#ASEchat Archive

The Association for Science Education (ASE) promotes excellence in science teaching and learning. Follow #ASEchat Mondays at 3pm ET.

Monday April 30, 2018
3:00 PM EDT

  • teacherchalky1 Apr 30 @ 3:00 PM EDT
    Don't forget about the extra maths content in the new GCSE Science spec! Have a go at this equation practice question. #ukedchat #revision #gcse #science #asechat #nqtchat #ittchat #aussieED #edchat #TeamScience
  • Boofimus Apr 30 @ 3:00 PM EDT
    #asechat
  • ViciaScience Apr 30 @ 3:01 PM EDT
    Good evening ! #ASEChat. Will try to keep up and also do a listing of tonights tweets when the clock chimes nine
    In reply to @agittner
  • agittner Apr 30 @ 3:01 PM EDT
    How many of us have had to counter the "I'm staying up all night to cram?" #ASEchat
  • ViciaScience Apr 30 @ 3:02 PM EDT
    Mine was 'sharpen your pencils and keep one spare' #ASEChat
    In reply to @agittner
  • ViciaScience Apr 30 @ 3:03 PM EDT
    But last minute cramming may be all the revision some people do? #ASEchat
    In reply to @agittner
  • agittner Apr 30 @ 3:03 PM EDT
    Thanks Richard: good evening to you. I find its often about reassurance; students fearing they will go into the exam and then go blank" #ASEchat
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Apr 30 @ 3:03 PM EDT
    Read the question carefully. And do as you're asked. Every word is pertinent. #asechat
    In reply to @agittner
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Apr 30 @ 3:04 PM EDT
    Last minute tips, is this about exam technique? #asechat
  • agittner Apr 30 @ 3:04 PM EDT
    Good evening Linda; it could be #ASEchat , any last minute tips to students
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Apr 30 @ 3:04 PM EDT
    RTFQ ?? #asechat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall, @agittner
  • agittner Apr 30 @ 3:05 PM EDT
    Good evening Alex, thank you for that, it increasingly worries me about whether they can read the question #ASEchat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall
  • ViciaScience Apr 30 @ 3:05 PM EDT
    My advice used to be to read all of the questions carefully before starting to answer. But exam papers had fewer pages. But always helps to turn over each page #ASEChat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall, @agittner
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Apr 30 @ 3:05 PM EDT
    The Q will have information that you can use, don’t just skip to the actual questions #asechat
  • agittner Apr 30 @ 3:06 PM EDT
    Yes its worth at least looking through the whole paper; every year someone will miss the section on the last page #ASEchat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @A_Weatherall
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Apr 30 @ 3:06 PM EDT
    Ask, what big idea is this question about? #asechat
  • agittner Apr 30 @ 3:06 PM EDT
    So right and increasingly for the more challenging questions they can be expected to pull this information together for the last section #ASEchat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Apr 30 @ 3:07 PM EDT
    especially if they are a bit flummoxed about the context #asechat
  • agittner Apr 30 @ 3:08 PM EDT
    Do you think this is as easy as it used to be? Some questions drag in a variety of ideas. #ASEchat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • doc_kristy Apr 30 @ 3:08 PM EDT
    Keep the booklet fully out, don't fold the pages on themselves otherwise they may make transcription errors and not use data properly #asechat
    In reply to @agittner
  • ViciaScience Apr 30 @ 3:08 PM EDT
    Read and think about how many marks are allocated to each question. Use this to plan your answer #asechat
    In reply to @agittner, @NeedhamL56
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Apr 30 @ 3:08 PM EDT
    see my follow up tweet. #asechat
    In reply to @agittner
  • ViciaScience Apr 30 @ 3:08 PM EDT
    #ASEChat
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Apr 30 @ 3:09 PM EDT
    Agreed, sometimes there is some info on the first page of the Q that gets forgotten because they’ve folded the paper in half #asechat
    • doc_kristy Apr 30 @ 3:08 PM EDT
      Keep the booklet fully out, don't fold the pages on themselves otherwise they may make transcription errors and not use data properly #asechat
      In reply to @agittner
  • agittner Apr 30 @ 3:09 PM EDT
    Does anyone suggest the use of high-lighters in science exams other subjects seem to? #ASEchat
  • ViciaScience Apr 30 @ 3:10 PM EDT
    The one about being 'flummoxed'? What does that mean? #ASEChat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56, @agittner
  • margaretflem Apr 30 @ 3:11 PM EDT
    I love this research , mainly about long term things that work , but still some tips for last minute #ASEchat https://t.co/jBeaE9fqjd
    In reply to @agittner
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Apr 30 @ 3:11 PM EDT
    instead of skipping the Q because you don’t know what its on about, step back and ask does this relate to a big idea in science? #asechat e.g. particle model
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @agittner
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Apr 30 @ 3:11 PM EDT
    Oh latest mock paper 2 had me going back 3 pages on one question! #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @agittner
  • agittner Apr 30 @ 3:11 PM EDT
    I wish I had a pay per view on that link, the amount I recommend it to teachers and students thanks for the reminder #ASEchat
    In reply to @margaretflem
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Apr 30 @ 3:12 PM EDT
    wow! thats a challenge for students #asechat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall, @ViciaScience, @agittner
  • hecharden Apr 30 @ 3:12 PM EDT
    #asechat (whoops..sorry!)
