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Monday August 29, 2016 
 10:00 PM EDT
 
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My tweets for the next hour will be dedicated to  to chat about rethinking grading practices.
 
 
 
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The  team (, , , , , , ) is glad you’re here!
 
 
 
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One hour of great PD ahead! Grading practices is the topic of the chat tonight! Bring it PLN!  
 
 
 
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Remember to use  for our chat this evening. We’ll also be posting an archive later tonight.
 
 
 
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Sitting in on the chat tonight! 
 
 
 
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We’ll be using Q1, Q2...A1, A2...to track questions & responses. 
 
 
 
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Please introduce yourself, your role working w/students, and where you’re tweeting from tonight. 
 
 
 
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 Awesome! Thanks for joining  tonight!
 
 
 
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 Welcome Matt, glad you could join us this evening. 
 
 
 
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Hello  Matt, elem lead learner excited to join in!
 
 
 
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Hi All.  Dave Here.  Elem Principal in Deerfield.  
 
 
 
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Good evening  Tim, elementary principal. I am hanging out at home in beautiful Oswego!
 
 
 
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Middle school Principal from Sterling, IL 
 
 
 
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A1, Paul, math teacher, sitting on the couch in naperville writing in  our class self reflection folders 
 
 
 
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Hello ! Brianne, Special Education Teacher checking in. :)
 
 
 
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 thanks for joining us tonight, Dave! 
 
 
 
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Hello Everyone! I'm a T/C  Tweeting from Libertyville, IL where I have 1 eye on the  game & 1 eye on TweetDeck 
 
 
 
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 Tim, I too am an elementary principal at home in lovely Oswego! 
 
 
 
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I am excited to be learning with this group from my couch while my wife watches  
 
 
 
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 Great to see you here Tim! Thanks for adding to the learning! 
 
 
 
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Hello everyone! Justin Gonzalez, Third Grade Co-Teacher, Berwyn, 1:1 iPad Classroom, Creator of  
 
 
 
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Lindsy here! 3-5 principal  
 
 
 
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 great to see you!  awesome post today!  
 
 
 
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 Hey there Brianne! Great to see you! 
 
 
 
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Kirk here from Chicago Northshore. I teach 6-8th grade double accelerated math in a flipped classroom. 
 
 
 
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 awesome. We just got home from curriculum night at OE. I am a principal in Batavia. 
 
 
 
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  Welcome to ! Glad you could join us!
 
 
 
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 Thanks. I appreciate that! 
 
 
 
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  Hi Jill!  How are you doing?
 
 
 
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 Welcome! Glad you could join the learning! 
 
 
 
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Jenah here! 3rd grade teacher from Illinois. 
 
 
 
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Hey all! Jeff here, Middle School Principal and  blogger.  
 
 
 
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 My oldest just started at OH this year; curriculum night tomorrow! I'm a principal in Wheaton. 
 
 
 
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 I'll make sure to let her know 
 
 
 
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 Welcome! Thanks for joining  tonight!
 
 
 
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 great. I was in my Ed.D program with Derrick Edwards. What school are you at? 
 
 
 
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 Great to see you Jeff. Hope the year has started strong! 
 
 
 
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So great to see so many returning & new participants tonight! Time for some questions, !
 
 
 
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 I turned it off with a 1-0 lead....I trust in them!  
 
 
 
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Q1 What is the purpose of a grade? 
 
 
 
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Bob Abrams HS AP in , tweeting from New Lenox. Part of the  team
 
 
 
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 I hear you. Waiting for the playoffs. 
 
 
 
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 You too, Bob - great start to the year - hoping the same for you! 
 
 
 
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 Welcome Jenah. How's the start to your school year been? 
 
 
 
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 great to see you, Matthew! 
 
 
 
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 I am continuing to hold my breath 
 
 
 
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A1 A grade should be a method to represent the level of mastery or depth of understanding that a student has attained/achieved 
 
 
 
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A1: To demonstrate what Ss know and help guide instruction based on those needs. 
 
 
 
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A1) purpose is to communicate progress at this point and where to improve and where Ss are good 
 
 
 
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A1 Grading should be providing students feedback about their progress towards mastering the learning targets. 
 
