Let's get started with the FIRST #EduGladiators chat of 2018!
Today we start our "Rethinking Discipline" series with guests @kristavenza@jt2510 kicking things off!
But first, roll call!
Who's here?
Share your name & how/where you 'gladiate' 4 Ss!
Good morning! Jonathan Treese here, gues moderator, Dean of Students for Middle Level Education, former Social Studies teacher, Constant Learner #EduGladiators
Soooo glad you’re here Victor. I totally understand & have to make my coffee strong for #satchat & #bfc530 which is at the 6ish time for me. Glad to have you here! #EduGladiators
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Hi! Krista Venza, here, one of your guest moderators! I'm a former Middle School Instructional Support Facilitator, former MS Assistant Principal and now Elementary Principal. Can't wait to chat! #EduGladiators
#EduGladiators 👋🏼Serve as an Instructional Coach at Bartlett MS in Porterville, Ca. Recharged for Kids and ready to attack the day with enthusiasm when I return to school on Monday. 🔋
Let's get started with the FIRST #EduGladiators chat of 2018!
Today we start our "Rethinking Discipline" series with guests @kristavenza@jt2510 kicking things off!
But first, roll call!
Who's here?
Share your name & how/where you 'gladiate' 4 Ss!
A1: I spent three years working with students on behavioral modification at the HS level. Reflection, repair and opportunity to learn are highly dependent on the experience. Discipline is not something we do to students. It's something we help students develop. #EduGladiators
A1) At the admin level consequences are typically-lunch detentions, ISS (can be for 1 hour or a # of days), OSS (up to 10, after 10 super. approval). I don't think this discourages but with some recent changes we are moving in that direction. #EduGladiators
Anxious to here what is out there, what do you like that your school does, where do you want to improve? We have identified many flaws in our discipline. #EduGladiators
A1: Most punishments for behavior in schools still continue to be punitive. If you have a frequent flyer in ISS/Detention then obviously we need to dig deeper. Behavior = Be + HAVE. As #EduGladiators, we need to reflect if Ss basic needs are being met.
Jonathan from NY. I am a clinical psychologist and sometime school consultant/professional developer/trainer. My real day job is to prevent suicide at my local VA. I am also the co-author of EMPOWER Your Students. #edugladiators
A1: Consequences are the usual loss of recess, ISS, OSS, Detention, etc. Definitely does not discourage repeat behaviors for frequent flyers. Started doing positive office referrals this year. This has been a game changer. #edugladiators
A1 We are in flux right now. CHANGE is hard. Still doing some of the same old same old but exploring opportunities to connect behavior wih learning and Grace. #EduGladiators
A1. I am not a big fan of punitive punishment, so I like to use restorative practices. It’s important that the person that was harmed and the person doing the harm can come together in order to move things forward. #edugladiators
Q1: We have a system in place for minor/major student referrals. Three minors=one major and result in admin stepping in. They’re not meant to scare. Our principals step in to help find the root of the behavior issue and help redirect the student. #edugladiators
A1 Might not sound like a consequence, but there's nothing like a good face to face conversation, a chance for the student to tell their story, and begin to build a relationship. #EduGladiators
Typically you see detentions, lunch detentions or ISS. With some I fee it discourages, but with a select few of students it doesn’t. Those it doesn’t are your typical “repeat” offenders #EduGladiators
Yes, so important to allow administration the opportunity for positive relationships. As Dean, I was painted as the doom and gloom man far to often. Now, we utilize the consequence of time to always be teachable moments #EduGladiators
A1) At admin level, it could be detention or for very extreme, suspension. If there is a repeat in behavior, the child goes on matriculation & is watched closely. We r a private school, so it can be suggested to any family that another school might be a better fit. #EduGladiators
Greetings and good morning #EduGladiators John Carver here Chief Digital Learning and Innovation Officer, Maury County Schools TN. Blessed to work with @mgrosstaylor
A1: Reactive consequences: Detentions, ISS, OSS. We have a restorative room and once a week advisory groups (#SEL). Not sure how effective we are in deterring behavior. #middleschoolisspecial#EduGladiators
A1) detention, ISS, and suspension are offered but the primary goals are on reflecting on behaviors and attempting to prevent them from manifesting further #edugladiators
A1 My school uses “reflective conversations” (read: shaming), calls home, detentions, suspensions, zeroes—all of which might get a particular student to stop doing a particular behavior but makes school more aversive and leads to more avoidance. #edugladiators
A1. Our school focuses on building positive relationships..I think we concentrate on recognizing the error than recognizing the positive #EduGladiators
A1: consequences vary but we most often use restorative practices - clarifying what happened, who was affected and what needs to happen to repair the relationships. Always looking to improve but can be very effective. #EduGladiators
A1: The intent is on restoring relationships and repairing harm, but the time and effort is not always there. We often rush to make things better or solve problems, instead of giving the time truly needed for reflection and these convos. #edugladiators
A1: Natural and logical consequences are the most effective. Punitive never fixes a behavior, or changes the child’s understanding of the need to replace the undesirable behavior. #edugladiators
Since consequence is necessary, we decided to sell S's and parents on the fact the only "consequence" we use is time, the way we use that time is always to reteach and reflect.... We are seeing good Results @kristavenza#EduGladiators
When we make assumptions before finding out a student's story, we show a lack of empathy and understanding. Find the root cause and build a relationship is always better than punitive measures. #edugladiators
