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St006C May 22 @ 9:00 PM EDT

Welcome to #kinderchat ! We're discussing all things related to retention!

CarrieMarshall1 May 22 @ 9:00 PM EDT

Hello #kinderchat good to be back on this lovely Victoria Day #longweekend #endisinsight

St006C May 22 @ 9:01 PM EDT

#kinderchat

HelmsCarleigh May 22 @ 9:01 PM EDT

Hi everyone! I'm Carleigh, and I'm actually still in school. I'm hoping to learn a lot from this chat tonight!! #kinderchat

KeeneeLou May 22 @ 9:02 PM EDT

Hi #kinderchat enjoying a beautiful sunny Victoria Day!

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des_maine May 22 @ 9:02 PM EDT

Help everyone!! My name is India and I teach in Texas!! #kinderchat

KC_SEASportsFan May 22 @ 9:02 PM EDT

Hello!! #KinderChat

des_maine May 22 @ 9:03 PM EDT

Let's try this again... HELLO everyone!! My name is India and I teach in Texas!! #kinderchat

katnish16 May 22 @ 9:03 PM EDT

Hi #kinderchat! Kathryn from the Los Angeles area. One thing I would do over this year would be finding this group much earlier than I did!

CarrieMarshall1 May 22 @ 9:03 PM EDT

We’re glad you found us now though! #kinderchat

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happycampergirl - Moderator May 22 @ 9:03 PM EDT

Hi all! Amy here, in the Canada, enjoying a spectacularly beautiful long weekend! #Kinderchat

St006C May 22 @ 9:03 PM EDT

As your intro yourself, tell about one thing you would do over this year. #kinderchat

Uustinaa May 22 @ 9:03 PM EDT

I'm Justine and I teach some French Immersion Kindergarten classes in Ontario #kinderchat

dubioseducator May 22 @ 9:04 PM EDT

Hi #kinderchat I spent the day with 2nd Grade on a field trip. Faige in very warm Los Angeles

KndrgartnROX May 22 @ 9:04 PM EDT

HI #kinderchat. Checking in from Oklahoma and celebrating the last Monday of the school year!

happycampergirl - Moderator May 22 @ 9:04 PM EDT

Welcome! I'm at a French immersion school, too! #Kinderchat

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St006C May 22 @ 9:04 PM EDT

First Q coming up in 2 minutes #kinderchat

CarrieMarshall1 May 22 @ 9:04 PM EDT

One thing I’d do over this year? Ugh. I have no idea, lol! There are always so many things! #kinderchat

KndrgartnROX May 22 @ 9:05 PM EDT

I realized I didn't sing to and with my kids as I have in prev. years. I'd definitely change that about this year #kinderchat

St006C May 22 @ 9:05 PM EDT

We're using the Q1/A1 format tonight #kinderchat

KeeneeLou May 22 @ 9:05 PM EDT

I like that teaching is always about "next year" #kinderchat

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St006C May 22 @ 9:06 PM EDT

Q1) What are your top three reasons to consider retention for a student? #kinderchat

CarrieMarshall1 May 22 @ 9:06 PM EDT

Every year there is always something different happening #kinderchat #neverthesameyeartwice

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St006C May 22 @ 9:06 PM EDT

#kinderchat RT Q1

St006C May 22 @ 9:06 PM EDT

Q1) What are your top three reasons to consider retention for a student? #kinderchat

KndrgartnROX May 22 @ 9:06 PM EDT

A1a: academically not ready for 1st #kinderchat

CarrieMarshall1 May 22 @ 9:06 PM EDT

FYI #kinderchat Someone needs to tell the June bugs that it’s only May!!! #theyaresogross

HelmsCarleigh May 22 @ 9:07 PM EDT

Since I just switched my major to elementary ed., the thing I would do differently is change it sooner! I'm loving the classes! #kinderchat

des_maine May 22 @ 9:07 PM EDT

A1- Academic need, social/emotional need, age #kinderchat

KeeneeLou May 22 @ 9:07 PM EDT

A1 Have only had one S retained in over 25 years and that was to access support because of age req'ment #kinderchat

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happycampergirl - Moderator May 22 @ 9:07 PM EDT

A1: Our guideline for retention: significant delays in multiple areas + chronologically young. #Kinderchat

KndrgartnROX May 22 @ 9:07 PM EDT

A1b: developmental needs #kinderchat

lauralisetta May 22 @ 9:07 PM EDT

A1 Age, both social and academic need, parent wishes #kinderchat

Uustinaa May 22 @ 9:07 PM EDT

I usually sing more too since it's so beneficial for Kinders, but b/c of health reasons (vocals&tonsils) I couldn't this yr #kinderchat

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KndrgartnROX May 22 @ 9:07 PM EDT

