#PBLchat Archive

#PBLchat is a weekly chat that focuses on different topics related to education and Project Based Learning.

Tuesday February 20, 2018
8:00 PM EST

  • edubabbIe Feb 20 @ 8:00 PM EST
    This need is clear: by direct preferences for overlapping turns at formal public education was born. #pblchat
  • newtechnetwork - Moderator Feb 20 @ 8:00 PM EST
    Welcome to #PBLchat. So happy to be moderating tonight and chatting about the “messy middle” of projects! My name is @MrsDeYoung2. Jump in and introduce yourself!
  • ebennett16 Feb 20 @ 8:02 PM EST
    Elizabeth Bennett proud Assistant Principal of RHMS in Georgia! #PBLchat
  • remyrobitaille Feb 20 @ 8:02 PM EST
    Hi all! Remy here from #NewTechNetwork. Excited for things to get messy for the next hour! #pblchat
  • mrslewis3c Feb 20 @ 8:02 PM EST
    Emily Lewis, third grade facilitator at @CVschoolofInq ! So excited to be here tonight to talk about the #messymiddle ! #PBLchat
  • JamieArmin Feb 20 @ 8:03 PM EST
    Hi Everyone! Jamie, MS Health Science Edu from MA psyched to join you for #pblchat tonight!
  • newtechnetwork - Moderator Feb 20 @ 8:03 PM EST
    Question one coming up in two minutes! In the meantime, share somethings you are loving about the Winter Olympics! #PBLchat
  • newtechnetwork - Moderator Feb 20 @ 8:03 PM EST
    Personally, I’ve been up WAY too late watching ice dance! So fun to watch the @ShibSibs win bronze last night! #PBLchat
  • remyrobitaille Feb 20 @ 8:04 PM EST
    I mean.....Can't deny the love of the bobsled #pblchat
  • jessicaleeogden Feb 20 @ 8:04 PM EST
    Jessica Ogden, Instructional Lead Teacher @RichmondHillMS! Excited to join the tonight! #pblchat
  • ebennett16 Feb 20 @ 8:04 PM EST
    Curling! #PBLchat
  • remyrobitaille Feb 20 @ 8:04 PM EST
    Repping Ann Arbor! Yeah yeah! #pblchat
    In reply to @newtechnetwork, @ShibSibs
  • MsCSLow Feb 20 @ 8:05 PM EST
    Hey everyone! I’m caitlin, a 4th grade ELA/SS teacher at a @newtechnetwork school in @ManorISD. Great to meet y’all! #PBLChat
  • JamieArmin Feb 20 @ 8:05 PM EST
    #pblchat Love ice skating!
  • mrslewis3c Feb 20 @ 8:05 PM EST
    I'm all about the #usa hockey! #pblchat
  • becksbackyard Feb 20 @ 8:05 PM EST
    Hi! My name is Andrea Beck and I am a 4th grade teacher from Missouri. #pblchat
  • newtechnetwork - Moderator Feb 20 @ 8:05 PM EST
    YES! I have been watching SO much curling, too. #PBLchat
    In reply to @ebennett16
  • inspirepassion Feb 20 @ 8:06 PM EST
    #Canadian figure skaters Tessa Virtue and Scott Moir. #PBLchat
  • newtechnetwork - Moderator Feb 20 @ 8:06 PM EST
    Actual (non-Olympic) Q1: What can make the middle of a project “messy” or difficult to facilitate? What challenges have you encountered? #PBLchat
  • MsCSLow Feb 20 @ 8:06 PM EST
    I am a huge curling fan! I wanna throw a rock down some ice and sweep it toward a gold medal! #PBLchat
  • inspirepassion Feb 20 @ 8:07 PM EST
    A1: Time, materials (including tools), frustration. #PBLchat
  • PhilippJoey Feb 20 @ 8:07 PM EST
    Allowing students freedom to explore while ensuring content knowledge is gained #pblchat
    In reply to @newtechnetwork
  • ebennett16 Feb 20 @ 8:08 PM EST
    Q1- we all struggle with meeting the enrichment and the remediation needs at the same time. #PBLchat
  • newtechnetwork - Moderator Feb 20 @ 8:08 PM EST
    But I want cat curling to be a real thing. #PBLchat #Beijing2022
    In reply to @MsCSLow
  • becksbackyard Feb 20 @ 8:08 PM EST
    A1: Realizing you are trying to make the project to cookie-cutter and not enough personalized can be frustrating and overwhelming. #pblchat
    In reply to @newtechnetwork
  • jessicaleeogden Feb 20 @ 8:08 PM EST
    As a facilitator, I think it becomes "messy" in the middle when you have many different students and/or student groups working at different paces, or on different parts of the project all in one classroom. #pblchat
    • newtechnetwork - Moderator Feb 20 @ 8:06 PM EST
      Actual (non-Olympic) Q1: What can make the middle of a project “messy” or difficult to facilitate? What challenges have you encountered? #PBLchat
  • mrslewis3c Feb 20 @ 8:08 PM EST
    A1: Having Ss in so many different places in their learning, providing the appropriate scaffolds for the students during that time, making sure their inquiry is focused on their end game, time, materials, difficulties in collaboration and communcation... #3rdgrade #PBLchat
  • funkdaddytweet Feb 20 @ 8:08 PM EST
    Hi, everyone! From beautiful @ManorNewTech deep in the heart of Texas, I’m happy to be joining #pblchat tonight!
  • remyrobitaille Feb 20 @ 8:08 PM EST
    A1: Decline in engagement #pblchat
  • JessicaSharp Feb 20 @ 8:08 PM EST
    Hi all! Jessica from NTN, dipping into #PBLchat while prepping for Leadership Summit. Currently obsessed with fellow Colorado snowboarder Red Gerard!
