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RusulAlrubail - Moderator Jan 19 @ 8:00 PM EST

Welcome to #Profchat, tonight's topic is Academic Integrity Education.

KrisGiere Jan 19 @ 8:00 PM EST

"Belonging is more than singing Kumbaya" - Wandering the Path: Exploring Compliance & Belonging https://t.co/ll4663qJn3 #WeLeadEd #profchat

RusulAlrubail - Moderator Jan 19 @ 8:01 PM EST

This chat is for Higher Ed teachers who are interested in talking about teaching practices but all are welcome. #Profchat

RusulAlrubail - Moderator Jan 19 @ 8:02 PM EST

Your moderator tonight is @msuburton please join me in welcoming her. #Profchat

RusulAlrubail - Moderator Jan 19 @ 8:02 PM EST

Welcome, tell us who you are, what you teach and where you’re joining us from tonight. #Profchat

PLloydHenry Jan 19 @ 8:02 PM EST

Hi #profchat - I'm Phiona, a HS English teacher & department head in Peel. Academic honesty is of great concern to many Ts.

msuburton Jan 19 @ 8:03 PM EST

Looking forward to moderating! I teach critical issues as well as legal & ethical issues in #highered. #Profchat #AcAdv #sachat #ombuds

philosophypaul Jan 19 @ 8:03 PM EST

@RusulAlrubail #profchat Paul teaching Senior Research Project this semester at Shaw U.

RusulAlrubail - Moderator Jan 19 @ 8:04 PM EST

We will be using the Q1: A1: format for questions and responses. Let's get started. #Profchat

KrisGiere Jan 19 @ 8:04 PM EST

English prof in Indianapolis excited for another energizing #profchat! Welcome @msuburton!

msuburton Jan 19 @ 8:04 PM EST

Q1: In what ways do you discuss academic integrity with your students? #Profchat

msuburton Jan 19 @ 8:05 PM EST

@PLloydHenry Agreed! Needs to be addressed at K-12 level as well! #Profchat

KrisGiere Jan 19 @ 8:05 PM EST

A1: In the mandated ways according to college policy (briefly), then in context throughout the semester. #profchat

msuburton Jan 19 @ 8:06 PM EST

@KrisGiere Can you tell us more about the context in which you discuss it? #Profchat

philosophypaul Jan 19 @ 8:06 PM EST

@msuburton A1 Research methodology and the varying (8 or more) forms of plagiarism raise the issue of integrity #profchat

KrisGiere Jan 19 @ 8:08 PM EST

@msuburton - That varies, but stock context might be when discussing use of sources, quality of work, peer editing, etc. #profchat

msuburton Jan 19 @ 8:10 PM EST

Q1b: Does the content of the conversation center solely on "not doing it" or the "why it's important not to do it?" #Profchat

KrisGiere Jan 19 @ 8:10 PM EST

@msuburton - Additionally, we discuss areas that touch on integrity from ownership of ideas to demonstrations of learning. #profchat

msuburton Jan 19 @ 8:11 PM EST

Q2: How do you respond when you believe a student has committed academic misconduct? #Profchat

philosophypaul Jan 19 @ 8:12 PM EST

@msuburton A1b Conversation focuses on how and why to avoid "not doing it" Yes. However, value of integrity underlies convo. #profchat

stephwurking Jan 19 @ 8:13 PM EST

Good evening and Happy 2016 #profchat My 1st chat for the year.

KrisGiere Jan 19 @ 8:13 PM EST

A1b: I was taught to give a "don't do it" speech, but I now work w/ Ss to define academic integrity & promote their understanding. #profchat

msuburton Jan 19 @ 8:14 PM EST

Love this! I wish this occurred on a more consistent basis. #Profchat https://t.co/sLx5Kp11fM

KrisGiere Jan 19 @ 8:13 PM EST

A1b: I was taught to give a "don't do it" speech, but I now work w/ Ss to define academic integrity & promote their understanding. #profchat

philosophypaul Jan 19 @ 8:14 PM EST

@msuburton A2 Academic misconduct takes multiple forms. Admin. dictates procedure for "cheating" For plagiarism perhaps revision #profchat

KrisGiere Jan 19 @ 8:15 PM EST

A2: That depends on the Ss. I don't subscribe to zero tolerance policies or 1 rule for all. I counsel w/ them & decide from there. #profchat

