWilliams3 Jan 5 @ 8:19 PM EST
    A1, cont'd my district says students NH by end of level 1 but doesn't say anything about levels 2-5 #langchat
  • senoraCMT Jan 5 @ 8:19 PM EST
    intermediate low on topics they know well (performance) but not proficiency overall probably #langchat
    In reply to @jadelman75
  • MbiraAbby Jan 5 @ 8:19 PM EST
    A1 I see "proficiency", what I use are the performance @actfl guide. curious if we are talking performance or proficiency levels? #langchat
    In reply to @actfl
  • SrMcMaine Jan 5 @ 8:20 PM EST
    A1 We are NH at the end of yr 1, except in Interp listening, which is IL, then up to IL in everything for the most part by yr 2 #langchat
  • Sra_Kennedy Jan 5 @ 8:20 PM EST
    how many minutes per week? #langchat
    In reply to @doriecp
  • MlleSulewski Jan 5 @ 8:20 PM EST
    I have a hard time assigning a prof level to any S; too sympathetic an audience. Performance can vary wildly from task 2 task also #langchat
  • tjeag Jan 5 @ 8:20 PM EST
    #langchat YES. I always wonder why we don't call them PERFORMANCE targets instead.
    In reply to @tmsaue1
  • MCanion Jan 5 @ 8:20 PM EST
    And 47% of teacher candidates in Spanish reach Advanced low. #langchat
    In reply to @ADiazMora
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 5 @ 8:20 PM EST
    in the classroom we can really only ever ESTIMATE proficiency based on performances anyway, right @tmsaue1? #langchat
    In reply to @dressurleben, @tmsaue1
  • dressurleben Jan 5 @ 8:21 PM EST
    I agree. Then should we offer Level 2A and Level 2B - if they are both aligned to IL? #langchat
    In reply to @MCanion
  • ADiazMora Jan 5 @ 8:21 PM EST
    I graduated in 2008 so maybe..but still proves that how to expect Ss at IH if only teachers need to be IH?!? #langchat
    In reply to @dressurleben
  • tmsaue1 Jan 5 @ 8:21 PM EST
    since we don't really teach or assess proficiency, I like that idea. #langchat
    • tjeag Jan 5 @ 8:20 PM EST
      #langchat YES. I always wonder why we don't call them PERFORMANCE targets instead.
      In reply to @tmsaue1
  • lushluxe Jan 5 @ 8:21 PM EST
    A1 this is my 1st year at my school & 1st year French has been taught since 2000ish. I have 5 1s & 1 IGSCE 1 on a/b block #langchat
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 5 @ 8:21 PM EST
    I think when we say proficiency, we're talking in generalizations based on performances #langchat
    In reply to @SraStilson
  • PRHSspanish Jan 5 @ 8:21 PM EST
    #langchat Q2, coming right up! Wow - lots of great comments on performance vs proficiency and how they work together. Tough stuff!
  • PRHSspanish Jan 5 @ 8:21 PM EST
    #langchat Q2: What are some reasons for variations in proficiency targets across programs?
  • VTracy7 Jan 5 @ 8:22 PM EST
    A1: I have 50 minute classes that meet M-F #langchat
  • MCanion Jan 5 @ 8:22 PM EST
    You would need a checklist of topics within the prof range that ss hit. Collect enough of the topics...#langchat
    In reply to @tjeag, @tmsaue1
  • profepj3 Jan 5 @ 8:22 PM EST
    Which is also probably why we're seeing so many different targets for A1 #langchat
    In reply to @tjeag, @tmsaue1
  • dressurleben Jan 5 @ 8:22 PM EST
    Yes, we should. #langchat. Without an AAPPL (or sim) test, it would be hard to assess true proficiency unless you are MOPI trained
    In reply to @tmsaue1
  • jadelman75 Jan 5 @ 8:22 PM EST
    Definitely agree- we're estimating their proficiency level, based on performances we see. #langchat
    In reply to @SraSpanglish, @SraStilson
  • lushluxe Jan 5 @ 8:22 PM EST
    A1 cont - shooting for novice high for my standard Fr 1s and Int low for IGSCE #langchat
  • MlleSulewski Jan 5 @ 8:22 PM EST
    A2 Fast vs slow processors, exposure time, CI use by teacher, performance or traditional assessments #langchat
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 5 @ 8:23 PM EST
    Lest we get too caught up parsing performance & proficiency... https://t.co/4iXUYd6Eyk #langchat
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 5 @ 8:23 PM EST
    Lest we get too caught up parsing performance & proficiency... https://t.co/CX4STzBeOL #langchat
  • tjeag Jan 5 @ 8:23 PM EST
    A2: #langchat Time + Frequency + Intensity in courses means program goals will vary.
  • CarolGaab Jan 5 @ 8:23 PM EST
    Wish measuring proficiency/IDing apprrop expectations could be this simple! Estimates for other lang? @SoyBolingual @OHEducation #langchat
    In reply to @SoyBolingual, @OHEducation
  • languagehead Jan 5 @ 8:23 PM EST
    A2 - diff languages will require diff contact time to reach same prof level! #langchat
  • ADiazMora Jan 5 @ 8:23 PM EST
    A2- number of minutes and days of language; Ss and Ts beackground #langchat
  • ProfeCochran Jan 5 @ 8:23 PM EST
    And doesn't this bring to light, again, for the need for WL teachers to be MOPI/OPI trained? #langchat
    • dressurleben Jan 5 @ 8:22 PM EST
      Yes, we should. #langchat. Without an AAPPL (or sim) test, it would be hard to assess true proficiency unless you are MOPI trained
      In reply to @tmsaue1
  • BThompsonEdu Jan 5 @ 8:23 PM EST
    A2: Contact hours, teaching styles, school particular constraints ...just brainstorming #langchat
  • magisterb480 Jan 5 @ 8:23 PM EST
    A2 It all depends on the students you have in your class. Work to their abilities, not where you think they should be #langchat
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 5 @ 8:23 PM EST
    I would say it depends on how much they meet. I aim for IL by the end of level 2, but that's with 90 minute classes #langchat
    In reply to @jadelman75
  • dressurleben Jan 5 @ 8:24 PM EST
    Case and point. IMO, the OPI and WPT are true proficiency, whereas tests in school are actually performances. #langchat
    In reply to @ADiazMora
  • MmeBlouwolff Jan 5 @ 8:24 PM EST
    A2 For me personally, my targets rose when others pushed me to imagine that IL's possible in French 8. Now I just go for it. #langchat
  • CarolGaab Jan 5 @ 8:24 PM EST
    I think it's hard to measure true fluency/profieincy even if you ARE trained. @dressurleben @tmsaue1 #langchat @teawithbvp
    In reply to @dressurleben, @tmsaue1, @teawithbvp
  • MlleSulewski Jan 5 @ 8:24 PM EST
    But performance over time LEADS to proficiency #langchat
    In reply to @dressurleben, @ADiazMora
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 5 @ 8:24 PM EST
    right, and OPI training ain't one of my tools personally #yet #langchat
    In reply to @SrMcMaine, @dressurleben, @tmsaue1
  • MlleSulewski Jan 5 @ 8:25 PM EST
    That stuff is $$$! #langchat
    In reply to @SraSpanglish
  • profepj3 Jan 5 @ 8:25 PM EST
    A2: Some Ts/districts don't totally understand how L2 is learned or how Ss can truly perform or what is possible. #langchat
  • doriecp Jan 5 @ 8:25 PM EST