A1 Sometimes punitive consequences are unavoidable due to our policies, but at the admin level, we work hard to build those relationships with those students & parents. We do a lot of peer meetings to resolve conflict. We invested the time early in the year! #EduGladiators
A1: I spent three years working with students on behavioral modification at the HS level. Reflection, repair and opportunity to learn are highly dependent on the experience. Discipline is not something we do to students. It's something we help students develop. #EduGladiators
Agreed! As the Dean in an elem school, I’d walk into a room and everyone froze! Eventually that subsided a bit. The kids loved me but knew not to get in trouble cause they’d have to come see me! #EduGladiators
I've bee working hard to change the culture of our building. We just implemented Peacemakers as a route to student lead conflict resolution. #edugladiators
A1) we have the learning center. If students need a break, are in a conflict, or are unstable to learn students are attend the learning center to process emotions, problem solve decsisions, and plan for reentry to their schedule. Along with academic support. #EduGladiators
A1- as an administrator, this is a tough one. We try and do positive behavior interventions but I’d have to say most of the disciplines are punitive and probably aren’t as effective as I’d like. I can’t wait to see what some of you guys do. #EduGladiators
A1: 1st we have a conversation. Emphasize that life is about choices - some good and some bad. That convo can lead to more formal consequences like lunch detention, in-School restriction or restriction to site. #EduGladiators
We see very few students learn or improve from the OSS, trying to create sacred time with our at risk students, we can't reach them when they are out of the building! #EduGladiators@kristavenza
So important to point those behaviors/moments out! For some, it will be the only time during they day they hear positive reinforcement & praise. #EduGladiators
#edugladiators Our district uses reflective questioning to discourage repeat behaviors: What did I do? What core ethcal value did I violate? What can I do differently next time?
Totally agree! It’s easy to simply assign ISS or Detention, but our Ss deserve #Edugladiators who intentionally puts them first & takes the time to talk/learn/build relationship with them.
A1: Consequences alone will not stop inappropriate behaviors. We have to replace the negative behavior with the appropriate behavior by teaching the child how to respond in difficult situations. #EduGladiators
After manning the detention hallfor 2 yrs & seeing the same Ss there almost everyday, we decided to try something different when we opened our school. #EduGladiators
A2) Barriers-handbooks not updated, the consequences in the handbook do not lead to reflection and learning, many think there needs to be harsh punishment or want the S out of the class. #EduGladiators
A1. Verbal discussions, calls from teacher, restorative justice, in class suspension (students spending a day with work in another class across grade level) , Alternative Learning Center (ALC) which is often utilized as work recovery/support, list goes on. #EduGladiators
A1: Our Ts are given opportunities for support, coaching, reflection and the repair of damaged relationships, implemented with a comprehensive proactive approach, as with our Ss #EduGladiators
A1: From what I have noticed, conversations are the biggest "consequence" a few kids have received in school suspensions for serious infractions but nothing punitive. I think it shows that there is a natural consequence but that you can come back from it #EduGladiators
A1: We allow Ss time to calm down, come away from their immediate situation, reflect on their actions, share why their choice was not preferred, (how their choice might have been harmful to self &/or others), & what they would choose in the future - as well as why
#EduGladiators
Yes!!!! @JABracamontes This is the best practice in working along side students. Build on the relationships and understanding the student and behavior will lead to the most effective form of behavior modification.
#EduGladiators@CHARACTERplus
A2: Sometimes it takes a bit for the natural consequence to appear. We tend to want to intervene and stop the behavior or fix it before the logical consequence surfaces. #Edugladiators
A2- Staffing is an issue for many parts of education, not only having the available person, but having a consistency to make these teachable moments meaningful and productive #EduGladiators
A1) For my program I use a balance of restorative practice and natural consequences. Responses to discipline should be close to natural life consequences with processing, a plan, and a fresh start. #EduGladiators
Ss may need a break... but we often don't let them take one. So important to recognize and praise students for knowing themselves/their needs, and letting them do what they need to do to reset and refocus. #EduGladiators
A2: Barriers would be not having a supportive admin or PBIS team at your school. Class size is an issue for me at times...I have 29 in a class at a time so it’s tricky to find that time to have that discussion while managaing the other 28 staying on task #edugladiators
A1b: I see a lot (I’m guilty of this) discipline from the negative. Instead I think it might be more beneficial to lead/discipline from an attitude of “belief” rather than frustration. Idea from @GrowingLeaders I’ve been trying #EduGladiators
A2: Mindset would be the biggest barrier in many school districts. Despite unsuccessful attempts to change behavior, there's still belief that consequences must automatically be applied when there is misbehavior. #EduGladiators
A1: We have in school restriction rooms where we can send students in order to reset. I have found it is successful as long as you had a conversation with students about their behavior afterward. Reflection and restoration are essential. #EduGladiators
#EduGladiators#Satchat if students are engaged/empowered in their learning, behavior problems melt away. Relationships+Passions+sense of purpose=engagement+achievement. Move from "have to” to “want to”.