PLloydHenry Jan 19 @ 8:15 PM EST

@msuburton At Hs, the grade level of the S is considered - 9-10 we often stress learning how not to & stress why not later #Profchat

msuburton Jan 19 @ 8:15 PM EST

@philosophypaul Would you say the procedure is about punishing he behavior or rehabilitation? What happens? #Profchat

KrisGiere Jan 19 @ 8:16 PM EST

@msuburton - When I was chair, I actively worked w/ my faculty to shift their thinking about academic integrity. #profchat

msuburton Jan 19 @ 8:17 PM EST

@PLloydHenry I'm actually presenting to my son's 5th grade class on academic integrity in a week... focusing on the why. #Profchat

philosophypaul Jan 19 @ 8:17 PM EST

Reply: Admin policy is generally punishment. Rehabilitation more often when educating on plagiarism #profchat https://t.co/v4EWZbui31

msuburton Jan 19 @ 8:15 PM EST

@philosophypaul Would you say the procedure is about punishing he behavior or rehabilitation? What happens? #Profchat

msuburton Jan 19 @ 8:18 PM EST

Q3: How did you learn about your institution’s academic integrity policy? #Profchat

KrisGiere Jan 19 @ 8:19 PM EST

A3: It is required for us to publish it in our syllabi. #profchat

PLloydHenry Jan 19 @ 8:19 PM EST

@msuburton This is great - it could be lovely way to link cheating with character ed #profchat

msuburton Jan 19 @ 8:19 PM EST

Q3b Do you think it is appropriate? That there is due process for the student? Why or why not? #Profchat

KrisGiere Jan 19 @ 8:22 PM EST

A3: W/ all of the req punitive policies in my syllabi, I used joke it was "101 ways to fail," not a syllabus. So, I revamp'd it. #profchat

PLloydHenry Jan 19 @ 8:23 PM EST

In undergrad we were told in initial assembly & warned repeatedly by profs - post grad -in our student package/course outlines #profchat

msuburton Jan 19 @ 8:24 PM EST

Faculty struggle w/ balance. How do we educate about academic integrity not just punish misconduct? One is easier than the other. #Profchat

msuburton Jan 19 @ 8:25 PM EST

Q4: What methods do you employ to prevent misconduct in your courses? #Profchat

philosophypaul Jan 19 @ 8:25 PM EST

@msuburton A3b Due process should be appropriate if understood by all parties. If not disclosed, it may not be fair practice. #profchat

KrisGiere Jan 19 @ 8:25 PM EST

A3b: I don't know that I would call it due process as much as a process to support academic punishments. #profchat

PLloydHenry Jan 19 @ 8:26 PM EST

@msuburton How many Ss who plagiarize genuinely do not understand what they are doing? #profchat

KrisGiere Jan 19 @ 8:27 PM EST

Maybe not even support but handle them. #profchat

philosophypaul Jan 19 @ 8:27 PM EST

@msuburton A4 Information, education. Peer discussion of how to handle slackers and plagiarism is a powerful tool. #profchat

msuburton Jan 19 @ 8:27 PM EST

Agreed. Parties need to understand process itself, so that they understand their rights to appeal, etc. #Profchat https://t.co/FBqPIS3gWV

philosophypaul Jan 19 @ 8:25 PM EST

@msuburton A3b Due process should be appropriate if understood by all parties. If not disclosed, it may not be fair practice. #profchat

msuburton Jan 19 @ 8:28 PM EST

@KrisGiere So, students do not have a right to appeal? Do the faculty have to provide burden of proof? #Profchat

philosophypaul Jan 19 @ 8:28 PM EST

@msuburton I highly recommend the tools of Turnitin and free educational resources to educate about #plagiarism #profchat

KrisGiere Jan 19 @ 8:29 PM EST

A4: I get to know my Ss, their interests, & their writing. If something doesn't sound like them, we have a discussion about why. #profchat

msuburton Jan 19 @ 8:29 PM EST

@PLloydHenry Intention is a difficult thing to prove. #Profchat

philosophypaul Jan 19 @ 8:29 PM EST

@msuburton @KrisGiere Follow-up: is this a peer review process or an administration run process? #profchat

msuburton Jan 19 @ 8:30 PM EST

Another great resource is the International Center for Academic Integrity @TweetCAI #Profchat https://t.co/KgsGa5hNqC

philosophypaul Jan 19 @ 8:28 PM EST

@msuburton I highly recommend the tools of Turnitin and free educational resources to educate about #plagiarism #profchat

