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A_Weatherall - Moderator Mar 7 @ 3:04 PM EST

Wondering if anyone's going to answer @agittner's #asechat Questions. :)

agittner Mar 7 @ 3:04 PM EST

Good evening everyone participating in #ASEchat, any preferences from my three options?

snapshotscience Mar 7 @ 3:06 PM EST

@agittner #ASEchat I would like to talk about mastery in science

gregtheseal Mar 7 @ 3:06 PM EST

@agittner good evening Start with no. 1? #asechat Can you elaborate what you mean with mastery?

agittner Mar 7 @ 3:07 PM EST

Well for want of something better to, lets start at the very beginning with mastery. #ASEchat. How do we promote mastery in science?

SciKathryn Mar 7 @ 3:08 PM EST

@agittner I'd be interested in mastery most, but wouldn't mind hearing how folk are doing without levels either! #asechat

dave2004b Mar 7 @ 3:09 PM EST

How about as a starting point mastery is the ability to apply knowledge and understanding to novel contexts #asechat

snapshotscience Mar 7 @ 3:09 PM EST

@gregtheseal @agittner #asechat For me it means making sure all students grasp the key ideas in a topic

agittner Mar 7 @ 3:09 PM EST

Anyone care to argue against the case for using this as the areas to master #ASEchat? https://t.co/uEnPcrDSBl

snapshotscience Mar 7 @ 3:10 PM EST

@dave2004b #asechat yes! Being able to transfer knowledge is great evidence of mastery

agittner Mar 7 @ 3:11 PM EST

@snapshotscience @gregtheseal What do we do with those who we suspect haven't reached mastery when the rest of the class has? #ASEchat

Mr_Gillett Mar 7 @ 3:12 PM EST

We use mastery as an alternative to lessons. By mastery-identify and focus on key skills. Interested in others approaches #asechat

agittner Mar 7 @ 3:13 PM EST

@Mr_Gillett are those science specific skills? #ASEchat

Tracy_Tyrrell Mar 7 @ 3:13 PM EST

@agittner flexible planning, not move to next lesson regardless, more activities to hand to repeat or reinforce if needed #asechat

gregtheseal Mar 7 @ 3:13 PM EST

@agittner @snapshotscience is this where homework comes in or just move on and hope they get it next time you come back to the idea #asechat

agittner Mar 7 @ 3:14 PM EST

@Tracy_Tyrrell how long do you stall #ASEchat #nooneleftbehind ?

NeedhamL56 - Moderator Mar 7 @ 3:14 PM EST

It's #globalsolo now from @jonboarduk at the #scienceshare Teachmeet great for planning for progression #asechat

snapshotscience Mar 7 @ 3:14 PM EST

@agittner @gregtheseal #ASEchat you need to give them alternative ways of understanding the ideas, the ones who get it have an extend task

karicob Mar 7 @ 3:14 PM EST

@GetAlma @snapshotscience how do you know students grasp the key ideas or further more can transfer that knowledge beyond the class #asechat

tonysherborne Mar 7 @ 3:14 PM EST

@agittner #ASEchat Defn of mastery? Understanding of the fundamental ideas. Understand means accurate model in the head & ability to use it.

agittner Mar 7 @ 3:15 PM EST

@gregtheseal @snapshotscience Homework is good, though weaker students (who don't get it in class) are often the worst at homework #ASEchat

dave2004b Mar 7 @ 3:15 PM EST

One of the advantages of the linear specs is time to spiral back to key concepts over the 2/3 years. #asechat

Tracy_Tyrrell Mar 7 @ 3:15 PM EST

@agittner majority of class. ..until percentagesat dictated by above! #asechat

agittner Mar 7 @ 3:15 PM EST

@karicob @GetAlma @snapshotscience good questions, how do we know? #ASEchat

snapshotscience Mar 7 @ 3:16 PM EST

@gregtheseal @agittner #asechat a spiral curriculum is important to give students time to revisit ideas & build more complex understanding

dave2004b Mar 7 @ 3:16 PM EST

Of course this assumes good tracking over the course to remind us when key concepts come up again who will need the extra support #asechat