A1c: attendance #kinderchat

CarrieMarshall1 May 22 @ 9:08 PM EDT

1) socio-emotional needs 2) age 3) academic (since academic is affected most by other 2) #kinderchat

St006C May 22 @ 9:08 PM EDT

A1) Social emotional skills, age, academic skills #kinderchat

katnish16 May 22 @ 9:08 PM EDT

A1: Too immature (even if chronologically old enough), not enough material mastery and if I think of a 3rd, I'll reply again! #kinderchat

CarrieMarshall1 May 22 @ 9:08 PM EDT

We said the same!! #kinderchat #kindertwins

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KndrgartnROX May 22 @ 9:09 PM EDT

oh no! I wish you a full and speedy recovery #kinderchat

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katnish16 May 22 @ 9:09 PM EDT

Ah yes, social emotional skills..... though maybe that falls under my "too immature" #kinderchat

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CarrieMarshall1 May 22 @ 9:10 PM EDT

I’d say yes #kinderchat

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happycampergirl - Moderator May 22 @ 9:10 PM EDT

As an admin, I cannot recommend retention if there is only ONE reason. Child dev is too complex for that. #Kinderchat

dubioseducator May 22 @ 9:10 PM EDT

A1 Retention rarely occurs in kinders. But we looked at emotional/social & ability/interest to engage in the curriculum. #kinderchat

St006C May 22 @ 9:11 PM EDT

are guidelines provided by district? Admin? Govt? #kinderchat

In reply to @happycampergirl

CarrieMarshall1 May 22 @ 9:12 PM EDT

#kinderchat it’s very hard to have a child retained in kindergarten here. There has to be *much* evidence to support the request

HelmsCarleigh May 22 @ 9:12 PM EDT

A1 academic ability, emotional development, social development #kinderchat

katnish16 May 22 @ 9:13 PM EDT

Ooh lucky you. I still have 2 more Mondays.... and yes I'm counting :) #kinderchat

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happycampergirl - Moderator May 22 @ 9:13 PM EDT

I am at a private school, so guidelines are created by leadership team (which includes me). #Kinderchat

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Uustinaa May 22 @ 9:13 PM EDT

A1. In Ontario, this is very rare https://t.co/GogMbduCR4 #kinderchat

St006C May 22 @ 9:13 PM EDT

Even as a kinder T, I am hesitant to recommend. I have to feel that lots of intervention has been tried..#kinderchat

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KeeneeLou May 22 @ 9:13 PM EDT

Same here. Prefer to have two years in Pre-K #kinderchat

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KndrgartnROX May 22 @ 9:14 PM EDT

Lol, I was too! My kids were astonished that I'm just as excited as they are #kinderchat

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CarrieMarshall1 May 22 @ 9:14 PM EDT

I agree. It’s also amazing how much growth happens over the summer months for some of our learners #kinderchat

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dubioseducator May 22 @ 9:14 PM EDT

At times we had very "young" students spend another year in 4s. Dont think there is any best grade for retention. #Kinderchat

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St006C May 22 @ 9:14 PM EDT

A perspective on the Q "Should Ss be held back?" #kinderchat

Uustinaa May 22 @ 9:13 PM EDT

A1. In Ontario, this is very rare https://t.co/GogMbduCR4 #kinderchat

happycampergirl - Moderator May 22 @ 9:14 PM EDT

Amen to this. Delaying K entry + extra pre-K is preferable to repeating K. #Kinderchat

In reply to @KeeneeLou, @CarrieMarshall1

KndrgartnROX May 22 @ 9:15 PM EDT

I'm intrigued. Pre-K retention is almost unheard of here #kinderchat

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St006C May 22 @ 9:15 PM EDT

Q2 coming up in 1 minute #kinderchat

KeeneeLou May 22 @ 9:15 PM EDT

Plus, I think there is only funding for one year in Kinder in our province? Used to be . . . #kinderchat

In reply to @happycampergirl, @CarrieMarshall1

dubioseducator May 22 @ 9:15 PM EDT

Will read later Thank you for link #kinderchat

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St006C May 22 @ 9:16 PM EDT

Q2) Who makes the final decision regarding retention? Dist, Admin, Ps, Ts, etc? #kinderchat

happycampergirl - Moderator May 22 @ 9:16 PM EDT

CORRECT, but is relatively easy to code a child to get funding for repeating. #Kinderchat

In reply to @KeeneeLou, @CarrieMarshall1

CarrieMarshall1 May 22 @ 9:16 PM EDT

Is your pre-k funded by gov’t or parents? So many times economics plays a part in hold outs #kinderchat #politicsofprek

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KeeneeLou May 22 @ 9:17 PM EDT

