#IOLchat Archive

#IOLchat meets Wednesdays at 12PM ET to discuss trends and issues in online education.

Wednesday September 14, 2016
12:00 PM EDT

CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Sep 14 @ 12:01 PM EDT

Welcome to #IOLchat! Who is joining in today? Pls introduce yourself and your education connection.
jshamsy Sep 14 @ 12:02 PM EDT

#iolchat Hello Jennifer from ATL - online adjunct instructor and grad student
CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Sep 14 @ 12:03 PM EDT

@jshamsy Hello Jennifer! How is your week going? #iolchat
connortravisedu Sep 14 @ 12:03 PM EDT

#IOLchat my name is Connor, I am currently studying history with a focus in secondary education at Albright College
CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Sep 14 @ 12:04 PM EDT

@connortravisedu Hi Connor! Welcome to the chat. :) #iolchat
SarahJanetHill Sep 14 @ 12:04 PM EDT

Hi! I'm Sarah, I work for Old Dominion's Distance Learning program in Virginia (formerly lived in ATL!) #IOLchat
AssignmentHelpN Sep 14 @ 12:05 PM EDT

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CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Sep 14 @ 12:05 PM EDT

@SarahJanetHill Hello Sarah! Great to have you with us. :) #iolchat
CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Sep 14 @ 12:06 PM EDT

I'm @Melissa_Venable - online education advisor for @CenterOnlineEd, and an online adjunct - welcome, all! #iolchat
CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Sep 14 @ 12:07 PM EDT

Our first question is coming up ... #iolchat
CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Sep 14 @ 12:08 PM EDT

Q1) Are rubrics part of your current courses? If so, how are they used (e.g., every assignment)? #iolchat
jshamsy Sep 14 @ 12:09 PM EDT

A1) Yes they are used for assignments for grading - gives criteria and helps speed up grading a bit #iolchat
CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Sep 14 @ 12:10 PM EDT

@jshamsy You've got a double perspective on this perhaps - are #rubrics more useful as a student or instructor? #iolchat
jshamsy Sep 14 @ 12:11 PM EDT

@CenterOnlineEd I would say as an instructor -- I am lazy and not as good at looking at the rubric as much as a student #iolchat
connortravisedu Sep 14 @ 12:12 PM EDT

some will have 1 rubric for everything while other rubrics vary on assignment. Gives students a framework for what is expected #iolchat
CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Sep 14 @ 12:12 PM EDT

@jshamsy That is interesting! Not sure I would be motivated as a student either. And some rubrics seem to only "state the obvious" #iolchat
CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Sep 14 @ 12:13 PM EDT

@connortravisedu What are your thoughts as a student? Are some rubrics more helpful than others? Do you always review them? #iolchat
philosophypaul Sep 14 @ 12:13 PM EDT

@CenterOnlineEd #IOLchat A1 Yes, used in all courses. Inst. use is for summative assessment. However, aim to use for formative assessment
CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Sep 14 @ 12:14 PM EDT

@philosophypaul Hello, Paul! Thanks for inspiring this week's topic. :) #iolchat
jshamsy Sep 14 @ 12:15 PM EDT

@philosophypaul @CenterOnlineEd I agree -- I think students (if motivated) can use to throughout to guide to what is important #iolchat
massignmenthelp Sep 14 @ 12:15 PM EDT

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jshamsy Sep 14 @ 12:16 PM EDT

@philosophypaul @CenterOnlineEd However, all perfect world stuff and most race through the assignment as quickly as possible #iolchat
CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Sep 14 @ 12:16 PM EDT

@philosophypaul Can you tell us more about the formative assessment side of rubrics? #iolchat
connortravisedu Sep 14 @ 12:16 PM EDT

i love rubrics bc I know exactly what the teacher wants from me. Rubrics r more helpful when they r detailed not broad expectations #iolchat
jshamsy Sep 14 @ 12:17 PM EDT

