#fcsvanguard Archive
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Thursday May 4, 2017
7:30 PM EDT
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May 4 @ 7:30 PM EDT
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JodiMos
May 4 @ 7:30 PM EDT
Hey everyone! I’m Jodi at Crabapple MS. Innovation & Technology Coach
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JodiMos
May 4 @ 7:33 PM EDT
Q1 In schools, how does student engagement look different from student compliance?
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JodiMos
May 4 @ 7:33 PM EDT
Q1 In schools, how does student engagement look different from student compliance?
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suzannelaisney
May 4 @ 7:37 PM EDT
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Engagement means there is choice in what is learned and the manner it's learned Compliance is just "following directions!"
hillside_media
May 4 @ 7:37 PM EDT
A1 student engagement may involve more creativity, not just getting the "right" answer.
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MandyBe1l
May 4 @ 7:38 PM EDT
Mandy Bell checking in late
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it has been a day
hillside_media
May 4 @ 7:40 PM EDT
Forgot to check in...Kathleen from Hillside here.
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CCES_AP
May 4 @ 7:40 PM EDT
Compliance can be achieved by following directions. Engagement paints a 2-way picture. Voice, control, questioning, exploring
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JodiMos
May 4 @ 7:33 PM EDT
Q1 In schools, how does student engagement look different from student compliance?
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MandyBe1l
May 4 @ 7:40 PM EDT
A1: student directed engagement means Ss are excited about learning. Compliance teacher directed and little enthusiasm
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suzannelaisney
May 4 @ 7:41 PM EDT
I love looking at my kiddos' faces and seeing that look of engagement! We all know what that one looks like!
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JodiMos
May 4 @ 7:43 PM EDT
True! Compliance doesn't = learning
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alvie2304
May 4 @ 7:43 PM EDT
A1 students that are engaged drive their learning experiences, compliance = box
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JodiMos
May 4 @ 7:43 PM EDT
Yes! When they're miserable, they aren't learning...
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JodiMos
May 4 @ 7:44 PM EDT
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JodiMos
May 4 @ 7:45 PM EDT
https://t.co/sAXuXSnhnk
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MrsHCox
- Moderator
May 4 @ 7:45 PM EDT
Sorry I'm late! Heather here!! ☺
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JodiMos
May 4 @ 7:46 PM EDT
So true. Once they are driving their learning…we’re set!
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hillside_media
May 4 @ 7:47 PM EDT
A2 engaged classroom can be loud but not out of control. Ss may be sitting on the floor, but actively involved in something
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MrsHCox
- Moderator
May 4 @ 7:47 PM EDT
A2: There's an energy you feel in a classroom with engaged Ss. To need to see/feel what that looks like before they do it.
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sweetapplemedia
May 4 @ 7:47 PM EDT
Compliance is following the rules whether engaged in the lesson or not.
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PBLOakley1
May 4 @ 7:47 PM EDT
A1: Student Engagement is student-centered and compliance is teacher-centered
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JodiMos
May 4 @ 7:48 PM EDT
A2 Does the activity allow for personalization? How about authentic connections? Discourse opportunities?
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MandyBe1l
May 4 @ 7:48 PM EDT
A2: Compliance - Ss answer, engagement involves dialogue from Ss.
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1_gjsingh
May 4 @ 7:48 PM EDT
Student engagement leads to authentic learning
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ARaiderMC
May 4 @ 7:49 PM EDT
Agree
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alvie2304
May 4 @ 7:49 PM EDT
A2 movement, collaboration, inquiry, innovation, creativity allowing students to command the instructional scene
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mcnair8thela
May 4 @ 7:49 PM EDT
Compliant students=quiet Engaged students= working collaboratively
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JodiMos
May 4 @ 7:49 PM EDT
YES! Love that when you enter!
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JodiMos
May 4 @ 7:51 PM EDT
Q4 What are some ways that we can teach student to have a voice in their learning so they know how as adults?
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CCES_AP
May 4 @ 7:51 PM EDT
The communication & collaboration among students and teachers
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JodiMos
May 4 @ 7:44 PM EDT
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JodiMos
May 4 @ 7:51 PM EDT
Truth! Students r often quietly sleeping w/their eyes open. Quiet &compliant doesn’t mean learning is happening.
#misconception
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DC_STEMTastic
May 4 @ 7:51 PM EDT
A2: difference is passion or lack of passion in students. Gradual releaese model. With support.