Perfect approach, allowing the students opportunity to reflect and learn. Shocked at how it has improved communication skills in some of our students #EduGladiators
A1: We allow Ss time to calm down, come away from their immediate situation, reflect on their actions, share why their choice was not preferred, (how their choice might have been harmful to self &/or others), & what they would choose in the future - as well as why
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Natural consequences can have a powerful effect. The key is often delivery and that comes with putting time and effort into building a relationship with students that struggle managing their own behavior. #EduGladiators
A1: I am always wary of interventions without context. I am a big fan of FBA's which seek to identify the consequences maintaining problem behavior. #edugladiators
Good morning everyone, Ken here, MS principal from Harrisburg PA (BIG Steeler Fan) looking forward to sharing some thoughts on student discipline!#EduGladiators
@k_callahan4 yes for negative behavior, the names with checks leads to consequences, chill zones, focus rooms, phone calls home or office referrals #edugladiators
A2: I would say that the biggest barriers are changing the mindset of some of our staff and community. They want action because it "worked for them when they were kids." Our barriers include poverty and inconsistent home lives.#EduGladiators
A1 At our school for the past 20 years we've worked with reflections - no punishment, no rewards & it works so well.
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A1: Building healthy, strong, trusting relationships allows us to address conflict and difficult behaviour in ways that still maintain the dignity of the people involved...mutual respect is key. #EduGladiators
A2. Time. Building genuine, meaningful relationships takes time. Finding the time can often be a barrier. It needs to be priority 1 however. #EduGladiators
A2: Educators being set in, "But this is how we did discipline/consequences/etc. when I was younger or when I started teaching". It's all about mindset. It takes a lot of time and work to help people see the benefits of restorative discipline. #edugladiators
A2- time seems to be the biggest barrier to me. We want to handle this one and on he the next. When, in fact, if we’d spend a little more time on the front end, we might not have to see them again. #EduGladiators
A2: Mindset would be the biggest barrier in many school districts. Despite unsuccessful attempts to change behavior, there's still belief that consequences must automatically be applied when there is misbehavior. #EduGladiators
A2: Time, space, and adults who believe Ss should rationalize and behave like adults & when the Ss don’t, they should b punished like adults. #EduGladiators
A2 Certain infractions by state laws and coded tie our hands in reference to consequences. Proactivity with relationship building early and often is key. You can "bank" on those relationships later when you need to go thru the restorative process with students. #EduGladiators
Which is why it's good for teachers to have a buddy system so that a student can temporarily go to a different environment to reflect on behavior until a teacher can have a conversation. It's not needed often but nice to have in place. #edugladiators
#1. People have energy. Lousy organizations drain it.
#2. Energy flows toward meaningful action.
#3. Energy increases with clarity and forward movement.
#4. Leaders impact energy. Foolish leaders suck the life out of people.
https://t.co/gOKFDUKvSP#leadership
A2: Taking time away from the rest of the class to help just one S. I am blessed to have an amazing aide and we can usually nip neg. behaviors before they escalate. #EduGladiators
A1: At Sequoia HS in Visalia they have embraced Restorative Practices which focuses on repairing & rebuilding relationships & everyone plays a role in understanding the impact, the process, & working towards positive outcomes. #DisciplineThatRestores#EduGladiators
Lauren be sure to connect with our guest mods @kristavenza@jt2510 offline. I’m sure they can give you some ideas to help your school pivot. #EduGladiators
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@LaurenPorosoff, @kristavenza, @jt2510
A1: Punitive discipline does not work. When students act disrespectfully let’s not consequence by just having them sit in silence after school; let’s teach them how awesome it feels to be kind & respectful people. This wall is one of my favorite interventions! : ) #edugladiators
We're involved in a new program that is becoming widespread. Can't remember the name but it reminds me of #loveandlogic Certainly supports positive beh mod
A2: Lack knowledge on social history of kids. It’s imperative to dig into their history in order to help them overcome their socially unacceptable behaviors, and replace them with those that are socially accepted. #edugladiators
A1. Based on the infraction, we determine the disciplinary action. We do a lot social-emotional work first that includes 1:1 talks with our scholars, mediation, detention with a champion, assign mentors, and host parent conferences. #EduGladiators
Good morning, Tyler HS admin w/Pickerington.
A1:my kids in some cases have run the course of traditional school punishments. They come to @PickAltSchool I pull the kids aside and talk about the action. We have traditional susp offenses but we work through the issue
#EduGladiators
A2: getting students to see 1: the consequences of their behaviors but also 2: getting the “repeat” offenders to see “I’m capable of leading positively” and y’all believing in them that way and not being the “bad” student #EduGladiators
A2 Antiquated policies and beliefs. The expectation of "respect" to often drives punitive discipline. It's important but there is always something more behind the scenes. #EduGladiators
A2 We don’t often take the time to learn what the student was trying to accomplish through the behavior, what their values are, what replacement behavior would better serve the student’s values and the community, and how the student can heal the harm. #EduGladiators
A1 Might not sound like a consequence, but there's nothing like a good face to face conversation, a chance for the student to tell their story, and begin to build a relationship. #EduGladiators
I've really tried to focus on natural and logical consequences this year. Taking time to talk to my Ss & really understand the situation is important. I hate color/clip moving & writing referrals. #EduGladiators
Instead of a discipline referral procedure, we begin using a corrective model procedure to re-mediate behaviors. At times, Ss make incorrect decisions, correcting that behavior so it doesn't happen again is the goal! Adults should MODEL the behavior they expect. #EduGladiators
A2: Immediately searching for consequences can detract us from the much more important objective of teaching and helping students learn from their mistakes. Disciplining is about finding the teachable moment.