    Even AAPPL(Assessment of Performance toward Proficiency in Language) is perform. In class we see performance *towards* proficiency #langchat
    • dressurleben Jan 5 @ 8:22 PM EST
      Yes, we should. #langchat. Without an AAPPL (or sim) test, it would be hard to assess true proficiency unless you are MOPI trained
      In reply to @tmsaue1
  • ADiazMora Jan 5 @ 8:25 PM EST
    I definitely teach to a higher level so totally agree...just go for it #langchat
    • MmeBlouwolff Jan 5 @ 8:24 PM EST
      A2 For me personally, my targets rose when others pushed me to imagine that IL's possible in French 8. Now I just go for it. #langchat
  • ProfeCochran Jan 5 @ 8:25 PM EST
    A2) I would assume contact time to be main factor. According to ACTFL >240 = IL for tier 1, right? #langchat
  • SoyBolingual Jan 5 @ 8:25 PM EST
    This is for MS/HS logographic languages #langchat https://t.co/gZKkad23AJ
    In reply to @CarolGaab, @OHEducation
  • languagehead Jan 5 @ 8:25 PM EST
    A1 to be clear, I'm all for perf-based assmnt - it's just not the same as true prof assmnt at the benchmarks. #langchat
  • MCanion Jan 5 @ 8:26 PM EST
    Comp input over time leads to proficiency #langchat
    In reply to @MlleSulewski, @dressurleben, @ADiazMora
  • MrM0REHEAD Jan 5 @ 8:26 PM EST
    A2: Variations may depend on time Sts spend in TL, contact time with Sts, content delivery structure, district/state expectations. #langchat
  • MlleSulewski Jan 5 @ 8:26 PM EST
    Q2 Is up now! #langchat
    • PRHSspanish Jan 5 @ 8:21 PM EST
      #langchat Q2: What are some reasons for variations in proficiency targets across programs?
  • profepj3 Jan 5 @ 8:26 PM EST
    A2b: There may also be a high turnover for WL Ts, so it may be difficult to stay the course and form a dept around common goals #langchat
  • GrowingFrench Jan 5 @ 8:26 PM EST
    It's interesting how a couple of high achiever/quick learners add to CI and help other students move up in proficiency in a class #langchat
  • SoyBolingual Jan 5 @ 8:26 PM EST
    This is a good way to put it. The best we can do is "classroom proficiency." @SraSpanglish #langchat
    In reply to @SraSpanglish
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 5 @ 8:26 PM EST
    Too true. 3rd and 4th period last semester were always 1/2 level off--point is for botj to grow #langchat
    • magisterb480 Jan 5 @ 8:23 PM EST
      A2 It all depends on the students you have in your class. Work to their abilities, not where you think they should be #langchat
  • ADiazMora Jan 5 @ 8:27 PM EST
    A2 motivation is big too..in my area, some Ss have skipped levels not bc they needed to, but wanted to and now they r suffering #langchat
  • MlleSulewski Jan 5 @ 8:27 PM EST
    Yes, but you can't acquire a skill without also practicing that skill. #langchat
    In reply to @MCanion, @dressurleben, @ADiazMora
  • ProfeMcNeely Jan 5 @ 8:27 PM EST
    Has anyone attended a Blaine Ray workshop? Thoughts? Would you recommend it? #langchat
  • LesliePhillips3 Jan 5 @ 8:27 PM EST
    I have. Highly recommend! TPRS is amazing. #langchat
    In reply to @ProfeMcNeely
  • ProfeCochran Jan 5 @ 8:28 PM EST
    I recommend trying anything and everything! Find what works for you! #langchat
    In reply to @ProfeMcNeely
  • VTracy7 Jan 5 @ 8:28 PM EST
    A2: Is it because the proficiency descriptors and ranges are hard to pinpoint? #langchat How much is OPI training?
  • MlleSulewski Jan 5 @ 8:28 PM EST
    My Ss attempt this all the time. I cannot express enough how much I hate having to explain that this is a bad idea. #langchat
    In reply to @ADiazMora
  • ADiazMora Jan 5 @ 8:29 PM EST
    agreed! I have learned so much more after my OPI #langchat
    In reply to @klasekastellano
  • MmeCarbonneau Jan 5 @ 8:29 PM EST
    #langchat For me, proficiency is what they remember long after the performance has come and gone.
    In reply to @PRHSspanish
  • spanish_rhodes Jan 5 @ 8:29 PM EST
    it's a like of agreement with your statement, but really a 😔 would be more appropriate. The turnover issue is so hard. #langchat
    In reply to @profepj3
  • SraStilson Jan 5 @ 8:29 PM EST
    Or taking a year off between 1/2 or 2/3 #langchat #theyneverbelievemebutalwaysregretit
    In reply to @MlleSulewski, @ADiazMora
  • profepj3 Jan 5 @ 8:29 PM EST
    Don't be afraid to experiment, stay the course to get results, but if you don't, then change course. #langchat
    In reply to @ProfeCochran, @ProfeMcNeely
  • SrMcMaine Jan 5 @ 8:29 PM EST
    Student background, early lang exposure. #langchat
  • SraWilliams3 Jan 5 @ 8:29 PM EST
    A2 I think bc many of us aren't trained in proficiency to assess using OPI. Need more practice to ID indicators #langchat
  • MbiraAbby Jan 5 @ 8:29 PM EST
    A2 #langchat the rubrics include "sometimes" "often" and those are hard to pinpoint btw colleagues & btw performances #PLCmemories
  • Kelly_Condon Jan 5 @ 8:29 PM EST
    These look like so much fun! ¿Cómo se dice "brain break" en español? ¿O usas tú el inglés? #langchat
  • ADiazMora Jan 5 @ 8:29 PM EST
    I just can't believe that schools allow this...we want Ss to be successful & this doesn't help #langchat
    In reply to @MlleSulewski
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 5 @ 8:30 PM EST
    A2 honestly? Legacy methods. If you insist on rule-based instruction, your kids won't be able to reach as high as fast #langchat
  • doriecp Jan 5 @ 8:30 PM EST
    NP! They tell you the topics ahead of time to prepare (unlike OPI) which is why it's performance. Our kids take it; we like it. #langchat
    In reply to @dressurleben
  • PRHSspanish Jan 5 @ 8:30 PM EST
    OK, so having said that, how do you address proficiency variation within a single course? Q3! #langchat
  • dressurleben Jan 5 @ 8:30 PM EST
    I did MOPI training 3 years ago. Completely changed my view of prof/performance and improved my ability to assess. #langchat
    In reply to @ProfeCochran
  • ProfeCochran Jan 5 @ 8:30 PM EST
    A3) Student-chosen goals, student-measured growth #langchat
  • CarolGaab Jan 5 @ 8:30 PM EST
    That's the million dollar quest 4 which there are 2-cent answ. MayB consider a combo of ways. #langchat
    In reply to @cchipl, @dressurleben, @tmsaue1
  • lushluxe Jan 5 @ 8:30 PM EST
    A2 differentiated levels of students (EE and ELL) in inclusive classrooms #langchat
  • MlleSulewski Jan 5 @ 8:31 PM EST
    Just goes to show how little admin knows about language acquisition. #langchat
    In reply to @ADiazMora
  • BThompsonEdu Jan 5 @ 8:31 PM EST
    A3: Differentiation everyone doesn't need to be at the same place at the same time to improve #langchat
  • languagehead Jan 5 @ 8:31 PM EST
    s OPI /MOPI training the best route? (done it twice) Or training it APPLYING proficiency to teaching and learning? #langchat
  • profepj3 Jan 5 @ 8:31 PM EST
    That's really a hard issue to deal with. :( #langchat
    In reply to @spanish_rhodes
  • MlleSulewski Jan 5 @ 8:31 PM EST