 
 
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To show growth and mastery of a standard or skill 
 
 
 
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A1 The purpose of a grade is to communicate feedback to Ss about progress towards mastery of learning objective(s). 
 
 
 
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9-12 math and  in   what's good ?
 
 
 
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RT Q1- What is the purpose of a grade 
 
 
 
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A1 a measurement of student attainment at a predetermined point of predetermined skills 
 
 
 
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A1 A grade should NOT be a measure of how well a student can put a paper in a bin at a particular date and time. 
 
 
 
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A1: The purpose is to assess student's understanding of the standards at a moment of time with the option of improvement. 
 
 
 
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A1 to show growth and mastery of a standard and/or skill  
 
 
 
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A1: Traditionally, to show the level of mastery of a subject, but I think we can do better.  
 
 
 
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A2 an indication of content mastery and the pursuit of understanding 
 
 
 
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This is one of my favorite interview questions to ask!  https://t.co/4Ln0Xas82a
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RT Q1- What is the purpose of a grade 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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A1-Grades should be used to tell S about learning progression at a specific time....should not be put in stone 
 
 
 
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Important piece I missed in my 1st response: a predetermined set of skills!  Hard to hit an unknown target https://t.co/cYoCR7id4p
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A1 a measurement of student attainment at a predetermined point of predetermined skills 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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A1.2 I love how we all talk in "should's"  
 
 
 
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A1 an indication of content mastery and the pursuit of understanding 
 
 
 
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 I'll keep that in mind as I look to hire five teachers next year 
 
 
 
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A1: This is a question I ask a lot. So many grades seem so arbitrary. How can you help Ss see their growth and want to do better? 
 
 
 
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  That IS a great interview question! 
 
 
 
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Q2 How do you inform students and families about expectations related to grading? How has this evolved? 
 
 
 
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 Thanks for joining  tonight!
 
 
 
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 I love watching the thought process. Experienced Ts will say "what does it represent or what should it represent?" 
 
 
 
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 I think that is the main issue...grades often indicate that learning is over 
 
 
 
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Agreed. And can feel like a way to punish or say that one way is the best.    https://t.co/vIIjojVrjK
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 I think that is the main issue...grades often indicate that learning is over 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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A2-We still use the system of sending report cards or uploading online...Would love to see more fluid updating of progress for all 
 
 
 
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A2 especially interesting for the elem grades moving towards standards-based  usually through syllabi and systems like Skyward
 
 
 
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A2 As grading practices shift it's important to have deeper discussions w/Ps. What are the desired educational outcomes? 
 
 
 
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Great point, . I've seen that start to shift with standards-basd grading.  
 
 
 
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A2 GoogleClassroom now allows parents to follow their Ss progress. Explanations of grading shared in class are shared w/ parents 
 
 
 
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A1- A grade to me is a snapshot of what a student knows at a given time. A measurement of mastery in a standard, unit, or course. 
 
 
 
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RT Q2 How do you inform students and families about expectations related to grading? How has this evolved? 
 
 
 
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To me, the word "grade" refers to the culmination of learning.  Not the progress over time.  
 
 
 
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A2) sylbs, +every other day self reflections, do you know the standards u will be assessed on, what is your lvl, what is ur plan  
 
 
 
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A2  can be a start! Let Ps & Ss know expected learning outcomes for units & get kids excited about how THEY will demo learning 
 
 
 
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 Welcome Kerstin - glad you could be here tonight. What comes to mind 1st when discussing grades? 
 
 
 
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 awesome point!  That needs to be crystal clear to all 
 
 
 
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 All are welcome in ! Thanks for joining us!
 
 
 
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 that can be a very powerful tool for communication and sharing student work. 
 
 
 
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. big advocate of entering comments in skyward gradebooks for family access understanding 
 
 
 
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A1:they should reflect level of understanding of material presented   
 
 
 
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Sometimes are reporting procedures are delayed a week or two. Things have changed by then.   https://t.co/j3FpcZ02nu
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A2-We still use the system of sending report cards or uploading online...Would love to see more fluid updating of progress for all 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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 I can see that. Too often students look for the letter and then move on. No reflection, no revision. :( 
 
 
 
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A2: We have a standardized grading policy district wide at our middle schools. This has helped with transparency in grading.  
 