#EduGladiators
That's great Victor! Who works with the students during this time while they are calming down and then support them during the reflection piece? #edugladiators
A2: kids often don’t realize the impact their actions have on others. It’s also difficult to identify the root cause of the behavior. You can’t correct the behavior until you understand WHY it’s happening. #EduGladiators
The month of January is all about rethinking discipline and relationships. We even have one on restorative justice, please please join us. #EduGladiators
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A2 A barrier that prevents Ss growing through consequences is oftentimes the consequence is being DONE to or levied upon the child, insread of the child taking ownership for their behavior in some way. #edugladiators
A2- There is such an importance for logical consequences, I am guilty of always wanting to intervene to avoid issues for my staff or other students. Logical consequences are sometimes are most creative approach and provide ways to repair relationships often #EduGladiators
A2: truthfully the eye for an eye old school mentality that some Ts still have. When admin is trying to build a school culture some times the "old guard" is resistant to the less punitive thinking. Learning the Love and Logic approach has been interesting for me #EduGladiators
A2. Appropriate staffing as well as appropriate teacher training. Adults have to remember part of our job is to teach behavior as well as academics. Would teachers want to be treated the way they treat their students at times? #EduGladiators
A2: Philosophies of admin and T’s that still have a punitive mindset negative (yelling) response to behavior. How we respond to kids dictates their response and emotional control level. #EduGladiators
A1) cont... The word discipline comes from the same root as disciple, which means to teach or train. I try to make sure discipline out of my office includes some teaching. #EduGladiators
A2: Continually modeling tolerance and acceptance is tough! Other kids must see that we are not irritated or “put out” with a child. This quickly labels disruptive kids as “the bad kids”. That is so damaging. #edugladiators
We have to remove this idea that removing the student is the best for the student. When you change the environment, you change the variables. #EduGladiators
#EduGladiators School policy can interfere with restorative justice. It’s a fine line between upholding the school policy and being consistent and allowing students an opportunity to learn from their mistake.
A2: When discipline is given without conversation. When I was disciplined as a child I was told why and my parents put in place a plan to prevent the behavior from being repeated. When we don’t do that for our students discipline isn’t restorative like it should be #EduGladiators
A2 Time is a factor, follow through and consistency, making changes can be challenging, especially when you always had a system for behaviors, by the book, and now look to change #edugladiators
A2- There is such an importance for logical consequences, I am guilty of always wanting to intervene to avoid issues for my staff or other students. Logical consequences are sometimes are most creative approach and provide ways to repair relationships often #EduGladiators
That's awesome, Jay, to support your staff like that! Some conversations just take more time but are crucial to help students move forward. #edugladiators
A2) Agree with other saying ‘time’ - to build relationships, develop a plan with Ss, learn new habits, practice habits and reflect along the way #EduGladiators
A2. As a teacher, I think it's important then that there's consistency from room to room...or Ss are getting mixed messages. We're working on this TY..#EduGladiators
Absolutely agree, and the relationships are key, it really bothers me when I cannot find a way to connect w/Ss and be able to talk through behaviors, work together #edugladiators
And contrary to popular belief, this IS our responsibility. We can be actively involved in making our Ss lives better or not. If not, we will get the same outcomes EVERY DAY #Edugladiators
A2b: I also believe we have a major barrier when kids have not been taught/shown how to reflect and be mindful. We must guide them and cannot expect that they will naturally have those introspective skills needed to "fix" whatever their issue may be. #edugladiators
This👆🏾👆🏾👆🏾👆🏾👆🏾👆🏾! Critical staff level sets on discipline philosophy & creates a plan together to address needs of Ss not just punish them. Again, Behave = Be + Have. Our job to find what the Ss are missing. #EduGladiators
@EduGladiators@kristavenza Consequence=time in our approach, staff believe students must serve some sort of time for their action, we are focusing on how to best use that time to reteach, reflect, and rebuild relationships, you said it best, The Teachable Moment #EduGladiators
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@MrCharlesMartin, @EduGladiators, @kristavenza
I think it is important to point out that behavior is an extension of your enthusiasm and expectations which gives you the power to enhance relationships in your classroom. #EduGladiators
A2: Another big barrier is lack of PD in what restorative practices looks like, how they work, why they work, how to have conversations and circles, etc. We assume staff will understand/know, but we need to help them to - just like with our students! #edugladiators
A2: When discipline is given without conversation. When I was disciplined as a child I was told why and my parents put in place a plan to prevent the behavior from being repeated. When we don’t do that for our students discipline isn’t restorative like it should be #EduGladiators
A2: because I see so many faces in the art room, it's hard to keep up with every teacher's classroom management style. Ss with clipboards, Ss who have a notebook I have to sign, Ss who need breaks, Ss who are allowed to have toys with them. It's a lot. #edugladiators
A2: There's too much reliance on specialists to come in and assess and evaluate. I'd like to see more local expertise where teachers are empowered to develop functionally appropriate interventions. #edugladiators
We often do what is quick (punishment) with discipline than finding the root cause--which takes longer but is an investment in long-term changes in the student #EduGladiators#teachergoals
A2: Lack knowledge on social history of kids. It’s imperative to dig into their history in order to help them overcome their socially unacceptable behaviors, and replace them with those that are socially accepted. #edugladiators
Question someone might ask is, "How can I apply the Code of Conduct fairly while also facilitating a meaningful life lesson for this particular student?" Does this happen enough in our schools? #edugladiators
A3) I would love to have PD on restorative justice, with our population I think that RJ would be a perfect fit. I believe that is something that should happen! #EduGladiators
A3: Professional Development would be a good start. Perhaps seeing other non-punitive behavioral management systems working successfully. #EduGladiators
Wow this chat is on fire, difficult to keep up. Two tweetdeck columns one for scrolling one to see the latest post. Keep the thoughts flowing fellow #edugladiators
A2: I find that as with any implementation, when ALL of the adults don’t have buy-in or there are inconsistency it impacts behaviors and disciplinary outcomes. #EduGladiators
A2: Awareness, too often a cursory conversation, more about being proactive in communicating and building positive relationships of mutual respect #EduGladiators
Yes! When I hear the conversations about "Why a student is not gone," I get uneasy because that's the last resort, and sometimes your hands are tied. I want all students in the building every day learning! #EduGladiators
We have to remove this idea that removing the student is the best for the student. When you change the environment, you change the variables. #EduGladiators
A2: student buy-in and maturity. Students have to be willing to see their part and reflect on their actions. Maturity can be an issue with the buy-in and ability to reflect.