  • MsCSLow Feb 20 @ 8:09 PM EST
    A1: the MM requires a lot of flexibility & focus, paying attention to the needs of struggling and exceeding scholars, recognizing when workshops are needed & how to add extra scaffolding to meet a benchmark expectation #PBLchat
  • inspirepassion Feb 20 @ 8:09 PM EST
    Frustrating and overwhelming for whom? #PBLchat
    • becksbackyard Feb 20 @ 8:08 PM EST
      A1: Realizing you are trying to make the project to cookie-cutter and not enough personalized can be frustrating and overwhelming. #pblchat
      In reply to @newtechnetwork
  • funkdaddytweet Feb 20 @ 8:09 PM EST
    A1) Closing gaps that kids bring with them can be challenging. Scaffolding can get unexpectedly intense at times. #pblchat
  • MsCSLow Feb 20 @ 8:10 PM EST
    If cat curling becomes a thing, I’m quitting teaching to fulfill my dreams! #PBLChat
    In reply to @newtechnetwork
  • JamieArmin Feb 20 @ 8:10 PM EST
    For some MS Ss facilitating tips on digging a little deeper for content & others need support with thinking out of the box/creativity. @newtechnetwork rubrics & @BIEpbl resources have been very helpful! #pblchat.
  • newtechnetwork - Moderator Feb 20 @ 8:10 PM EST
    I think you just summed up all my typical classroom #PBL messy middle challenges! Collaboration breakdowns are especially hard. #PBLchat
    In reply to @mrslewis3c
  • inspirepassion Feb 20 @ 8:10 PM EST
    What do you think creates this situation? #PBLchat
  • jessicaleeogden Feb 20 @ 8:10 PM EST
    As a facilitator, I think it becomes "messy" in the middle when you have many different students and/or student groups working at different paces, or on different parts of the project all in one classroom. You want to provide enough guidance and support for each student. #pblchat
    In reply to @newtechnetwork
  • MsCSLow Feb 20 @ 8:11 PM EST
    Hi fellow @ManorISD rockstar! #PBLChat #DestinationManor
    In reply to @funkdaddytweet, @ManorNewTech, @ManorISD
  • remyrobitaille Feb 20 @ 8:11 PM EST
    Timing is off on projects. Students no longer feel connected to project (authenticity issues?) #pblchat
    In reply to @inspirepassion
  • PhilippJoey Feb 20 @ 8:11 PM EST
    @newtechnetwork A1) Ensuring projects are student NTK driven and not teacher driven #PBLchat
  • JessicaSharp Feb 20 @ 8:11 PM EST
    A1: Yes! The middle of a project can get pretty darn messy. Join NTN’s #pblchat now!
    • mrslewis3c Feb 20 @ 8:08 PM EST
      A1: Having Ss in so many different places in their learning, providing the appropriate scaffolds for the students during that time, making sure their inquiry is focused on their end game, time, materials, difficulties in collaboration and communcation... #3rdgrade #PBLchat
  • JamieArmin Feb 20 @ 8:12 PM EST
    I've implemented more team conferencing/feedforward at strategic times. All teams are on a fluid path & I support with whatever they need #pblchat
  • inspirepassion Feb 20 @ 8:12 PM EST
    What level of enthusiasm do they have when they start? #PBLchat
    • remyrobitaille Feb 20 @ 8:11 PM EST
      Timing is off on projects. Students no longer feel connected to project (authenticity issues?) #pblchat
      In reply to @inspirepassion
  • becksbackyard Feb 20 @ 8:13 PM EST
    @newtechnetwork All involved! #PBLchat
    In reply to @inspirepassion, @newtechnetwork
  • newtechnetwork - Moderator Feb 20 @ 8:13 PM EST
    This seems like a strategy other Ts would love! What resources have you found/created to make this manageable? #PBLchat
    In reply to @JamieArmin
  • John_P_McKenney Feb 20 @ 8:13 PM EST
    A1:I find that towards the middle of a project, its difficult to keep it to a manageable size. It tends to take on a mind of it's own. It becomes difficult to downsize ideas. #PBLchat
    In reply to @newtechnetwork
  • inspirepassion Feb 20 @ 8:14 PM EST
    Those certainly help, but even with good rubrics in place, some students have a hard time getting outside the box and want to be "told" what to do. #PBLchat
    • JamieArmin Feb 20 @ 8:10 PM EST
      For some MS Ss facilitating tips on digging a little deeper for content & others need support with thinking out of the box/creativity. @newtechnetwork rubrics & @BIEpbl resources have been very helpful! #pblchat.
