#nhed Archive
An chat run by New Hampshire educators.
Sunday January 24, 2016
7:00 PM EST
MrsMurat
Jan 24 @ 7:00 PM EST
Examples of
#stuvoice
. Comment if you have time.
https://t.co/Z1aPDvGIzP
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edventures
- Moderator
Jan 24 @ 7:00 PM EST
Tonight’s
#NHed
chat will be focused on NH’s shift to Competency Based Learning.
https://t.co/Uj1vQQCsSf
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 24 @ 7:01 PM EST
On behalf of our team,
@mrlaferriere
@audralurvey
@jbhanlon
& I, welcome home to
#NHed
!
cswenson
Jan 24 @ 7:01 PM EST
#NHEd
I teach Computer Sciences in the Lake Region. An advocate of competency based education and technology integration. Glad to be here!
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 24 @ 7:02 PM EST
Tonight’s
#nhed
chat will be archived and will be available at:
https://t.co/MPBxsHCq8K
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 24 @ 7:02 PM EST
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@cswenson
Thanks for coming by!
#NHed
guilfordt
Jan 24 @ 7:02 PM EST
Tod- media specialist- Claremont, NH
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edventures
- Moderator
Jan 24 @ 7:02 PM EST
Hey
#NHed
, do me a favor and no Pats spoilers - still watching the DVR as I was at a VB tourney all day!
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 24 @ 7:03 PM EST
I'm your
#NHed
host & Chief Edu-Imagineer, John Martin out of beautiful Sandwich, NH coming off a great day of volleyball!
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 24 @ 7:04 PM EST
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@guilfordt
Hi Tod!
#NHed
Sjm4grlsMack
Jan 24 @ 7:04 PM EST
Hello
#nhed
NoodleMarkets
Jan 24 @ 7:05 PM EST
Awesome sauce,
@RenLearnUS
joined our new K-12 marketplace! Thank you for registering!
#nhed
https://t.co/uQKTmRpy0L
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 24 @ 7:05 PM EST
Ok
#NHed
-ucators, please introduce yourself & rate your familiarity with competency based learning.
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 24 @ 7:05 PM EST
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@Sjm4grlsMack
Welcome Sue!
#NHed
musiccargirl14
Jan 24 @ 7:06 PM EST
Catie in Laconia Key accounts Rep and Tech Trainer for a music curriculum..just finishing HW and ready to listen in to
#nhed
cswenson
Jan 24 @ 7:06 PM EST
#NHEd
I've been involved at school and state level with
#CompetencyEd
for the past 10 years
Sjm4grlsMack
Jan 24 @ 7:07 PM EST
#nhed
I teach high school science. Our district had totally implemented competency based grading
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 24 @ 7:07 PM EST
#NHed
Looks like we'll have a great conversation w/ lots of experience with
#CBL
tonight!
cswenson
Jan 24 @ 7:08 PM EST
#NHEd
our Freshman Seminar is completely competency based grading, but we still have the dual system for our other courses.
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 24 @ 7:08 PM EST
Ok,
#NHed
get ready for Q1 coming up in 2 min!
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 24 @ 7:09 PM EST
#Interlakes
is working on streamlining competencies at the HS level. Our biggest challenge is that our SIS doesn't manage it well.
#NHed
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 24 @ 7:09 PM EST
#Interlakes
is considering a new SIS platform that has a nice
#CBL
management system built right in.
#NHed
cswenson
Jan 24 @ 7:09 PM EST
#NHEd
our SIS doesn't handle it well either, we have lots of work arounds
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 24 @ 7:10 PM EST
#NHed
Q1: If you are a NH school, how does
#CBL
look in your school? If you’re not, what do you think competency based learning look like?
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 24 @ 7:10 PM EST
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@cswenson
If you don't mind, who do you have as an SIS?
#NHed
cswenson
Jan 24 @ 7:10 PM EST
#NHEd
@edventures
Web2School, but I don't recommend it.