@connortravisedu Agreed...can be a nice addition/supplement to the instructions -- they should be aligned #iolchat
CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Sep 14 @ 12:18 PM EDT

@connortravisedu Well said! Rubrics can really help clarify things. #iolchat
CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Sep 14 @ 12:18 PM EDT

@jshamsy @connortravisedu Excellent point about alignment - nothing worse than contradictory instructions and rubric. :( #iolchat
philosophypaul Sep 14 @ 12:19 PM EDT
Since we rely on Ss to create benchmark data starting w rubrics is a plus for all #IOLchat https://t.co/Jwstv4PIG7
- jshamsy Sep 14 @ 12:16 PM EDT
  
  @philosophypaul @CenterOnlineEd However, all perfect world stuff and most race through the assignment as quickly as possible #iolchat
CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Sep 14 @ 12:20 PM EDT

Q2) Who creates grading rubrics in online courses? Any recommended tools, strategies, improvements? #iolchat
philosophypaul Sep 14 @ 12:20 PM EDT
Rubrics should answer what expectations are and benchmarks. Yes. #IOLchat https://t.co/IsIgNXLdm3
- connortravisedu Sep 14 @ 12:16 PM EDT
  
  i love rubrics bc I know exactly what the teacher wants from me. Rubrics r more helpful when they r detailed not broad expectations #iolchat
philosophypaul Sep 14 @ 12:22 PM EDT
Yes. W papers/project allow rewrites and redos that strengthen areas the rubrics would flag #IOLchat https://t.co/JAHIyfiTIx
- CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Sep 14 @ 12:16 PM EDT
  
  @philosophypaul Can you tell us more about the formative assessment side of rubrics? #iolchat
CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Sep 14 @ 12:22 PM EDT
#IOLchat - Just having the #rubric in place may not be enough. Review it with your students! https://t.co/WjKuMx2n8u
- connortravisedu Sep 14 @ 12:20 PM EDT
  
  @CenterOnlineEd @jshamsy definitely. also makes it crucial for teachers to review their rubrics in class with students
philosophypaul Sep 14 @ 12:23 PM EDT

@CenterOnlineEd A2 Generally instructors, but students can also create. #IOLchat
CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Sep 14 @ 12:23 PM EDT

@philosophypaul Really like the idea of students as rubric creators, editors, contributors :) #iolchat
philosophypaul Sep 14 @ 12:24 PM EDT

@CenterOnlineEd Rubric review is part of formative assessment #IOLchat
CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Sep 14 @ 12:25 PM EDT

@philosophypaul I think this is a great practice, that may not be that common. #iolchat
jshamsy Sep 14 @ 12:25 PM EDT

Should be done during course design/development so that it is aligned and you are measuring what you want and need to measure #iolchat
CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Sep 14 @ 12:26 PM EDT

Side Q) Are your course #rubrics separate from or embedded in the #LMS? Does it matter? #iolchat
jshamsy Sep 14 @ 12:27 PM EDT

@connortravisedu @CenterOnlineEd This is a great point..and one I probably skip over a lot =( #iolchat
jshamsy Sep 14 @ 12:27 PM EDT

@CenterOnlineEd Embedded so I can use for grading - they can view through a .pdf #iolchat
CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Sep 14 @ 12:27 PM EDT

@jshamsy @connortravisedu Me, too! Am already thinking of a way to do this better, maybe combined w/video disc from a few weeks ago #iolchat
CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Sep 14 @ 12:28 PM EDT

@jshamsy Another area in which I need to improve! So many needs, so little time. #iolchat
philosophypaul Sep 14 @ 12:28 PM EDT

@CenterOnlineEd Side reply: Course rubrics are part of syllabus. Posted also. When using @Turnitin will embed rubrics. #IOLchat
pf60052 Sep 14 @ 12:29 PM EDT

hello, my first time here. #IOLchat
CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Sep 14 @ 12:29 PM EDT

@jshamsy @philosophypaul #IOLchat I think there's definitely a balance in there somewhere.
CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Sep 14 @ 12:29 PM EDT