  • JamieArmin Feb 20 @ 8:14 PM EST
    With Ss #pblchat
    In reply to @ebennett16
  • PhilippJoey Feb 20 @ 8:15 PM EST
    I definitely think they are connected. Fidelity to NTKs is so important in authentic learning #PBLchat
    In reply to @JessicaSharp, @remyrobitaille
  • newtechnetwork - Moderator Feb 20 @ 8:15 PM EST
    Q2: How do you support effective student collaboration through the middle of a project, such as helping groups manage messy conflicts that come up? #PBLchat
  • MsCSLow Feb 20 @ 8:15 PM EST
    How exciting and yet overwhelming! #PBLChat
    In reply to @John_P_McKenney, @newtechnetwork
  • funkdaddytweet Feb 20 @ 8:15 PM EST
    Adding another level of difficulty to this is finding ways to keep kids engaged when they need extensions to the learning to challenge them. #PBLChat
    In reply to @John_P_McKenney, @newtechnetwork
  • BIEpbl Feb 20 @ 8:16 PM EST
    Creating Adult Connections in Project Based Learning https://t.co/HnRD70dYu0 #EdChat #PBLchat #PBL
  • 4salmom Feb 20 @ 8:16 PM EST
    Tardy to the #newtechnetwork #PBLchat party. Katrina from Texas 🤘🏼
  • MsCSLow Feb 20 @ 8:16 PM EST
    Right? My favorite question is “Can you just tell us the answer?” #PBLChat
    In reply to @inspirepassion
  • 1sweetlime Feb 20 @ 8:17 PM EST
    #PBLChat: Messy Middle of Projects https://t.co/1O6RRjNLEd via @newtechnetwork
  • emma_weatherly Feb 20 @ 8:17 PM EST
    A2) We hold a simple group therapy protocol where students are able to air out any grievances and move on in a productive way #PBLchat
  • mrslewis3c Feb 20 @ 8:18 PM EST
    A2: Group Contracts, Collaboration Stamp Sheet, Team Meetings, Refocusing on the task through NTKs, and a peace hoop! #pblchat
  • funkdaddytweet Feb 20 @ 8:18 PM EST
    A2) I used to cycle through who was the group leader in various phases of the project and tell students only group leads could ask me questions and I would only talk to group leads about work ethic & collaboration issues. #pblchat
  • becksbackyard Feb 20 @ 8:18 PM EST
    A2: Modeling is the most powerful tool educators have! Model how great conversations can come from different ideas or difference in opinions. #lifeskills #PBLChat
    In reply to @newtechnetwork
  • newtechnetwork - Moderator Feb 20 @ 8:19 PM EST
    Say more about a peace hoop! #PBLchat
    In reply to @mrslewis3c
  • MrKochAP Feb 20 @ 8:19 PM EST
    A2: Benchmarks and check ins seems to be huge! #pblchat
    • newtechnetwork - Moderator Feb 20 @ 8:15 PM EST
      Q2: How do you support effective student collaboration through the middle of a project, such as helping groups manage messy conflicts that come up? #PBLchat
  • inspirepassion Feb 20 @ 8:19 PM EST
    A2: Start with team contracts, developed by students. Include an escalation process for when they get stuck. #PBLchat
  • newtechnetwork - Moderator Feb 20 @ 8:19 PM EST
    Some thoughts on why collaboration: https://t.co/hwcV8t0t6e #PBLchat
  • PhilippJoey Feb 20 @ 8:19 PM EST
    Would love to know more about this and the norms for this process #PBLchat
    In reply to @emma_weatherly
  • 4salmom Feb 20 @ 8:19 PM EST
    A2: Having a structured format that students use in order to be reflective of their individual collaborative skills so that they can function in a group setting. @newtechnetwork has a fabulous collaboration rubric that not only focuses on group skills, but individual too #PBLchat
  • stafford_shayla Feb 20 @ 8:20 PM EST
    Hi everyone here from D.C. !#PBLchat
  • MsCSLow Feb 20 @ 8:20 PM EST
    A2: group contracts made by scholars with a written process for conflict is important. It helps when scholars agree to a plan of action before conflict arises. My dream for @ManorISD is an SEL lesson plan series to begin the year to provide scholar skills/support. #PBLChat
  • jessicaleeogden Feb 20 @ 8:20 PM EST
    Q2: I personally love using Cooperative Learning strategies to support positive and effective student collaboration to maximize student learning and be proactive before messy conflicts occur, or help students solve conflicts on their own. #PBLchat
    In reply to @newtechnetwork
  • inspirepassion Feb 20 @ 8:20 PM EST
    A2: As Ss identify tasks, they must assign specific team members to them. #PBLchat
  • PhilippJoey Feb 20 @ 8:21 PM EST
    Mostly deal with problems as they rise. Could definitely use more strategies for this #PBLchat
    In reply to @newtechnetwork
  • AndrewBiros Feb 20 @ 8:21 PM EST
    A2: Gotta build in time for facilitators to conference w/a group & discuss dynamics, norms, deadlines. #PBLchat
  • newtechnetwork - Moderator Feb 20 @ 8:21 PM EST
    Yes! Are the steps for your protocol written down anywhere? #PBLchat #iloveprotocols
    In reply to @PhilippJoey, @emma_weatherly
  • inspirepassion Feb 20 @ 8:21 PM EST
    A2: As part of evaluation process, Ss assess their team members' contributions AND their own. #PBLchat
  • mrssheilaorr Feb 20 @ 8:21 PM EST
    Hello Everyone. Running late tonight. I am Sheila from Lansing #pblchat
  • JessicaSharp Feb 20 @ 8:21 PM EST
    Workshops on collaboration and leadership are a GREAT tool to tackle the messy middle of group dynamics. #PBLChat
    In reply to @funkdaddytweet
  • ebennett16 Feb 20 @ 8:21 PM EST
    Would love to hear more about Collaboration Stamp Sheets @mrslewis3c #PBLchat
    • mrslewis3c Feb 20 @ 8:18 PM EST
      A2: Group Contracts, Collaboration Stamp Sheet, Team Meetings, Refocusing on the task through NTKs, and a peace hoop! #pblchat
  • stafford_shayla Feb 20 @ 8:21 PM EST
    A2: mid-point group reflection! Students rate their teammates and must provide a justification! #pblchat #pblinpractice
    In reply to @newtechnetwork
  • remyrobitaille Feb 20 @ 8:22 PM EST
    welcome! #pblchat
    In reply to @mrssheilaorr
  • newtechnetwork - Moderator Feb 20 @ 8:22 PM EST
    Math teachers, here’s a collab. scaffold for you - the Participation Quiz! https://t.co/cIU7RZ8RBa #PBLchat
  • remyrobitaille Feb 20 @ 8:22 PM EST
    welcome! #pblchat
    In reply to @stafford_shayla
  • mrssheilaorr Feb 20 @ 8:22 PM EST
    My coteacher and I do this as well #pblchat
  • newtechnetwork - Moderator Feb 20 @ 8:22 PM EST
    Yes! Do you use any kind of task sheet or app to manage this? #PBLchat
    In reply to @inspirepassion
  • Tlewandowski Feb 20 @ 8:22 PM EST
    Tom Lewandowski from @RogersNTHS. 1/2 of a facilitator team for doublewide Humanities class, 9th grade edition. #PBLchat