KrisGiere Jan 19 @ 8:30 PM EST

@msuburton - Ss can appeal of course. Proof is submitted. However, the intent of most policies is to avoid lawsuit, not help Ss. #profchat

ambartosik Jan 19 @ 8:30 PM EST

Hope I can still contribute. Anna from Ontario, Canada, joining #profchat fashionably late

philosophypaul Jan 19 @ 8:31 PM EST

Critical: know your students, know their pressures. Great point #profchat https://t.co/veR8Vut4hr

KrisGiere Jan 19 @ 8:29 PM EST

A4: I get to know my Ss, their interests, & their writing. If something doesn't sound like them, we have a discussion about why. #profchat

msuburton Jan 19 @ 8:32 PM EST

Q5: What do you see as the biggest contributors to academic misconduct? #Profchat

msuburton Jan 19 @ 8:32 PM EST

@philosophypaul @KrisGiere @ Michigan State it isn't peer until final appeal for Ss. Other institutions it is peer run entirely. #Profchat

ambartosik Jan 19 @ 8:32 PM EST

A4 I made as responsible for reading & understanding what I have to teach; I use my teaching material as their reading material #profchat

KrisGiere Jan 19 @ 8:33 PM EST

@philosophypaul - One could call it that, yes. I find little integrity in putting policy & procedure above the people involved. #profchat

msuburton Jan 19 @ 8:34 PM EST

@KrisGiere @philosophypaul - I always ask Ss coming to see me about a charge of misconduct to tell me their story. #Profchat

philosophypaul Jan 19 @ 8:34 PM EST

@msuburton @KrisGiere Former university used Ss and honor council. Current university relies on Office of VP for Student Affairs #profchat

RusulAlrubail - Moderator Jan 19 @ 8:34 PM EST

@ambartosik hey anna nice to see you here! #profchat

ambartosik Jan 19 @ 8:34 PM EST

A4b I turned this into their collaborative reading assignment before librarian did wkshp on plagiarism #profchat https://t.co/AbpLrJT7UM

KrisGiere Jan 19 @ 8:34 PM EST

A5: A combination of competing priorities, unclear expectations, and/or student engagement among others. #profchat

KrisGiere Jan 19 @ 8:35 PM EST

@msuburton @philosophypaul - I've seen both what you describe & a purely administrative process. #profchat

msuburton Jan 19 @ 8:35 PM EST

In relation to expectations, major issue now is unauthorized collaboration. Ss struggling w/ boundaries in group work. #Profchat

cherisemcb Jan 19 @ 8:35 PM EST

Hello #profchat! Checking in while I've got a break! Happy to join y'all

PLloydHenry Jan 19 @ 8:36 PM EST

@msuburton Point taken -easier to ensure that they understand what academic integrity is & how to apply it #profchat

ambartosik Jan 19 @ 8:36 PM EST

@KrisGiere @philosophypaul our library has instituted a tutorial - ss must pass as part of process #profchat

msuburton Jan 19 @ 8:37 PM EST

@ambartosik @KrisGiere @philosophypaul Nice. We have discussed it, but trying to find appropriate place for tutorial can be tough. #Profchat

philosophypaul Jan 19 @ 8:37 PM EST

@msuburton A5 Contributions vary: lack of knowledge, pressure to preform, and ease of access may influence misconduct #profchat

ambartosik Jan 19 @ 8:37 PM EST

@RusulAlrubail hey Rusul :) #profchat

cherisemcb Jan 19 @ 8:37 PM EST

@ambartosik @KrisGiere @philosophypaul in person tutorial? Do Ss take it seriously? #profchat

RusulAlrubail - Moderator Jan 19 @ 8:38 PM EST

@cherisemcb hey Cherise, how are you? #profchat

philosophypaul Jan 19 @ 8:38 PM EST

@msuburton @ambartosik @KrisGiere For new Ss we have built in an integrity component in the library tutorial #profchat

cherisemcb Jan 19 @ 8:38 PM EST

@KrisGiere yes once u get to know their writing, fishy stuff can be easy to spot #profchat

ambartosik Jan 19 @ 8:38 PM EST

@msuburton @KrisGiere @philosophypaul I believe it's online with opportunities to "do again" until successful #profchat

msuburton Jan 19 @ 8:39 PM EST

Q6: How do you help students connect academic integrity in educational setting to integrity in the professional setting? #Profchat