@pf60052 Hello Jose and welcome to #IOLchat!
philosophypaul Sep 14 @ 12:29 PM EDT

@pf60052 Welcome #IOLchat Discussing rubrics today.
CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Sep 14 @ 12:31 PM EDT

Q3) The big question: Does "accomplished" on the #rubric mean students have learned something? What was intended? #iolchat
jshamsy Sep 14 @ 12:31 PM EDT

@philosophypaul @CenterOnlineEd They are all there..that is usually never the problem..just actually getting Ss to access them #iolchat
jshamsy Sep 14 @ 12:32 PM EDT

@CenterOnlineEd I don't think so...learning involves more than just doing something/checking a box #iolchat
philosophypaul Sep 14 @ 12:34 PM EDT

@CenterOnlineEd A3 Yes, No. Yes, Ss demonstrated competency or excellence. No, learning may entail more w applications & growth #IOLchat
AssignmentHelpN Sep 14 @ 12:35 PM EDT

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philosophypaul Sep 14 @ 12:35 PM EDT
Important: Posting fulfill legal obligation but may not make rubrics active, instructional. #IOLchat https://t.co/19vYENaY1E
- jshamsy Sep 14 @ 12:31 PM EDT
  
  @philosophypaul @CenterOnlineEd They are all there..that is usually never the problem..just actually getting Ss to access them #iolchat
connortravisedu Sep 14 @ 12:36 PM EDT

@jshamsy @CenterOnlineEd agree, students can tailor assignments around the rubric without benefiting from the assignment's purpose #iolchat
CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Sep 14 @ 12:36 PM EDT

@philosophypaul Obligation in an administrative checklist sort of way? I could definitely see that being the case in some courses. #iolchat
CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Sep 14 @ 12:38 PM EDT

@connortravisedu Kind of like teaching to the test? Create assignment submission that will score well, but not achieve goal? #iolchat
jshamsy Sep 14 @ 12:40 PM EDT

Or the assignment and rubric can be useless in actual learning - need to evaluate what the need is and then tailor assignments #iolchat
jshamsy Sep 14 @ 12:40 PM EDT

@philosophypaul There are always two sides...the cover your tail and then also things that actual benefit learning #iolchat =)
philosophypaul Sep 14 @ 12:40 PM EDT
@CenterOnlineEd Answers #3 -- performance does not equal learning #IOLchat https://t.co/ryVqHzAVRt
- CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Sep 14 @ 12:38 PM EDT
  
  @connortravisedu Kind of like teaching to the test? Create assignment submission that will score well, but not achieve goal? #iolchat
CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Sep 14 @ 12:40 PM EDT

+1 RT @jshamsy Or the assignment and rubric can be useless in actual learning-evaluate what the need is and then tailor assignments #iolchat
CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Sep 14 @ 12:41 PM EDT

I'm "liking" every tweet in this chat! Great convo, guys and gals! #iolchat
philosophypaul Sep 14 @ 12:42 PM EDT
Yes. :) #IOLchat https://t.co/ZVBdiWJtbW
- jshamsy Sep 14 @ 12:40 PM EDT
  
  @philosophypaul There are always two sides...the cover your tail and then also things that actual benefit learning #iolchat =)
ElliotKingPhD Sep 14 @ 12:42 PM EDT
Just jumping in but this is key point. What do you want the students to actually learn. #iolchat https://t.co/ut6TrqwVAE
- jshamsy Sep 14 @ 12:40 PM EDT
  
  Or the assignment and rubric can be useless in actual learning - need to evaluate what the need is and then tailor assignments #iolchat
CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Sep 14 @ 12:43 PM EDT

@ElliotKingPhD Thanks for jumping in! Great to see you, Elliot. #iolchat
ElliotKingPhD Sep 14 @ 12:44 PM EDT
To me, the question is what will they remember the future when they need what they learned. #IOLchat https://t.co/kJFAr1JJb5
- CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Sep 14 @ 12:31 PM EDT
  