  • PhilippJoey Feb 20 @ 8:22 PM EST
    I like this idea as an organic way of tile development! Does this result in too much divide and conquer though? #PBLchat
    In reply to @inspirepassion
  • newtechnetwork - Moderator Feb 20 @ 8:23 PM EST
    Everett NTHS in the house!! #PBLchat
    In reply to @mrssheilaorr
  • mrssheilaorr Feb 20 @ 8:23 PM EST
    We do this too! It definitely was game changing in assessing collab #pblchat
  • JamieArmin Feb 20 @ 8:23 PM EST
    Totally agree! I offer them lots of other types of rubrics as well to be used as guides in developing their own team rubric at least once. Try not to overwhelm. I'm more interested in having them explore & create #PBLchat
    In reply to @inspirepassion
  • inspirepassion Feb 20 @ 8:24 PM EST
    I work with teens, and started using Trello this year. #PBLchat
  • John_P_McKenney Feb 20 @ 8:24 PM EST
    A2: This is one thing that I don't understand so well, I would focus more situationally to handle it. I will have to look in to this more. #PBLchat
    In reply to @newtechnetwork
  • jessicaleeogden Feb 20 @ 8:24 PM EST
    Q2: I personally love using Cooperative Learning strategies to support positive and effective student collaboration to maximize student learning and it can help teachers be proactive before messy conflicts occur, or assist students solve conflicts on their own. #PBLchat
    In reply to @newtechnetwork
  • PhilippJoey Feb 20 @ 8:24 PM EST
    How do you ensure quality and honest feedback? #PBLchat
    In reply to @stafford_shayla, @newtechnetwork
  • funkdaddytweet Feb 20 @ 8:24 PM EST
    Helping to shape, control and balance uncertainty for kids is key to helping them build confidence and develop coping skills. The way we ran it in my classes also taught them about chain of command and professional documentation through contracts. #PBLChat
    In reply to @JessicaSharp
  • inspirepassion Feb 20 @ 8:25 PM EST
    If it's a robust project, there is plenty for everyone to do. :-) #PBLchat
    • PhilippJoey Feb 20 @ 8:22 PM EST
      I like this idea as an organic way of tile development! Does this result in too much divide and conquer though? #PBLchat
      In reply to @inspirepassion
  • newtechnetwork - Moderator Feb 20 @ 8:25 PM EST
    I have seen examples of HS PBL groups using Trello to manage projects, and it seems really effective! #PBLchat
    In reply to @inspirepassion
  • JessicaSharp Feb 20 @ 8:25 PM EST
    Oh man ... talk about #lifeskillz! #PBLChat
    In reply to @funkdaddytweet
  • AndrewBiros Feb 20 @ 8:25 PM EST
    Where else can I let my 🌶️edu-takes fly?! #PBLchat
    In reply to @4salmom
  • PhilippJoey Feb 20 @ 8:26 PM EST
    Great idea! Looking forward to using this, thanks! #PBLchat
    In reply to @emma_weatherly
  • newtechnetwork - Moderator Feb 20 @ 8:26 PM EST
    I really want to see this protocol in action sometime! #PBLchat
    In reply to @mrssheilaorr
  • inspirepassion Feb 20 @ 8:26 PM EST
    My students have been resistant, so trying to puzzle out why. Think I should have done more "practice runs" at beginning of year. Recently ran another workshop. #PBLchat
    • newtechnetwork - Moderator Feb 20 @ 8:25 PM EST
      I have seen examples of HS PBL groups using Trello to manage projects, and it seems really effective! #PBLchat
      In reply to @inspirepassion
  • funkdaddytweet Feb 20 @ 8:26 PM EST
    Sometimes getting poor and dishonest feedback is helpful for leading to teachable moments for showing kids how to manage difficult conversations. #PBLChat
    In reply to @PhilippJoey, @stafford_shayla, @newtechnetwork
  • AndrewBiros Feb 20 @ 8:28 PM EST
    Keep it up! HS students being resistant to changes in work flow is as old as time. #PBLchat
    In reply to @inspirepassion
  • JamieArmin Feb 20 @ 8:28 PM EST
    Same here! I help them with "I" statements and having a voice esp if someone is telling everyone what to do. They've got to learn how to compromise #pblchat
    • emma_weatherly Feb 20 @ 8:17 PM EST
      A2) We hold a simple group therapy protocol where students are able to air out any grievances and move on in a productive way #PBLchat
  • newtechnetwork - Moderator Feb 20 @ 8:29 PM EST
    Good ideas for when group conflicts bubble up: https://t.co/QnnwvZBfYa #PBLchat
  • MsCSLow Feb 20 @ 8:29 PM EST
    Think of purposeful S-Collab lessons as preventative measures to keep groups healthy. Some ideas include: -3 min group goal planning at start of day -weekly group reflection on communication, effort, progress, challenges -class or group activities to build relationships #PBLChat
    In reply to @John_P_McKenney, @newtechnetwork
  • PhilippJoey Feb 20 @ 8:29 PM EST
    That’s a great idea! Feedback norms #PBLchat
    In reply to @JessicaSharp, @stafford_shayla, @newtechnetwork
  • DefinedSTEM Feb 20 @ 8:30 PM EST
    Free eBook: Guide to Project-Based Learning. Includes research, best practices and teaching tips for K-12 educators. https://t.co/xy7bDKWzMO #edchat #PBLchat #PBL #Teachers
  • newtechnetwork - Moderator Feb 20 @ 8:31 PM EST
    Q3: How do you plan for differentiated activities & workshops that address all your student-generated Need-to-Knows? #PBLchat
  • PhilippJoey Feb 20 @ 8:31 PM EST
    We have lots who do just high scores universally right now #PBLchat
    In reply to @stafford_shayla, @newtechnetwork
  • inspirepassion Feb 20 @ 8:32 PM EST
    That's pretty common. They don't want to hurt others' feelings. It's a learning process. #PBLchat
    • PhilippJoey Feb 20 @ 8:31 PM EST
      We have lots who do just high scores universally right now #PBLchat
      In reply to @stafford_shayla, @newtechnetwork
  • newtechnetwork - Moderator Feb 20 @ 8:32 PM EST
    Love the idea of "preventative measures!" Time spent on collab. is earned back later when groups function smoothly! #PBLchat
    In reply to @MsCSLow, @John_P_McKenney
  • PhilippJoey Feb 20 @ 8:32 PM EST
    Q3: Try to have groups request workshops in advance and then develop workshops for the NTK at the groups level #PBLchat
    In reply to @newtechnetwork
  • inspirepassion Feb 20 @ 8:33 PM EST
    A3: Depends on the NTK. Research gets assigned to team members. Skills/knowledge development done in workshop format for those who need it. #PBLchat
  • andredaughty Feb 20 @ 8:33 PM EST
    Hello #PBLchat. Andre Daughty (Daugh like how) fro Oklahoma City joining in.
