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Welcome to tonight's #edchatie discussion where we'll be talking about “Bring your own Device” as encouraged by DES in the “School Excellence Initiative”. Who’s pushing this? On other hand, France proposing to ban smartphones in schools?"
Dearbhla, Primary, Kildare. Some of my class brought devices last year. Plenty of discussion beforehand around use and rules etc. No pressure to bring device. Worked well #edchatie
Hi everyone! Ciara from @rathuireland here!
Interested in what people think about this.
I have also used devices like phones in class to enable students to do limited independent or group research during tasks. Never had any problems and has been beneficial!
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When I say plenty of discussion we talked it over and over. We did some web wise lessons. We did some drama around it. Rules were firmly established beforehand, it’s so important #edchatie
I think you are highlighting a significant issue here, the Ethical issues of requiring students to have a device, and potentially home broadband. #edchatie
Hard one to gauge .. i believe in it but many schools not on board I believe because they just see costs and work involved with its implementation #edchatie
One of the projects we have running here is to provide LTE network for students living in lack of broadband areas. the urban areas are capable of 1Gb broadband #edchatie
Welcome to tonight's #edchatie discussion, which is all about:
“Bring your own Device” as encouraged by DES in the “School Excellence Initiative”. Who’s pushing this? On other hand, France proposing to ban smartphones in schools?"
Wrong message to be sending to our children (&parents) to BYOD. Students don’t need individual devices they should be encouraged to collaborate with technology and use it to assist their learning not replace it. Gov should cough up and supply schools with technology #edchatie
#edchatie we have a public network which they sign into and students have ACPS issued laptop which is hardwired to private network. Both have filtering. We have plans for a 3rd-a specific use case
For this hour, we're discussing “Bring your own Device” as encouraged by DES in the “School Excellence Initiative”. Who’s pushing this? On other hand, France proposing to ban smartphones in schools?"
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Yes, I did my research project on BYOD, didn’t see it in class however in the surveys at the end, some students remarked that others had been accessing social media which distracted them - can be difficult to monitor so many devices #edchatie
Dept Ed in their "School Excellence Fund" initiative (post primary and PRIMARY) want to see the practice of BYOD. Teachers need clarity on what this means? #edchatiehttps://t.co/yUyM5sfTMb
#edchatie Julie post primary teaching- interested in topic 2. Have been in a variety of schools some supportive of BYOD whereas others totally anti it. Often teacher practice on the ground at odds with the official policy of the school- something which definitely needs addressing
Cara FET Sector in Cavan Interesting topic. Have to be careful it doesn’t put pressure on parents or students to acquire said device. Schools should have these (basic) facilities? With good broadband of course! #edchatie
#edchatie In my mind the DES focus on BYOD is to let the schools off maintaining or purchasing devices. It will put more focus on teacher to use or develop resource that is multi browser friendly
That would be my main concern. All my class groups are between 26 and 30 students. Even with the best of intentions that is a lot of devices to monitor #edchatie
Can someone please clarify what the advantage of BYOD is? When all leading experts agree(ISPCC, David Coleman, Dr Mary Aiken)agree that children shouldn't have smartphones? Even Bill Gates... #edchatiehttps://t.co/jHrR7P2sZY
Hi Melissa primary teacher here. Keen to develop BYOD but I think the perception that a device is required for school could lead to children getting unrestricted access at home at an earlier age. We can supervise at school but we may indirectly cause issues at home. #edchatie
For BYOD to be successful, pupils need defined boundaries and explicit instruction from the outset as to when they should use their devices and why they’re using the tech. #edchatie
Primary SET, Mayo. What % of the 25-50 year old population (primary parents) have data connected devices? What % of 9-12 year olds (senior primary pupils) have devices capable of WiFi? I believe it is inclusive to #BYOD and set online homework... #edchatie
#edchatie In Albemarle, we trust children and although the trust is abused, it creates a teachable moment. Parents have a role too at home and have to work with schools
For BYOD to be successful, pupils need defined boundaries and explicit instruction from the outset as to when they should use their devices and why they’re using the tech. #edchatie
Yes I agree with you. However some parents manage to hold off giving the child their own device and I'm concerned I might force their hand earlier than they would otherwise #edchatie
As a teacher, I live in a hollow, so Cell coverage is poor. We are in the Polka Dot area, on the Fibre Rollout, which means that while my garden will have Digital fibre, My house will not. #edchatie
Another consideration is teaching the ability / importance of avoiding device dependency whether the Apple walled garden or Android #multiplicity#independence#edchatie
Late to the party! Aishling here, pp teacher of science and maths! Smartphones are brilliant resource to students! Just need good wifi! Difficult to get at times in rural Ireland! #edchatie
All our middle schoolers and high school students have district issued laptops . #edchatie approx 8000 and well as school based devices for elementary #edchatie
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For - fun way to engage students. Allows collaboration. It's easier than bringing a whole class to an overbooked computer room. Can allow for some very good self directed learning
We were advised, that if we used our own Ipad in the School, it would have to be reconfigured and licked down. So the family then need two devices, one for Leisure, (Netflix) and one for School work #edchatie
We have a 1:1 setup in my school, all students equipped with an iPad. Proper education around the AU of a devices as well as management structures on the device work a treat for us. #edchatie
Good point Cara re parents under pressure to buy devices. In ideal world, each classroom should have access to say 6 ipads/devices. Excellent resource for group work. #edchatie
So, is BYOD causing an interesting balancing act between schools & home, including issues of device availability, broadband access and supervision?