  Q3) The big question: Does "accomplished" on the #rubric mean students have learned something? What was intended? #iolchat
philosophypaul Sep 14 @ 12:44 PM EDT
Rubrics may answer "How?" What may be determined by SLOs #IOLchat https://t.co/oEvi2sDR72
- ElliotKingPhD Sep 14 @ 12:42 PM EDT
  
  Just jumping in but this is key point. What do you want the students to actually learn. #iolchat https://t.co/ut6TrqwVAE
  
  jshamsy Sep 14 @ 12:40 PM EDT
  
  Or the assignment and rubric can be useless in actual learning - need to evaluate what the need is and then tailor assignments #iolchat
jshamsy Sep 14 @ 12:45 PM EDT

@ElliotKingPhD Exactly..that is why you start at the end - what do you want them to accomplish..preferably on-the-job in real world #iolchat
CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Sep 14 @ 12:47 PM EDT

Q4) What else do we need to do, re: assessment, to evaluate/measure learning achievement online? Rubrics alone aren't enough. #iolchat
ElliotKingPhD Sep 14 @ 12:47 PM EDT
Rubrics--gr8 for clarity in grading; very important. But not always structured to define learning goals. #iolchat https://t.co/86ylHH7omF
- philosophypaul Sep 14 @ 12:20 PM EDT
  
  Rubrics should answer what expectations are and benchmarks. Yes. #IOLchat https://t.co/IsIgNXLdm3
  
  connortravisedu Sep 14 @ 12:16 PM EDT
  
  i love rubrics bc I know exactly what the teacher wants from me. Rubrics r more helpful when they r detailed not broad expectations #iolchat
philosophypaul Sep 14 @ 12:47 PM EDT

@jshamsy @ElliotKingPhD Backwards design begins with learning end in mind. Rubrics follow #IOLchat
CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Sep 14 @ 12:49 PM EDT

@ElliotKingPhD So, we really need to be aware of what rubrics are designed to do/can do. Good reminder about expectations. #iolchat
ElliotKingPhD Sep 14 @ 12:50 PM EDT
For online grad courses, get actual final exam on 1st day of class. Work on it all semester. #iolchat https://t.co/hJwBMDYt6h
- jshamsy Sep 14 @ 12:45 PM EDT
  
  @ElliotKingPhD Exactly..that is why you start at the end - what do you want them to accomplish..preferably on-the-job in real world #iolchat
philosophypaul Sep 14 @ 12:51 PM EDT

@ElliotKingPhD Yes, rubrics do not always define or dictate learning goals. #IOLchat
CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Sep 14 @ 12:52 PM EDT

@ElliotKingPhD Sounds like an ingenious approach! Would have liked to experience this as a student I think. #iolchat
jshamsy Sep 14 @ 12:52 PM EDT

@ElliotKingPhD Oh but the four day marathon finals -- all day and all night are so much more fun! =) #iolchat
CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Sep 14 @ 12:53 PM EDT

@jshamsy @ElliotKingPhD Well when you put it that way .. ;) #iolchat
CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Sep 14 @ 12:54 PM EDT

Coming up on the end of the chat hour … #iolchat
CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Sep 14 @ 12:55 PM EDT

Thanks to @jshamsy @connortravisedu @SarahJanetHill @PhilosophyPaul @pf60052 and @ElliotKingPhD for making it happen! #iolchat
jshamsy Sep 14 @ 12:56 PM EDT

@philosophypaul @ElliotKingPhD also a big difference btwn education and training - goals will be very different along w/rubrics #iolchat
philosophypaul Sep 14 @ 12:57 PM EDT

@CenterOnlineEd @jshamsy @connortravisedu @SarahJanetHill @pf60052 @ElliotKingPhD Thanks to @CenterOnlineEd for another informative #IOLchat
CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Sep 14 @ 12:58 PM EDT

@philosophypaul My pleasure! Thanks again for inspiring this interesting and relevant topic. #iolchat