Tracy_Tyrrell Mar 7 @ 3:16 PM EST

@karicob @GetAlma @snapshotscience lots of AfL! #asechat

agittner Mar 7 @ 3:17 PM EST

@dave2004b does a spiral curriculum promote true mastery? #ASEchat

A_Weatherall - Moderator Mar 7 @ 3:17 PM EST

@snapshotscience @gregtheseal @agittner can design SOW to spirial round #asechat

ViciaScience Mar 7 @ 3:17 PM EST

@A_Weatherall teachers life was never easy #ASEChat

Mr_Gillett Mar 7 @ 3:18 PM EST

@agittner yes-9 science specific skills we got from gcse audit. Not oerfect but working quite well! #asechat

snapshotscience Mar 7 @ 3:18 PM EST

@agittner @GetAlma @karicob #ASEchat assessment, & lots of it! Short quizzes 2 check understanding of simple ideas, more in depth 4 applying

tonysherborne Mar 7 @ 3:19 PM EST

@agittner #ASEchat Mastery - a system to answer 4 Q's: What outcomes do u want? How will u know? What will you do if they do/ don't get it?

agittner Mar 7 @ 3:19 PM EST

@snapshotscience @gregtheseal I get that, but isn't there a possbili to move on without anyone getting it. #ASEchat

snapshotscience Mar 7 @ 3:19 PM EST

@agittner @GetAlma @karicob #ASEchat plus assessment can be used at the start of lesson to inform the tasks students do

rhymingchemist Mar 7 @ 3:20 PM EST

@snapshotscience @gregtheseal @agittner #asechat 1/2 what experience have people had with video? Could record lessons to such again....

snapshotscience Mar 7 @ 3:21 PM EST

@agittner @gregtheseal #ASEchat Not every student will get everything 1st time round. Spiral curriculum helps...

rhymingchemist Mar 7 @ 3:21 PM EST

2/2 @snapshotscience @gregtheseal @agittner #asechat or assign videos to watch with a note taking element to the activity

dave2004b Mar 7 @ 3:22 PM EST

@RoySocChem are looking are core chemistry concepts at the moment https://t.co/hmQaYDPF3j #asechat

snapshotscience Mar 7 @ 3:22 PM EST

@agittner @gregtheseal #ASEchat... Plus no reason why student can't decide to do assessment later when they feel they are ready

dave2004b Mar 7 @ 3:23 PM EST

.@agittner I think if a curriculum is built from core concepts then yes we can promote mastery over time #asechat

agittner Mar 7 @ 3:23 PM EST

So we have some ideas on mastery, people suggesting spiral curriculum to help #ASEchat

agittner Mar 7 @ 3:24 PM EST

Any topics that a student MUST have before they attempt another? #ASEchat

karicob Mar 7 @ 3:24 PM EST

@A_Weatherall can you clarify what SOW is? I'm new to this and maybe it's an acronym I should know and @tracy_tyrell AFL? #Rookie #asechat

snapshotscience Mar 7 @ 3:24 PM EST

Has everyone seen the AQA Ks3 science syllabus? Great if you are interested in the mastery approach #ASEChat

agittner Mar 7 @ 3:25 PM EST

@snapshotscience @gregtheseal like the idea, what happens when the choose not to do the assessment #ASEchat

SteveTeachPhys Mar 7 @ 3:26 PM EST

@snapshotscience @agittner @gregtheseal did I misunderstanding? I thought mastery was not moving on until everyone got it? #asechat

agittner Mar 7 @ 3:26 PM EST

@A_Weatherall before what #ASEchat, or do you mean mastering waves before tackling EM spectrum

snapshotscience Mar 7 @ 3:26 PM EST

@agittner @gregtheseal #ASEchat well, yes, this demands students to want to improve and master science but could this could be motivating?