    • hecharden Apr 30 @ 3:09 PM EDT
      And if question looks unfamiliar don't think exam board has made a mistake think what science your teacher has covered that could be relevant.
      In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • agittner Apr 30 @ 3:13 PM EDT
    Do we think students have time to go back over the calculations to check for silly calculator mistakes, I see so many in the mocks #ASEchat
  • ViciaScience Apr 30 @ 3:13 PM EDT
    To do this students need to be familiar with big ideas of science, and not sure they have all been taught in this wa. May be better to 'concept map' to link ideas for longer questions? #ASEChat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56, @agittner
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Apr 30 @ 3:13 PM EDT
    #asechat before answering a single question go through and underline key values looking out for conversions and calculations with extra marks. Write down any formula you might need. Highlight command words. Then go for the ones you feel will be hardest first.
    In reply to @agittner
  • agittner Apr 30 @ 3:13 PM EDT
    I'd have that printed on the wall of the exam hall if I could #ASEchat
    In reply to @hecharden
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Apr 30 @ 3:14 PM EDT
    Yes I agree, what I mean is to encourage students to step back and not get bogged down by the context of the Q #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @agittner
  • agittner Apr 30 @ 3:15 PM EDT
    I am seeing questions which look like they are trying to catch people out, which has never been the case in the past #ASEchat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56, @A_Weatherall, @ViciaScience
  • ViciaScience Apr 30 @ 3:16 PM EDT
    Another school of thought suggests do an easy question first rather than always starting at the beginning, to build confidence #ASEChat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall, @agittner
  • agittner Apr 30 @ 3:16 PM EDT
    Do you model this beforehand with walking talking mocks, we've tried them for the first time this year, students liked them #ASEchat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Apr 30 @ 3:16 PM EDT
    Highlight instructions like, “use the information in the diagram/table/graph” so you don’t gorget to refer to it in the answer #asechat
  • TwinklScience Apr 30 @ 3:16 PM EDT
    I was going to write something along the lines of that but you have put it so eloquently! I see alot of pupils underline and circle, I have yet to come across any pupils who highlight.I worry it would be time wasting rather than useful #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @agittner
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Apr 30 @ 3:17 PM EDT
    Such a good idea, teacher thinks aloud, shows that a process has to go on before you get to the answer, so they are not threatened if the answer doesn’t automatically jump out #asechat
    • agittner Apr 30 @ 3:16 PM EDT
      Do you model this beforehand with walking talking mocks, we've tried them for the first time this year, students liked them #ASEchat
      In reply to @A_Weatherall
  • ViciaScience Apr 30 @ 3:17 PM EDT
    Not sure 'pressing about' fits in the eloquence box too easily. And so easy to mispronounce. #ASEChat
    In reply to @TwinklScience, @agittner
  • hecharden Apr 30 @ 3:17 PM EDT
    I think it is important to be explicit about key concepts to students so that they know what they are looking out for. Maybe show two or three examples and explain common link? #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @NeedhamL56, @agittner
  • agittner Apr 30 @ 3:18 PM EDT
    How are people finding the issue of learning the equations for physics (in particular) anything that can be done last minute? #ASEchat
  • TwinklScience Apr 30 @ 3:18 PM EDT
    As an examiner I see it all the time aswell. Students don't appear to go over calc questions half as much as the theory style questions. Although ECF does help sometimes in gaining at least some of the marks. #asechat
    In reply to @agittner
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Apr 30 @ 3:18 PM EDT
    ‘Highlight’ could be just underlining or circling, something to draw attention to the information in the text #asechat
    In reply to @TwinklScience, @ViciaScience, @agittner
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Apr 30 @ 3:19 PM EDT
    #asechat BBC Bitesize revision site is now absolutely outstanding!!! Seriously impressed. With sample questions too. And an app.