#EduGladiators
I have the utmost respect for administrators who work to address behavioural and emotional issues with Ss on a daily basis...it cannot be easy to completely avoid punitive measures...and yet we know they may not be very effective. #EduGladiators
We have building this for 3 years, every building needs an administrator vocal in support, and a great committee of teachers who are passionate about it. Also, we try to reward our staff, a lot. I feel your pain, but we keep building! #EduGladiators
A3: All about training, you can't understand new things without being given the basics and building from there. Provide the science and work from that point #edugladiators
We often do what is quick (punishment) with discipline rather
than finding the root cause--which takes longer but is an investment in long-term changes in the student #EduGladiators#teachergoals
A2: Lack knowledge on social history of kids. It’s imperative to dig into their history in order to help them overcome their socially unacceptable behaviors, and replace them with those that are socially accepted. #edugladiators
A2: biggest barrier is likely working w/ Ss & adults who are more comfortable w/ historically traditional forms of consequences for "bad behavior" & helping them to understand & accept why the S in question is not "being punished" or "getting off easy" for choice.
#EduGladiators
A2 it takes proper development because it doesn’t come as natural for some people. Additionally, lack of commitment to develop teachers (as instructors) will make it very challenging to develop them as leaders who can compel students to think about their decisions. #Edugladiators
A2: Accepting the status quo is toxic and we’re often our own biggest enemies when it comes to implementing meaningful discipline/consequences. Let’s be thoughtful, strategic, loving & use the great brains/hearts we were given to help kids be the best they can be! #edugladiators
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A2: Greatest challenge is thinking we have to address Ss behavior by ourselves! It takes a village to teach children & Discipline is part of the teaching job. We need ample resources including behavior & mental health specialists to support Ss & Ts. #EduGladiators
A3: We started a Building Leadership Team this year. Right now it is just staff. We want to begin including students on our committee. Our BLT team gave teachers a voice and this has greatly helped discipline and culture. #edugladiators
A3: we work at our school to use more of a “progressive discipline” system. The kids don’t strike out on the first try, but get to learn from their mistakes as the day goes along. From our wonderful principal @jobro22#EduGladiators
We often do what is quick (punishment) with discipline rather than finding the root cause--which takes longer but is an investment in long-term changes in the student #EduGladiators#teachergoals
A2: Lack knowledge on social history of kids. It’s imperative to dig into their history in order to help them overcome their socially unacceptable behaviors, and replace them with those that are socially accepted. #edugladiators
A1: We begin using a corrective model procedure to re-mediate behaviors. Our responsibility is using an approach to correct behaviors so that it doesn't happen again. Adults should also MODEL the behavior they expect. #EduGladiators
A3) I'd say better training for Ts and admin on how to create a climate that reduces misbehavior; how to listen to Ss & conduct natural & logical consequences..Oh, & how to conduct class meetings. #edugladiators
A3 TRAINING & GRACE. It takes NO $$ to love a child. We have to have a significant change in our beliefs system. Value students as people first. #EduGladiators
A3: OH.MY.GOSH! Trauma-Informed Schools by @SporLin ! It gives practical, step-by-step, suggestions for implementing the trauma-informed best practices. #EduGladiators
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@EduGladiators, @kristavenza, @jt2510, @SporLin
Also important to note that our attitude toward kids sets them up for success or failure. We need to drop kids reputations at the door and give them a new chance everyday! #edugladiators
A2) The volume of referrals I receive. Restorative practices, and reflection take time. I have been told that, at times, I take too long with my students when they are in my office, but bldg. relationships is work! #EduGladiators
We have building this for 3 years, every building needs an administrator vocal in support, and a great committee of teachers who are passionate about it. Also, we try to reward our staff, a lot. I feel your pain, but we keep building! #EduGladiators
If research says students in lecture classes don't do well if they have laptops, here's a simple solution: Stop being the talking head. Throw out the lecture class.