That has not been my experience at all - #kinderchat

In reply to @happycampergirl, @CarrieMarshall1

lauralisetta May 22 @ 9:17 PM EDT

This seems like it makes sense, but can't think of why. Ideas? #kinderchat

In reply to @happycampergirl, @KeeneeLou, @CarrieMarshall1

CarrieMarshall1 May 22 @ 9:17 PM EDT

#kinderchat A2- schools and parents work together for this, but Dep’t has final say on retention. It’s rare they approve. #kinderchat

des_maine May 22 @ 9:17 PM EDT

A2- Parents: we can suggest and recommend, but ultimately it is their decision #kinderchat

KndrgartnROX May 22 @ 9:17 PM EDT

Gov't. All day Pre-K offered by our pub schools. I've heard it messes up testing later, that's why its not done #kinderchat

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St006C May 22 @ 9:17 PM EDT

Good Q to consider. Who funds pre-k in dist, how does SES affect Ps decisions to send Ss 2 school #kinderchat

CarrieMarshall1 May 22 @ 9:16 PM EDT

Is your pre-k funded by gov’t or parents? So many times economics plays a part in hold outs #kinderchat #politicsofprek
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CarrieMarshall1 May 22 @ 9:18 PM EDT

Ah, that makes sense. #kinderchat

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KndrgartnROX May 22 @ 9:18 PM EDT

A2 Policy says Ts, practice says Ps #kinderchat

Uustinaa May 22 @ 9:18 PM EDT

Q.1 Kinder kids who enter at 3yrs can sometimes b too young & it's too early to tell #kinderchat

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happycampergirl - Moderator May 22 @ 9:18 PM EDT

BAHAHAHAHA. Sorry. "not messing up testing" seems like TERRIBLE reason for decision that affects A CHILD. #Kinderchat

In reply to @KndrgartnROX, @CarrieMarshall1

KeeneeLou May 22 @ 9:18 PM EDT

A2 District and Admins made the decision in my limited experience #kinderchat

In reply to @St006C

CarrieMarshall1 May 22 @ 9:18 PM EDT

PreK is private here, with some subsidies. But mostly it’s an economic issue vs a needs based issue #kinderchat #retention

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happycampergirl - Moderator May 22 @ 9:19 PM EDT

A2: As an admin, I make the recommendation w/tchr input. Parents can also open the convo. #Kinderchat

St006C May 22 @ 9:19 PM EDT

This is my first time moderating #kinderchat Thanks for your engagement with the Qs!

dubioseducator May 22 @ 9:19 PM EDT

We are not a public school so guidelines & decisions made with Ts, Admin & Ps. In put from out of school assessments #Kinderchat

St006C May 22 @ 9:16 PM EDT

Q2) Who makes the final decision regarding retention? Dist, Admin, Ps, Ts, etc? #kinderchat

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happycampergirl - Moderator May 22 @ 9:20 PM EDT

Social stigma is biggest reason, to me. K students KNOW that 1st gr comes next. PreK kids are less in tune w/"how school works" #Kinderchat

In reply to @lauralisetta, @KeeneeLou, @CarrieMarshall1

HelmsCarleigh May 22 @ 9:20 PM EDT

A2 I'm not in a school district since I'm not student teaching yet, but I have only heard of parents making the final decision. #kinderchat

CarrieMarshall1 May 22 @ 9:20 PM EDT

You’re doing great!! #kinderchat

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KeeneeLou May 22 @ 9:20 PM EDT

Agreed! #kinderchat

In reply to @happycampergirl, @lauralisetta, @CarrieMarshall1

St006C May 22 @ 9:21 PM EDT

It's true. #kinderchat #educationforall #classism #wateachlead #teacherfriends

CarrieMarshall1 May 22 @ 9:20 PM EDT

We really should remember that privilege that happens with money #classism #criticalpedagogy #dontmindme #moneyalwaysplaysapart
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CarrieMarshall1 May 22 @ 9:21 PM EDT

All bow to the almighty test scores! #kinderchat #neoliberalism #iamfeelingfiestytonight

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happycampergirl - Moderator May 22 @ 9:21 PM EDT

Is the code difficult to confirm in public system? Am I living in a bubble again? #kinderchat

In reply to @KeeneeLou, @CarrieMarshall1

St006C May 22 @ 9:21 PM EDT

Just wait! there's a Q about this coming up! #kinderchat

In reply to @happycampergirl, @lauralisetta, @KeeneeLou, @CarrieMarshall1

KeeneeLou May 22 @ 9:22 PM EDT

Coding is always a challenge and it does not guarantee support #kinderchat

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happycampergirl - Moderator May 22 @ 9:22 PM EDT

Either parent does, or I do, with teacher input. This is not a convo teachers initiate unless I am there. #kinderchat

In reply to @St006C

KndrgartnROX May 22 @ 9:22 PM EDT

Well, we're also dealing with a mandatory 3rd grade retention law in our state, so... #kinderchat

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dubioseducator May 22 @ 9:22 PM EDT

And the stigma or concern for this also comes from Ps. Feelings of what went wrong/did wrong/wrong with my kid #Kinderchat

In reply to @KeeneeLou, @happycampergirl, @lauralisetta, @CarrieMarshall1

St006C May 22 @ 9:23 PM EDT

huh...mandadtory retention...based on what? A test score? #kinderchat

In reply to @KndrgartnROX, @CarrieMarshall1, @happycampergirl

CarrieMarshall1 May 22 @ 9:23 PM EDT

#kinderchat my 82 year old father still talks about how he “failed” kindergarten. That is wrong!!