  • MsCSLow Feb 20 @ 8:34 PM EST
    In our 4th grade team, we talk about Feedback Perception: “The goal of feedback is to help peers reach success. If they don’t take it well, reflect on your daily attitude toward them. If they feel attacked daily, your feedback will feel the same. Respect breeds success!” #PBLChat
    In reply to @funkdaddytweet, @PhilippJoey, @stafford_shayla, @newtechnetwork
  • emma_weatherly Feb 20 @ 8:34 PM EST
    A3) differentiation is what I’m here for! This is what I struggle with the most #PBLchat
  • MrKochAP Feb 20 @ 8:34 PM EST
    A3: As a school leader I have seen teacher teams intentionally plan for different products to be produced throughout a project that allow all learners to access the need to knows! #PBLchat
  • mrssheilaorr Feb 20 @ 8:34 PM EST
    A3: We try to find labs and activities that cover multiple concepts so that way if there are a variety of similar need to knows we can address them at once #PBLchat
  • 4salmom Feb 20 @ 8:34 PM EST
    A3: Start by anticipating what NTKs your students may have and LOOSELY plan from there. If planned well and with the end in mind, your entry event and entry doc will produce the NTKs for your pre-planned lessons and workshops. #PBLchat
  • AndrewBiros Feb 20 @ 8:35 PM EST
    A3: Good project design will predict NTKs so you can have some workshops ready. Divide up those NTKs into hard content, context, & acquired skills. Tackle each in 30 min sprints w/small groups of Ss. Not all Ss need to be doing same thing at same time. #pblchat
  • JessicaSharp Feb 20 @ 8:35 PM EST
    Hi there! Welcome to #PBLchat
    In reply to @andredaughty
  • mrslewis3c Feb 20 @ 8:35 PM EST
    A3: Collaboration with my team and ESOL teachers! Workshops to identify their scaffolding needs. Shared writing with varied levels of support. Frequent revisiting of Ks & NTKs! Group check ins, coteaching, meaningful groupwork roles #PBLchat https://t.co/JSQFDMzwy6
  • PhilippJoey Feb 20 @ 8:35 PM EST
    Love the message of this! #PBLchat
    In reply to @MsCSLow, @funkdaddytweet, @stafford_shayla, @newtechnetwork
  • newtechnetwork - Moderator Feb 20 @ 8:35 PM EST
    Great! How do you manage the logistics of this process? Workshops-by-request can be a daunting structure to jump into! #PBLchat
    In reply to @PhilippJoey
  • funkdaddytweet Feb 20 @ 8:35 PM EST
    A3) For my classroom, face to face meetings with groups was key. It was very time-consuming, but necessary to know what help was really needed and gave context to what I saw in assessments. #PBLchat
  • dpopulo001 Feb 20 @ 8:35 PM EST
    Q1 A project can become messy when students start to take it in a direction you did not prepare for or anticipate. I saw embrace the messy and go with the flow! #pblchat @StephDeLuca16
  • mrslewis3c Feb 20 @ 8:35 PM EST
    A3: Collaboration with my team and ESOL teachers! Workshops to identify their scaffolding needs. Shared writing with varied levels of support. Frequent revisiting of Ks & NTKs! Group check ins, coteaching, meaningful groupwork roles #PBLchat
  • andredaughty Feb 20 @ 8:36 PM EST
    A1. That momentum dropping in the middle of the project is one I've seen several times. The project can't be a sprint, but a marathon. #PBLchat
  • ebennett16 Feb 20 @ 8:36 PM EST
    A3: We ask for different content areas to create lessons for each PBL. This helps provide variety. #pblchat
  • newtechnetwork - Moderator Feb 20 @ 8:36 PM EST
    What kinds of structures do you put into place for team members to share learning? #PBLchat
    In reply to @inspirepassion
  • newtechnetwork - Moderator Feb 20 @ 8:36 PM EST
    Here’s now NTN teacher Chris Bach addresses NTKs via differentiated workshops: https://t.co/ultIo5lGSv #PBLchat
  • dpopulo001 Feb 20 @ 8:37 PM EST
    A2 I like to start PBL with a group contract where all members sign off saying the agree to the terms. When it gets messy, take out your contract and show them what they agreed to. Sometimes too many strong leaders can be in the same group or the opposite, too few #pblchat
  • newtechnetwork - Moderator Feb 20 @ 8:37 PM EST
    Love that your team is collaborating like this! #PBLchat
    In reply to @mrslewis3c
  • mrssheilaorr Feb 20 @ 8:37 PM EST
    Seriously, I tried this and kids never knew when to request it.....I also am sure I didn’t structure it in the best way #pblchat
    In reply to @newtechnetwork, @PhilippJoey
  • mrslewis3c Feb 20 @ 8:37 PM EST
    I would never survive the #differentiation or #messymiddle without my team! #pblchat
  • dpopulo001 Feb 20 @ 8:38 PM EST
    A3 In the past I have had mini lessons that address topics on the need to know list. Those who want to/need to attend are welcome. #pblchat
  • inspirepassion Feb 20 @ 8:38 PM EST
    My all time favorite exemplar for feedback is @RonBergerEL 's Austin's Butterfly. https://t.co/1YH7iIKuMg #PBLchat
    • MsCSLow Feb 20 @ 8:34 PM EST
      In our 4th grade team, we talk about Feedback Perception: “The goal of feedback is to help peers reach success. If they don’t take it well, reflect on your daily attitude toward them. If they feel attacked daily, your feedback will feel the same. Respect breeds success!” #PBLChat