agittner Mar 7 @ 3:27 PM EST

@SteveTeachPhys @snapshotscience @gregtheseal thats certainly my view, hence why I asked whether spiral curriculum is the answer #asechat

dave2004b Mar 7 @ 3:27 PM EST

Not so much MUST have but rather appreciate the particle model / transfer of energy / electrostatics as a good basis #asechat @agittner

A_Weatherall - Moderator Mar 7 @ 3:27 PM EST

@agittner EM spectrum needs building almost like it was discovered. #asechat

snapshotscience Mar 7 @ 3:28 PM EST

@dave2004b #asechat why not over 5 years and start GCSE in year 7?

agittner Mar 7 @ 3:29 PM EST

Any more tips on deciding whether they have actually mastered it? I like the sort of hinge questions from @MaryUYSEG #ASEchat

agittner Mar 7 @ 3:30 PM EST

Any biology concepts that must be mastered before GCSE, or what do we need KS2 to master before joinging KS3?#ASEchat

dave2004b Mar 7 @ 3:30 PM EST

.@snapshotscience I agree that having the strands running through KS3&4 is a good idea. KS3 can be more than just GCSE prep though #asechat

SteveTeachPhys Mar 7 @ 3:31 PM EST

@agittner @snapshotscience @gregtheseal time spent spiralling is time that could be spent mastering once. No? #asechat

gregtheseal Mar 7 @ 3:31 PM EST

@agittner #asechat cells and everything in them

snapshotscience Mar 7 @ 3:31 PM EST

@agittner @MaryUYSEG #ASEchat Choose questions very carefully. aqa syllabus has lots of statements to test ability to apply & extend

A_Weatherall - Moderator Mar 7 @ 3:31 PM EST

@agittner I'm not thinking about this properly - half listening :) I'm bowing out - too many plates :) have fun. #asechat

agittner Mar 7 @ 3:33 PM EST

Lots of questions out there and here's one more; coping with differentiation in mixed KS3 classes, what to do with the most able? #ASEchat

snapshotscience Mar 7 @ 3:33 PM EST

@SteveTeachPhys @agittner @gregtheseal #asechat I'm not suggesting repeating the same ideas, just building on them

snapshotscience Mar 7 @ 3:35 PM EST

@dave2004b #asechat isn't this what KS3 is for now there are no sats? A 5 year course rather than 2/3 will stop repetition...

gregtheseal Mar 7 @ 3:35 PM EST

@agittner Not a fan of mixed ability teaching, inevitably someone loses out. #asechat

Tracy_Tyrrell Mar 7 @ 3:35 PM EST

@SteveTeachPhys @agittner @snapshotscience @gregtheseal There'll still be chn who won't master - govt cannot expect 100% mastery #asechat

Mallrat_uk Mar 7 @ 3:36 PM EST

If we are to achieve mastery how do we also have consistency across dept- data analysis- teaching schedules etc -completing content #ASEchat

A_Weatherall - Moderator Mar 7 @ 3:36 PM EST

@snapshotscience @SteveTeachPhys @agittner @gregtheseal unwraps this baby again #asechat https://t.co/SxpV7GlVOy

snapshotscience Mar 7 @ 3:36 PM EST

@dave2004b #asechat... Freeing up time for proper revision in yr 11 plus time for building in engagement

agittner Mar 7 @ 3:36 PM EST

@Tracy_Tyrrell @SteveTeachPhys @snapshotscience @gregtheseal no one left behind?? #ASEchat

SteveTeachPhys Mar 7 @ 3:36 PM EST

@snapshotscience @agittner @gregtheseal we repeat and extend in the next key stage. #asechat

dave2004b Mar 7 @ 3:36 PM EST

.@steveteachphys #asechat the spiralling builds on the key concept - atomic structure is a nice example - use the simplest model 1/2

Mallrat_uk Mar 7 @ 3:37 PM EST

@gregtheseal @agittner surely even in set classes there is a variety of abilities- top sets will still have high flyers- #asechat

dave2004b Mar 7 @ 3:37 PM EST

..2/2 then build up - useful for teaching HSW as well, how scientists can use the simplest model that works #asechat

