#memspachat Archive
A chat for Principals, Administrators & Lead Educators. Come join the Collaboration and Learning THURSDAY'S at 8pm ET.
Thursday March 17, 2016
8:00 PM EDT
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Welcome to - STARTING NOW!!!
Let's start with Introductions!
I am your moderator: Mike Domagalski, Elem Principal
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Good evening Mike... Betty Rosen-Leacher, Harvest Elementary Principal - Saline
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Hello crew! Jon here, elementary principal from Livonia.
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Hello, Mike Schulte here from Wilkerson Elementary in Warren
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Good evening everyone! Waiter Fitzpatrick here. Trombly Elementary School in Grosse Pointe. Looking forward to a great chat.
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Derek Wheaton reporting to admit all of my mistakes! Bosses fix blame! Leaders fix mistakes!
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Good evening Eric is here! Principal of Besser Elementary.
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Glad I'm not the only one
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Tim from Elmwood. Using my phone so I may not keep up without my tweet deck tonight!
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Heidi Clark here-expert at mistakes 💖
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Q1: We are human and we mistake happen, how does education define “mistakes” and how do you handle them when they occur?
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Laura McDonell, teacher in St. Clair; topic sounded interesting.
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Thanks all! Keeping fingers crossed. Rock the vote for kids!
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A1: Traditionally mistakes=failure. Today I believe mistakes=learning.
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- Welcome's Derek Adams. https://t.co/yxy4mtI9q5
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Evening all. Ele principal in Ferndale. Joining in before the kids go to bed.
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Since I was awkward at this last time, I sought advice from my 11 year old- maybe I'll do it right today!
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A1. I can't imagine life without mistakes. I call them opportunities. Learning opportunities may be a better definition.
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A1: Mistakes mean that you are trying something new. It's how we learn. FAIL = First Attempt In Learning
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A1: Mistakes are learning opportunities. We all make them. It's how we learn and react to them that makes us who we are...
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All mistakes are opportunities for learning. To me the "why" is important. Why was the choice made - determines how i respond.
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A1 I think we are still in that pivotal moment...they should be opportunities for growth.
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Yes! only through failing forward do we truly learn.
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A1: If you're not making mistakes, then you're not doing anything. I'm positive that a doer makes mistakes.Wooden
March Madness!
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Wasn't there a quote from the Lion King about Mistakes? Either run from them or learn from them?
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Chatting & watching Indiana! Distractions happen.
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if only everyone saw mistakes as chances. We all do or best... Yet is a powerful word too.
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Great point. Applies to academics and behavior. https://t.co/uMvZbpW8Yj
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All mistakes are opportunities for learning. To me the "why" is important. Why was the choice made - determines how i respond.
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Question 2 is in the hopper on ...
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Q2: When you see students make disciplinary mistakes, how are these handled & how do you get them to learn from their mistakes?
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A1: No mistakes mean you're playing it too safe. Awareness of and learning from mistakes=growth! Fail Forward!
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A2-all behavior serves a purpose. Help students to recognize the purpose behind their behavior & explore positive alternatives.
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A1:We will relentlessly chase perfection knowing full well we will never catch it.But along the way, we will catch excellence.
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We SHOULD see them as opportunities 4 growth. Too often we instead shame ourselves or others if they happen
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- Vote for Eric Caldwell - Michigan Principal viaing for NAESP VP - https://t.co/jpXnJCvZ0i
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- Great question! https://t.co/5uD8ErIKEl
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risk taking is where most mistakes happen... Are they really mistakes then?
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A2: The word discipline means to learn. I always told my kids: "We all make mistakes, that's why pencils come with erasers."
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A2: teaching IS discipline. A mistake is just data that we can act on to help our kids grow.
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A2: One size does NOT fit all! Consequences need to be restorative and meaningful NOT punitive. Ask how Ss can learn from this!