    In reply to @agittner
  • agittner Apr 30 @ 3:19 PM EDT
    IT could be in some subjects they go in armed with highlighters of different colours #ASEchat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56, @TwinklScience, @ViciaScience
  • ViciaScience Apr 30 @ 3:19 PM EDT
    My dream would be to produce a curriculum of key ideas and to teach the links and limits of each. But we have to start with where we are - lists of facts. #ASEChat
    In reply to @hecharden, @NeedhamL56, @agittner
  • SKLchem Apr 30 @ 3:19 PM EDT
    #ASEchat Go through the process of checking the answer you have written against the question; look for where the marks have been gained - model with students
    • agittner Apr 30 @ 3:16 PM EDT
      Do you model this beforehand with walking talking mocks, we've tried them for the first time this year, students liked them #ASEchat
      In reply to @A_Weatherall
  • TwinklScience Apr 30 @ 3:20 PM EDT
    I read it as the mispronounciated version but that probably says more about me than anyone else !! #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @agittner
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Apr 30 @ 3:20 PM EDT
    Oh it's great with content tailored to boards and really concise but good scientific explanation. #asechat
    In reply to @agittner
  • agittner Apr 30 @ 3:21 PM EDT
    Anyone get their students to "estimate" the answer before reaching for the calculator so they know the calculator is giving them an answer in the right ball park? #ASEchat
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Apr 30 @ 3:21 PM EDT
    have you seen this comment @rjpritchard ? #asechat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall, @agittner, @rjpritchard
  • TwinklScience Apr 30 @ 3:22 PM EDT
    The joys of procrastination akthough it seems to work for some pupils #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @agittner
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Apr 30 @ 3:22 PM EDT
    I want to know who worked on it actually. Its really good @bbcbitesize @m000sh would you know? #asechat
    In reply to @agittner, @bbcbitesize, @m000sh
  • GreenAPL Apr 30 @ 3:22 PM EDT
    Popular FREE highly rated #chemistry resource to support teaching History of the Atom https://t.co/NueKAmHv2h via @tesResources #gcsechemistry #chemistryrevision #chemed #asechat @maelhmatthews
  • ViciaScience Apr 30 @ 3:22 PM EDT
    Yes - I did type prissing and failed to notice that autocorrect changed it to pressing. Some words I used in teaching were remembered better than others #ASEChat
    In reply to @agittner, @TwinklScience
  • TwinklScience Apr 30 @ 3:23 PM EDT
    I find flash cards work well for equations! At least for the basics #asechat
    In reply to @agittner
  • MattEndeanRally Apr 30 @ 3:23 PM EDT
    OCR do this a lot, it is a real challenge... #asechat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56, @A_Weatherall, @ViciaScience, @agittner
  • agittner Apr 30 @ 3:24 PM EDT
    Just looked it up, you are so right it looks excellent #ASEchat (getting onto Show my homework to tell my students as we type)
    In reply to @A_Weatherall, @bbcbitesize, @m000sh
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Apr 30 @ 3:25 PM EDT
    This might be useful https://t.co/CtqyBGImCt exam technique tips #asechat
  • UoNBioscicareer Apr 30 @ 3:26 PM EDT
    Hi Science teachers - can I take a moment of your #asechat We (Uni of Nottingham) have a Summer School in Food & Crop Sciences for Year 12 pupils who are interested in the practical applications of science Further details here https://t.co/qJ4izKL1qX
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Apr 30 @ 3:27 PM EDT
    It would be preferable if you used the #asechat at other times than during the chat. Teachers pick this up at other times too.
    In reply to @UoNBioscicareer
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Apr 30 @ 3:27 PM EDT
    Quite like the zen videos by Mr Thornton Learn Physics Equations: https://t.co/ySWnL9oHAy #asechat
    In reply to @agittner
  • ViciaScience Apr 30 @ 3:28 PM EDT
    So with equations in physics are students taught to memorize the equation or taught to derive it from the relationship between the variables?? #ASEChat
    In reply to @agittner
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Apr 30 @ 3:28 PM EDT
    Well the money spent is worth it. It's brilliant. #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @agittner, @bbcbitesize, @m000sh
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Apr 30 @ 3:28 PM EDT
    Does this help with SHC #asechat
    • A_Weatherall - Moderator Apr 30 @ 2:15 PM EDT
      I shared this graphic that I've made with the #cogscisci group last night. It's to help visualise the maths in the ΔE=mcΔθ formula. It's not finished but the response I got from the group last night convinced me to share it wider. #asechat
  • agittner Apr 30 @ 3:29 PM EDT
    I saw this and also an article from @RSC_EiC on the use of diagrams to help learning..timely I thought #ASEchat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall, @RSC_EiC
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Apr 30 @ 3:30 PM EDT
    We're looking at the bar model in the #cogscisci group #asechat
    In reply to @agittner, @RSC_EiC
  • MattEndeanRally Apr 30 @ 3:31 PM EDT
    #ASEchat also model how to spot the information they are giving you, lots of questions the answer is in front of them, they just have to 'see' it in with all the waffle which does seem to have increased sadly...