ShiftParadigm
Jan 24 @ 7:11 PM EST
New Post: Through The Looking Glass of Learning - What We Can Learn From Alice about Education Technology
https://t.co/O4maWWxM9E
#NHEd
coachpb33
Jan 24 @ 7:11 PM EST
Joining in from wv, hope you don't mind
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edventures
- Moderator
Jan 24 @ 7:11 PM EST
#NHed
A1: At
#Interlakes
, competencies are being implemented at the HS level, with middle tier coming soon.
Sjm4grlsMack
Jan 24 @ 7:11 PM EST
#NHed
we are totally Cbl at our school lots of extra teacher work
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 24 @ 7:11 PM EST
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@coachpb33
Don't mind at all!
#NHed
loves to get ideas from all over!
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 24 @ 7:12 PM EST
Over the course of our
#NHed
chat tonight, we'll talk about the successes & challenges of
#CBL
.
cswenson
Jan 24 @ 7:12 PM EST
#NHEd
in our school we report out competencies on a 1-4 scale, but it doesn't impact their grade. We grade Sums. on a 50-100 point scale
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 24 @ 7:12 PM EST
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@cswenson
Familiar with W2S. Used it in Plymouth. We use MMS but it still wants to average everything.
#NHed
Sjm4grlsMack
Jan 24 @ 7:13 PM EST
#NHed
we use a 9 or scale
cswenson
Jan 24 @ 7:13 PM EST
#NHEd
a lot of our practice is based on principles presented by
@RickWormeli
but I don't think all Ts are familiar with the principles
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 24 @ 7:13 PM EST
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@cswenson
I'm curious to know how the grading/reporting structure works for you. I'm on our grading cmte & we're working on a system.
#NHed
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 24 @ 7:14 PM EST
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@cswenson
@RickWormeli
#Interlakes
is looking at him, as well as
@MarzanoResearch
work in
#CBL
.
#NHed
cswenson
Jan 24 @ 7:15 PM EST
#NHEd
@edventures
we have categories set up with 0 weight, there are scripts written that print out the assignments in the categories
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 24 @ 7:16 PM EST
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@cswenson
Frustrating to have to jerry rig a system just because your SIS doesn't support
#CBL
isn't it?
#NHed
Sjm4grlsMack
Jan 24 @ 7:16 PM EST
#NHEd
our system is also based on Wormeli but we are seeing laziness in students due to the fact that they can retake
coachpb33
Jan 24 @ 7:16 PM EST
I may not tweet much tonight, but this is new to me. Interested to hear how it works
#nhed
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 24 @ 7:16 PM EST
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@Sjm4grlsMack
Be sure to bring that up in Q5! That will be our challenges discussion!
#NHed
cswenson
Jan 24 @ 7:16 PM EST
#NHEd
we use
@MarzanoResearch
too. We are learning targets/scales. His system is used mostly for our observations. Many don't like Marzano
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 24 @ 7:17 PM EST
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@coachpb33
Feel free to lurk, or to reach out to any here tonight if you'd like to learn more about implementation!
#NHed
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 24 @ 7:17 PM EST
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@cswenson
What about
@MarzanoResearch
do they challenge?
#NHed
cswenson
Jan 24 @ 7:18 PM EST
@Sjm4grlsMack
#NHed
that's what I mean about not understanding
@RickWormeli
principles. He even says redos are occasional.
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 24 @ 7:19 PM EST
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@cswenson
@Sjm4grlsMack
@RickWormeli
For the bottom line is "WHY" the redo? B/C the student wasn't ready yet or b/c they were lazy?
#NHed
cswenson
Jan 24 @ 7:20 PM EST
#NHed
@edventures
They hate the scales. I think we had some bad trainers from the institute that leave a bad taste. I love them.
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 24 @ 7:20 PM EST
#NHed
Q2: How is competency based learning different from standards based learning?