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A2: relationships❤️I address school discipline as at home. Confront & teach-then make sure they know they're still loved deeply
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In general my process begins with conversation, what other choices could be made, problem solve, role play, ask what now
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A2: I don't see disciplinary mistakes as teachable moments. Teach what we expect w/focus on the positive.
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Can I quadruple like this response!
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A2: when students make behavioral mistakes it's our opportunity to teach. To build relationships, to guide/grow learners
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A2: I always attempt to get Ss to own their behavior. Then they can learn from it.
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Love that line - The goal is always to improve and make better decisions
https://t.co/Jv7Cns0AWH
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A2: The word discipline means to learn. I always told my kids: "We all make mistakes, that's why pencils come with erasers."
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BIG question... I don't think so! Let's focus on opportunity. That's my new word.
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Did you mean to say I don't or I do?
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Great comments from S when we ask them what the take away is at the end. https://t.co/80O9mkO4G6
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A2: One size does NOT fit all! Consequences need to be restorative and meaningful NOT punitive. Ask how Ss can learn from this!
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A1) fail: first attempt at learning! I love this perspective. Mistakes are a great way to get feedback.
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A2b:look at behavior as a message about an unmet need. Get to the root of the why behind the behavior & be proactive w/support
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Thanks! I DO see disciplinary mistakes as teachable moments. :) Thanks for catching.
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QUESTION 3 is coming up on . Get ready!
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yes!!! All behavior is telling us something. Question is what
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A2: Just like any other mistake. Reflect, Learn from it, Move on and do better next time (Repeat)
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A2) kids who need the most love ask for it in the most unloving ways. Usually they are asking for help in disguise.
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Q3: How do you handle these conversations when it consist of parents learning from their own mistake?
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Whew! I was ready to get out my eraser and fix your mistake!
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A2: Jumping in late. Trying to integrate Leader in Me content. Reflect, take ownership and plan for change.
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I so agree with your statement! That is struggle for my staff
https://t.co/I9puwlc4bf
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A2: One size does NOT fit all! Consequences need to be restorative and meaningful NOT punitive. Ask how Ss can learn from this!
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A3: Many times I approach things parent to parent rather than principal to parent. Put myself in their shoes!
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A3: empathy. Listen. Process with them. Empathy, listen, process, empathy, listen, process...
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A3: I've learned to be very honest w/ Ps and use personal experience to make them feel safe.
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A2: Some T's expect that every kid has learned how to behave. There is a continuum and we help S's learn just like any subject!
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Great Idea. I need to use that one https://t.co/0zDq0DvkIm
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A3: Many times I approach things parent to parent rather than principal to parent. Put myself in their shoes!
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A3: Sometimes it is a marathon. Build relationships and be patient. With our guidance change can happen over time.
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Wow - that is a great question. Relationship is key. Listen, Learn and Teach
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Parent to parent and team member to team member! https://t.co/P66e2LA0TH
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Great Idea. I need to use that one https://t.co/0zDq0DvkIm
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A3: Many times I approach things parent to parent rather than principal to parent. Put myself in their shoes!
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I am a parent in my building so I use personal examples/relationships all the time.
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A3: Ditto ...I've gotten more miles out of being a dad then anything else! https://t.co/S8MLHND5uQ
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A3: Many times I approach things parent to parent rather than principal to parent. Put myself in their shoes!
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agreed. Sometimes the most important work we do is with our Ps. Working with them helps our Ss in the end!
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A3: I share my own parenting failures & listen, empathize, and offer support. We are all in this together for the student!
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A3: We are the children's advocate, many times we have to teach parents to be learners from their mistakes.
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Agree - having a relationship is so important. https://t.co/sdhOQn8thX
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A3: Sometimes it is a marathon. Build relationships and be patient. With our guidance change can happen over time.
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A3: Being a parent myself helps a ton! I talk more parent-parent than parent-principal.
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To own and embrace their mistakes. To put them behind and push forward! https://t.co/IegGGGXn17
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A3: We are the children's advocate, many times we have to teach parents to be learners from their mistakes.