    In reply to @SKLchem
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Apr 30 @ 3:31 PM EDT
    See some blogs here https://t.co/BZdh2hCqlA #asechat not so much for revision as first learning.
    In reply to @agittner, @RSC_EiC
  • ViciaScience Apr 30 @ 3:32 PM EDT
    A lot of the comments have been about improving exam performance. Anyone also suggest ways of students maintaining a sense of balance and well being during exam period? #ASEChat
  • TwinklScience Apr 30 @ 3:32 PM EDT
    I have tried that but usually with the higher ability children and those who enjoy or do well in maths. I fnd some lower ability don't even want to try to guestimate #asechat
    In reply to @agittner
  • agittner Apr 30 @ 3:33 PM EDT
    I always liked the cgp revision timetable as it encouraged time for students to socialise, play sport and watch tv #ASEchat
  • stormeducation Apr 30 @ 3:36 PM EDT
    #asechat @ViciaScience what do you mean by the "big ideas" of #science?
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Apr 30 @ 3:37 PM EDT
    Take a look here https://t.co/PZWKsoNdmx working with the big ideas in science Wynn Harlen #asechat
  • ViciaScience Apr 30 @ 3:38 PM EDT
    I know everyone has a different interpretation, but I mean underpinning scientific explanations that apply to a wide range of different contexts - it started with 5 core ideas in the QCA scheme of work??? #ASEChat
    In reply to @stormeducation
  • ViciaScience Apr 30 @ 3:39 PM EDT
    Some people at IoP are using the phrase 'big questions' rather than big ideas, which is worth exploring. #ASEChat
    In reply to @stormeducation
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Apr 30 @ 3:40 PM EDT
    It was in the Science Framework (Nat strats) #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @stormeducation
  • agittner Apr 30 @ 3:40 PM EDT
    Just changing track as conversation seems to have slowed. Now that we've done one run through is it too early to think about what would we do differently next time #ASEchat
  • stormeducation Apr 30 @ 3:41 PM EDT
    #asechat @ViciaScience @NeedhamL56 thanks - and the @theASE resources are free to download!
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Apr 30 @ 3:42 PM EDT
    I think Y10 are already benefiting from teacher experience of 1st year through #asechat
    • agittner Apr 30 @ 3:40 PM EDT
      Just changing track as conversation seems to have slowed. Now that we've done one run through is it too early to think about what would we do differently next time #ASEchat
  • ViciaScience Apr 30 @ 3:42 PM EDT
    Second time through would people suggest teaching content in a different order (to that presented in the spec)? #ASEchat
    In reply to @agittner
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Apr 30 @ 3:44 PM EDT
    Start (a bit) earlier. Spread tests out (test previous topic halfway through next one). Interleaved homework. More specific maths tuition. Better planning for RPAs. More practice. #asechat
    In reply to @agittner
  • agittner Apr 30 @ 3:45 PM EDT
    I do wonder about this, I've looked at but in the end I wonder whether I have tinkered for the sake of it #ASEchat any glaring errors that should be rectified?