KndrgartnROX May 22 @ 9:23 PM EDT

YUP #kinderchat

In reply to @St006C, @CarrieMarshall1, @happycampergirl

KeeneeLou May 22 @ 9:23 PM EDT

That is unfortunate on so many levels. #kinderchat

In reply to @KndrgartnROX, @St006C, @CarrieMarshall1, @happycampergirl

CarrieMarshall1 May 22 @ 9:24 PM EDT

My thoughts exactly #kinderchat

In reply to @KeeneeLou, @KndrgartnROX, @St006C, @happycampergirl

Uustinaa May 22 @ 9:24 PM EDT

What do you mean by "coding"? #kinderchat

In reply to @KeeneeLou, @happycampergirl, @CarrieMarshall1

CarrieMarshall1 May 22 @ 9:24 PM EDT

Most things around the word “choice” in relation to education aren’t the “choice” we pretend they are wink wink #kinderchat

In reply to @lauralisetta, @St006C

KndrgartnROX May 22 @ 9:25 PM EDT

Yes, there is quite a push to get it off the books. #kinderchat

In reply to @KeeneeLou, @St006C, @CarrieMarshall1, @happycampergirl

happycampergirl - Moderator May 22 @ 9:25 PM EDT

To get funding for a second yr of K, AB students need a code in their file, indicating a delay or disability. #Kinderchat

In reply to @Uustinaa, @KeeneeLou, @CarrieMarshall1

KC_SEASportsFan May 22 @ 9:25 PM EDT

A2: This one is difficult. I say it should be a collaboration between Ts, Ps, admin at least. #KinderChat

St006C May 22 @ 9:26 PM EDT

Q3) What stereotypes are associated with retention? (+/-) #kinderchat

spiraledu May 22 @ 9:26 PM EDT

I don't get it! Kindergarten is only mandatory in 8 states, how can you fail if some students don't even have to go!?!? #kinderchat

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CarrieMarshall1 May 22 @ 9:26 PM EDT

A3 #kinderchat one goes back to what I tweeted a few min ago- my 82 yr old father still talks about “failing” kindergarten.

happycampergirl - Moderator May 22 @ 9:27 PM EDT

A3: In my setting, repeating at parent request can indicate parent's desire to "stack the odds" in child's favour. #Kinderchat

In reply to @St006C

Uustinaa May 22 @ 9:27 PM EDT

Ohh I see, thank you #kinderchat

In reply to @happycampergirl, @KeeneeLou, @CarrieMarshall1

CarrieMarshall1 May 22 @ 9:27 PM EDT

Is it only 8 states? Interesting #kinderchat

In reply to @spiraledu

KeeneeLou May 22 @ 9:27 PM EDT

A3 I think it often speaks to a Ss intellectual ability instead of developmental level #kinderchat

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KndrgartnROX May 22 @ 9:28 PM EDT

A3 Behavior issues, immaturity, difficult parents or family life. Part of the reason I don't want to know about my kids' past #kinderchat

katnish16 May 22 @ 9:28 PM EDT

A3: (+) the gift of time, (-) that something is "wrong" with the child #kinderchat

CarrieMarshall1 May 22 @ 9:28 PM EDT

It was 70 some odd years ago for my dad. But the message he got was that he failed Kindergarten. That’s the message we send #kinderchat

In reply to @spiraledu

KeeneeLou May 22 @ 9:29 PM EDT

And that is wrong, wrong, wrong! #kinderchat

In reply to @CarrieMarshall1, @spiraledu

dubioseducator May 22 @ 9:29 PM EDT

A3 the stigma of not being able to "make the grade" so sad #kinderchat

happycampergirl - Moderator May 22 @ 9:29 PM EDT

A3: I think any neg stigma is also reflective of how it is messaged to child. #Kinderchat

KeeneeLou May 22 @ 9:29 PM EDT

That is very interesting, too! #kinderchat

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mr_swingle May 22 @ 9:29 PM EDT

A2 the decision is totally up the Ps here. I just give my perspective/recommendation. #kinderchat

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HelmsCarleigh May 22 @ 9:30 PM EDT