    A3 Student choice in assignments and assessments. #langchat
  • doriecp Jan 5 @ 8:31 PM EST
    Profiency is also a wide range of topics (both formally studied and not) while performance is only what you've practiced. #langchat
    In reply to @MmeCarbonneau, @PRHSspanish
  • ADiazMora Jan 5 @ 8:31 PM EST
    A3 I show them this & we talk about what it means. We are all at the same level and THAT'S OK #langchat
  • MlleSulewski Jan 5 @ 8:31 PM EST
    A3 Also a scaled rubric, if you can manage it! #langchat
  • senoritawood Jan 5 @ 8:31 PM EST
    A2 Meeting your Ss where they are is a factor. I've found this yr that I am able to do more with them the less I use the textbook #langchat
  • BThompsonEdu Jan 5 @ 8:32 PM EST
    A3: We all read, write and speak at different levels in the real world and we manage to communicate #langchat
  • ADiazMora Jan 5 @ 8:32 PM EST
    We are NOT at the same level #langchat
    • ADiazMora Jan 5 @ 8:31 PM EST
      A3 I show them this & we talk about what it means. We are all at the same level and THAT'S OK #langchat
  • tmsaue1 Jan 5 @ 8:32 PM EST
    I hope @actfl & others are listening!!!!!!Want to move the field forward? Stop the exclusivity around proficiency understanding. #langchat
    • SraWilliams3 Jan 5 @ 8:29 PM EST
      A2 I think bc many of us aren't trained in proficiency to assess using OPI. Need more practice to ID indicators #langchat
  • SraStilson Jan 5 @ 8:32 PM EST
    A3 Have set expectations for each sem, but if S hits "A" level, their expectations increase a bit. Have to keep imprvng to keep A! #langchat
  • profepj3 Jan 5 @ 8:32 PM EST
    Two snaps #langchat
  • ProfeCochran Jan 5 @ 8:32 PM EST
    Oooo...now THAT is the question! Touché, my friend. OPI only took me part of the way! I'd say *both* #langchat
    • languagehead Jan 5 @ 8:31 PM EST
      s OPI /MOPI training the best route? (done it twice) Or training it APPLYING proficiency to teaching and learning? #langchat
  • LesliePhillips3 Jan 5 @ 8:32 PM EST
    A3 I try to differentiate by offering choice and encouraging more advanced students to read more but it's hard #langchat
  • MmeCarbonneau Jan 5 @ 8:32 PM EST
    #langchat I'm always trying to target the next level!
    In reply to @MmeBlouwolff
  • GrowingFrench Jan 5 @ 8:32 PM EST
    A3 I have flexibility with placement, but I also Grade on individual proficiency goals #langchat
  • PRHSspanish Jan 5 @ 8:32 PM EST
    #langchat A3 I talk about it like a team record (grades) vs player stats (prof) - both could possible be all over the place on 1 team.
  • SoyBolingual Jan 5 @ 8:32 PM EST
    Me too! I can also move on quicker bc I'm looking at Ss' faces instead of textbook pages. #langchat
    In reply to @senoritawood
  • languagehead Jan 5 @ 8:33 PM EST
    How to offer choice in true proficiency assessments? #langchat
    In reply to @MlleSulewski
  • PRHSspanish Jan 5 @ 8:33 PM EST
    #langchat A3 I talk about it like a team record (grades) vs player stats (prof) - both could possibly be all over the place on 1 team.
  • SraWilliams3 Jan 5 @ 8:33 PM EST
    #langchat Training should be standard for FL teaching candidates.
    In reply to @tmsaue1, @actfl
  • MCanion Jan 5 @ 8:33 PM EST
    A3 Fast processors are twice as fast as slowest. Can this be altered? @PRHSspanish #langchat
    In reply to @PRHSspanish
  • MlleSulewski Jan 5 @ 8:33 PM EST
    I struggle w/ this Q a lot. If we assign prof lev 2 every year of lang, what happens when S "pass" but aren't at that target yet?#langchat
  • MbiraAbby Jan 5 @ 8:33 PM EST
    A3 #langchat activities and goals that provide space for sts to show what they know at any performance level #confidenceboost #plus1
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 5 @ 8:33 PM EST
    A3 said it before, I'll say it again #andagainandagainandagain AAPPL rubrics https://t.co/zAKzPlXmhi #langchat
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 5 @ 8:33 PM EST
    A3 said it before, I'll say it again #andagainandagainandagain AAPPL rubrics https://t.co/dmAHnuLGSj #langchat
  • tmsaue1 Jan 5 @ 8:33 PM EST
    it's a good start, but just the beginning. @ACTFL could benefit to update the traning to reach larger audience. #langchat
    In reply to @languagehead, @actfl
  • MlleSulewski Jan 5 @ 8:33 PM EST
    Can't in true proficiency assessment, but you can in a performance assessment. #langchat
    In reply to @languagehead
  • SrMcMaine Jan 5 @ 8:33 PM EST
    A3 Differentiated readings (Interpretive reading), variation in ?ing (identify for N, describe for I, always pushing for describe) #langchat
  • BThompsonEdu Jan 5 @ 8:34 PM EST
    I kinda see this like a coach/judge analogy. Teacher=coach whoever decides proficiency=judge We don't necessarily need to be both #langchat
    • languagehead Jan 5 @ 8:31 PM EST
      s OPI /MOPI training the best route? (done it twice) Or training it APPLYING proficiency to teaching and learning? #langchat
  • kballestrini Jan 5 @ 8:34 PM EST
    A3: easy; one type assessment does not fit all — instead provide multiple avenues to demonstrate comprehension at various levels #langchat
  • ProfeCochran Jan 5 @ 8:34 PM EST
    Perhaps open-ended assessments? #langchat
    In reply to @languagehead, @MlleSulewski
  • MrM0REHEAD Jan 5 @ 8:34 PM EST
    A3: In some ways it's like linguistic triage. Can't save them all but have to try. #langchat
  • MmeBlouwolff Jan 5 @ 8:34 PM EST
    A3 Ideally, tasks that everyone can hang onto for the ride. Some will finish with bells & whistles, some will get the big idea. #langchat
  • doriecp Jan 5 @ 8:34 PM EST
    Universities and teacher training programs also have to do a better job equipping teachers with this knowledge. #langchat
    • tmsaue1 Jan 5 @ 8:32 PM EST
      I hope @actfl & others are listening!!!!!!Want to move the field forward? Stop the exclusivity around proficiency understanding. #langchat
      • SraWilliams3 Jan 5 @ 8:29 PM EST
        A2 I think bc many of us aren't trained in proficiency to assess using OPI. Need more practice to ID indicators #langchat
  • ProfRoche Jan 5 @ 8:35 PM EST
    Do you know of research that has minutes and proficiency levels for FLES? #langchat
    In reply to @doriecp
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 5 @ 8:35 PM EST
    seriously, how is this not a thing? Our profession stays 30 years behind in so many areas #langchat
    In reply to @SraWilliams3, @tmsaue1, @actfl
  • SraStilson Jan 5 @ 8:35 PM EST
    How do you manage it AND have a life outside of school? Choice is exhausting... #langchat
    In reply to @MlleSulewski, @languagehead
  • MlleSulewski Jan 5 @ 8:35 PM EST
    Like this https://t.co/66KyZOdaWE #langchat
    In reply to @dressurleben
  • tjeag Jan 5 @ 8:35 PM EST
    A3 #langchat I don't worry ab. it. I do try 2 hv rubrics for Ss who reach. MORE IMPORTANT than grades is INTERACTION in the lang. betw Ss.