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JodiMos
May 4 @ 7:44 PM EDT
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JodiMos
May 4 @ 7:51 PM EDT
LOVE this explanation!
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DC_STEMTastic
May 4 @ 7:52 PM EDT
@JodiMos
Hi sorry I am late! Chanel CLC vanlead Stem program specialist!
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JodiMos
May 4 @ 7:52 PM EDT
Welcome! Glad you made it!
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DC_STEMTastic
May 4 @ 7:53 PM EDT
A4 Student contracts
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JodiMos
May 4 @ 7:51 PM EDT
Q4 What are some ways that we can teach student to have a voice in their learning so they know how as adults?
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LWEGator_PE
May 4 @ 7:53 PM EDT
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Ann Van Loo
@LWEGator_PE
. Compliance = follow class rules. Engagement = students actively working on a lesson goal/project.
zlbrownschools
- Moderator
May 4 @ 7:53 PM EDT
A1: When the Teachers isn't talking and the students are still learning
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PBLOakley1
May 4 @ 7:54 PM EDT
A2: Although I feel that compliant students can be engaged---strictly compliant environments look a bit more stern/sterile
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suzannelaisney
May 4 @ 7:54 PM EDT
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Great article Jodi! The key is kids need to feel as if they are a part of the big picture making a difference!That's authentic
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hillside_media
May 4 @ 7:54 PM EDT
Q4 provide an environment where questions are welcome and it's okay to fail.
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JodiMos
May 4 @ 7:51 PM EDT
Q4 What are some ways that we can teach student to have a voice in their learning so they know how as adults?
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alvie2304
May 4 @ 7:55 PM EDT
A4 provide more opportunities for inquiry and even allow students the opportunityto select topics to learn about
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MandyBe1l
May 4 @ 7:55 PM EDT
A3: relationships (teacher-student, student-student), discussions, encouraging autonomy, enhance Ss self-belief
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SandraBaldwin18
May 4 @ 7:56 PM EDT
And in the midst of chaos we find good learning. A4
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PBLOakley1
May 4 @ 7:56 PM EDT
A2: I believe that modeling behaviors u want 2 see/have represented is the best way 2 coach others to let go, gradual release
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In reply to @JodiMos
CCES_AP
May 4 @ 7:56 PM EDT
Begin to ask them WHY they are making the choices they've made. Then ask them to "say more".They need practice!
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JodiMos
May 4 @ 7:51 PM EDT
Q4 What are some ways that we can teach student to have a voice in their learning so they know how as adults?
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LWEGator_PE
May 4 @ 7:56 PM EDT
We did graduated difficulty. Ss chose what level to start & when to move up. Teacher helped those who needed it for the skill.
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JodiMos
May 4 @ 7:56 PM EDT
For sure! Make them responsible.
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MrsHCox
- Moderator
May 4 @ 7:57 PM EDT
A4: We teach them by actually asking them what they think/feel.
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JodiMos
May 4 @ 7:57 PM EDT
I believe that relationships are the heart of it all! FIRST! Without them no teaching happens, no learning happens, no growing.
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In reply to @MandyBe1l
JodiMos
May 4 @ 7:58 PM EDT
That’s great! This adds to their understanding at deeper levels.
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In reply to @CCES_AP
NancyM333
May 4 @ 7:58 PM EDT
A4 Students need practice in getting immersed in rewarding work so they can have information about what inspires them.
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LWEGator_PE
May 4 @ 7:58 PM EDT
It's a bit of a mess when you start, but more Ss do it the better it becomes.
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In reply to @JodiMos
suzannelaisney
May 4 @ 7:58 PM EDT
Q4 Be a role model showing them that mistakes are OK and how to deal with them. Enjoy yourself with the Ss. Humor is key.
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In reply to @JodiMos
zlbrownschools
- Moderator
May 4 @ 7:59 PM EDT
Q2 Engaged Ss know that the learning isn't just anwering a question, they don't sit and wait for the next question
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JodiMos
May 4 @ 7:59 PM EDT
I work w/ a T who empowers her Ss to know when to get more help, when to work w/ her, when to work w/ peers,etc. It’s powerful!