A3 I think some kids get bullied for it, which is really sad since it doesn't make the kid less than the others. #kinderchat

lauralisetta May 22 @ 9:30 PM EDT

A3 + More prepared/higher success in later grades. The 2 Ss in my experience who have repeated K had this experience! #kinderchat

des_maine May 22 @ 9:30 PM EDT

A3- + extra time to learn and grow! - seeing all their friends move up is hard #kinderchat

Uustinaa May 22 @ 9:31 PM EDT

A3. (+) more time to developmentally "catch up;" (-) social stigma #Kinderchat

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spiraledu May 22 @ 9:31 PM EDT

In Alaska, a lot of students start in 1st grade so the 1st grade teacher deals with a huge range! #kinderchat they review ABC/sight words

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St006C May 22 @ 9:31 PM EDT

That's why when retention is recommended, I think it's so impt 2 frame it in what Ss will gain! #kinderchat

In reply to @KeeneeLou, @CarrieMarshall1, @spiraledu

CarrieMarshall1 May 22 @ 9:31 PM EDT

I’m telling ya, I’m feeling feisty! Lol! #kinderchat

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lauralisetta May 22 @ 9:31 PM EDT

A3b) - Feelings of failure for Ss/Parents, Negative social impact, only focusing on one part of the child #kinderchat

KndrgartnROX May 22 @ 9:32 PM EDT

A3 a more + kinder experience the 2nd time, higher rates of success #kinderchat

CarrieMarshall1 May 22 @ 9:32 PM EDT

I would imagine most parents in other jurisdictions would assume K was mandatory? I know I would have #kinderchat #interesting

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KeeneeLou May 22 @ 9:32 PM EDT

K is not a mandatory program here in our province and it is a minimum 475 hours per year #kinderchat

In reply to @CarrieMarshall1, @spiraledu, @St006C

mr_swingle May 22 @ 9:33 PM EDT

A3 for some Ss retention boosts confidence and crushes it for others, such a delicate balance. Ss opinion should be considered #KinderChat

happycampergirl - Moderator May 22 @ 9:33 PM EDT

It's similar to the redshirting thing - in highly privileged populations, many parents are competitive & look for advantages. #kinderchat

In reply to @St006C

dubioseducator May 22 @ 9:33 PM EDT

So important to get parent buy in! Gives Sts confidence that they are able & competent but need more time before moving on. #Kinderchat

In reply to @St006C, @KeeneeLou, @CarrieMarshall1, @spiraledu

CarrieMarshall1 May 22 @ 9:33 PM EDT

Before K entered the school system here, that’s what our gr 1 teachers faced. Now it’s mandatory, but parents can hold out year #kinderchat

In reply to @spiraledu, @St006C

katnish16 May 22 @ 9:34 PM EDT

Negative social impact--- I wonder if the impact differs between small and large schools. I'd think so. #kinderchat

In reply to @lauralisetta

St006C May 22 @ 9:35 PM EDT

Hey! There's another #kinderchat Q in one minute!! Let's keep this convo going! :)

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spiraledu May 22 @ 9:35 PM EDT

We had one mom on cut-off date push to have son in so she wouldn't have to pay daycare. Said she was ok if he was retained 🙄#kinderchat

In reply to @CarrieMarshall1, @St006C

St006C May 22 @ 9:36 PM EDT

Q4) How do these stereotypes affect conversations around retention? #kinderchat

Uustinaa May 22 @ 9:36 PM EDT

In Ontario, K is not mandatory, but children r required to attend school once they turn 6yrs old #kinderchat

In reply to @KeeneeLou, @CarrieMarshall1, @spiraledu, @St006C

KeeneeLou May 22 @ 9:36 PM EDT

Same here in Alberta! #kinderchat

In reply to @Uustinaa, @CarrieMarshall1, @spiraledu, @St006C

HelmsCarleigh May 22 @ 9:36 PM EDT

A3 I would have to agree that one positive is that it can give the child time to grow more! #kinderchat

KeeneeLou May 22 @ 9:37 PM EDT

I think there is a lot of research that shows how retention is NOT beneficial #notjusttalk #kinderchat

In reply to @St006C

CarrieMarshall1 May 22 @ 9:37 PM EDT

A4: conversation would have to be very carefully worded. #kinderchat

KndrgartnROX May 22 @ 9:37 PM EDT

A4 Some Ps think something is "wrong" w/ their kid, or that their kid isn't smart #kinderchat

lauralisetta May 22 @ 9:37 PM EDT

True! 1 sweetheart I had 2 years ago in private school K did a 2nd year of K in public school and her confidence bloomed. #kinderchat A3

mr_swingle May 22 @ 9:33 PM EDT

A3 for some Ss retention boosts confidence and crushes it for others, such a delicate balance. Ss opinion should be considered #KinderChat

HelmsCarleigh May 22 @ 9:38 PM EDT

A4 I think it can impact a parent's decision because they don't want the negative stereotypes on their child. #kinderchat

dubioseducator May 22 @ 9:38 PM EDT

A4 We all walk on egg shells & forget our role 2do what's best 4kinder. Mistakes may be made but not because of rash decisions #kinderchat