#CBL
#SBLchat
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 24 @ 7:20 PM EST
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@cswenson
@Sjm4grlsMack
@RickWormeli
We are using personal competencies to address habits of mind. Still trying to work that out.
#NHed
coachpb33
Jan 24 @ 7:20 PM EST
@edventures
what determines the students courses
#nhed
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 24 @ 7:21 PM EST
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@cswenson
We're struggling w/ how to use them to inform the values in our new assessment system which will likely be a 4.0 system.
#NHed
Sjm4grlsMack
Jan 24 @ 7:21 PM EST
#NHed
redo is because the student is not satisfied with the grade
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 24 @ 7:22 PM EST
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@coachpb33
The state of NH still has required courses that Ss need to graduate but I'd love to see that be more flexible.
#NHed
cswenson
Jan 24 @ 7:22 PM EST
#NHed
A2: Standards based learning doesn't allow you to go deep into material. Competencies allow standards to be bundled.
jbhanlon
Jan 24 @ 7:22 PM EST
#nhed
hi everyone sorry I am late to tonight.
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 24 @ 7:22 PM EST
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@Sjm4grlsMack
When they redo, are they learning more? Improving their skills? Or just point shaving?
#NHed
Sjm4grlsMack
Jan 24 @ 7:23 PM EST
#NHed
teaching/learning can go deep with a standards based system
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 24 @ 7:23 PM EST
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@cswenson
So to follow up w/ that, how does learning change w/
#CBL
over
#SBL
?
#NHed
cswenson
Jan 24 @ 7:24 PM EST
#NHEd
we have a redo contract that Ss have to fill out and follow. A plan of action. I've discouraged redos for grade inflation.
coachpb33
Jan 24 @ 7:24 PM EST
How are requirements different from standards based
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edventures
- Moderator
Jan 24 @ 7:24 PM EST
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@cswenson
I like that approach.
#NHed
DrewetteCard
Jan 24 @ 7:24 PM EST
A2) complexity. Competency/proficiency-based Ed is more focused on the verbs. SBL is heavy focus on nouns.
#nhed
#sblchat
audrallurvey
Jan 24 @ 7:24 PM EST
Late - Audra, LMS from Nottingham
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edventures
- Moderator
Jan 24 @ 7:25 PM EST
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@Sjm4grlsMack
Yes, that is far different from someone wanting to learn more.
#NHed
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 24 @ 7:26 PM EST
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@coachpb33
IMO it's more a matter of how we assess. Competencies encompass a number of standards.
#NHed
cswenson
Jan 24 @ 7:26 PM EST
#NHed
I turn the standards into my "I can" statements under the competencies. If a student can show what they know, I know they can do it.
Lchauvette
Jan 24 @ 7:26 PM EST
Google Educator Certification Level 1 passed! Now time to study for Level 2.
#google
#googleedu
#NHed
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 24 @ 7:27 PM EST
@Lchauvette
Congratulations on Google Level 1! What did you think of their assessment process?
#NHed
gphilhower
Jan 24 @ 7:27 PM EST
A2: Tell me if I'm wrong but CB learning allows Ss to differ in pace while SB has more to do with how learning is communicated
#NHed
cswenson
Jan 24 @ 7:28 PM EST
#NHed
I think it puts it on the student to show what they know. They won't know it all, but a 70-80%-ile under each competency is fair.
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 24 @ 7:28 PM EST
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@cswenson
For me that's the bottom line. I don't care what you know, but rather what you DO w/ what you know.
#NHed
gphilhower
Jan 24 @ 7:28 PM EST
Hello
#NHed
! This I'd George from IN popping in late... Very interested in what is happening in NH with CB learning
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 24 @ 7:29 PM EST
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@gphilhower
Welcome to
#NHed
! If you want to catch up on what we've shared, I'll post the archives after our chat!
gphilhower
Jan 24 @ 7:30 PM EST
@edventures
thanks John!