 
 
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A2: I let Ss know that I'm looking for certain skills & content knowledge & that there many ways to show understanding. 
 
 
 
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. yeah a summative focus exists especially at the secondary level. Lots of formative used to build the final score 
 
 
 
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Agree. One of the reasons we moved to SBG.   https://t.co/BYWyzrJhIB
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 I can see that. Too often students look for the letter and then move on. No reflection, no revision. :( 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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 We are discussing this very topic in our school. It just makes sense for PLTs to evaluate w/consistency 
 
 
 
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A2: Subject/letter grades to standards based report cards. Would like to see more student voice and choice. 
 
 
 
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 We use an online grade book, but I'm not sure how well parents understand the process or what the grades mean. 
 
 
 
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A2: we have a qtrly standards based report card with a letter grade?!? 
 
 
 
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A2 our report card at elementary level continues to evolve so we can report on student progress on CCSS.  still a work in progress.
 
 
 
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. that's where the personalized learning approaches come into play! Rubrics. 
 
 
 
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A2: We currently use Standards Based Grading and report levels of 1, 2, 3 and 4. 
 
 
 
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 Change takes time and it will take a while for Ps to understand the change. You are taking steps! 
 
 
 
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 I also consider the frequency of updates that are done by T 
 
 
 
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 In skyward there are so many various comment features unused. I use more consistently. More communication is good. 
 
 
 
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Q3 What role do students have in the assessment process? How do you or might you incorporate self-assessment & reflection? 
 
 
 
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  many teams haven't even done a shared reading of the old ISAT writing rubrics which are well organized 
 
 
 
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A2: I like common grading practices. The less kids have to think about diffs btwn teachers, the more they can focus on learning.  
 
 
 
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 & choices of showing mastery & giving Ss a lot of opportunity to reflect.   https://t.co/Rg8FpH1PVJ
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. that's where the personalized learning approaches come into play! Rubrics. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Grading!!! For the next 40 minutes join a Twitter chat on grading. Participate by following along or posting your ideas!  Join at 
 
 
 
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A2 Grade should be a routine visit to the doctor (check up, monitor current state, make adjust to improve) instead of an autopsy 
 
 
 
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A2 We have semester long grading periods now.  Moving towards conferencing with s and letting them correct and redo  
 
 
 
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My daughter just started K in Naperville 203...got an email today with a link to how they are doing SBG 
 
 
 
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A3: At the very least students should be progress monitoring. It's an easy place to start and kids push themselves to improve.  
 
 
 
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 We are supposed to update x number of grades per class each week. Admin do check, but few parents do. 
 
 
 
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A3-Not a large enough one!  This is an area that is hard at elem but often overlooked with thumbs up thumbs down 
 
 
 
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A3 virtually unlimited feedback/rewrites of homework prior to summative exams (HS math), and even then they can do corrections.  
 
 
 
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A3: Ss constantly self-assess themselves on their journey to mastery of standards. Ss choose when to take their assessments. 
 
 
 
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 What kind of format is used for that? 
 
 
 
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A2 =A3) every other day self reflection student feedback folders 
 
 
 
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A3 Just gave a leveled standard specific assessment. Ss NEED to reflect on the level they are at and how they can grow.  
 
 
 
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A3 they reflect with T and go back to make adjustments and improve (is what should happen) getting there work in progress 
 
 
 
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A3 Ss need to be part of the assessment process. They should know how they are progressing & what is needed to move forward 
 
 
 
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A3 Ss should be involved in the formative assessment process.  
 
 
 
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  And it's hard b/c teachers disagree and don't always understand grading either. 
 
 
 
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A3: Proponent of self-assessment as a component of actually completing the work. Leads to a more refined final product.  
 
 
 
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A3 Hattie's research tells us Ss should be heavily involved in feedback & evaluation of assessments. Self-evaluation is powerful! 
 
 
 
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A3: Ss have opportunity to grade themselves, reflect on their work & their learning. Peer & self reflections w chance to improve. 
 