KndrgartnROX May 22 @ 9:38 PM EDT

A4 It's a very delicate convo to help Ps understand that we are all looking out for the best interest of the child #kinderchat

CarrieMarshall1 May 22 @ 9:38 PM EDT

I would probably have done the same, as a parent #kinderchat

In reply to @KC_SEASportsFan

KndrgartnROX May 22 @ 9:39 PM EDT

regardless of stereotypes #kinderchat

CarrieMarshall1 May 22 @ 9:39 PM EDT

#kinderchat I’d still rather see a child hold out from K a year rather than retain them once they start school #

happycampergirl - Moderator May 22 @ 9:39 PM EDT

This is why we do not retain after K. The rsrch is clear. #Kinderchat

KeeneeLou May 22 @ 9:37 PM EDT

I think there is a lot of research that shows how retention is NOT beneficial #notjusttalk #kinderchat
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des_maine May 22 @ 9:40 PM EDT

A4- the conversation needs to be done delicately and by expressing the positives for the future! #kinderchat

mr_swingle May 22 @ 9:40 PM EDT

However, if I understand correctly it is also most beneficial in #Kindergarten #Kinderchat

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lauralisetta May 22 @ 9:40 PM EDT

I've never looked at the research. Anyone know of anything focused JUST on K retention? #curious #kinderchat

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happycampergirl - Moderator May 22 @ 9:40 PM EDT

Yes, the rsrch is clear that if retention must be considered, earlier is better than later. #Kinderchat

In reply to @mr_swingle, @KeeneeLou, @St006C

KndrgartnROX May 22 @ 9:41 PM EDT

Most I've seen focuses on 3rd and up. I'd love to see more on the EC perspective #kinderchat

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St006C May 22 @ 9:41 PM EDT

Excellent Q! If you have research/articles on K retention, share them here & tag #kinderchat

lauralisetta May 22 @ 9:40 PM EDT

I've never looked at the research. Anyone know of anything focused JUST on K retention? #curious #kinderchat
In reply to @KeeneeLou, @St006C

KeeneeLou May 22 @ 9:41 PM EDT

I still vote for Pre K - my one and only retained kid is super tall in G8 #toughdecision #kinderchat

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spiraledu May 22 @ 9:42 PM EDT

I'd love a system of more support in 1st grade... #kinderchat Still an advocate for let them play in K!

In reply to @happycampergirl

KndrgartnROX May 22 @ 9:42 PM EDT

Amen to that! #kinderchat

In reply to @spiraledu, @happycampergirl

St006C May 22 @ 9:43 PM EDT

I retain (after A LOT of intervention and thinking) for this very reason. Play can support many types of learning later on. #kinderchat

In reply to @KeeneeLou, @CarrieMarshall1

CarrieMarshall1 May 22 @ 9:43 PM EDT

I struggled putting my youngest in school, and he’s a Sept b-day. I didn’t feel comfortable about it until he was in HS #kinderchat

In reply to @KeeneeLou

happycampergirl - Moderator May 22 @ 9:43 PM EDT

This fall, I had an interesting convo w/our learning strategist, about how physical size IS relevant to the decision. #Kinderchat

In reply to @KeeneeLou, @CarrieMarshall1

KeeneeLou May 22 @ 9:43 PM EDT

So many factors to consider, no? #kinderchat

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St006C May 22 @ 9:44 PM EDT

This was one factor I considered this year for my recommendation. #kinderchat

In reply to @happycampergirl, @KeeneeLou, @CarrieMarshall1

HelmsCarleigh May 22 @ 9:44 PM EDT

This article I found talks a little bit about some research they did on kids held back in kindergarten. #kinderchat https://t.co/a0496cYbil

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KeeneeLou May 22 @ 9:44 PM EDT

https://t.co/5u9wtUQB2U #kinderchat

In reply to @St006C

Uustinaa May 22 @ 9:44 PM EDT

I think it depends on the context of research...looks like there is limited longitudinal data for K retention #kinderchat

In reply to @lauralisetta, @KeeneeLou, @St006C

lauralisetta May 22 @ 9:45 PM EDT

A4 Ps, Ss, Ts, and Admin might all have different "gut feelings" in the conversation. Find out what they are. #kinderchat

CarrieMarshall1 May 22 @ 9:45 PM EDT

New kindergarten research project #kinderchat The effects of retaining a child in kindergarten pros and cons!