#satchat
A3) I would love to have PD on restorative justice, with our population I think that RJ would be a perfect fit. I believe that is something that should happen! #EduGladiators
A3: A book club for staff would be great! If everyone read a book about restorative practices, came together to discuss it and & it would help to infuse these practices and mindsets into the community. #edugladiators
That's an awesome step, every staff wants to have a voice, because they are passionate about what they do. Cooperative work on school culture has benefited us also #EduGladiators
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A3: I think a change in mindset is more required than resources. There are still many believing that punishment is the best way to change behaviour, despite research saying the contrary.
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Great point! Time, staffing... all of these things make it difficult to make discipline more than students just "serving their time." We all see repeat "offenders" in the typical set up... must not be working! Time to make changes! #EduGladiators
A3 We can improve student behavior by asking them questions to help them assess how well their behaviors work and encourage values-consistent change. #EduGladiators
A3: This is a mindset shift. Ts need training and support throughout the year to ensure this change is happening. Admin needs to show and model, and a clear system needs to be in place and communicated. Hold all Ts accountable to follow it and see its purpose. #edugladiators
A3: Professional development is essential! It gives Ts the tools they need and helps them to reflect on their practice. More times than none adults realize that their behavior reflects similarly to those of children who they would want to suspend. #EduGladiators
A4) Wow deep Q! Many need a complete mindshift, need our Ts to be educated in what happens to the S with the current consequences vs opp. to learn. Many need to visually see it. #EduGladiators
A3 My wish list of additional resources: one more counselor, 4 more special educators so more full inclusion rooms (same co-teaching pair all day long in the same room) can be created, and a behavior specialist to go with your Dean. I'd be happy with this to start #EduGladiators
A3 We have to consistently put in time to train our Ts to manage behavior without punishment. It's new to them & at first they don't trust it. If we don't take time for training, it doesn't work #edugladiators
Yes Brent! We tend to think ont new Ts need PD on Classroom Management but all of us need continued PD to support Ss as they evolve & their behavior reflects those changes. #ironsharpensiron#EduGladiators
A2) continued.... #EduGladiators - Ss need to be explicitly taught the skills to make them successful in behavioral and disciplinary areas. Respect, direction following, listening, making positive choices, etc.
A3 The chance to seriously come together to develop something that benefits students and staff as well as a real opportunity to debrief after an incident. #EduGladiators
A3: sitting down with ur team and deciding how to handle different situations based on a traditional punitive model and its impact versus a nontraditional approach and its impact. Itd be important to later look at the data to compare.
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A3 Support staff that is trained, space available, time to work together and share resources, come up with ways to help support students #edugladiators
A3: It heavily depends on the culture and mindset of the school as a whole. It can take some time to build the belief system on how discipline and relationships with kids should look and feel like. #edugladiators
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A1: We begin using a corrective model procedure to re-mediate behaviors. Our responsibility is using an approach to correct behaviors so that it doesn't happen again. Adults should also MODEL the behavior they expect. #EduGladiators
A4: We did a book study on Mindset: The New Psychology to Success. We have about 90% participation. It has changed our culture tremendously. #edugladiators
Love this! I always have my Ts try 5 things and call home before they send a Ss to the office. As Principal, my call gone should never be the first call to parents & first time parents are brought into convo of their child’s behavior. #EduGladiators
A4) More training. Ts taking charge & setting the example. It might have to come from bottom up, but it must start somewhere. Our Ss deserve it. #edugladiators
A3: continue to find ways to model and reflect on best practices. Sometimes it can be as simple as a constructive conversation among staff or smaller groups of what our vision is in regards to student behavior. Anything to up buy-in #edugladiators
A3: It takes a community effort...educators, parents, support staff and students all being on the same page when it comes to understanding and supporting meaningful strategies that improve S behaviour. Inconsistency and apathy work against the process! #edugladiators
Agreed! If the cause for the "bad behavior" is not addressed and worked through, it is bound to be repeated! It's definitely a mindshift for many to get to the point where it is accepted. Let's keep trying to get to that point! #edugladiators
As adults, we have to understand that children will have a response/reaction to undesired situations just as we do, it just manifests itself in a different way. There is a time for consequences, but there is a time for understanding and guidance. #EduGladiators
In Sat. detention our S's complete "learning packets." They are intended to supports student reflection on behavior (and a lrn. opportunity). The key though is the follow up conversation around the S's responses. #EduGladiators
A4 1st-Treating Facuty in the same manner we expect them to treat the Ss. An unwavering expectation that PEOPLE be treated in non-demeaning and appropriate ways with language and behaviors. Model first. #EduGladiators
A3: It heavily depends on the culture and mindset of the school as a whole. It can take some time to build the belief system on how discipline and relationships with kids should look and feel like. #edugladiators
Yes, yes, yes, and yes, I have been in the ISS teacher role, it was a great opportunity to build consistency and work cooperatively with teachers. A curriculum for discipline can go a long way #EduGladiators
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A3: This may sound radical but would training in Motivational Interviewing, ACT, DBT or behavior therapy in general be of help? What would happen if this expertise was taught as a part of teacher training? #EduGladiators
A4: People need to see things to believe them. Share the positive stories of Ss, relationships, etc. improving. Shout them out, post pics in your halls, share stories in pd, newsletters. Ask Ts to share how restorative practices have changed their relationships! #edugladiators
A1: ISS, expulsion. I believe that Ss need to be in class. However, if they are a danger to themselves or others, they do need to be removed until they are calm enough to return. That's why it's so important that eVERY child has at least one caring, supportive adult at school.
