#21stedchat Archive

Our mission for our 21st century chat is to create a positive 21st century learning environment for our students by sharing resources and ideas that has worked in our classrooms. Join us every Sunday from 8:00-9:00 PM (EST) on Twitter using the hashtag #21stedchat. All are welcome!
Sunday April 23, 2017
8:00 PM EDT
  • Augment_EDU Apr 23 @ 8:00 PM EDT
    From the abacus to #AR #VR #MR. Read more about the evolution of #edtech in the classroom. #21stedchat https://t.co/UKf4E35Nmy
  • Edu_Thompson - Moderator Apr 23 @ 8:00 PM EDT
    Welcome to #21stedchat w/ @dprindle & I. Tonight’s topic: Hacking Assessment w/ guest host @mssackstein
  • participatechat Apr 23 @ 8:00 PM EDT
    Participate in the upcoming #21stedchat by sharing resources and collaborating at https://t.co/aFxK8dbjpQ
  • mssackstein Apr 23 @ 8:00 PM EDT
    Good evening everyone! Excited to participate in #21stedchat. I'm Starr from NY - HS English and instructional coach.
  • Edu_Thompson - Moderator Apr 23 @ 8:01 PM EDT
    Our special guest host is @mssackstein. She will do Q and A format. PLS introduce yourself. #21stedchat
  • MsMidSchoolMath Apr 23 @ 8:01 PM EDT
    Hi. Tasha from NJ here. #21stedchat
    In reply to @Edu_Thompson, @dprindle, @mssackstein
  • BodePE Apr 23 @ 8:01 PM EDT
    Bill from Chlt, NC HS #physed + #healthed tr. #21stedchat
  • Edu_Thompson - Moderator Apr 23 @ 8:01 PM EDT
    I am Jill from NC, Director Personalized Learning and #21stedchat co-host.
  • nsulla Apr 23 @ 8:02 PM EDT
    Dr. Nancy Sulla here at #21stedchat; creator of the Learner-Active, Technology-Infused Classroom #LATIC; Pres @IDECorp; author:
  • kobriengcs Apr 23 @ 8:02 PM EDT
    Hi, #21stedchat Kristin from NC here. HS English. :)
  • yvetterp2 Apr 23 @ 8:02 PM EDT
    Hi, Yvette Director/Founder Inspire Academy Middle School from NY #21stedchat
  • nathan_stevens Apr 23 @ 8:03 PM EDT
    Nathan and yep #21stedchat
  • nathan_stevens Apr 23 @ 8:03 PM EDT
    Hi Starr #21stedchat
    In reply to @mssackstein
  • CoachThigpen Apr 23 @ 8:04 PM EDT
    Samuel from AL, elementary #physed teacher @tischampions. First time in #21stedchat
  • mssackstein Apr 23 @ 8:04 PM EDT
    Hi Nathan. Happy to see you here #21stedchat
    In reply to @nathan_stevens
  • mssackstein Apr 23 @ 8:05 PM EDT
    Q1. How are students assessed in your classes? #21stedchat
  • hollynthompson2 Apr 23 @ 8:05 PM EDT
    #21stedchat I am a pre-service teacher at Western Washington University.
    In reply to @Edu_Thompson, @mssackstein
  • mssackstein Apr 23 @ 8:05 PM EDT
    Super excited to talk assessment! Always am :) #21stedchat
  • guyonsmile Apr 23 @ 8:05 PM EDT
    Laurie from NY and first time at #21stedchat
  • guyonsmile Apr 23 @ 8:06 PM EDT
    A1: Ss are assessed using formative tools as often as possible. Only do summative when I need to. #21stedchat
  • nathan_stevens Apr 23 @ 8:06 PM EDT
    A1 by roving around the room and have to write tutorials about why they create to share #21stedchat
    In reply to @mssackstein
  • mssackstein Apr 23 @ 8:06 PM EDT
    A1 Students are assessed on their learning/progress through a plethora of different kinds of formative assessments #21stedchat
  • Edu_Thompson - Moderator Apr 23 @ 8:06 PM EDT
    A1. Multiple ways, I like to triangulate the data #21stedchat
  • nathan_stevens Apr 23 @ 8:07 PM EDT
    A1 need to be blue to explain content in a way for non-tech people #21stedchat
    In reply to @mssackstein
  • mssackstein Apr 23 @ 8:07 PM EDT
    A1: They self-assess, reflect and I am always observing and providing various kinds of feedback #21stedchat
  • yvetterp2 Apr 23 @ 8:07 PM EDT
    A1 Ss will be assessed on portfolios #21stedchat
  • mssackstein Apr 23 @ 8:07 PM EDT
    You and me both! Plus that data is invaluable for planning upcoming lessons based on need #21stedchat
    In reply to @Edu_Thompson
  • BodePE Apr 23 @ 8:07 PM EDT
    A1 Hopefully not a trick ?, but ss are assessed in a variety of ways. Verbal, performance, Kahoots, GForms, written reflections #21stedchat
  • nsulla Apr 23 @ 8:08 PM EDT
    A1) In #LATIC we use perf-based transfer tasks and trad tests at unit end; ongoing form assessment w/ rubrics, Google forms, etc #21stedchat
  • Edu_Thompson - Moderator Apr 23 @ 8:08 PM EDT
    Yes, students that understand their data, own their learning #21stedchat