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A3 through discussing & presenting the facts they can often see the error.
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QUESTION 4 coming up next on ... How about learning from mistakes with innovation?
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Great Todd Whitaker line, "if I were you, I would want to know . . ."
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Q4: Let’s get innovative… When is it okay for students to take risks and make mistakes with a risk. Examples?
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A3) compliment and acknowledge effort. Also give grace. As a fellow parent I never know when I will need the same things.
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A3 - Personal experiences with parents lets them know we share challenges. I stress the "reset" button with them as well...
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I also believe knowing the home situation is helpful Be empathic Not one right way or answer
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I remember being a young new (and very green) teacher. Parents looked to me for answers. It taught me to be a better T and P.
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A4 anytime! I see big gains during Tech Fridays, projects.
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A4: Innovation & risk taking is our focus right now. We are reading Innovator Mindset asking same ?s to staff.
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School should be about making mistakes. But without conversation and trying again nothing is learned.
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agreed. Information is easy today. Discovery through error is key (thinking Edison).
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A4: ALWAYS! No risk taking means you are playing it safe. Think climbing a tree or raising your hand to answer a question!
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A4: trick question... It's always okay... So long as S's are thoughtful and show learning and growth.
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A4: I love when students take risks and think innovative, even when they make errors! They are so inquisitive when this happens!
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large builds. I have a T that brings out saws, hot glue. They build all sorts of items. Image, draft, build &learn.
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and busy watching basketball tonight?
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A4:Ss should ALWAYS feel safe to take risks! Living in the land of safe means staying inside of an unchanged, boring bubble😕
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A4: Just part for the course! Create a safe , empathetic and innovative culture and reflect on successes and failures.
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A4) what = a risk is different for each kid. Appreciate and always acknowledge work. Share your own failures w students.
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Q5: When students make mistakes, is there ever a time where they should be rewarded? Examples and what does it look like?
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A4: Always, Always, Always!
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Q5: - When students make mistakes, is there ever a time where they should be rewarded? Examples and what does it look like?
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A4: Parents see their babes take risks all the time.Young children display true innovative learning. Sometimes we squelch it!
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Q5: Easy answer - Yes! Reward when they find another question or find a new solution we haven't thought of.
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A5: We should praise effort over product. A student learns and grows at his/her own rate. Learning is the goal.
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sorry time to read Harry Potter the kids.
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A5: Absolutely! Reward with "Now what are you thinking?" "What might you do now?" How can you fix this?" Show me!
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A5: reward w praise for risk & connect to what is learned. Ts model this if Admin models it. SQ shift. Examples are many.
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A5: I'm guessing, but may say something like: Praise their Thinking over praising the product. SO CORRECT!
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isn't the reward getting a "do over"? Think about the excitement that comes from a youngster when they got it.
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A5 How cool when Ss use growth mindset language after a mistake without adult prompting- that's a cause for celebration!
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Right on brother! You rock! All research points to praising effort over achievement!
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A5: Sometimes "mistakes" can lead to new thinking or new ways of looking at things. The "right" answer isn't always right
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A5: Thinking is never right or wrong! No mistakes there
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A5: El Sts keep data in leadership notebooks. They can fail and fail, reflect and succeed. Celebrate where they came from!!
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growth mindsets in action
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Question 6 coming in hot on ... Here it comes!
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A5 - The child with perseverance will be the adult problem solver of tomorrow.
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on! Think about when you or your kid learned to ride a bike for the first time! What if you quit and didn't learn?
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A5: Be honest with self... When young & fearless, the fun had more intensity... & we prob. grew more too https://t.co/CI43LKAARS
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Q6: How comfortable do you feel about teachers going outside the “norms” of the curriculum and making mistakes along the way?
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Yes! The center of it all!!! https://t.co/yOehBbxxnO
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isn't the reward getting a "do over"? Think about the excitement that comes from a youngster when they got it.