 
 
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 We made a simple move for P/T conference to mid-quarter instead of end. At least there was time to make a change 
 
 
 
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A3 this is so critical. Students should know where they are going, how far they are in the journey, and if they are on track. 
 
 
 
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  has worked to do away with grading periods at MS.  Seems like an outstanding idea 
 
 
 
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RT Q3 What role do students have in the assessment process? How do you or might you incorporate self-assessment & reflection? 
 
 
 
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 Totally! Has helped standardize the conversation in our PLCs! 
 
 
 
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 with that analogy I'd challenge the patient to focus on the root causes for the symptoms presented upon exam 
 
 
 
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A3.2 students should be constantly monitoring their own learning using a variety of tools. Can be guided at elementary level. 
 
 
 
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Yes!  Agree!   https://t.co/g4DbBUnTFe
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A3.2 students should be constantly monitoring their own learning using a variety of tools. Can be guided at elementary level. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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  As long as a reasonable number of snapshots are made, the focus should be on quality over quantity 
 
 
 
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A3 The most valuable assessment is  self reflection. My sts asked to reflect more last year. Huge growth. 
 
 
 
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 Nice addition! We need to look at cause and not symptom. Can't keep taking aspirin if there is a nail in our skull. 
 
 
 
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A3 forgot the biggest piece! During advisory we do data Wednesdays to host student-led conferences over course progress!! 
 
 
 
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My friend  would have loved this convo. Tweet at her and get her to join in! (Positive peer pressure) 
 
 
 
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  What are strategies/tools you've seen work well at the elementary level? 
 
 
 
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 absolutely!  We often miss the chance for those great conversations now 
 
 
 
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A3: Self-assessment and reflection is an integral part of students taking ownership of their own learning. I will be using it  
 
 
 
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 Great way of looking at what grades should be. 
 
 
 
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A3: some grades r planning to keep digital portfolios using bloomzs 
 
 
 
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Q4 How many opportunities should students have to demonstrate mastery? What are the practical implications of this? 
 
 
 
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 we cannot have systems that function for kids if they are not the number one focus  
 
 
 
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 can you provide more details about how you will be using it? 
 
 
 
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A4: This Q is KEY - they should have multiple chances to demo in a variety of ways, but within some limits, like semester or qt  
 
 
 
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  Agreed. But I struggle w/ having a set #. I focus more on progress of meeting IEP goals than class grades 
 
 
 
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Love that my girl  is facilitating ! Go get 'em Kathy!!!
 
 
 
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  S reflection Qs after taking math test, bullseye chart self rating chart I can teach it to I need more time 
 
 
 
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. find a tech person to pull skyward data using MS Access for classroom data sets of D/F counts, behavior, attendance 
 
 
 
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A4 This is where old school voice kick in...Ss should have mult chances, but sometimes there has to be a deadline for measurement 
 
 
 
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A:4 as many as they need...student growth is what's  important   
 
 
 
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A4: As many times as practical. Trying to balance this now: Ss want to retake NOW, but there's another opportunity coming soon.  
 
 
 
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   Can you explain the bullseye chart. I am intrigued :) 
 
 
 
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A4-At the elem level, as many as needed.  Mastery of concepts does not work like that, the system needs to work for kids 
 
 
 
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A4 unlimited until the end of unit as my colleague  mentioned  
 
 
 
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A4) math builds, school policy may or may not let incomplete quarter/sem grades...timing can be strchd but needs to be reasonable  
 
 
 
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A4 I would love to say limitless. Although unreasonable for typical school calendar & structure   https://t.co/yUYgggNDAY
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A4: Ss must have opportunities to reassess as much as they want in addition to receiving full credit back. 
 
 
 
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RT Q4 How many opportunities should students have to demonstrate mastery? What are the practical implications of this? 
 
 
 
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.  Amazing how insightful our youngest children can be when we give them an opportunity to reflect & share! 
 
 
 
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 At MS and HS there are impending deadlines....some cannot be changed. 
 
 
 
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A4 many many times. We need to provide Ss multiple times and ways to demonstrate their learning. 
 