#NHed
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 24 @ 7:30 PM EST
#NHed
Q3: How does assessment differ in a competency based learning environment?
cswenson
Jan 24 @ 7:30 PM EST
#NHed
that's what I like about the scales, it's made it easier for me to formatively check in on student progress in a standard
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 24 @ 7:31 PM EST
#NHed
Q3 cont'd: What evidence does a teacher collect to show a student has learned? How is that data used?
cswenson
Jan 24 @ 7:31 PM EST
#NHed
A3: assessment in a competency based learning environment is heavy in the formative. Lot's of CFU's along the way.
coachpb33
Jan 24 @ 7:32 PM EST
Students get tested to death in standards based. Really frustrating for a lot if them here
#nhed
cswenson
Jan 24 @ 7:32 PM EST
#NHed
A3: Twitter doesn't give me enough characters to make that list! LOL
gphilhower
Jan 24 @ 7:32 PM EST
A3: Is it possible that this could look different for different students in certain situations?
#NHed
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 24 @ 7:33 PM EST
#NHed
A3: At
#Interlakes
we're looking at providing multiple opportunities so that they have to prove over time their ability.
cswenson
Jan 24 @ 7:33 PM EST
#NHed
@gphilhower
absolutely! Not every student learns the same, not every student can show what they know the same.
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 24 @ 7:34 PM EST
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@coachpb33
IMO, testing is the wrong approach for assessing learning in
#SBL
. I'd want experiences & projects to demonstrate mastery.
#NHed
gphilhower
Jan 24 @ 7:36 PM EST
@cswenson
I also like the idea of giving students some choice. Maybe they can tap into their interests as they show what they know
#NHed
cswenson
Jan 24 @ 7:36 PM EST
#NHed
@edventures
only in a perfect world, but we need to prepare them for all types of third party assessment too. Like AP testing...
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 24 @ 7:37 PM EST
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@gphilhower
@cswenson
That's why I'd love for NH to shift from discipline specific courses to multi-disciplinary experiences.
#NHed
coachpb33
Jan 24 @ 7:37 PM EST
@edventures
I teach P.E. I hear teachers complain because they feel like all they do is teach to the test for our statewide testing
#nhed
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 24 @ 7:38 PM EST
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@cswenson
Right but other than getting into college, when was the last time anyone had to take an AP type exam in biz?
#NHed
gphilhower
Jan 24 @ 7:38 PM EST
@edventures
@cswenson
I know I'm the foreigner her tonight but can you tell me more about what is happening in NH with CB?
#NHed
cswenson
Jan 24 @ 7:38 PM EST
#NHed
We are doing a multi-disciplinary approach with Freshman Seminar. 5 Ts co-teach that course.
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 24 @ 7:38 PM EST
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@coachpb33
That's something that I fight every chance I get. Happy to see that
#ESSA
might give us some freedom.
#NHed
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 24 @ 7:39 PM EST
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@cswenson
Oh cool! Would love to hear more about that approach!
#NHed
cswenson
Jan 24 @ 7:39 PM EST
@edventures
#NHed
that's why I said in a perfect world. I hate the AP test for C.S. It doesn't translate programming skills authentically.
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 24 @ 7:40 PM EST
#NHed
Q4: If you’re already using
#CBL
, what positive aspects of Competency Based Learning have you seen?
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 24 @ 7:40 PM EST
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@cswenson
Hey, how's the new AP CS Curriculum? Heard it's change quite a bit.
#NHed
coachpb33
Jan 24 @ 7:40 PM EST
Not all students are college bound. But in wv, we put them all on same path. Not productive for them or society
#nhed
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 24 @ 7:41 PM EST
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@coachpb33
True. I think we need to recognize that more in all schools.