St006C May 22 @ 9:45 PM EDT

If you google Light's Retention Scale, here is what you get https://t.co/JoXR9EkVFl #kinderchat

St006C May 22 @ 9:46 PM EDT

Q5) What advice/tips do you have for have Ts who are having a conversation about retention with parents? #kinderchat

St006C May 22 @ 9:46 PM EDT

And just like that Q 6 is here! #kinderchat

katnish16 May 22 @ 9:46 PM EDT

My bro did K twice because of July bd: first play-based, then more academic. Mom jokes he'd still be in K if it were up to her #Kinderchat

In reply to @CarrieMarshall1, @KeeneeLou

happycampergirl - Moderator May 22 @ 9:46 PM EDT

It was fascinating - many of the same factors to consider for retention as for skipping a grade! #kinderchat

In reply to @KeeneeLou, @CarrieMarshall1

St006C May 22 @ 9:46 PM EDT

Er, um Q 5!! #kinderchat

St006C May 22 @ 9:46 PM EDT

And just like that Q 6 is here! #kinderchat

KndrgartnROX May 22 @ 9:47 PM EDT

A5 Reflect. The reflect again. Is it really in the best interests of the child? #kinderchat

CarrieMarshall1 May 22 @ 9:47 PM EDT

I was offered to let my daughter skip gr. 1 (long story). I refused based on how old she’d be when she graduated HS- 16 #kinderchat

In reply to @happycampergirl, @KeeneeLou

mr_swingle May 22 @ 9:47 PM EDT

When considering retention, I always fill this out and have Ps do it as well. #kinderchat

In reply to @St006C

dubioseducator May 22 @ 9:47 PM EDT

A5 Convo had with Admin first. The ball gets rolling w/them.Ts meet w/all involved later in discussion #Kinderchat

KeeneeLou May 22 @ 9:48 PM EDT

This is my answer too, guys, because I am not sold on the idea. #kinderchat

KndrgartnROX May 22 @ 9:47 PM EDT

A5 Reflect. The reflect again. Is it really in the best interests of the child? #kinderchat

des_maine May 22 @ 9:48 PM EDT

A5- Be honest, be caring (as this can be difficult), be positive, have the child's best interest at heart! #kinderchat

Uustinaa May 22 @ 9:49 PM EDT

Researchers: Okpala (2007); Goldstein, Eastwood, & Behuniak (2014); Dong (2006) #kinderchat

In reply to @St006C

St006C May 22 @ 9:49 PM EDT

I like it b/c it helps me understand my recommendation. I analyze this decision over and over to myself b4 making rec #kinderchat

In reply to @des_maine

happycampergirl - Moderator May 22 @ 9:49 PM EDT

If a child is struggling to learn K concepts, then retention needs to ensure concepts are taught in NEW WAY in 2nd yr of K. #Kinderchat

St006C May 22 @ 9:49 PM EDT

Do you have a link? #kinderchat

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happycampergirl - Moderator May 22 @ 9:49 PM EDT

Sitting through the exact same curric 2x is not an effective way to address learning concerns. #Kinderchat

St006C May 22 @ 9:50 PM EDT

I always suggest Ss have different T for this reason #kinderchat

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dubioseducator May 22 @ 9:50 PM EDT

It's interesting since we often talk about meeting Ks where they're at:coming into kinder & then they're not ready for 1st Why! #kinderchat

In reply to @KeeneeLou

St006C May 22 @ 9:50 PM EDT

Yep. Spot on #kinderchat

happycampergirl - Moderator May 22 @ 9:49 PM EDT

Sitting through the exact same curric 2x is not an effective way to address learning concerns. #Kinderchat

happycampergirl - Moderator May 22 @ 9:50 PM EDT

You have to be able to specifically describe how a K setting will better meet child's needs than 1st w/support. #Kinderchat

katnish16 May 22 @ 9:51 PM EDT

I agree a different T would be good...but what if there's only one T per grade level? #kinderchat

In reply to @St006C, @happycampergirl

KeeneeLou May 22 @ 9:51 PM EDT

Sometimes a different school, too. #kinderchat

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KndrgartnROX May 22 @ 9:51 PM EDT

along that same thought, would you recommend the same teacher or a different one for the child? #kinderchat

In reply to @happycampergirl

dubioseducator May 22 @ 9:51 PM EDT

Yes that's was the way we did it when I taught kinders #kinderchat A new face different room

In reply to @St006C, @happycampergirl

St006C May 22 @ 9:51 PM EDT

Collaboration and engage w/ PLN w/in dist or lik Twitter to ensure diff approaches r being used #kinderchat

In reply to @katnish16, @happycampergirl

spiraledu May 22 @ 9:52 PM EDT

Address how to meet social needs: maybe they can still have lunch/recess/specials? with old classmates #kinderchat

In reply to @St006C

happycampergirl - Moderator May 22 @ 9:52 PM EDT

I have kept all my "repeaters" for 2 yrs, for social-emotional continuity. #Kinderchat