 
 
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 Agree w/ the personal approach, but we need 2 B discussing the academic calendar too. Should time be a limiting factor? 
 
 
 
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A4: Students should always have opp. to show mastery and this might look different for each student. 
 
 
 
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A4: Such a tough Q in current educational landscape. If it's important for a S to learn for success, then mastery overrides time. 
 
 
 
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 If we design curriculum to spiral, we should see those skills resurface again...
 
 
 
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 my main struggle is what we communicate with deadlines...are those for adults or kids learning?  
 
 
 
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A4 with HS math, I think two or three are reasonable per unit, but that's w reflective changes in study/focus habits 
 
 
 
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 great perspective right here!  
 
 
 
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 Yes to full credit! Don't understand why we'd give less, but I've seen that as a parent. 
 
 
 
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A4 ideally infinite but that pesky calendar gets in the way 
 
 
 
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I would agree - we are bound by a system that seems to work against us sometimes.   https://t.co/J9Cmph08HJ
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A4 I would love to say limitless. Although unreasonable for typical school calendar & structure   https://t.co/yUYgggNDAY
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A4 with formative assessments, I give a wide open time frame that extends within the unit length for unlimited (honest) rewrites 
 
 
 
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  In band I have beginners-allstate musicians together. I'll use rubrics & individual growth based goals set by students 
 
 
 
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 I see what you are saying; at some point, kids age out of MS. We need to ID supports for students not demo'ing mastery 
 
 
 
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  You phrased your question better than I did. What's convenient for Ts, or best for Ss. 
 
 
 
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A4:If the concept/skill is necessary to move forward, why do we limit opportunities. The calendar can be tough, but I make it work 
 
 
 
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 its interesting, b/c it can go both ways - what if they meet course req's early? Can they move on? 
 
 
 
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Yes! Skills should not exist in a vacuum!   https://t.co/oI5BW9B4pZ
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 If we design curriculum to spiral, we should see those skills resurface again...
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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A4: I'm trying to design quick assessments that are concise, fair, authentic. I want to increase frequency but not time. 
 
 
 
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 Yes! Agree... growth mindset is key. 
 
 
 
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Well said - agreed!   https://t.co/BMbZEA5dqe
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A4 with formative assessments, I give a wide open time frame that extends within the unit length for unlimited (honest) rewrites 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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 This is where communication with families is so important to support the learner in their journey to meet deadlines 
 
 
 
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  as long as the focus is on S, then who cares how it is phrased 
 
 
 
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 If compentency / mastery is demonstrated - yes. 
 
 
 
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A4:  If MASTERY is what we are trying to achieve, then until they have mastered it!  Not on Friday, because that's when we test. 
 
 
 
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but how often are they permitted  to in the trad system?   https://t.co/iv0tuQZI3q
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 If compentency / mastery is demonstrated - yes. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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  Who created the deadline? 
 
 
 
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 YES.. I love that you mentioned multiple ways - something that is often forgotten. 
 
 
 
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Q5 Should zeros be included in a summative course or subject area grade? What implications might including them (or not) have? 
 
 
 
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Always reflection and relearning BEFORE reassessment.   https://t.co/P754CwTzZP
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A4 with HS math, I think two or three are reasonable per unit, but that's w reflective changes in study/focus habits 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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  major shift in what we call school.... 
 
 
 
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A4 discussions about "as long as it takes for you to understand this" continue to happen in week 3!! And beyond! 
 
 
 
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 Seldom, if ever. A problem in my current way of thinking. 
 
 
 
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 Part of the change needs to move from content to skills/application. Then mastery (instead of memory) is an opportunity 
 
 
 
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 yeah we need to figure out what led to the misunderstanding or lack of mastery before jumping back in!! 
 
 
 
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  Sometimes it is state code... 
 