#NHed
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 24 @ 7:41 PM EST
#NHed
Q4 cont'd: If you aren’t using competency based learning, what would you imagine would be the benefits?
guilfordt
Jan 24 @ 7:41 PM EST
Sorry, I've been preoccupied with family, I'm going to have to tap out early.
#nhed
gphilhower
Jan 24 @ 7:42 PM EST
A4: I see lots of potential for student ownership of their learning
#NHed
cswenson
Jan 24 @ 7:42 PM EST
#NHed
@edventures
CS Principles is a new AP course, I don't teach that. They removed the case study, that's a challenge. Java 8 is diff.
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 24 @ 7:42 PM EST
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@guilfordt
No worries Tod, we'll always have the archives if you want to follow up this week!
#NHed
csousanh
Jan 24 @ 7:42 PM EST
#nhed
late but in earnest. Hi all. CBL reduces the subjectivity of grading. I like that.
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 24 @ 7:43 PM EST
#NHed
A4: For me I like that we ask our students to demonstrate mastery many times. I'd rather my future doc know all of CPR v. 75%!
coachpb33
Jan 24 @ 7:44 PM EST
@gphilpower
.. makes them feel more invested in their education
#nhed
cswenson
Jan 24 @ 7:44 PM EST
#NHed
A4: One of the benefits has been the conversations about learning with Ss. There is purpose, there are goals, a reason to learn.
audrallurvey
Jan 24 @ 7:45 PM EST
A4: CBL allows Ss to feel like they have a voice or some control in their education, esp if they are doing PBL
#nhed
cswenson
Jan 24 @ 7:45 PM EST
#NHed
A4: Being transparent with learning goals is important. I find that gets Ss buy-in over everything else.
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 24 @ 7:45 PM EST
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@cswenson
Yes! When students understand what they're supposed to learn, they can begin to figure out the whys & hows.
#NHed
csousanh
Jan 24 @ 7:45 PM EST
@edventures
plus the idea that Ss can relearn and apply Comps is a more authentic way of applying knowledge.
#nhed
coachpb33
Jan 24 @ 7:46 PM EST
Sorry..
@gphilhower
#nhed
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 24 @ 7:46 PM EST
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@csousanh
Agreed! I don't want Ss to settle for good enough, I want them to want to excel.
#NHed
Sjm4grlsMack
Jan 24 @ 7:46 PM EST
#NHed
students should always be given multiple opportunities to demonstrate mastery- does 70-80% equate to mastery
cswenson
Jan 24 @ 7:47 PM EST
#NHed
when we are using the "Computational Thinking" competency I can tell them "This will help improve your math skills" Suprts other areas
cswenson
Jan 24 @ 7:49 PM EST
@Sjm4grlsMack
#NHed
success rates in the working world are seldom 100%. 70-80% is proficient.
csousanh
Jan 24 @ 7:50 PM EST
#nhed
separating the habits of mind comps from subject competencies makes learning targets clearer.
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 24 @ 7:50 PM EST
#NHed
Q5: What are some drawbacks you’ve noticed about how NH (or your school) has implemented competency based learning?
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 24 @ 7:50 PM EST
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@cswenson
@Sjm4grlsMack
Which is where persistence & a drive for better outcome come into play.
#NHed
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 24 @ 7:50 PM EST
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@csousanh
We're doing that as well. We want to report on those habits but not have it cloud their ability.
#NHed
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 24 @ 7:51 PM EST
#NHed
Q5 cont’d: If you aren’t using competency based learning, what would you imagine would be some drawbacks?
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 24 @ 7:51 PM EST
#NHed
A5: One of my biggest concerns is student mobility. Are all competencies the same in NH? No. So how do we txfr a student's learning?
cswenson
Jan 24 @ 7:51 PM EST
#NHed
a drawback is reporting out of competency. Colleges want a GPA. Parents want an A, B, C, D, or F. Teachers want to streamline it, 1-4
csousanh
Jan 24 @ 7:51 PM EST
@edventures
The good news is the state will have clearly articulated competencies for both this spring
#nhed
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 24 @ 7:52 PM EST
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@csousanh
Really? I hadn't heard this. Can you elaborate?