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JodiMos
May 4 @ 8:00 PM EDT
Q3 (oops out of order)
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laura_lamaster
May 4 @ 8:00 PM EDT
voice in education can be compared with a debate. You need some knowledgeable base before beginning to articulate a voice
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MissRioux
May 4 @ 8:01 PM EDT
A4 coaching kids through conversations with adults. Middle schoolers have no idea how to talk to others
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JodiMos
May 4 @ 7:51 PM EDT
Q4 What are some ways that we can teach student to have a voice in their learning so they know how as adults?
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laura_lamaster
May 4 @ 8:01 PM EDT
In your learning process. I also think it helps students realize what would be best for them.
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MissRioux
May 4 @ 8:02 PM EDT
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sorry I am late! Here for a few!
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LWEGator_PE
May 4 @ 8:02 PM EDT
That's part of inquiry model. Let Ss fail so they can learn from it.
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In reply to @suzannelaisney, @JodiMos
JodiMos
May 4 @ 8:02 PM EDT
Such an important life lesson!!
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sweetapplemedia
May 4 @ 8:02 PM EDT
Let them know that they matter.
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MandyBe1l
May 4 @ 8:02 PM EDT
A3: excitement, enthusiasm, eager, determined, perseverance and compliant, but happy compliance
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CCES_AP
May 4 @ 8:02 PM EDT
A3 curious, independent, thoughtful, informed, just to name a few 😆
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zlbrownschools
- Moderator
May 4 @ 8:02 PM EDT
A3: Thinker, problem-solver, perserverance, community
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suzannelaisney
May 4 @ 8:02 PM EDT
Q-3 empowered comes to mind with Ss leading the learning process through discovery and curiosity
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1_gjsingh
May 4 @ 8:03 PM EDT
Discourse opportunities leads to exchanging ideas and developing thinking process, student engagement
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JodiMos
May 4 @ 8:03 PM EDT
A3 relationships, ownership, valued, comfortable, discovering, co-planning
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JodiMos
May 4 @ 8:04 PM EDT
One of my favorite words!
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PBLOakley1
May 4 @ 8:04 PM EDT
A3: bond, captivation, fascination, concentration
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JodiMos
May 4 @ 8:04 PM EDT
For sure! I love hearing students have discourse with one another. It shows real understanding.
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suzannelaisney
May 4 @ 8:05 PM EDT
We ALL need to feel empowered! I think it's a basic human need ! Maslow' self actualization!
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JodiMos
May 4 @ 8:07 PM EDT
Q5
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JodiMos
May 4 @ 8:08 PM EDT
A5 We’re afraid we’ll lose control. Or that they won’t make the correct decision. Or that they won’t learn
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laura_lamaster
May 4 @ 8:09 PM EDT
Q1. Engagement-excitement is contagious; wanting to go beyond what is expected-now knowing they are working harder. Ownership
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hillside_media
May 4 @ 8:10 PM EDT
A5 fear of losing control, admin not understanding when they observe. Ts need to start small, teach Ss how to take more control.
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JodiMos
May 4 @ 8:10 PM EDT
It’s so cool when that happens….right?
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JodiMos
May 4 @ 8:11 PM EDT
https://t.co/5Gwmi6pbd9
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MandyBe1l
May 4 @ 8:11 PM EDT
A5: the fear that Ss won't learn.
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PBLOakley1
May 4 @ 8:11 PM EDT
A4:I find when Ss are asked to say what they want to get out of their learning, they're often in that sit down & be quiet mode
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suzannelaisney
May 4 @ 8:12 PM EDT
Let's face it: we all learn what we want to learn faster than what is prescribed to us
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LWEGator_PE
May 4 @ 8:12 PM EDT
It's hard for teachers b/c we aren't taught how to do it. Ts are afraid to fail. Try something new & see what happens.
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JodiMos
May 4 @ 8:12 PM EDT
YES! Yes they surprise us when we give them the soft skills.
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JodiMos
May 4 @ 8:13 PM EDT
Yes. So if we give students a bit of a voice in theirs, it’s amazing the return!
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PBLOakley1
May 4 @ 8:13 PM EDT
A5: Maybe a fear that Ss could know more than the teacher--but in my classroom I don't want to be the only keeper of knowledge
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JodiMos
May 4 @ 8:14 PM EDT
Agree. We need to work with teachers on this. It isn’t easy when they haven’t seen it before!
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JodiMos
May 4 @ 8:14 PM EDT
It’s amazing what happens when we learn together.