 
 
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And with student jobs and then babysitting siblings and taking too many AP classes at once, when in the day do u have time 
 
 
 
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A5: What does a zero mean? That they didn't learn it or they just didn't do the work?  
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A4: Also only summative assessments should be "graded." Formative work such as homework should never go in the gradebook asa grade 
 
 
 
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 A4: it depends on the goals. It would make sense that students show mastery at EOY, no matter how many. https://t.co/KT8eJcsTmu
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A5-Non-completion of essential work cannot happen...is the S failing or are we as a school failing the S 
 
 
 
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Was just about to say look back at Q1/A1. Does a 0 mean no learning or not in a given time frame?   https://t.co/W1tDqq08cW
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A5: What does a zero mean? That they didn't learn it or they just didn't do the work?  
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A5 absolutely not. Mathematically it doesn't make sense to weight 50% of a grade in "failing" category.   https://t.co/OyWn3qIgBe
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Q5 Should zeros be included in a summative course or subject area grade? What implications might including them (or not) have? 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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A5 Zeroes are the worst.   almost impossible mathematically for a student to recover from a zero.
 
 
 
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RT Q5 Should zeros be included in a summative course or subject area grade? What implications might including them (or not) have? 
 
 
 
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A5 When math becomes part of the grading process, fairness & professional judgement is diminished. Zeros are bad! 
 
 
 
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NO never, absolutely not!   https://t.co/NoGoGhZiyw
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Q5 Should zeros be included in a summative course or subject area grade? What implications might including them (or not) have? 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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 you know what they say about great minds? ;) 
 
 
 
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A5:  If we already know that grades don't reflect Student worth, but they think so, imagine what a zero implies, =(   
 
 
 
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. How would your answer differ if they didn't do the work or didn't learn it well? 
 
 
 
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A5 interesting timing w this. During PLC today we discussed new district policy to automatically change all <39.49%s to a 40% 
 
 
 
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A5: Zeros don't tell you anything about what a S knows it doesn't know. Focus on skills & mastery.  
 
 
 
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  awesome point my friends!  
 
 
 
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A5.2  And, homework should not be included in the "grade" either.  
 
 
 
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A5) if a student chooses not to do something, then i don't mind a 0, but if they try, then I can go equalized grading 
 
 
 
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 that's the struggle. Non completion and not learning well are two different things 
 
 
 
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So many edus responding that zeros should not be part of a grade. How do you convince others? 
 
 
 
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 In addition, often zeros indicate behavioral problems and not academic. 
 
 
 
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If a student chooses not to do something, then maybe there is a problem with the assignment??   https://t.co/xgcoIMSZQh
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A5) if a student chooses not to do something, then i don't mind a 0, but if they try, then I can go equalized grading 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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 my question is how do you define choice?  The inability to complete before leaving?  Home life? 
 
 
 
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A5: No. Tap into those multiple intelligences. Surely we can get them to show us one way or another. 
 
 
 
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A5: Our lowest possible grade on formatives and summatives is 50%. Eliminates the devastating effect of the Zero.  
 
 
 
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 I really think it comes down to understanding how devastating from a mathematical standpoint a zero can be. 
 
 
 
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 Not doing the work should be reported as a lack of evidence for mastery  
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 You have to the change that others see, that starts a movement.  I share info, and research! 
 
 
 
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.   yeah the parents should be called/brought in when it becomes a pattern 
 
 
 
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 I believe it is a basic math lesson   
 
 
 
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Or issues outside school, or organization issues, or time management or....   https://t.co/g02uHgVb8s
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 In addition, often zeros indicate behavioral problems and not academic. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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 It is such a core value to so many teachers. It may be best to start with pre service programs. 
 
 
 
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  if a student fails to swim on the first 9 attempts, but is successful on the 10th, what grade do they get? 
 
 
 
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 Make it a district policy. :) 
 
 
 
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A5) Intervention should come long before a child is awarded a summative zero. That 0 is a teacher failing.  https://t.co/SUixt8s2U5
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 THANK YOU! Was just looking for that! 
 
 
 
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So many conversations need to start with pre-service programs!  https://t.co/gYBn8ntqJW
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 It is such a core value to so many teachers. It may be best to start with pre service programs. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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 or maybe the assignment is great but food and shelter and family take priority over school https://t.co/GxBSAHxUjT
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If a student chooses not to do something, then maybe there is a problem with the assignment??   https://t.co/xgcoIMSZQh
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A5) if a student chooses not to do something, then i don't mind a 0, but if they try, then I can go equalized grading 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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 Illustrate the injustice w/ simple graphics. Guskey's research is full of helpful charts. 
 