#NHed
csousanh
Jan 24 @ 7:52 PM EST
#nhed
A5 early in the process, I had some teachers want to use the competencies as a means of ability grouping and tracking students.
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 24 @ 7:52 PM EST
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@cswenson
One upside to that is that slowly colleges are coming around to new ways of reporting.
#NHed
beeghleytech
Jan 24 @ 7:53 PM EST
Hey
#nhed
chat. Stopping by to say hello. Shoveling out after 30" of snow here in PA
cswenson
Jan 24 @ 7:53 PM EST
@csousanh
I hadn't heard this either. I worked at the state level to develop the rubric for competencies in NH
#NHed
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 24 @ 7:53 PM EST
#NHed
https://t.co/Xk02ao1c1z
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 24 @ 7:53 PM EST
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@beeghleytech
I'm jealous! We got squat here in NH.
#NHed
csousanh
Jan 24 @ 7:54 PM EST
@edventures
yes soon the state is going to have work habits and grade/graduate competencies K-12. No need to reinvent the wheel.
#nhed
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 24 @ 7:54 PM EST
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@csousanh
Ack if used improperly. Grouping & regrouping based on skills development can be useful if Ss are allowed out of the track.
#NHed
cswenson
Jan 24 @ 7:55 PM EST
#NHed
if that happens, then what happens to the locally developed competencies?
csousanh
Jan 24 @ 7:55 PM EST
@cswenson
nice, that was quite some time ago & now based on the work of the pace schools and Rose Colby much is been accomplished.
#nhed
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 24 @ 7:55 PM EST
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@csousanh
ETA?
#NHed
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 24 @ 7:56 PM EST
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@cswenson
Right! Wonder if my Ts should slow down until state releases.
#NHed
csousanh
Jan 24 @ 7:56 PM EST
@edventures
The hope is by March, but then again state timelines being what they are.... :)
#nhed
coachpb33
Jan 24 @ 7:56 PM EST
Thanks for letting me be a part. I like the idea!
#cbl
#nhed
cswenson
Jan 24 @ 7:56 PM EST
#NHed
if the state had planned on doing that all along, it would have been nice if they had done it first and saved us hours of work.
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 24 @ 7:56 PM EST
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@coachpb33
Swing by any time Paul!
#NHed
csousanh
Jan 24 @ 7:56 PM EST
@edventures
@jfberke
I loved that story.
#nhed
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 24 @ 7:56 PM EST
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@cswenson
Right!
#NHed
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 24 @ 7:57 PM EST
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@csousanh
@jfberke
Honestly I'm tired of doing everything b/c colleges are still stuck in their old ways.
#NHed
coachpb33
Jan 24 @ 7:57 PM EST
@edventures
thanks John
#nhed
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 24 @ 7:58 PM EST
Competency based learning is definitely a model to keep your eye on. We'll check in periodically on
#NHed
to see how it is progressing.
cswenson
Jan 24 @ 7:58 PM EST
#NHed
I went to the state's 2-day competency meeting in Concord and I don't remember any of this being said.
csousanh
Jan 24 @ 7:58 PM EST
@cswenson
most local competencies are subject comps these are going to be more global, your subject comps will become indicators
#nhed
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 24 @ 7:58 PM EST
I have a feeling we'll be talking more soon about this!
#CBL
#NHed
csousanh
Jan 24 @ 7:59 PM EST
@cswenson
amen. But it's still not all done yet so.....
#nhed
edventures
- Moderator
Jan 24 @ 7:59 PM EST
Thanks for joining tonight’s
#NHed
chat, it’s always great to reconnect with friends and share ideas.
cswenson
Jan 24 @ 7:59 PM EST
#NHed
where was this announced?