      In reply to @funkdaddytweet, @PhilippJoey, @stafford_shayla, @newtechnetwork
  • andredaughty Feb 20 @ 8:38 PM EST
    A2. Stopping any negative energy and vibes in the group at the early stages before allowing it to produce devastating results. My grandparents used to call it, "Nippin it in the bud." Nip it and redirect it before that momentum gets loose. #pblchat
  • JamieArmin Feb 20 @ 8:38 PM EST
    A3 Ss are choosing resources, tools, creative/interactive products, note taking methods as a team & as individuals! Choice allows for this differentiation to happen naturally & I'm there to offer supports. I encourage them to try out new tools ie sketchnotes @GetKahoot #PBLchat
  • MsCSLow Feb 20 @ 8:38 PM EST
    A3: plan ahead! For every scaffold or benchmark, have a workshop & extension ready Ex: benchmark is “turning data into bar graph” WS: how to read a bar graph, how to compare numbers Extension: nearpod on creation of bar graph for google slide presentation #PBLChat
  • PhilippJoey Feb 20 @ 8:38 PM EST
    Google forms for workshop request was a game changer. Clear list with clear NTK’s to tackle makes workshops much easier to manage #PBLchat
    In reply to @newtechnetwork
  • AndrewBiros Feb 20 @ 8:38 PM EST
    A3: Can I say this?... If Ss aren't gonna use it in order to show their new learning & acquired skills - take a deep long look in the mirror & ask yourself: Should we really be spending time on this? #pblchat
  • dpopulo001 Feb 20 @ 8:39 PM EST
    That's great! Sometimes they need a moderator and the opportunity for everyone to be heard. #pblchat
    In reply to @emma_weatherly
  • inspirepassion Feb 20 @ 8:39 PM EST
    With their teammates or other students? #PBLchat
  • funkdaddytweet Feb 20 @ 8:39 PM EST
    Yes! Especially when there is a big difference of knowledge, skill and motivation within the same classroom and group, even! #PBLChat
    In reply to @emma_weatherly
  • JamieArmin Feb 20 @ 8:39 PM EST
    Super plan! #pblchat
    • dpopulo001 Feb 20 @ 8:37 PM EST
      A2 I like to start PBL with a group contract where all members sign off saying the agree to the terms. When it gets messy, take out your contract and show them what they agreed to. Sometimes too many strong leaders can be in the same group or the opposite, too few #pblchat
  • PhilippJoey Feb 20 @ 8:39 PM EST
    It took lots of modeling and teaching to get it to happen. Once it does happen it’s a game changer. #PBLchat
    In reply to @mrssheilaorr, @newtechnetwork
  • dpopulo001 Feb 20 @ 8:40 PM EST
    Got to keep up with the project and make it the class's main focus. Can't let it fall to the wasteside or students will lose interest. #pblchat
    In reply to @andredaughty
  • PhilippJoey Feb 20 @ 8:41 PM EST
    It’s huge for allowing NTKs to truly guide the process. Without this NTKs can feel hollow and forced #PBLchat
    In reply to @becksbackyard, @atechiebookworm, @hawkinscentral, @AndMyMom
  • andredaughty Feb 20 @ 8:42 PM EST
    A3. First, you've got to have those genuine connections with your students. Myy favorite quote is "If you observe students, they will teach you how to teach them." Once you know who they are and how they best learn, differentiation becomes (a little) easier. #PBLchat
  • dpopulo001 Feb 20 @ 8:42 PM EST
    Love the use of Google docs here. A great way to keep track of everything, collaborate, and allow for the teacher to be a part of the work, too! Thanks for sharing. #pblchat
    In reply to @newtechnetwork
  • dpopulo001 Feb 20 @ 8:44 PM EST
    I like the idea of categorizing the questions. #pblchat
    In reply to @AndrewBiros
  • MsCSLow Feb 20 @ 8:44 PM EST
    #PBLChat
    In reply to @AndrewBiros
  • newtechnetwork - Moderator Feb 20 @ 8:44 PM EST
    Q4: How do you use benchmarks & formative assessments to provide structure within the “messy middle” of a project? #PBLchat
  • Tlewandowski Feb 20 @ 8:45 PM EST
    Q3: YouTube Workshops have been a good option. These workshops allow learners to get what then need when they need it with a modicum of structure and accountability. #pblchat
    In reply to @newtechnetwork
  • JamieArmin Feb 20 @ 8:46 PM EST
    Learning all things Google this year during PD days! Super resources for collaboration! The kids are already there with Google! I'm getting there! #PBLchat
    In reply to @dpopulo001, @newtechnetwork
  • andredaughty Feb 20 @ 8:46 PM EST
    Our good friend @betamiller, wrote about differentiation and PBL. https://t.co/1RsL6y6924 #PBLchat
  • stafford_shayla Feb 20 @ 8:46 PM EST
    By grouping the NTKs and having dedicated work time already in my plan. I then fill in those slots with the workshops and adjust as needed. I agree with everyone we definitely anticipate where the NTKs will occur! #pblchat #pblinpractice
    In reply to @newtechnetwork
  • PhilippJoey Feb 20 @ 8:46 PM EST
    Q4) I am struggling with this in project design right now. One plan has lots of benchmarks that take students through it all. The other has few that allow for exploration. Both have pros and cons #PBLchat
    In reply to @newtechnetwork