  • profepj3 Jan 5 @ 8:35 PM EST
    A3 My data board has helped a ton in showing how individual students have grown and how classes have grown across the modes. #langchat
  • ProfeCochran Jan 5 @ 8:35 PM EST
    RT! RT! :) #langchat
    • doriecp Jan 5 @ 8:34 PM EST
      Universities and teacher training programs also have to do a better job equipping teachers with this knowledge. #langchat
      • tmsaue1 Jan 5 @ 8:32 PM EST
        I hope @actfl & others are listening!!!!!!Want to move the field forward? Stop the exclusivity around proficiency understanding. #langchat
        • SraWilliams3 Jan 5 @ 8:29 PM EST
          A2 I think bc many of us aren't trained in proficiency to assess using OPI. Need more practice to ID indicators #langchat
  • SraWilliams3 Jan 5 @ 8:35 PM EST
    #langchat Agreed. If it's considered best practice shouldn't it be the standard?
    In reply to @SraSpanglish, @tmsaue1, @actfl
  • ADiazMora Jan 5 @ 8:36 PM EST
    I have the proficiency markers on my wall thanks to @natadel76 ... I can point and talk about what each level looks like #langchat
    In reply to @natadel76
  • VTracy7 Jan 5 @ 8:36 PM EST
    A3: Yikes! As in why do some students make more gains than others? Large range of factors beyond our control. #langchat
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 5 @ 8:36 PM EST
    actually watching them is actually reminding me to slow down! #connect #oneword2017 #langchat
    In reply to @SoyBolingual, @senoritawood
  • MlleSulewski Jan 5 @ 8:36 PM EST
    It's not so bad. Assessment is at same time for everyone, but can choose from three options. I <3 the internet #langchat
    In reply to @SraStilson
  • PRHSspanish Jan 5 @ 8:36 PM EST
    This is my next step! Just bought the supplies! #langchat A3
    • profepj3 Jan 5 @ 8:35 PM EST
      A3 My data board has helped a ton in showing how individual students have grown and how classes have grown across the modes. #langchat
  • ProfRoche Jan 5 @ 8:36 PM EST
    Q3 Scaffold activities within a class. #langchat
  • MrM0REHEAD Jan 5 @ 8:36 PM EST
    A3: Realistic expectations. Teach to the middle but reach for the sky. #langchat
  • tmsaue1 Jan 5 @ 8:36 PM EST
    I wonder how many more assessments @LTILanguageTest & @ACTFL would sell if they made the training available for everyone. #langchat
    In reply to @LTILanguageTest, @actfl
  • LesliePhillips3 Jan 5 @ 8:37 PM EST
    How do you do this? more info please! #langchat
    In reply to @PRHSspanish
  • lushluxe Jan 5 @ 8:37 PM EST
    A3 discovering strongest learning style and helping Ss find their way to shine (helpful in ALL subjects) #langchat
  • MlleSulewski Jan 5 @ 8:37 PM EST
    Q3 Q3 Q3 #langchat
    • PRHSspanish Jan 5 @ 8:30 PM EST
      OK, so having said that, how do you address proficiency variation within a single course? Q3! #langchat
  • senoritawood Jan 5 @ 8:37 PM EST
    A3 Tasks and assessments that are tiered to meet students where they are, mixed groups to encourage interaction among diff levels #langchat
  • SrtaJustiniano Jan 5 @ 8:38 PM EST
    Could you address different proficiency levels by grouping (i.e. grouping kids based on skills they need to work on)? #langchat
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 5 @ 8:38 PM EST
    you say "easy"... #langchat #soundslikeextrawork
    In reply to @kballestrini
  • SoyBolingual Jan 5 @ 8:38 PM EST
    Here are Ohio's suggestions for FLES alphabetic languages @OHEducation How do they compare to your experience? #langchat
    In reply to @ProfRoche, @doriecp, @OHEducation
  • SraStilson Jan 5 @ 8:38 PM EST
    That still sounds like a lot of work... #goals #langchat
    In reply to @MlleSulewski
  • languagehead Jan 5 @ 8:38 PM EST
    And for interpersonal mode? or presentational? same or diff? #langchat
    In reply to @kballestrini
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 5 @ 8:38 PM EST
    Love this! #langchat
  • ProfeCochran Jan 5 @ 8:39 PM EST
    A3) #langchat
    • ProfeCochran Jan 1 @ 3:19 PM EST
      My favorite reflections from Ss who truly engaged in portfolio process so far: "I like that we all set our own goals/go at our own pace."