Followed @mrbgilson over and blown away by this chat! A3: we are starting a Mentor Program after Winter Break to build relationships with our Beloved Rascals. #EduGladiators
A4: My school is there I think. Taking it beyond the students and looking at Ts, When employees that make mistakes are punitively punished it impacts the culture and I have now seen the power in learning from mistakes in a non-punitive way. It applies to everyone #EduGladiators
A2: One of the biggest barriers is RELATIONSHIPS with your Ss! Having a good relationship and Ss know that you genuinely care about their well-being, Ss will understand and accept their consequences and reflect on their actions. #EduGladiators
Getting parents on board with the culture is key. I need to do more to invite parents in to join the discussion. When s's get a positive office referral we call home. It has worked very well to build relationships when s's do make mistakes. #edugladiators
A4: We have to provide training for our parents/community as well when we are Rethinking Discipline. Parents tend to “parent” how they were raised which in the day was usually punitive. Have to stem our greatest allies w/strategies & resources to help their child. #EduGladiators
A3: Restorative language and circle trainings, training facilitators, sharing the process with the community, building the culture-not so much $, time and energy well spent! #EduGladiators
@kristavenza We have started using reflection in all of our consequences, lunch detentions, after school detentions, activity restrictions. Right now, we seem bound to serving the time, but are def improving how that time is used. #EduGladiators
A4: More exposure to alternatives that work. Full staff articulation to ensure that everyone's voice is heard. District support and commitment to the process. It won't happen overnight but if schools are patient and persistent it can happen. #EduGladiators
A3: Absolutely... the challenge is changing the mindset so that Ss and adults can move past the traditional punitive "serve your time" discipline model that everyone is used to. Too many "repeat offenders" to say that this works! #EduGladiators
A4. Share, share, share. People need to be exposed to stories, articles, examples, experiences. The more these occur the the more the work moves and genuine buy in occurs. #EduGladiators
It's really just like going on academic probation. The student is watched carefully & is "at risk". If behavior continues, the student can be asked to leave the school. #edugladiators
A4: we have the mind set. We punish are kids and that could be a wrap on their school career. My teachers have a relationship w/ each kid and know what each one needs. I have tried implementing more dialogue time to resolve matters so each side can be heard.
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A4) #EduGladiators - We are moving in this direction. Truly. But EVERYONE needs to be on board with best practices and this mindset. This takes time, training and a team that works together to set parameters.
I wish I had THE answer to this ? because I struggle w/this daily. what would help is if Ts who do believe this way, who let Ss start over, who recognize behaviors as learned not innate, would speak up to their colleagues and share ideas. If not, it’s admin vs Ts. #EduGladiators
A4: Courageous conversations are the only way to shift mindsets. We need to understand that our staff may not know other options to help children learn to behave. We can't be punitive in our approach. #EduGladiators
A4: Our decisions need to be based on facts. The research is there to demonstrate that teaching kids has more impact than simply giving them meaningless consequences. Our role is to educate ourselves/each other and based our decisions on facts, not myths.
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A3: our most effective resource is, by far, having one of our superstar @SFUnified#SchoolSocialWorkers, HANON LING,working 0.5 at @sfusdCEC. In a more ideal world, we'd have him FULL-TIME. In an ideal world, each&every sch would have a full-time sch social worker
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A4: An emphasis on helping students to connect their behavior with their own values and aspirations can go a long way towards transforming behavior that is a problem for the community to prosocial behavior. #edugladiators
I like this idea. Maybe the next time a T sends a S out of class I will take over the class and ask the T to start working on repairing the situation. If they are willing of course. #EduGladiators
A3 Implementing a system where Ss 1st have a chance to correct their behavior b4 punitive consequences occur is key. @GMSfalcon 's discipline system was inspired by the Essential 55 @ronclarkacademy Often Ss self-report their 1st rule break w/out my prompting! #edugladiators
A3: Culture is critical. We have to confront difficult truths (each school is different so whatever they are), have the difficult conversations and grow in a way where greatness can be pursued together. #edugladiators
A3: One of the most helps training my gen ed Ts experienced was Restrant Training for SPED. I encouraged & paid stipends for all to train. They realized restraint was LAST STEP & learned numerous strategies Sped Ts use everyday to prevent restraint. #EduGladiators
A4: Time to shift the mindset to a Whole Child Approach and equip our Ss with the skills they will need to be successful all around. 🎓tip to @justintarte#EduGladiators
A4: It’s takes the community, to shift the community. Administration, teacher leaders, and students should be part of the process of establishing school-wide non-negotiables for behaviors, generating campaigns, and determine incentives. #EduGladiators
A4. If someone can tell me how a kid sitting at home playing xbox is a better outcome then them learning to treat people right + work to rebuild relationship I would like to hear it. Being punitive sends the message that your not wanted here and you don’t belong. #edugladiators
A3: An RJ Coordinator and Department, An experienced and intelligent group of individuals who work to support Socio-Emotional needs, as well as a ton of adults that mentor and establish supportive relationships with students... Punitive isn't meant to sting here #edugladiators
A4: have to work with any Ts who still cling to the idea of "what was done to this child to keep them from doing this again?" We must instill a mindset of "what are we doing for this child to help them not repeat this behavior?" #EduGladiators
So true. Future goals for me include getting community leaders in the school to find out what the community needs are and learn how the school can support them. My goal is for the school to be a resource for our rural community. #EduGladiators
A4: It’s takes the community, to shift the community. Administration, teacher leaders, and students should be part of the process of establishing school-wide non-negotiables for behaviors, generating campaigns, and determine incentives. #EduGladiators
Focus on each child, invest-build relationships, when students have ownership of learning & a clear purpose they will engage with Ts who invest in them- build the notion of a community of learners- all Ss/Ts with hopes & expectations as well as fear & insecurities #edugladiators
What an important #EduGladiators topic today! Thank you for sharing evreyone. We can make a positive change on this topic #NOW Value the person first then address the behavior. Have a great week.