  • mrssheilaorr Feb 20 @ 8:46 PM EST
    A4: We try to make major benchmarks key to our project so they must be completed to move on to next part and keep moving forward #PBLchat
  • MsCSLow Feb 20 @ 8:47 PM EST
    A4: scholars know they may use their work to help them reach benchmark goals. This provides motivation for them to work hard during scaffolding as it serves as their notes for benchmark assessments. #PBLChat
  • andredaughty Feb 20 @ 8:47 PM EST
    A3 cont. Matt Miller also gave some thoughts about differentiation. https://t.co/BsfKmMABNs #PBLchat
  • mmcdowell13 Feb 20 @ 8:47 PM EST
    The middle of the project doesnt have to be messy (a myth) it’s about deep learning- workshops on conceptual understanding, relationships, connections. The middle is about why, the end where, when, and who...the beginning what and how #pblchat
  • AndrewBiros Feb 20 @ 8:47 PM EST
    A4: When you've covered something content heavy, there comes a point where you gotta know if they know it. This doesn't always have to be a "test" A tool like @edpuzzle is super useful for formative assessment. #pblchat
  • inspirepassion Feb 20 @ 8:47 PM EST
    A4: Formative assessments are ongoing, both "walking around, asking questions and making observations" and formal peer reviews. #PBLchat
  • dpopulo001 Feb 20 @ 8:47 PM EST
    A4 By using an exit ticket type formative assessment at the end of class, students can show what they know about a particular standard. This can help structure small groups and identify areas where help is needed. #pblchat
  • andredaughty Feb 20 @ 8:47 PM EST
    A3 cont. Also, @BIEpbl talked about differentiation. https://t.co/czZtJ4YT8T #PBLchat
  • mrslewis3c Feb 20 @ 8:47 PM EST
    A4: Benchmarks & Formatives allow for some form of criteria & constraints for groups, it gives them a road map, & gives me a chance to see what scaffolds & pacing guides are still needed! They also provide more students accountability & uphold our project's authenticity. #pblchat
  • newtechnetwork - Moderator Feb 20 @ 8:48 PM EST
    Interesting! Can you share an example of how you do this? #PBLchat
    In reply to @Tlewandowski
  • JamieArmin Feb 20 @ 8:48 PM EST
    Thanks! I'm tapping favorite on lots to read later on! #pblchat
  • PhilippJoey Feb 20 @ 8:48 PM EST
    We also need to be prepared to handle unanticipated NTKs. Great learning and growth can happen in those unanticipated moments #PBLchat
    In reply to @stafford_shayla, @newtechnetwork
  • mrssheilaorr Feb 20 @ 8:48 PM EST
    A4: We also just started “knows” quizzes where kids are actually quizzed on their NTK once moved to know. They get to retake the quizzes as many times as needed. Definitely helped make sure kids really know NTK #PBLchat
  • funkdaddytweet Feb 20 @ 8:48 PM EST
    Here’s my old playbook in flowchart form. I had a feedback loop between scaffolding and assessment for my messy middle. https://t.co/8yGMzFHF6w #pblchat
  • mmcdowell13 Feb 20 @ 8:49 PM EST
    Groups/teams should happen after the middle. Students should have surface and deep knowledge and are ready to express an opinion and apply before being in groups- otherwise “diverse and conquer” and you need contracts. We want debate, conflict, resolution #PBLchat
  • newtechnetwork - Moderator Feb 20 @ 8:49 PM EST
    How do you re-group when formative assessment tells you not everyone is ready to move onto the next benchmark? #PBLchat
    In reply to @mrssheilaorr
  • John_P_McKenney Feb 20 @ 8:49 PM EST
    This is a problem that I run in to frequently, I need to structure mine less rigid. Any suggestions? #PBLchat
    In reply to @newtechnetwork
  • inspirepassion Feb 20 @ 8:49 PM EST
    A4: Benchmarks may include quizzes, short answer assignments, etc. but above all referring the students back to the rubrics and asking them to reflect on how their work aligns. #PBLchat
  • 4salmom Feb 20 @ 8:49 PM EST
    A4: Assessment data can PREVENT the #messymiddle by using the data to inform benchmark success. Assessments is where the IFs lie and benchmarks is where the CANs happen! Take care of the IFs in scaffolds to support your benchmark CANs. #PBLchat
  • mmcdowell13 Feb 20 @ 8:49 PM EST
    Groups/teams should happen after the middle. Students should have surface and deep knowledge and are ready to express an opinion and apply before being in groups- otherwise “divide and conquer” and you need contracts. We want debate, conflict, resolution #PBLchat
  • MsCSLow Feb 20 @ 8:49 PM EST
    1) create academic rubric for project 2) plan benchmarks to assess each goal on rubric 3) sketch out scaffolding required to help scholars succeed on benchmarks. *I generally have 3-4 scaffolding steps for each benchmark & 4-5 benchmarks per project. #PBLChat
    In reply to @PhilippJoey, @newtechnetwork
  • John_P_McKenney Feb 20 @ 8:50 PM EST
    A4) This is a problem that I run in to frequently, I need to structure mine less rigid. Any suggestions? #PBLchat
    In reply to @newtechnetwork
  • mrssheilaorr Feb 20 @ 8:50 PM EST
    Depends on the project, sometimes we let groups move on as needed and other times we have groups who are ready teach/help the groups who aren’t ready #pblchat