  • MCanion Jan 5 @ 8:39 PM EST
    A3 Can differentiation change the speed of processing and lang ability? If not, what are ramifications? @PRHSspanish #langchat
    In reply to @PRHSspanish
  • senoritawood Jan 5 @ 8:39 PM EST
    Ah, the face of confusion...I know it well! But how sweet is the face of one who understands?! #langchat
    In reply to @SraSpanglish, @SoyBolingual
  • BThompsonEdu Jan 5 @ 8:39 PM EST
    A3: I think in lang differentiation might be even easier. We change the way we talk to children for example. Adopt this in class #langchat
  • SoyBolingual Jan 5 @ 8:39 PM EST
    That is true too! As long as Ss are the source #langchat
    In reply to @SraSpanglish, @senoritawood
  • SraWilliams3 Jan 5 @ 8:39 PM EST
    A3: tons of CI, constant checking for understanding, differentiation, student choice #langchat
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 5 @ 8:39 PM EST
    it's gotta be a range: what's the minimum need to function, what's expected, and what's excelling? #langchat
    In reply to @MlleSulewski
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 5 @ 8:39 PM EST
    CAN. WE. PLEASE. #langchat
    • tmsaue1 Jan 5 @ 8:32 PM EST
      I hope @actfl & others are listening!!!!!!Want to move the field forward? Stop the exclusivity around proficiency understanding. #langchat
      • SraWilliams3 Jan 5 @ 8:29 PM EST
        A2 I think bc many of us aren't trained in proficiency to assess using OPI. Need more practice to ID indicators #langchat
  • MlleSulewski Jan 5 @ 8:40 PM EST
    Hence why I'd love to ditch letter grades but I think that's light years in the future #langchat
    In reply to @SraSpanglish
  • tmsaue1 Jan 5 @ 8:40 PM EST
    this isn't the most convincing argument for an expensive program model like FLES. #langchat
    In reply to @SoyBolingual, @ProfRoche, @doriecp
  • PRHSspanish Jan 5 @ 8:40 PM EST
    #langchat Q4 How do you assess if ss are meeting the performance benchmarks for a *course*?
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 5 @ 8:40 PM EST
    I keep a spreadsheet. I like seeing the averages go up :) #langchat
    In reply to @profepj3
  • MlleSulewski Jan 5 @ 8:40 PM EST
    YES. It's not a super-secret clubhouse reserved for special snowflakes. #langchat
    In reply to @SraSpanglish
  • klasekastellano Jan 5 @ 8:40 PM EST
    In the IB language programs they recommend not having more than 2 phases or proficiencies levels grouped in 1 class #langchat
  • MlleSulewski Jan 5 @ 8:41 PM EST
    A4 I use a common course rubric. "Excelling" shifts depending on the year (or even the semester). #langchat
  • profepj3 Jan 5 @ 8:41 PM EST
    Ahem. I am a super special snowflake. Hahahaha. #langchat
    In reply to @MlleSulewski, @SraSpanglish
  • ADiazMora Jan 5 @ 8:41 PM EST
    A4 I need help with this! #langchat
  • ProfeCochran Jan 5 @ 8:41 PM EST
    A4) I stick with performance indicators, personally focusing on function and text type #langchat
  • MmeBlouwolff Jan 5 @ 8:41 PM EST
    This is like Greg Duncan's advice to pair A students with B students but never A students with C students. #langchat
    In reply to @klasekastellano
  • dressurleben Jan 5 @ 8:41 PM EST
    I don't even want the 1-4 scale. I'd love to mark kids NH, IL, etc and send a skills certificate home #langchat
    In reply to @MlleSulewski, @SraSpanglish
  • jadelman75 Jan 5 @ 8:42 PM EST
    A4: I am hearing a lot about timed writings lately. Useful? Valid assessment tools? #langchat
  • tjeag Jan 5 @ 8:42 PM EST
    A4 #langchat Tasks designed with target in mind. Ss must be able to explain what prof. looks like at the target level, below and above it.
  • ProfRoche Jan 5 @ 8:42 PM EST
    Thank you for sharing! We don't have them adopted yet. #langchat
    In reply to @SoyBolingual, @doriecp, @OHEducation
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 5 @ 8:42 PM EST
    I really think letter grades can help us put growth increments in terms parents, students, admins can grasp #langchat
    In reply to @MlleSulewski
  • MCanion Jan 5 @ 8:42 PM EST
    A4 open-ended opi type of speaking assessment and written prompt. Several topics within same prompt @PRHSspanish #langchat
    In reply to @PRHSspanish
  • ProfeCochran Jan 5 @ 8:42 PM EST
    A4) But also let me (be brave and) say, who cares about the flippin' grade/score?! What can I do to get them excited abt LEARNING? #langchat
  • profepj3 Jan 5 @ 8:42 PM EST
    Same. This is my rubric, and my dept has a mashup of grades to match the ratings. #langchat
    • ProfeCochran Jan 5 @ 8:41 PM EST
      A4) I stick with performance indicators, personally focusing on function and text type #langchat
  • SrtaNRodriguez Jan 5 @ 8:42 PM EST
    Anyone using indicators that aren't tied to grades? Measure proficiency but not rewarding or penalizing kids, feedback is key #langchat
  • MbiraAbby Jan 5 @ 8:43 PM EST
    #langchat is giving them an earful tonight jajajaja *plop*
  • dressurleben Jan 5 @ 8:43 PM EST
    A4: I assess 1x/6weeks for each mode. I expect perf at target PL while communicating on that topic. #langchat
  • MlleSulewski Jan 5 @ 8:43 PM EST
    It's obsessive in my district. Anything less than an A is unacceptable. Lower than a B? Admin involved. #langchat
    In reply to @SraSpanglish
  • ADiazMora Jan 5 @ 8:43 PM EST
    I am not a fan only bc why put a time limit on their creative juices... I do time things but mostly for management #langchat
    In reply to @jadelman75
  • MmeBlouwolff Jan 5 @ 8:43 PM EST
    I've been finding 10-minute "fluency counts" à la @lterrillindy useful with my Ss. Ss reflect on progress. I do 0. #langchat
    In reply to @jadelman75, @lterrillindy
  • VTracy7 Jan 5 @ 8:43 PM EST
    YESSSSS!!!!!!! #langchat
    • ProfeCochran Jan 5 @ 8:42 PM EST
      A4) But also let me (be brave and) say, who cares about the flippin' grade/score?! What can I do to get them excited abt LEARNING? #langchat
  • doriecp Jan 5 @ 8:43 PM EST
    A4 we are lucky that our district can afford AAPPL testing and MOPI training for teachers. #langchat
  • MlleSulewski Jan 5 @ 8:43 PM EST
    Nope, actually more fair probably. Not expecting too much from a student who can't manage it yet #langchat
    In reply to @srafischer
  • BThompsonEdu Jan 5 @ 8:43 PM EST
    Absolutely!! #langchat
    • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 5 @ 8:42 PM EST
      I really think letter grades can help us put growth increments in terms parents, students, admins can grasp #langchat
      In reply to @MlleSulewski
  • GrowingFrench Jan 5 @ 8:43 PM EST
    IPAs, OPI style assesments, STAMP test at end of MS, would like STAMP used also in higher level class- but every year is too much #langchat
  • senoritawood Jan 5 @ 8:43 PM EST