I would encourage them to take you up on your offer. It is a powerful message for the students and the teacher that you are willing to step in. #EduGladiators
The more things change...I see Restorative Justice / Practices as newly branded form of Love and Logic (and similar programs). Thoughts? #edugladiators
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A3: Greatest resources we can invest in are relationships & can also be as inexpensive as a large letter I proudly displayed for my Ss. 📝Communicating my Why was 🔑so Ss understood that everything I thought & acted on was because I cared about their success. 🎓 #Edugladiators
I think all teachers, really anyone who works with children, needs to take the de escalation part of that training. Simply being able to recognize crisis escalation from defiance is a game changer! #EduGladiators
A4 Ts need to see restorative discipline in action to trust it. At first they don't believe it will work, & resort to old, familiar methods but with support, patience & training they get there. #EduGladiators
Yes, something that works cohesively with our PBS programming. We do the teaching on the front end, then our discipline curriculum would be about reflection and reteaching. I truly believe S's do not meet our expectations often because they need taught more #EduGladiators
Thank you so much for joining us this morning to talk about how to shift the mindset from traditional discipline to where we can promote positive behavior and responsibility for learning in order to help students make behavioral change. #EduGladiators Happy 2018!
What a fantastic start to 2018!!!! Many thanks to each of you for sharing this morning & Rethinking Discipline! Big kudoes to our guests moderators @kristavenza@jt2510 for thought provoking Qs! Be sure to follow these warriors!
A4: Encouragement to think outside the box, discussions in meetings on mindfulness, the whole child, role playing difficult behavior/emotional (social) situations encountered with staff input to help/model mindfulness responses. #EduGladiators
So, we keep the time as the "punishment" then implement curriculum. We have a RESULTS program that focuses on academics and behavior. S's reflect and are retaught. OSS hurts, we can't reach them when they are out! #EduGladiators
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Thanks all #Edugladiators for sharing insightful and meaningful ideas. Really cool to see all the mind shifters in this group truly passionate about kids and their development.
A4: teachers need to see that a restorative approach works. They have seen a punitive approach work in the past so they need to see that there can be a more effective way that will work #EduGladiators
A4: As adults our needs are not much different than those of of students - we’re just a few years further along on the journey. Adult mindsets shift with ongoing understanding, persistence, relationships and LOVE. #edugladiators#loveworks#joyfulleaders
A3 - there is no question that relationships and connections you make with your students is key to help students make positive behavioral choices and take responsibility for their learning! #EduGladiators
Thank you, @mgrosstaylor@EduGladiators for having us! We had a great time collaborating with amazing educators who believe in doing what is best for their students! Let's keep the conversation going in 2018! #EduGladiators
A3 :Focus and Reward the positive behaviors that are happening! Discipline issues have decreased bcuz our strategy is RECOGNIZE/REWARD positive behaviors. Reverse psy :). Ss love attention from adults, if they know that is how they can get, then they will do it! #EduGladiators
We have had around 35 discipline incidents for the year so far. That is down by over 50%. We recognize kids for positive behaviors through positive office referrals. They get to sign the positive office referral wall and we call their parents. #EduGladiators
A4: @sfusdCEC, we are fortunate to have staff trained & implementing #PBIS strategies. Our #nextstep is to better-implement @HarperforKids#PyramidofSuccess to help Ss understand their own agency in making choices that help them be successful! HIGHLY RECOMMENDED!!!
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A1: The behavioral consequences that we have are detention & parent shadow days. Yes, both strategies discourage repeat behaviors because students believe detention is dreadfully boring and they really hate having their parents follow them to every class all day.
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I like the parent shadow days. I don't. At the lower elementary level, many of our students would feel like this is a reward. 6th graders would hate it! #EduGladiators
A1: The behavioral consequences that we have are detention & parent shadow days. Yes, both strategies discourage repeat behaviors because students believe detention is dreadfully boring and they really hate having their parents follow them to every class all day.
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"Wouldn't it be great if every kid could _____?" Yes, yes it would. What are you going to do to get them there? You have to turn your windows in to mirrors sometimes. What do I need to do to help people reach their optimum effectiveness? Problem posed, problem solved. #leadupchat
A4: Time and Commitment of building a culture that understands & accepts responsibility for their actions: Administrators, Ts, staff, and Ss!
We all make mistakes and sometimes those mistakes have consequences: accept it, learn from it, & move on! #EduGladiators