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Apr 30 @ 3:46 PM EDT
    Yes, I would but still an enormous job to organise effectively. Not worth the effort yet. 80:20. #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @agittner
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Apr 30 @ 3:46 PM EDT
    Start what? #asechat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall, @agittner
  • ViciaScience Apr 30 @ 3:46 PM EDT
    So do you suggest incorporating more maths for science in Ys 7,8,9? #ASEChat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall, @agittner
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Apr 30 @ 3:46 PM EDT
    GCSE (need a bit more time) #asechat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56, @agittner
  • agittner Apr 30 @ 3:47 PM EDT
    Yes we are realising that they do need to do more practice about certain things, but need to check with maths dept, don't want to start too young with things they won't do till later in maths #ASEchat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @A_Weatherall
  • ViciaScience Apr 30 @ 3:47 PM EDT
    What about required practicals - does organising a progression route through the list make sense? #ASEChat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall, @agittner
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Apr 30 @ 3:48 PM EDT
    Oh definitely. Ks3. Students could *learn* /some/ material at level needed for GCSE earlier in KS3. #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @agittner
  • agittner Apr 30 @ 3:48 PM EDT
    Its going to be interesting to see how the questions on these RPAs develop #ASEchat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @A_Weatherall
  • TwinklScience Apr 30 @ 3:49 PM EDT
    Start earlier, now that we have actual papers for next year use them for revision aswell #asechat
    In reply to @agittner
  • ViciaScience Apr 30 @ 3:49 PM EDT
    I would expect 'making KS3 more mathematical' could have significant benefits for GCSE teaching #ASEChat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall, @agittner
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Apr 30 @ 3:49 PM EDT
    Think it's more like deciding which skills are best learned with which practicals. And teaching those things explicitly during those practicals (and practicing in others) #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @agittner
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Apr 30 @ 3:49 PM EDT
    #asechat
  • agittner Apr 30 @ 3:50 PM EDT
    It needs thinking about carefully though, not just "start younger" #ASEchat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @A_Weatherall
  • ViciaScience Apr 30 @ 3:50 PM EDT
    There is a funded research project about to start in our region looking at the questions used to assess practical skills #asechat
    In reply to @agittner, @A_Weatherall
  • ViciaScience Apr 30 @ 3:51 PM EDT
    That sounds sensible. Does your school have a written policy on practical science? #ASEChat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall, @agittner
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Apr 30 @ 3:51 PM EDT
    Defo #asechat
    In reply to @agittner, @ViciaScience
  • ruthyie Apr 30 @ 3:52 PM EDT
    We teach in the order of a publisher's scheme (not same as spec) and within that I am rearranging the physics to shunt the maths/eqns to the end per topic, after embedding explanations and relationships, especially for Y9. #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @agittner
  • agittner Apr 30 @ 3:53 PM EDT
    Well we are coming to the last few minutes of #ASEchat, as usual its flown by. Last minute last minute tips and anything burning you would change for year 10 (or year9) now you've done it once? #ASEchat
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Apr 30 @ 3:54 PM EDT
    Might be worth a look from Julian Clarke head of science @AQA #asechat preparing for science exams
  • ViciaScience Apr 30 @ 3:54 PM EDT
    so do you see equations are an obstacle to understanding? #ASEChat
    In reply to @ruthyie, @agittner
  • margaretflem Apr 30 @ 3:54 PM EDT
    Sounds like https://t.co/vrCXFig7Ox to me still use the ‘green sheet ‘ with teachers #ASEchat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall, @ViciaScience, @agittner
  • ruthyie Apr 30 @ 3:55 PM EDT
    3rd time through with our Y9s since Christmas! #asechat Still lots to resource.
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • agittner Apr 30 @ 3:56 PM EDT
    Dunno we'll see. I have had students asking me for extra formulae for working out a problem in chemistry, he was disappointed I expected him to work it out from first principles #ASEchat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @ruthyie
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Apr 30 @ 3:56 PM EDT
    yes he does, but I think he’s incognito now, just tweet @AQAScience #asechat
    • agittner Apr 30 @ 3:40 PM EDT
      Just changing track as conversation seems to have slowed. Now that we've done one run through is it too early to think about what would we do differently next time #ASEchat
  • TwinklScience Apr 30 @ 3:57 PM EDT
    I would start tailoring the KS3 topics to be better geared toward GCSE. And incorporate more maths #asechat
    In reply to @agittner
  • ViciaScience Apr 30 @ 3:57 PM EDT
    Clearly 'remembering' is easier for some than 'understanding' #ASEChat
    In reply to @agittner, @ruthyie
  • agittner Apr 30 @ 3:57 PM EDT
    I'm hoping that @ViciaScience has a good summary there was a lot of good advice tonight, thank you everybody. #ASEchat
  • ruthyie Apr 30 @ 3:57 PM EDT
    Our scheme starts with big hitters like KE, GPE, EPE, SHC which signal to the majority of students that it's not their bag. I'm finding that having never seen eqn, they can tell me what happens when we doubles one thing etc and scale by mass...#asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @agittner
  • agittner Apr 30 @ 3:58 PM EDT
    We've been doing this, I worry that KS3 is GCSE-lite and might become stale.. #ASEchat
    In reply to @TwinklScience