    I use them frequently, often after scaffolding by having class discussion/framing a story beforehand #langchat
    In reply to @jadelman75
  • MCanion Jan 5 @ 8:44 PM EST
    A4 Are we grading ss for fast processing more than anything in prof grading? Is that good or bad? @PRHSspanish #langchat
    In reply to @PRHSspanish
  • profepj3 Jan 5 @ 8:44 PM EST
    That's essentially what I do for my presentational writing assessments b/c there's only so much they can write #langchat
    In reply to @jadelman75
  • SraWilliams3 Jan 5 @ 8:44 PM EST
    But i think we could assign an expectation range and it would work #langchat
    In reply to @MlleSulewski
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 5 @ 8:44 PM EST
    seriously. We're finally breaking away from WL class weeding out "undesirables"--shouldn't Ts get same support? #langchat
    In reply to @MlleSulewski
  • dressurleben Jan 5 @ 8:44 PM EST
    That would make a great final exam. Closest thing I have in school setting to true test of prof. #langchat
    In reply to @MCanion, @PRHSspanish
  • languagehead Jan 5 @ 8:44 PM EST
    Back to the earlier discussion: performance or proficiency targets? My answer will be very different. #langchat
    In reply to @PRHSspanish
  • srafischer Jan 5 @ 8:44 PM EST
    #langchat megan fischer SD Spanish teacher joining uber late!! First week back and a cranky baby are killing the PD 😜
  • tmsaue1 Jan 5 @ 8:44 PM EST
    are there minutes & levels for other skills? martial arts? instrument? We've used minute argument for too long #langchat
    In reply to @ProfRoche, @doriecp
  • MlleSulewski Jan 5 @ 8:44 PM EST
    "You're ruining his/her chances at a scholarship" is something I hear EVERY. QUARTER. EVERY. YEAR. #langchat
    In reply to @ProfeCochran, @SraSpanglish
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 5 @ 8:45 PM EST
    I dunno, my kids talk in terms of their AAPPL levels instead, but grades bridge gap #langchat
    In reply to @ProfeCochran, @MlleSulewski, @pertslab
  • SrtaNRodriguez Jan 5 @ 8:45 PM EST
    crank up that scantron machine, if speed is the case! #sayitaintso #langchat
    In reply to @MCanion, @PRHSspanish
  • MmeBlouwolff Jan 5 @ 8:45 PM EST
    A4 Presentational writing task (announced, on-demand) at end of each big unit (there are 4/year). #langchat
  • MrM0REHEAD Jan 5 @ 8:45 PM EST
    A4: AAPPL test. Can't afford to test all 200+ Sts but try to find a sample group that represents L, M & H flyers + demographics. #langchat
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 5 @ 8:45 PM EST
    they like to see how far they've come, though #whodoesnt #langchat
    In reply to @jadelman75, @MlleSulewski
  • MCanion Jan 5 @ 8:45 PM EST
    A4 Growth is one way to do this. Might have to retest with same prompt or topic to show growth. @SrtaNRodriguez #langchat
    In reply to @SrtaNRodriguez
  • SoyBolingual Jan 5 @ 8:45 PM EST
    How do you choose which Ss? #langchat
    In reply to @MrM0REHEAD
  • MbiraAbby Jan 5 @ 8:46 PM EST
    A4 #langchat no problem with rubric. They get same points in gb, but feedback reflects the higher level to keep them growing. Need a diff gb
  • SrtaNRodriguez Jan 5 @ 8:46 PM EST
    Thru conferencing? Writers workshop? Audio feedback? What helps make that shift? #langchat
    In reply to @ProfeCochran, @VTracy7
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 5 @ 8:47 PM EST
    I find they don't even have conceptions sometimes. Hoe do we fix that? #langchat
    • SraWilliams3 Jan 5 @ 8:42 PM EST
      I find that Ts that cling to legacy methods also tend to have misconceptions about proficiency & what's reasonable
      In reply to @SraSpanglish
  • SoyBolingual Jan 5 @ 8:47 PM EST
    I changed my grading to holistic rubrics based on this, and it really helped! #langchat
    In reply to @SraSpanglish, @MlleSulewski
  • doriecp Jan 5 @ 8:47 PM EST
    There is a lot of research correlating min of practice with instrumental skills, but they don't have similar proficiency levels. #langchat
    In reply to @tmsaue1, @ProfRoche
  • profepj3 Jan 5 @ 8:47 PM EST
    And the lo, the heavens parted and the angels sang. #langchat
    In reply to @doriecp
  • PRHSspanish Jan 5 @ 8:47 PM EST
    Movin' right along! Q5 coming up! #langchat
  • SrtaNRodriguez Jan 5 @ 8:47 PM EST
    True, same prompt can be given to many Ss, expectations will be diff based on their journey in lang learnEx: "Who am I?" #langchat
    In reply to @MCanion
  • ProfeCochran Jan 5 @ 8:48 PM EST
    As for me, I have oral "evals" each quarter, and portfolios where students set goals/track growth #langchat
    In reply to @SrtaNRodriguez, @VTracy7
  • speakingweek Jan 5 @ 8:48 PM EST
    Added a parody of TED Talks to Model Speeches page. Enjoy! https://t.co/z5GTJ59Q85 #langchat #speakers #speaking
  • BThompsonEdu Jan 5 @ 8:48 PM EST
    Excellent example. Imagine how that answer looks in level 1, 2, ap #langchat
    • SrtaNRodriguez Jan 5 @ 8:47 PM EST
      True, same prompt can be given to many Ss, expectations will be diff based on their journey in lang learnEx: "Who am I?" #langchat
      In reply to @MCanion
  • SrtaNRodriguez Jan 5 @ 8:48 PM EST
    Have you ever tried students getting feedback with a note that says "try again" #langchat
    In reply to @ProfeCochran, @VTracy7
  • SrtaJustiniano Jan 5 @ 8:49 PM EST
    Could you do that by offering different presentation options depending on student interests? #langchat
    In reply to @MlleSulewski
  • ProfeCochran Jan 5 @ 8:49 PM EST
    Yes! or "Not yet" #langchat
    In reply to @SrtaNRodriguez, @VTracy7
  • SrMcMaine Jan 5 @ 8:49 PM EST
    A4 I like that you say "performance" in this question. #langchat
  • SrtaNRodriguez Jan 5 @ 8:49 PM EST
    I feel like once they see a grade, the drive to want to improve stops #langchat
    In reply to @ProfeCochran, @VTracy7
  • ProfRoche Jan 5 @ 8:49 PM EST
    I agree. That's why we're looking at a different approach based on continued student growth.#langchat
    In reply to @tmsaue1, @doriecp
  • MlleSulewski Jan 5 @ 8:49 PM EST
    Of course! #langchat
    In reply to @SrtaJustiniano
  • MbiraAbby Jan 5 @ 8:49 PM EST
    #langchat YES leading up to "the test" sts are given feedback, but no points. Otherwise, it'd be the test, right? @tmsaue1
    In reply to @SrtaNRodriguez, @tmsaue1
  • MCanion Jan 5 @ 8:49 PM EST
    Higher prof means greater depth and control. Revisit all those level 1 prompts #langchat
    In reply to @SrtaNRodriguez
  • ProfeCochran Jan 5 @ 8:49 PM EST
    Ooo- I really like this setup for feedback! #langchat
    • PRHSspanish Jan 5 @ 8:48 PM EST
      Yes! And recently when they've done stations, I've built a station in that's checking in w/ me.