    • newtechnetwork - Moderator Feb 20 @ 8:49 PM EST
      How do you re-group when formative assessment tells you not everyone is ready to move onto the next benchmark? #PBLchat
      In reply to @mrssheilaorr
  • rmjohnson45 Feb 20 @ 8:51 PM EST
    Amazing day 1 with the Concept Ribeirão Preto team. Beautiful campus and deep work on improving projects! #pblchat
  • PhilippJoey Feb 20 @ 8:51 PM EST
    I have done this, it’s a great way of getting student to identify when they truly “know” #PBLchat
    In reply to @mrssheilaorr
  • newtechnetwork - Moderator Feb 20 @ 8:51 PM EST
    Here’s a roundup of assessment resources & ideas for your next project from @Edutopia: https://t.co/3vOFW5yzFi #PBLchat
  • MrKochAP Feb 20 @ 8:51 PM EST
    A4: I have seen teachers use it to keep their learners from falling behind. Can't advance until you finish the first benchmark etc. That way you can make sure students have an authentic product that will demonstrate their knowledge. #PBLchat
  • AndrewBiros Feb 20 @ 8:51 PM EST
    Folks - how inspiring are the young people demanding change in Parkland? It takes the hopes and dreams of young people to make change. #pblchat That's why I dig this type of T&L. With purpose, young people can do anything. It's our job to instill & inspire that purpose.
  • mmcdowell13 Feb 20 @ 8:51 PM EST
    Read Ochoa and Meta Robinson on the benefits of teams in PBL (not much- spoiler...and this is with adults). Teams for transfer (yes) not teams for everything #pblchat
    • mmcdowell13 Feb 20 @ 8:49 PM EST
      Groups/teams should happen after the middle. Students should have surface and deep knowledge and are ready to express an opinion and apply before being in groups- otherwise “divide and conquer” and you need contracts. We want debate, conflict, resolution #PBLchat
  • MsCSLow Feb 20 @ 8:52 PM EST
    Yeah, I’m gonna need you to email this to me. #PBLChat
    In reply to @funkdaddytweet
  • JamieArmin Feb 20 @ 8:52 PM EST
    I do similar & include sticky notes & newsprint paper with a question(s) #pblchat
    • inspirepassion Feb 20 @ 8:47 PM EST
      A4: Formative assessments are ongoing, both "walking around, asking questions and making observations" and formal peer reviews. #PBLchat
  • jessicaleeogden Feb 20 @ 8:52 PM EST
    Q4: FA can be used to help guide and direct students in the learning that occurs at all stages of projects! Data from FA can help create new NTK workshops in the #messymiddle or help further scaffold the project for students struggling! #pblchat
    In reply to @newtechnetwork
  • mrssheilaorr Feb 20 @ 8:52 PM EST
    Such an interesting idea.....totally different from what we do with timing around groups....may have to try #pblchat
    • mmcdowell13 Feb 20 @ 8:49 PM EST
      Groups/teams should happen after the middle. Students should have surface and deep knowledge and are ready to express an opinion and apply before being in groups- otherwise “divide and conquer” and you need contracts. We want debate, conflict, resolution #PBLchat
  • PhilippJoey Feb 20 @ 8:52 PM EST
    I try to develop benchmarks that are not highly defined but not as big as an end product #PBLchat
    In reply to @John_P_McKenney, @newtechnetwork
  • andredaughty Feb 20 @ 8:53 PM EST
    A4. Formative assessments are necessary indeed. #INDEED!!!!! That's where I messed up the first time I tried PBL. Not one assessment for a 4 week project. We got to the end and every single project looked like (insert gif)! #PBLchat
  • funkdaddytweet Feb 20 @ 8:53 PM EST
    The “main course vs dessert” PBL argument in your book was the first of my sacred cows to be slaughtered in your book. It gave me food for thought. #MultiplePunsIntended #PBLChat
    In reply to @mmcdowell13
  • dpopulo001 Feb 20 @ 8:54 PM EST
    Have you thought about putting it in their hands? Prove to me that you understand xyz. Depending on the standards and skills, of course. #pblchat
    In reply to @John_P_McKenney, @newtechnetwork
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  • newtechnetwork - Moderator Feb 20 @ 8:55 PM EST
    I think we've all been there! #PBLchat
    In reply to @andredaughty
  • kbrasfield80 Feb 20 @ 8:55 PM EST
    A4: I use benchmarks and assessments as checkpoints to determine workshops and which skills need to be reinforced #PBLchat
    In reply to @newtechnetwork
  • PhilippJoey Feb 20 @ 8:55 PM EST
    That’s awesome! Student love to know what they know #PBLchat
    In reply to @mrssheilaorr
  • MsCSLow Feb 20 @ 8:56 PM EST
    We need to do lunch or something. #PBLChat #PBLisLife
    In reply to @funkdaddytweet
  • funkdaddytweet Feb 20 @ 8:56 PM EST
    In fact, here’s a bit of a deeper dive into how I wrapped my head around scaffolding for this very reason. #PBLChat https://t.co/NxiBEN7PSz
    In reply to @MsCSLow
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  • dpopulo001 Feb 20 @ 8:56 PM EST
    FAIL stands for First Attempt In Learning! #pblchat
    In reply to @andredaughty
  • newtechnetwork - Moderator Feb 20 @ 8:59 PM EST
    Q6: You guys are amazing! What are your takeaways? #PBLchat