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Hi Melissa primary teacher here. Keen to develop BYOD but I think the perception that a device is required for school could lead to children getting unrestricted access at home at an earlier age. We can supervise at school but we may indirectly cause issues at home. #edchatie
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Against - lack of understanding on mgt as to how it works/benefits. Potential for students to go off topic. Potential for violation of rules /recording in classroom etc. Lack of Wi-Fi/student network. Unfair expectation then for students to use their own data
#edchatie Our first & second years are no longer allowed to have phones in school, even at break. Has caused me a few issues every now and again when I'd like to use them for something, but it is nice to see the students talking to each other in the yard.
Well, if my computer drops off the net then my license for Office starts complaining. Apple used to be more stand alone, but now is quite happy to load my selected podcasts back into the cloud to make room for whatever, and then wont run when off net. #edchatie
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All of above can be done without personal devices e.g. tablets or smartphones. Children can use shared laptops or computers. Schools should be given funding for this tech. If kids have phones what are they doing break time etc? Look at France #edchatie
Don't like the idea of students having phones at break/lunch. They should be out and about chatting with friends. But valuable resource to have in class when appropriately needed. #edchatie
Education is the key- teaching the next generation when & how & in what contexts technology is useful. They are not saying don’t go online, don’t code, don’t be digitally creative, don’t learn from Open Access scholarship @TheHarryMcC statement today gives DYCI insight #edchatie
#edchatie I would say post primary. On the basis a lot if not majority of parents say no phones to children until post primary. At least that's the consensus in my circle of friends. I would not allow my child to bring family tablet to school in case of damage
I think schools should have a BYOD guidelines for staff and students to follow. Get department heads to meet up and draw up a list of apps/sites that the students are expected to have on their phones. Standardise it initially to see how it goes.
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The technical expertise to implement this, is often lacking. For me in class its often, take out the headphones turn down the volume, and open up excel. And just because its in a song on youtube, it does not mean that that language is acceptable in class #edchatie
Agree! And I'm a disaster for doing that at times too. But find myself leaving my phone in my bag to get it away from me! Almost like an extra limb at thid stage! 😂 #edchatie
Schools have to ensure that their AUP is up to date to deal with any issues that can come from a BYOD. If schools don't update their AUP and use BYOD there is plenty of room for disaster #edchatie
Agree @fboss picked up some fantastic resourcesfrom @Webwise_Ireland today - excellent case studies and worksheets, they’ll distribute if you request #edchatie
Every week or so I find my phone, and charge it up to see how many missed calls I have. I'm either in class, or driving, so there is very little time when my use of a phone is appropriate. #edchatie#NotADigitalNative
Pádraic here, PP maths and chemistry. I love the idea of students using phones for quizzing, graphing etc. Hate whole school approach for ebooks #edchatie
I use my phone every day in class to call the roll. Very handy in that respect! It takes time to start up pc and login. Phone is v easily accessible! #edchatie
Not in my experience. I had 2nd class, we had went through a list of prohibited apps. We played Kahoot at first so it was easy for me to monitor. The new we used adobe spark video which they used for project work in groups and I went from group to group #edchatie
Moving away from technical Gripping, I think one of the keys to BYOD is Industrial strength WiFi. Without this, it all falls down. With this.. The dodgy students can watch you tube, and the good ones can work #edchatie
Really though, each classroom should have supply for 5 or 6 tablets for use by students. Especially when we are being encouraged to use ICT so much. Dept need to back up and fund these initiatives they promote! #edchatie
To be honest, I'm not fully sure, but I think it's more to do with cluster groups of schools to trial out various projects together. I'm guessing that BYOD could be one?
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@urbie, @istone_irene, @PDST_TechinEd, @DonWettrick
Strongly agree with this. We must teach digital citizenship, the benefits & dangers of technology... they are not learning this in every home, so surely schools should guide #edchatie
Education is the key- teaching the next generation when & how & in what contexts technology is useful. They are not saying don’t go online, don’t code, don’t be digitally creative, don’t learn from Open Access scholarship @TheHarryMcC statement today gives DYCI insight #edchatie
There's 15 official minutes left in tonight's #edchatie discussion. I will create the transcript of tonight's discussion later on tonight and tweet it out, so keep those tweets coming!