      In reply to @ProfeCochran, @SrtaNRodriguez, @VTracy7
  • SoyBolingual Jan 5 @ 8:50 PM EST
    Good point @tmsaue1 ! #langchat
    In reply to @tmsaue1
    • tmsaue1 Jan 5 @ 8:44 PM EST
      are there minutes & levels for other skills? martial arts? instrument? We've used minute argument for too long #langchat
      In reply to @ProfRoche, @doriecp
  • SrtaNRodriguez Jan 5 @ 8:50 PM EST
    this is why portfolios are so great, you can truly see the diff btwn year one and year four #langchat
    In reply to @MCanion
  • PRHSspanish Jan 5 @ 8:51 PM EST
    Q5 #langchat In taking ss through Intermediate (tough!), what challenges to you face and how do you tackle them?
  • MlleSulewski Jan 5 @ 8:51 PM EST
    @SrtaJustiniano That's the crux of it! Maybe one student wants to create a PSA, but the other wants to do a rap. Fine by me. #langchat
    In reply to @SrtaJustiniano
  • SraWilliams3 Jan 5 @ 8:51 PM EST
    #langchat yes, so true.
    In reply to @SraSpanglish
  • MbiraAbby Jan 5 @ 8:51 PM EST
    #langchat where & how do you keep them? my school is still analog #dreamingoftech #1moreyear
    In reply to @SrtaNRodriguez, @MCanion
  • ProfeCochran Jan 5 @ 8:52 PM EST
    A5)Intermed. is where I really start to see gap between proficiency and performance. #langchat
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 5 @ 8:52 PM EST
    yep! I even arranged my room to accommodate aftet hearing this from @senoraCMT & @spanish_rhode! #langchat #seemywheeliechairs
    In reply to @ProfeCochran, @senoraCMT
  • MmeBlouwolff Jan 5 @ 8:52 PM EST
    A5 Like Moses & the promised land, I'll never see Intermediate. I can dream, though! #langchat #forever13 #msrocks
  • VTracy7 Jan 5 @ 8:52 PM EST
    A5: Whhaaaaa!!! We wallow in Novice forever in the lower levels! #langchat
  • MlleSulewski Jan 5 @ 8:52 PM EST
    A5 Intermediate is a long, hard slog! Some hunker down at IL for a long time; much of my 4/5 levels range in prof from IL-IH #langchat
  • MaCristinaRV Jan 5 @ 8:52 PM EST
    Oh, YES!! #langchat
    • ProfeCochran Jan 5 @ 8:42 PM EST
      A4) But also let me (be brave and) say, who cares about the flippin' grade/score?! What can I do to get them excited abt LEARNING? #langchat
  • profepj3 Jan 5 @ 8:52 PM EST
    A5 My Ss talk about transition words like it's their job. So I give them samples of how to join sentences and loads of practice. #langchat
  • BThompsonEdu Jan 5 @ 8:52 PM EST
    Perfect. With a clear set of expectations of what needs to be demonstrated! #langchat
    • MlleSulewski Jan 5 @ 8:51 PM EST
      @SrtaJustiniano That's the crux of it! Maybe one student wants to create a PSA, but the other wants to do a rap. Fine by me. #langchat
      In reply to @SrtaJustiniano
  • MCanion Jan 5 @ 8:52 PM EST
    Files like a doctor's office @MbiraAbby @SrtaNRodriguez #langchat
    In reply to @MbiraAbby, @SrtaNRodriguez
  • languagehead Jan 5 @ 8:52 PM EST
    A5 Engaging content, esp film and other auth mats to have real reasons to keep on communicating. #langchat
  • tjeag Jan 5 @ 8:52 PM EST
    A5 #langchat. Ss can regress sometimes. Sometimes, MY "engaging" authres is NOT engaging to kids. #fail.
  • dressurleben Jan 5 @ 8:52 PM EST
    Telling a story in the past and staying in the past. Ss revert to pres b/c they are more comfortable there. #langchat
  • kballestrini Jan 5 @ 8:53 PM EST
    A5: helping them realize that growth through intermediate is slow, and to not lose sight of the small victories #langchat
  • MlleSulewski Jan 5 @ 8:53 PM EST
    Q5 Q5 Q5 Q5 #langchat
    • PRHSspanish Jan 5 @ 8:51 PM EST
      Q5 #langchat In taking ss through Intermediate (tough!), what challenges to you face and how do you tackle them?
  • GrowingFrench Jan 5 @ 8:53 PM EST
    A5- its challenging for students as progess seems slower- on the other hand many students are happy to stay at immediate - #langchat
  • MrM0REHEAD Jan 5 @ 8:53 PM EST
    Reality check for parents/admin. Participation trophies ruin scholarship chances. Not rigor and truth in assessment. #langchat
    In reply to @MlleSulewski
  • languagehead Jan 5 @ 8:53 PM EST
    And you lay the groundwork for others who do - so keep the faith! #langchat
    In reply to @MmeBlouwolff
  • profepj3 Jan 5 @ 8:53 PM EST
    A5b They also asked me for idioms (!) so I have a new challenge for this quarter to help them not sound so "academic" in speaking #langchat
  • BThompsonEdu Jan 5 @ 8:53 PM EST
    And haven't had enough practice/input with past yet #langchat
    In reply to @dressurleben
  • SrtaNRodriguez Jan 5 @ 8:53 PM EST
    I'd love to use Google Drive to store Ss portfolios, always stay with the Ss, share with diff teacher the next yr #langchat
    In reply to @MbiraAbby
  • dressurleben Jan 5 @ 8:53 PM EST
    A5: Pushing for more than 1-2 sentence responses in interpersonal. #langchat
  • ProfeCochran Jan 5 @ 8:53 PM EST
    And by that I mean, when my Ss hit upper levels, I see lots of intermed. perform;little intermed. proficiency. Frustrating #langchat
    • ProfeCochran Jan 5 @ 8:52 PM EST
      A5)Intermed. is where I really start to see gap between proficiency and performance. #langchat
  • ProfRoche Jan 5 @ 8:53 PM EST
    thank you!! #langchat
    In reply to @SoyBolingual, @doriecp, @OHEducation
  • SraWilliams3 Jan 5 @ 8:54 PM EST
    A5: Ss having Ts that don't have same expectations for performance #langchat
  • BThompsonEdu Jan 5 @ 8:54 PM EST
    If your district allows a #googlesite is good for this #langchat
    In reply to @SrtaNRodriguez, @MbiraAbby
  • MCanion Jan 5 @ 8:54 PM EST
    A5 Biggest inter challenge: too many past tenses!! #langchat @PRHSspanish
    In reply to @PRHSspanish
  • MlleSulewski Jan 5 @ 8:54 PM EST
    Well, when education is a business and "the customer is always right", this is what we've become. #sad #langchat
    In reply to @MrM0REHEAD
  • tmsaue1 Jan 5 @ 8:54 PM EST
    A5: Intermediate is a wide field. #langchat
  • SoyBolingual Jan 5 @ 8:54 PM EST
    I use Google drive too, but want to look into @Seesaw that @SraSpanglish swears by #langchat
    In reply to @SrtaNRodriguez, @MbiraAbby, @Seesaw, @SraSpanglish
  • tmsaue1 Jan 5 @ 8:54 PM EST
    A5: Advanced assumes certain cognitive abilities that are dependent on age, so Intermediate might last longer than desired. #langchat
  • PRHSspanish Jan 5 @ 8:55 PM EST
    Whoa! 8:54pm! As we wrap it up, what are your takeaways from tonight's #langchat?