Tracy_Tyrrell Mar 7 @ 3:37 PM EST

@agittner @SteveTeachPhys @snapshotscience @gregtheseal Impossible! #asechat

karicob Mar 7 @ 3:39 PM EST

@snapshotscience can you tell me more about the aqa syllabus. #asechat

agittner Mar 7 @ 3:39 PM EST

@Mallrat_uk very true, not sure absolute consistency needed (in terms of how things are taught) though agree with rest #ASEchat

agittner Mar 7 @ 3:40 PM EST

Anyone linking mastery into my second choice of topic, life without levels? #ASEchat

SteveTeachPhys Mar 7 @ 3:40 PM EST

@Tracy_Tyrrell @agittner @snapshotscience @gregtheseal that's where mastery falls down, or should I have more belief? #asechat

tonysherborne Mar 7 @ 3:40 PM EST

I'd go for both: mastery + spiralling. Master construct each topic, spiral by deepening construct each time #asechat

karicob Mar 7 @ 3:44 PM EST

@gregtheseal , what do you mean someone loses out? Isn't it a "win win" if they get to learn at their level and pace? #asechat

Tracy_Tyrrell Mar 7 @ 3:45 PM EST

@SteveTeachPhys @agittner @snapshotscience @gregtheseal 95%=better than past-QCA based plans followed to the letter, no flexibility #asechat

agittner Mar 7 @ 3:45 PM EST

I have a slight worry that pushing for mastery for everyone too far in KS3 results in losing the more able as they #ASEchat

dave2004b Mar 7 @ 3:46 PM EST

.@snapshotscience outline planning helps minimise repetition. Revision is useful in and of itself to embed learning in all years #asechat

SteveTeachPhys Mar 7 @ 3:46 PM EST

@dave2004b when I taught a maths spiral curric - spend a week, do it again a year later - the kids remembered nothing. I'm scarred #asechat

tonysherborne Mar 7 @ 3:47 PM EST

@SteveTeachPhys #asechat Classic Mastery: give students 2 attempts - teach, test, reteach, move on. With ICT you can now do more.

dave2004b Mar 7 @ 3:48 PM EST

.@SteveTeachPhys this sounds like a very finely divided curriculum - how big were topics if you can teach in 1 week? #asechat

tonysherborne Mar 7 @ 3:49 PM EST

@karicob @snapshotscience #asechat The aqa syllabus is mastery friendly by defining understanding in detail. https://t.co/WOPXFoxbkG

dave2004b Mar 7 @ 3:51 PM EST

.@tonysherborne The quality of some of the videos on youtube now makes this much easier e.g. https://t.co/3hnTn5NWvQ #asechat

agittner Mar 7 @ 3:51 PM EST

We're looking at using the idea of "mastery" as one of our steps in our assessment without levels #ASechat

agittner Mar 7 @ 3:53 PM EST

Anyone using peer teaching to demonstrate mastery? #ASechat

tonysherborne Mar 7 @ 3:53 PM EST

@Mallrat_uk #asechat Definitely challenges. Benefits (theoretically) v big effect sizes on achievement. Some are flipping to make practical

snapshotscience Mar 7 @ 3:55 PM EST

Quick #asechat plug for Engage, new from Upd8 team https://t.co/vUepftSms7 written for the AQA KS3 syllabus, promotes mastery

dave2004b Mar 7 @ 3:55 PM EST

#asechat Another thing to consider is how Maths and English are changing their curricula - we are so reliant on pupils literacy and ... 1/2

dave2004b Mar 7 @ 3:56 PM EST

...2/2 in teaching our subject that good dialogue between the three departments is vital #asechat

SteveTeachPhys Mar 7 @ 3:57 PM EST

@tonysherborne where are you using the ITC? Testing? #asechat

lindsayhether Mar 7 @ 3:57 PM EST

Missed #ASEchat sorry, looked interesting. I try to work out threshold concepts when thinking mastery/curriculum planning.