 
 
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 not much consensus. Still doing it, but questions were raised. Skyward reads A B C D F 40, so it's like a G 
 
 
 
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   Great analogy! Don't we learn through failure? 
 
 
 
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  Other interventions are definitely needed when these types patterns are established. 
 
 
 
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 Even when you hash out the math behind it# logic and reasoning don't always win over beliefs. 
 
 
 
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If a majority of Ss routinely don't do work then that's a reflection of the teacher, not the students. 
 
 
 
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    Tying your shoes, same thing! 
 
 
 
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A5: For my class, a 0 means a S has not assessed and will be incomplete. I do not determine a "Grade" until end of term 
 
 
 
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Just got in. MPC hosts Rick Wormeli on Apr 18 on Standard Based Grades. Come listen to the Guru!  https://t.co/GhDVq8uMRo
 
 
 
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Just got in. MPC hosts Rick Wormeli on Apr 18 on Standard Based Grades. Come listen to the Guru!   https://t.co/GhDVq8uMRo
 
 
 
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Maybe. But we need to look at the variables we can control such as the assignments we give.   https://t.co/4kMvCTaq4o
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 or maybe the assignment is great but food and shelter and family take priority over school https://t.co/GxBSAHxUjT
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If a student chooses not to do something, then maybe there is a problem with the assignment??   https://t.co/xgcoIMSZQh
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A5) if a student chooses not to do something, then i don't mind a 0, but if they try, then I can go equalized grading 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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 Why can't you put an incomplete instead of zero? 
 
 
 
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Q6 Shifting gears, what are some effective, meaningful ways to evaluate exceptional learners in a standards-based system?  
 
 
 
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 I'd argue that it might have a larger sphere of influence beyond the classroom. 
 
 
 
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Why do Ts constantly defend 101 levels of proficiency? Can you precisely & accurately describe diff in learning b/t 91 & 92? 
 
 
 
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 Its on my 4pt rubric, so I enter it, I do not let the online grade book calculate so it doesn't matter anyways 
 
 
 
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I agree zero's don't state what a student knows but what do we do when they choose not to do the work?  
 
 
 
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 Agreed. I think many in this chat do assign quality work, yet still deal with reality of outside forces. 
 
 
 
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 True, but then the teacher should do something different that assigning work that most kids don't do. 
 
 
 
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  I think the bigger question should be why a student would have a 39.4% 
 
 
 
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  I always do this for a few weeks until the next summative exam/progress report/grading period 
 
 
 
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 I asked my freshman this last week, they agreed. There is no difference. 
 
 
 
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A7 I'd advocate for some sort of project-based learning after content standards are mastered 
 
 
 
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A6 I'd advocate for some sort of project-based learning after content standards are mastered 
 
 
 
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A5: Maybe we shift our scale? Grade everything on a 0-4 scale and the Zero isn't a "thing" anymore? 
 
 
 
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A6:As a Tr of all exceptional learners, I have found that giving Ss autonomy over their learning is essential.They choose the pace 
 
 
 
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 YES! Exactly what I said but executed way better :) 
 
 
 
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A6-I think the best thing would be setting criteria together along with more PBL 
 
 
 
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A6: Really real world opportunities... Blogs, letters to editors, websites... Same content advanced skills.   
 
 
 
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A6: Being clear on what the grade reps.  Esp with ELL and SPED.  May not be grade level but still may rep mastery of goals 
 
 
 
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 Feel free to use my words, they aren't really mine anyways.. :) 
 
 
 
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 Set up a classroom environment where all of the formative work (hmwk,quizzes,etc.) isn't in the gradebook.only tests. 
 
 
 
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A6: Authentic assessment opportunities. Demonstrate mastery by challenging them to contribute to the greater good. 
 
 
 
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A6 research shows those top tier learners are more capable of self-motivated learning 
 
 
 
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  Did they or can they pass the test? Maybe they don't always have to complete an assignment. 
 
 
 
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  I ultimately would love 2 choices... *Got it  *working on getting it ..or something close to that. 
 