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JodiMos
May 4 @ 8:15 PM EDT
Q6
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PBLOakley1
May 4 @ 8:15 PM EDT
A4:Again,I feel modeled behavior speaks volumes, its a paradigm shift bc for so long Ss have been told to sit down and be quiet
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JodiMos
May 4 @ 8:17 PM EDT
https://t.co/wW4OcxmJIX
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suzannelaisney
May 4 @ 8:17 PM EDT
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it's more of a journey this way! The teacher and students take the journey together.
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1_gjsingh
May 4 @ 8:17 PM EDT
Curious, creative
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allgames7
May 4 @ 8:18 PM EDT
A4 I love showing how the simplest of educational standards applies in the real world.
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suzannelaisney
May 4 @ 8:18 PM EDT
Plus you're role modeling what it means to be a life long learner open to making mistakes and learning from them
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JodiMos
May 4 @ 8:18 PM EDT
A6 We had a S in our sch create a petition, letter, &make appt w/ Adm abt wearing shorts. She did it well & now they wear em!
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PBLOakley1
May 4 @ 8:18 PM EDT
A6: to be honest I'm new 2 Stud voice. I've started genius hour & my Ss have voice/choice on the type of project that want 2 do
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hillside_media
May 4 @ 8:19 PM EDT
A6 recent PBL projects, Shark Tank w/ 3rd, 4th & 5th Gr. Planning new recess games in 1st Gr.
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MrsHCox
- Moderator
May 4 @ 8:19 PM EDT
A6: When
@TeachKerley
co-plans with students, it's definitely giving them a voice!
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MandyBe1l
May 4 @ 8:20 PM EDT
A6: Ss struggled w idioms. Pairs could select a book on idioms then teach others their idioms - life-size idiom game
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JodiMos
May 4 @ 8:20 PM EDT
A6 I love the v. continuum. Start w/ PLPs. Learn abt students have Ss lrn abt themselves so they can make good decisions.
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allgames7
May 4 @ 8:20 PM EDT
A6 I love co-planning with my accelerated students. They come up with some of the best ideas to show what they learned.
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JodiMos
May 4 @ 8:20 PM EDT
She does great with this!
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1_gjsingh
May 4 @ 8:21 PM EDT
Allow them to express themselves and teach them to respect others views even if they disagree with the idea or view.
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JodiMos
May 4 @ 8:21 PM EDT
PBL done well gives Ss lots of voice!
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JodiMos
May 4 @ 8:22 PM EDT
Yes! Relevance and authenticity is so important.
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JodiMos
May 4 @ 8:22 PM EDT
For sure….now you get to try with the non-accelerated ones. :)
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JodiMos
May 4 @ 8:23 PM EDT
Q7
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sweetapplemedia
May 4 @ 8:23 PM EDT
A6 First graders choosing their tech tool to demonstrate learning of Ben Franklin
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MrsHCox
- Moderator
May 4 @ 8:24 PM EDT
A7: I don't have Ss anymore, but my
#stuvoice
comes from
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members. I try to listen to absolutely everyone!
JodiMos
May 4 @ 8:25 PM EDT
A7 My tech team is creating/rebranding their podcast. I am transparent w/my goals &tend to tell the world to hold myself acct.
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JodiMos
May 4 @ 8:25 PM EDT
I’ll loan you some kiddos anytime. :)
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PBLOakley1
May 4 @ 8:25 PM EDT
A7: I want to take some time and research/read about effective ways to use student voice in the elementary classroom
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hillside_media
May 4 @ 8:25 PM EDT
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, another great example of voice from fellow Vanguardian Lynn Shebat and the rest of her
@hillsidepk
team!!
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JodiMos
May 4 @ 8:26 PM EDT
Here is one of my favorite websites!
https://t.co/RULApG7ucb
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JodiMos
May 4 @ 8:27 PM EDT
I need an invite to all things food related. :)
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JodiMos
May 4 @ 8:28 PM EDT
These are great! Love socratic seminars and so do kiddos!@
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msdickeysclass
May 4 @ 8:27 PM EDT
Socratic Seminar, Genius Hour, REAL time, ART day
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MandyBe1l
May 4 @ 8:28 PM EDT
A7: I want to listen more to Ss
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JodiMos
May 4 @ 8:29 PM EDT
I just realized…..be sure to put
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on your Tweets so that everyone in the chat can see them. You’re sharing great things! :)
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