Educate2day941 Jan 19 @ 8:39 PM EST

Sorry I am joining late. I was "teaching" by Zoom. Teach grad SS & host a radio show on Ed. I'm in Cali. #profchat

ambartosik Jan 19 @ 8:40 PM EST

A5 trusting/relying on Turnitin to solve/detect all academic dishonesty instead of fostering writing process #profchat

philosophypaul Jan 19 @ 8:41 PM EST

@msuburton A6 Case studies are a great segue into the professional connection: Would you care if this were your surgeon? Lawyer? #profchat

cherisemcb Jan 19 @ 8:41 PM EST

@KrisGiere reminding me I better recheck my syllabus for appropriate req's b4 first class tmrw! #profchat

Educate2day941 Jan 19 @ 8:41 PM EST

@KrisGiere I really agree with you about this. It's the only thing that doesn't make them feel totally defensive. #profchat

ambartosik Jan 19 @ 8:42 PM EST

@cherisemcb @KrisGiere @philosophypaul don't know because I'm not involved then,but it's a necessary element of the process #profchat

philosophypaul Jan 19 @ 8:42 PM EST

@ambartosik Reply. Yes, the Turnitin product is promoted as a teaching tool and not an end all. #profchat

cherisemcb Jan 19 @ 8:42 PM EST

@KrisGiere although at the grad level the convos are fewer #profchat

RusulAlrubail - Moderator Jan 19 @ 8:42 PM EST

@msuburton I tell them that we have to learn how to do things/writing ourselves so that we don't rely on others for help. #profchat

msuburton Jan 19 @ 8:43 PM EST

Q8: What barriers do you have related to academic integrity education, prevention & response? #Profchat

RusulAlrubail - Moderator Jan 19 @ 8:43 PM EST

@KrisGiere i think that's the best way to do it. Many of my ELLs also don't understand academic integrity from our standards. #profchat

KrisGiere Jan 19 @ 8:43 PM EST

A6: I use varied ways, including showing Kirby Ferguson's "Embrace the remix" https://t.co/l8k2lrQr9V for ownership connection. #profchat

philosophypaul Jan 19 @ 8:44 PM EST

Foster Ss own voice while building integrity. #profchat https://t.co/R2vP5kc5MF

RusulAlrubail - Moderator Jan 19 @ 8:42 PM EST

@msuburton I tell them that we have to learn how to do things/writing ourselves so that we don't rely on others for help. #profchat

RusulAlrubail - Moderator Jan 19 @ 8:44 PM EST

@cherisemcb @KrisGiere love it. But don't we always have the expectation that if we covered it they shouldn't mess up? #profchat

msuburton Jan 19 @ 8:44 PM EST

Sorry about that... not sure why Q8 skipped ahead! Q7 coming shortly! #Profchat

RusulAlrubail - Moderator Jan 19 @ 8:44 PM EST

@ambartosik how's it going anna? #profchat

KrisGiere Jan 19 @ 8:45 PM EST

@Educate2day941 - Absolutely! When students are seen as people, conduct is easier to discuss openly & honestly. #profchat

philosophypaul Jan 19 @ 8:45 PM EST

@msuburton A8 One barrier may be haste to process. It takes time and involvement to know Ss as @KrisGiere notes. #profchat

RusulAlrubail - Moderator Jan 19 @ 8:45 PM EST

@philosophypaul exactly! empower students that they can do it, give them the tools & resources. #profchat

msuburton Jan 19 @ 8:46 PM EST

Q7: How can #highered better partner w/ #k12 to educate for academic integrity? #Profchat

KrisGiere Jan 19 @ 8:47 PM EST

@RusulAlrubail - To make meaningfulness, the learner needs to be engaged, not simply warned. #profchat @cherisemcb

msuburton Jan 19 @ 8:48 PM EST

Agreed! Getting to know them helps break down poor power dynamic classroom to better address issues. #Profchat https://t.co/QJ8tvDTLIS