 
 
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A5: if a student didn't do the work and earns no grade and a student does the work and earns a low grade, is it fair?  
 
 
 
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 I hold this conversation with AP students as well. They more often focus on the number than what they learned. 
 
 
 
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   if a child can demonstrate mastery of a topic why is homework needed?  
 
 
 
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. Our report cards are based on grade level standards + Ss w/IEPs get goal updates & EL Ss get a supplemental report. 
 
 
 
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^^that's the one stat that's true for online charter schools. Doesn't work w all learners 
 
 
 
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 Love the idea of instead of a research paper they develop an underdeveloped Wikipedia article w necessary sources 
 
 
 
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  Ye,  Kirk! Until we are willing to let go of "grades"/GPA as a society then there'll be gradients 
 
 
 
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TRUTH! Had a calc teacher who had optional HW unless your grade was less than 75%...I had a lot of HW   https://t.co/Q7RMOVHf7Y
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 now that my friend, is a fantastic approach!  
 
 
 
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 I love that idea as an educator and as a parent. Homework can really take away the joy and passion from learning. 
 
 
 
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 I've moved more towards in-class peer tutoring type of work rather than sending problems home 
 
 
 
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Another good conversation to follow tonight on Twitter  fits w  chat about great ed leadership  https://t.co/N87stw8uoa
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But how else will I get my kids to cry and throw tantrums each night? ;D   https://t.co/eQall3iQLA
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A7: The biggest pushback are when things like honor roll, preparing for high school/college, GPA are brought up. 
 
 
 
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A7 autonomy. Status quo policies not built by consensus. 
 
 
 
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 Well I am sure you could be creative. LOL 
 
 
 
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 Absolutely, and leads to overly stressed students trying to be well rounded Ss. 
 
 
 
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A7-the practices currently used have not evolved to my beliefs...learning is fluid and reporting learning should be too 
 
 
 
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A7 Creaking old school thinking about grading practices and being brave enough to move forward. 
 
 
 
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Deep rooted beliefs of many stakeholders and a system that still makes you conform to the letter grade.  https://t.co/0rS83pNeHT
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A7 the need to want to hold Kids accountable for work ethic, behavior, and amount of output   https://t.co/D10AkvGgjN
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Why not make everything A/Fail, eliminate reteaching prereq material in the next class 
 
 
 
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 how many podcasts do you have?  
 
 
 
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Homework shows mastery learned. Tests just reinforce it.    
 
 
 
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A7 Breaking old school thinking about grading practices and being brave enough to move forward. 
 
 
 
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 no doubt. Living it right now with a 9th grader at home. She is stressed to the max 
 
 
 
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How can we differentiate between true learning and compliance in our grading practice? Can we avoid the power struggle? 
 
 
 
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We need to get away from thinking that typical paper homework is the only way we can give kids practice over content. 
 
 
 
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     I experimented w A students having reduced sets/time for projects 
 
 
 
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A7: surprisingly, the lack of understanding of SBL by parents and teachers, since they didn;t grow up with it  
 
 
 
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A7: Educating parents and helping them understand the shift in practice. 
 
 
 
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A7:  The grading policy put into place by the district, was suppose to be changed this year, but wasn't.  
 
 
 
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A7 What if grading wasn't an option? 
 
 
 
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A7: That I am 1 of 2 Ts that are willing to make the change against the grain. Teaching Ps each year why I do it.  
 
 
 
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A7: Those who aren't on Twitter😉 I mean those who don't buy in to SBG. 😂 
 
 
 
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 i'm assigning less than 10 questions a night for the first time in my 17year career https://t.co/jF6TKLkuPf
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A7: The district sets policy. I don't necessarily agree with it. 
 
 
 
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  yeah many discussions how we shouldn't weight grades on behavior!! 
 
 
 
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   If a student can show mastery on classwork, why is homework or the test needed?  
 
 
 
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 Have u watched the Race to Nowhere on Netflix? Scary & eye opening, all educational stakeholders should watch it. 
 
 
 
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A8 really focus on that student reflection piece. Masking sure our students know that they are on track w/ their learning. 
 
 
 
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A7) the need to be consistent with lvl, large dep, or school/dist policy