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A6: VERY!!! Those are the classrooms I enjoy being in!
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A6: VERY! Goes to our innovation/risk taking.
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And the problem identifier!
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A6: huge rush for us to take... I do it all the time
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A6: I love when T's have innovative ideas on how to use the curriculum as a guidelines to spur student interest.
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A6: I love teachers who want to think differently about education. Just met with teachers today about
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Huge risk too... working on phone tonight
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I'd rather a risk taker with the right intentions then the compliant mundane educator . Staff needs to feel they can fail as well
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A 6 - Those are the most innovative and engaging classrooms! I value teachers who push the traditional!
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it's a path... Not the only path
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Have your teachers read Innovators Mindset by to get your teachers to think differently about teaching
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A6 When Ts are making mistakes in the spirit of continuous improvement, they learn more than I could have ever taught them
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A6: What we want are reflective practitioners- think, dream, take risks, implement, reflect, do again or do differently-repeat!
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Best Book they will Read!!!
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QUESTION 7 coming up... Let's learn from our own mistakes
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Q7: What recent mistake have you made? What have you learned from this mistake and/or what have u learned to do diff next time?
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Agreed. Leads to greater job satisfaction and student motivation. https://t.co/ef47DK7z0Z
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A6: What we want are reflective practitioners- think, dream, take risks, implement, reflect, do again or do differently-repeat!
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A7: Pushing curriculum too fast. Want to find innovative ways to create and reignite passion in teachers.
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A7: I jumped in to solve a problem when my teacher just needed me to listen. Slow down and just listen!
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A7: Presented to High School teachers yesterday and we did dance revolution. They thought it was childish. I will do it again!
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Made huge mistake this week. I learned risk taking is worth it... I need to be more thoughtful though at times.
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A7: Walking away from disagreement w/out addressing difference. Had to wait 2 weeks to clear the air. Need to face head on
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David, I get called on that one all the time at home too brother!
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Have a great night! Great topic and conversation
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My mistake was to assume and draw a conclusion without seeking information or listening. - slow down - take the time necessary
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A7:With a smirk, a S silently said, "What'd u expect?" with my latest risk in class. My blog = https://t.co/gHNxiPzphy "Fail"?
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I won’t be on next week! Headed to the conference in San Diego to learn at tweeting all week!
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A7:I forget that not everyone is as comfortable as I am with change- I want to steam forward and not everyone is there with me
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LAST QUESTION in 30 seconds on
Learning from mistakes...
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Thanks for a great evening...time to get the son into bed. I will be back for our next Good night all!
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Q8: What is something that you would like to improve on, knowing that you’ve made some mistakes in the past or it’s a weak area?
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A7: Most recent mistake: Scheduled an event on Friday night without teacher input...yeah, that was popular:)
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A7: Planning events and making too quick of calls w/o office and teacher input. If staff own it and have input, they buy in
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A8: Slowing down…it’s something I am always aware of in my personality…just need to keep reminding myself!
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A8: Slow down & write it down! Ideas are exploding but don't want to lose the momentum and great ideas!
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A8: Honestly, constantly looking at improving..time management, giving feedback, checking in with folks. Always room for growth
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A8: Lil' late :)
Sometimes get too many balls in air & don't do any well. Need to have better focus. https://t.co/S51fZixtVk
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Q8: What is something that you would like to improve on, knowing that you’ve made some mistakes in the past or it’s a weak area?
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Q8: My word this year is Gratitude. I am doing better looking for it and giving it out, but I need to be more consistent!
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Just an FYI on , we WILL be back next week (March 24)
Then we're taking 2 weeks off for SPring break - Back on April 14
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Biggest challenge is being patient and slowing done. I preach those words but I need to embrace them more for myself.
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A8: improve in building confidence for Ss/Ts to take risks & feel it was worth it... The value takes a new mindset & it is hard
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A8: Getting into classrooms more and following up with better feedback. I know I can do better.