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 5 @ 8:55 PM EST
    it's weird but my ss just default to ppt or whatever I suggest instead of customizing when I let em #langchat
    In reply to @MlleSulewski, @SrtaJustiniano
  • PRHSspanish Jan 5 @ 8:55 PM EST
    TA TA TA #langchat
  • SrMcMaine Jan 5 @ 8:55 PM EST
    A5 Not losing some sts, leaving them in the dust (big problem of mine, actually) and not stagnating sts who are already IL or IM #langchat
  • dressurleben Jan 5 @ 8:55 PM EST
    Same! They have about 5 "go to" transition words in presentational. But forget all about them during interpersonal... #langchat
    In reply to @profepj3
  • MrM0REHEAD Jan 5 @ 8:55 PM EST
    A5: That's the beauty of teaching MS! Intermediate is the hoop dream. #langchat
  • MlleSulewski Jan 5 @ 8:56 PM EST
    TA: I learned I like traditional numbered levels. What if IL kid is in IH class? Can still be successful if I set it up right... #langchat
  • VTracy7 Jan 5 @ 8:56 PM EST
    A5: My Middles go to HS & Ts have diff POV & philosophies than me...My kiddos chicken out & don't continue with L2 #langchat #feelingguilty
  • SrtaJustiniano Jan 5 @ 8:56 PM EST
    Maybe give them idea suggestions for being more creative (i.e. a list)? #langchat
    In reply to @SraSpanglish, @MlleSulewski
  • MbiraAbby Jan 5 @ 8:56 PM EST
    A5 #langchat prev. job I had sts for 6-8th gr. More choices for performances based on interest #youngadults #moreindependence #ownit!
  • MlleSulewski Jan 5 @ 8:56 PM EST
    SAME. I've actually started outlawing PPT. Pick something, ANYTHING else. #langchat
    In reply to @SraSpanglish
  • ProfeCochran Jan 5 @ 8:56 PM EST
    TA: GREAT ideas for giving growth-minded feedback tonight! Thanks everyone! #langchat
  • doriecp Jan 5 @ 8:56 PM EST
    A5 as someone teaching in a district that gets frustrated with the dreaded Intermediate Plateau, thank you! #langchat
    • tmsaue1 Jan 5 @ 8:54 PM EST
      A5: Advanced assumes certain cognitive abilities that are dependent on age, so Intermediate might last longer than desired. #langchat
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 5 @ 8:56 PM EST
    dude. I really do. https://t.co/FsJRaT9vus #langchat
    In reply to @SoyBolingual, @SrtaNRodriguez, @MbiraAbby, @Seesaw
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 5 @ 8:56 PM EST
    dude. I really do. https://t.co/dCVcIXh4ti #langchat
    In reply to @SoyBolingual, @SrtaNRodriguez, @MbiraAbby, @Seesaw
  • SrtaJustiniano Jan 5 @ 8:57 PM EST
    My belief is that the basics have to be mastered first. They have to be able to conjugate verbs and start conversations. #langchat
  • profepj3 Jan 5 @ 8:57 PM EST
    My TA is to spread what I've learned about performance & proficiency w/my dept more #langchat
  • languagehead Jan 5 @ 8:57 PM EST
    Wrap up #langchat We really need to grapple with perf vs prof. Both are important, and key to good progs, but they are diff and should be.
  • MlleSulewski Jan 5 @ 8:57 PM EST
    Infinitives communicate, though, don't they? :) #langchat
    In reply to @SrtaJustiniano
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 5 @ 8:57 PM EST
    then they spend too much time dithering about what to make instead of, you know, LANGUAGING #langchat
    In reply to @MlleSulewski
  • lushluxe Jan 5 @ 8:57 PM EST
    A4 I am still shell shocked about being informed of an SBG mandate 2 days before start of semester (& formative 0%?!? Huh? I'm old #langchat
  • EarlyLang Jan 5 @ 8:57 PM EST
    Attending ACTFL in Nashville in November? Submit your #earlylang session proposal by Friday January 13: https://t.co/pPv5td2zkM #langchat
  • MlleSulewski Jan 5 @ 8:58 PM EST
    And therein lies my problem with projects in general. #langchat
    In reply to @SraSpanglish
  • MCanion Jan 5 @ 8:58 PM EST
    TA How do teachers improve prof level? Show these paths to ss for life long learning #langchat
  • SraWienhold Jan 5 @ 8:58 PM EST
    Sad I missed #langchat 😭 but both babies 👶🏻 👦🏼 are down. 😴
  • giveawayvorx Jan 5 @ 8:58 PM EST
    A4 I am still shell shocked about being informed of an SBG mandate 2 days before start of semester (& formative 0%?!? Huh? I'm old #langchat
  • SoyBolingual Jan 5 @ 8:58 PM EST
    TA: I'm going to try out @Seesaw portfolios to monitor growth #langchat
    In reply to @Seesaw
  • MbiraAbby Jan 5 @ 8:58 PM EST
    #langchat just you wait! Some will come back and thank you for inspiring them to "get back on the horse" after HS #youmatter
    In reply to @VTracy7
  • senoritawood Jan 5 @ 8:58 PM EST
    A5 I teach MS so we don't see intermediate, but there is a beauty in novice! I especially love seeing confidence build thru novice #langchat
  • SrtaJustiniano Jan 5 @ 8:59 PM EST
    If they have the basics down, I think many could be on their way to approaching Intermediate. Like the Common Core, not all will. #langchat
  • dressurleben Jan 5 @ 8:59 PM EST
    TA: SLOW down and re-eval which PL our levels are aligned to. #langchat
  • MmeBlouwolff Jan 5 @ 8:59 PM EST
    TA 1. Missed this group 2. Really want OPI training 3. Reminder to aim higher for interpretive #langchat
  • PRHSspanish Jan 5 @ 8:59 PM EST
    New topics for #langchat!
  • PRHSspanish Jan 5 @ 8:59 PM EST
    Will we see you again on Saturday? #langchat
  • SraSpanglish - Moderator Jan 5 @ 8:59 PM EST
    Oh wow, super #langchat! Awesome direction from some of our newest mods! @PRHSspanish @MlleSulewski !
    In reply to @PRHSspanish, @MlleSulewski
  • SrtaNRodriguez Jan 5 @ 8:59 PM EST
    if it's easier than Google and has unlimited space, it'll catch my eye too #langchat #technerd
    In reply to @SoyBolingual, @Seesaw
  • magisterb480 Jan 5 @ 8:59 PM EST
    TA: There are many things I still need to learn about proficiency levels. It is really confusing to me how to measure them. #langchat
  • SoyBolingual Jan 5 @ 8:59 PM EST
    Same time as #langchat but Tweetdeck columns to the rescue!
  • jadelman75 Jan 5 @ 8:59 PM EST
    Same here. I love the lower levels - lower stakes, always know they have more time and exposure down the road. #langchat
    In reply to @senoritawood