KrisGiere Jan 19 @ 8:45 PM EST

@Educate2day941 - Absolutely! When students are seen as people, conduct is easier to discuss openly & honestly. #profchat

philosophypaul Jan 19 @ 8:48 PM EST

@msuburton A7 #highered may invite #k12 to prepare for rigor of integrity; #k12 may invite #higeered to show why integrity matters #profchat

KrisGiere Jan 19 @ 8:48 PM EST

A7: That one is as complex as the people w/in. I honestly don't know if I know. #profchat

KrisGiere Jan 19 @ 8:49 PM EST

@msuburton - Great point! The power dynamic is sort of central to this all. Isn't it? #profchat

ambartosik Jan 19 @ 8:50 PM EST

@philosophypaul @msuburton yes! Needed #profchat

RusulAlrubail - Moderator Jan 19 @ 8:50 PM EST

@KrisGiere @cherisemcb agree! I didn't discover this till my students showed me. The concept of plagiarism is so different to them #profchat

Educate2day941 Jan 19 @ 8:51 PM EST

Q7 Not sure "integrity" argument works. Hard to convince SS they r hurting anyone. Confidence & relationship more basic,I think #profchat

KrisGiere Jan 19 @ 8:52 PM EST

A7: I can't help but wonder how the power dynamics affect the #highered / #K12 relationship too. #profchat

philosophypaul Jan 19 @ 8:52 PM EST

@msuburton Reply ?: Does the conventional power dynamic contribute to abuse of integrity? Will student-centeredness matter? #profchat

KrisGiere Jan 19 @ 8:53 PM EST

@RusulAlrubail @cherisemcb - The understanding & procedures related to academic integrity can vary from culture to culture too. #profchat

Educate2day941 Jan 19 @ 8:54 PM EST

A8 Sometimes when SS are told, even gently, that work is copied they are mortified and disappear #profchat

RusulAlrubail - Moderator Jan 19 @ 8:55 PM EST

Thank you for joining #Profchat, chat on Academic Integrity Education, Prevention

msuburton Jan 19 @ 8:55 PM EST

@philosophypaul Great question! I think it depends on the notion of fear. Does fear of failure lead to integrity issues? #Profchat

msuburton Jan 19 @ 8:55 PM EST

@philosophypaul Does it matter if you use cohersive or reward power vs. expert power for example? #Profchat

msuburton Jan 19 @ 8:56 PM EST

Q9: What questions do you still have about academic integrity prevention & education/ #Profchat

RusulAlrubail - Moderator Jan 19 @ 8:56 PM EST

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msuburton Jan 19 @ 8:56 PM EST

@KrisGiere In what ways? #Profchat

philosophypaul Jan 19 @ 8:56 PM EST

Yes, disappearance due to fear of power may feed the problem rather than foster recovery. #profchat https://t.co/i3YOy5T4gq

Educate2day941 Jan 19 @ 8:54 PM EST

A8 Sometimes when SS are told, even gently, that work is copied they are mortified and disappear #profchat

KrisGiere Jan 19 @ 8:57 PM EST

@RusulAlrubail - I missed this tweet & basically repeated what you already said. You are 3 steps ahead of me! :-) #profchat

RusulAlrubail - Moderator Jan 19 @ 8:57 PM EST

@msuburton how can we help our diverse learners to understand our code of conduct/standards better? #profchat

RusulAlrubail - Moderator Jan 19 @ 8:58 PM EST

@msuburton would probably require more workshops, to remove language barriers. #profchat

KrisGiere Jan 19 @ 8:58 PM EST

@msuburton - When I have worked to bridge #k12 & #highered in the past, many #k12 Ts felt #highered was dictating their practices. #profchat

philosophypaul Jan 19 @ 8:58 PM EST

@msuburton Reply expert power may be S-centered. Coercive power may reinforce authority at the cost of the learner. #profchat

KrisGiere Jan 19 @ 8:59 PM EST

@msuburton - Additionally, they confessed they felt their efforts & mountain of mandates weren't considered as real in the convo. #profchat

RusulAlrubail - Moderator Jan 19 @ 8:59 PM EST

Thank you to our amazing guest moderator @msuburton You did fabulous Shannon! #profchat

msuburton Jan 19 @ 8:59 PM EST

Thank you for letting me moderate! #Profchat