In reply to @katnish16, @St006C

KndrgartnROX May 22 @ 9:52 PM EDT

I've done the same for the same reason #kinderchat

In reply to @happycampergirl, @katnish16, @St006C

happycampergirl - Moderator May 22 @ 9:52 PM EDT

Every case is different. Depends on reasons for repeating. #Kinderchat

In reply to @KndrgartnROX

katnish16 May 22 @ 9:53 PM EDT

A5) Be honest and real, but be gentle. #kinderchat

St006C May 22 @ 9:53 PM EDT

happened 2 me this yr. Ss started so far below standard. progress was measurable but just not at the pace of expected growth. #kinderchat

In reply to @dubioseducator, @happycampergirl, @KeeneeLou

CarrieMarshall1 May 22 @ 9:54 PM EDT

Our province practices “reach back” so students going into next grade not meeting outcomes will have support to meet them #kinderchat 1/2

happycampergirl - Moderator May 22 @ 9:54 PM EDT

All of my students who repeated have had significant anxiety issues, so staying with me helped remove a lot of pressure & fear. #kinderchat

In reply to @St006C, @katnish16

St006C May 22 @ 9:54 PM EDT

A5) Focus on the benefits, have a relationship w/ P b4 this recommendation #kinderchat

CarrieMarshall1 May 22 @ 9:54 PM EDT

#kinderchat 2/2 thus doing away with the idea of retention in theory. Still might happen though

Uustinaa May 22 @ 9:55 PM EDT

Here are 4 recent American journal articles https://t.co/es42pJHGgd #kinderchat

In reply to @St006C

KndrgartnROX May 22 @ 9:55 PM EDT

What do you mean by "reach back"? I've had Ss sent back...I was NOT a fan of it #kinderchat

In reply to @CarrieMarshall1

St006C May 22 @ 9:55 PM EDT

This resonates with me so much right now. #kinderchat

In reply to @happycampergirl, @katnish16

happycampergirl - Moderator May 22 @ 9:55 PM EDT

And when I say "all" of my students who repeated, I mean 3. #kinderchat

St006C May 22 @ 9:56 PM EDT

Q6) What Qs do you want Ps to ask if their child's T recommends retention? #kinderchat

katnish16 May 22 @ 9:56 PM EDT

Yes. Ps don't want to be surprised. Don't let concerns wait until this point in the year. #Kinderchat

In reply to @St006C

lauralisetta May 22 @ 9:56 PM EDT

A5 I appreciate the thoughts about having specific conversations w/ Ps that address their thoughts. Start w/ where they're at. #kinderchat

HelmsCarleigh May 22 @ 9:56 PM EDT

1/2 I think emotional/social would be a good reason to retain a child, simply because I did struggle emotionally as a child. #Kinderchat

CarrieMarshall1 May 22 @ 9:57 PM EDT

We have learning plans for those who haven’t met outcomes Tr in next grade knows what outcomes not met & works w/S to help them #Kinderchat

In reply to @KndrgartnROX

happycampergirl - Moderator May 22 @ 9:57 PM EDT

You have to spend the whole yr demonstrating that you see the good in a child, to have any cred when suggesting retention. #Kinderchat

HelmsCarleigh May 22 @ 9:57 PM EDT

2/2 if I had not gotten emotionally better as my k year went on, I wouldn't have been ready for first grade. #Kinderchat

CarrieMarshall1 May 22 @ 9:57 PM EDT

So they’re not sent back, but Tr uses small groups and 1/1 time to give them support they need to reach outcomes #kinderchat

In reply to @KndrgartnROX

KeeneeLou May 22 @ 9:58 PM EDT

It is a very unusual event, I think. #kinderchat

In reply to @happycampergirl

St006C May 22 @ 9:58 PM EDT

So sorry! I forgot to RT Qs for those who don't follow me! OOPS!! I'm learning! :) #kinderchat

St006C May 22 @ 9:56 PM EDT

Q6) What Qs do you want Ps to ask if their child's T recommends retention? #kinderchat

dubioseducator May 22 @ 9:58 PM EDT

Have to run. Great topic. Thanks, Courtney @St006C #kinderchat

happycampergirl - Moderator May 22 @ 9:58 PM EDT

Sorry, I have a lot of "you have to" s tonight. Not usually so bossy! #Kinderchat

KndrgartnROX May 22 @ 9:59 PM EDT

A6 Specific reasons for the recommendation. What areas need support? How much support? #kinderchat

happycampergirl - Moderator May 22 @ 9:59 PM EDT

It is, and always should be. If repeating is common, there is a prob w/curric expectations in K and 1st. #Kinderchat

In reply to @KeeneeLou

CarrieMarshall1 May 22 @ 9:59 PM EDT

Good night #kinderchat Have a great week! Great topic and great job Courtney!

lauralisetta May 22 @ 9:59 PM EDT

A6 Ask for the plan and an explanation of the purpose. I've had more Ps bring up the convo, though. #kinderchat