I was lucky with my class but I do believe that strict boundaries, plenty of discussion and another pair of eyes is key to good practice with BYOD. #edchatie
Definitely. In my room we do use multiple devices - mainly to check for Responsive Web Design. Or to notice how varying SM platforms work on desktop v mobile device. But there’s always 1 or 2 who don’t have mobiles. And that’s ok. Often give them mine! But that FET. #edchatie
I think if your innovative enough not to use a textbook, you probably want to roll your own resources. Having said that there is a matter of scale when it comes to sharing. #edchatie
Agree. I've had to power up the laptop for this as I've deleted all social media off the phone for January...and loving it so much it looks like it'll go on for longer #edchatie#DigitalDetox
I don't think computer rooms are as effective as a portable device is. I find it so handy to say to students right for 5 mins open up x app. No hassle, no booking rooms! Simple! #edchatie
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@MrGaryPatrick, @istone_irene, @mssweeneyhomeec, @fboss
Completely agree. Am lucky enough to have school set of (5) tablets at the moment - there's usually about that number of students whose phone is (for whatever reason) not in the room, and this solves that quickly and painlessly. #edchatie
Really though, each classroom should have supply for 5 or 6 tablets for use by students. Especially when we are being encouraged to use ICT so much. Dept need to back up and fund these initiatives they promote! #edchatie
What about data protection? Should this be done on one's personal phone? Friends who work in the private sector are not allowed use personal devices for work email. It shouldn't be any different for schools #edchatie
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We have to teach students to look left and right when crossing the Digital highways. We cant just keep then on a walled Garden footpath forever. #edchatie
Safety of children and protection of childhood must be paramount for educators,parents and society - technology of any kind or any other "thing/movement" cannot and should not get in the way of this #edchatie - one child who suffers is one too many in my POV #edchatie
#edchatie After working in a 1 to 1 managed device environment, I believe it is the better way of doing it. BYOD is doing it on the cheap from a DES pov
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All I use it for is to take roll. Its protected with a password, and then another login password for website. Management seem to have no issue with it. Email is a different story. #edchatie
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Absolutely. I've been doing #BYOD for probably 7/8 years but have NEVER had a full class of kids with devices. Discussion and trust are key. And when something happens, more discussion to build up trust. Isn't that how it works in "real life"? #edchatie
I was lucky with my class but I do believe that strict boundaries, plenty of discussion and another pair of eyes is key to good practice with BYOD. #edchatie
I think teachers in Ireland are doing a remarkable job with the minimal resources available to them, so many innovative, dedicated teachers trying their very best #edchatie
I think it will depend on schools individually. I imagine ETBs would be quicker to make the step to buy tablets. Seems to be more funding available.?! #edchatie
I give them my iPad but never my phone...at least, not any more. But I've wangled and kept next to obsolete smartphones from family and friends that work on wifi and websites even if not on apps... #edchatie
Teaching in youthreach my students are natural anarchists and rebels. BYOD is a given, which we may be trying to subvert for sound pedagogical reasons. #edchatie
What a year for it ! Great that links with 3 rd strand of learning outcomes for #jctmfl spec ! Hopeful to see new projects created this year as a result! #edchatie#jcreform
#Cultural Heritage is on the #eTwinning spotlight for 2018, offering an amazing opportunity to create unique learning experiences that will put in use intercultural educational practices with the goal to support and strengthen European cooperation: https://t.co/FjSYYqrtk8
Also every teacher primary and post primary should get half or full day CPD on Digital Citizenship and cover issues such as privacy, ethics online, safety, copyright etc @RichardbrutonTD#edchatie
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Agree, but sometimes it's great to go to the computer room and set the kids off on their tasks knowing they're all on a computer that "should" do everything you ask. That's how I started really developing ICT in my teaching - using the computer room. #edchatie
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Yes if i have an entire lesson planned where they require a computer. Otherwise i find its a waste if the activity will only take 20mins, rest of time is spent trying keep them focused on boardwork etc. Can be difficult. #edchatie
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We are using a software called mirroring 360 that allows us to call up / show on big screen what any student has on theirs at any time allows mix of devices in BYOD setting v useful #edchatie
Agree. I try to have a whole self-directed class plan on my blog that they can work through...with language games (I teach Spanish) at the end as a treat :) #edchatie
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@AshDonohoe, @MrGaryPatrick, @istone_irene, @mssweeneyhomeec, @fboss
Possibly a day a month on digital literacy, if we were to be realistic about it. One day courses rarely achieve more than just shining a torch on what's there. We have to get into the room and pull out the boxes! #edchatie
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