    In reply to @mssackstein
  • nathan_stevens Apr 23 @ 8:08 PM EDT
    That is so NSA of you. We are triangulating your location right now #21stedchat
    In reply to @Edu_Thompson
  • mssackstein Apr 23 @ 8:08 PM EDT
    I try to avoid summative in terms of testing, but often the final products like projects and papers serve in that way #21stedchat
    In reply to @guyonsmile
  • mssackstein Apr 23 @ 8:08 PM EDT
    portfolios are a great way to assess! Shows progress over time and gives students ownership of what goes in #21stedchat
    In reply to @yvetterp2
  • kobriengcs Apr 23 @ 8:08 PM EDT
    A1: I try to incorporate as much variety in formative assessment as poss b4 summative assessments. #21stedchat
  • mssackstein Apr 23 @ 8:09 PM EDT
    no tricks here... just trying to see how folks know what kids know and can do #21stedchat
    • BodePE Apr 23 @ 8:07 PM EDT
      A1 Hopefully not a trick ?, but ss are assessed in a variety of ways. Verbal, performance, Kahoots, GForms, written reflections #21stedchat
  • guyonsmile Apr 23 @ 8:09 PM EDT
    Agreed - we have to take grades so that's the best way #21stedchat
    In reply to @mssackstein
  • kobriengcs Apr 23 @ 8:09 PM EDT
    Teaching students how to self-assess is so valuable to them! #21stedchat
    In reply to @mssackstein
  • mssackstein Apr 23 @ 8:09 PM EDT
    how do the tests work out and who makes them? #21stedchat
    • nsulla Apr 23 @ 8:08 PM EDT
      A1) In #LATIC we use perf-based transfer tasks and trad tests at unit end; ongoing form assessment w/ rubrics, Google forms, etc #21stedchat
  • Edu_Thompson - Moderator Apr 23 @ 8:09 PM EDT
    What are in your portfolios? Are they digital? #21stedchat
    In reply to @yvetterp2
  • EduGladiators Apr 23 @ 8:09 PM EDT
    Don't miss this epic chat on developing Student Leadership⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️ #HISDAdminChat #edumatch #SafeSchoolsChat #AussieEd #TEPI2017 #21stedchat
  • mssackstein Apr 23 @ 8:09 PM EDT
    I'd argue it's an essential life skill #21stedchat
    In reply to @kobriengcs
  • AssignmentHelpN Apr 23 @ 8:10 PM EDT
    #1stchat #21stedchat #apchat #edchatri #GCLchat #ISNchat 9 Points Professors Look for in a Term Paper https://t.co/TIlvLrRta3
  • guyonsmile Apr 23 @ 8:10 PM EDT
    I do find that Ss who show their learning by helping others really shows a greater level of understanding #21stedchat
    • mssackstein Apr 23 @ 8:09 PM EDT
      no tricks here... just trying to see how folks know what kids know and can do #21stedchat
      • BodePE Apr 23 @ 8:07 PM EDT
        A1 Hopefully not a trick ?, but ss are assessed in a variety of ways. Verbal, performance, Kahoots, GForms, written reflections #21stedchat
  • KyleHamstra Apr 23 @ 8:10 PM EDT
    A1: My Ss are only assessed thru rigorous worksheets that I send home for homework to be graded every single night. #21stedchat
  • yvetterp2 Apr 23 @ 8:10 PM EDT
    We haven't opened yet, but they will be digital, mostly project work we are a PBL school #21stedchat
    In reply to @Edu_Thompson
  • nathan_stevens Apr 23 @ 8:11 PM EDT
    We do portfolios too. We use drive folders as portfolio location. #21stedchat
    In reply to @Edu_Thompson, @yvetterp2
  • sdtitmas Apr 23 @ 8:11 PM EDT
    Checking in from NJ for my first #21stedchat Scott, 5th Grade Teacher
    In reply to @mssackstein
  • Edu_Thompson - Moderator Apr 23 @ 8:11 PM EDT
    Good thing I know you well enough to know this isn't true because we would be having words. ;-) #21stedchat
    In reply to @KyleHamstra
  • nsulla Apr 23 @ 8:12 PM EDT
    A1) We use four types of formative assessment for Teacher as GPS! https://t.co/XLMV3DDoTV (click thru to free content) #21stedchat
  • mssackstein Apr 23 @ 8:12 PM EDT
    You are totally making me laugh right now... I know you are saying these things just to poke the bear! #21stedchat LOL
    In reply to @KyleHamstra
  • kobriengcs Apr 23 @ 8:12 PM EDT
    Because teachers enjoy grading worksheets SOOO much! They are the highlight of my day! #21stedchat
    In reply to @KyleHamstra
  • BodePE Apr 23 @ 8:12 PM EDT
    Ok, because 140 characters wasn't enough :) Constant assessments are a norm. #21stedchat
    In reply to @mssackstein
  • kheiladunkerly Apr 23 @ 8:12 PM EDT
    Yes! Data isn't just for Ts. Ss need to reflect on their learning, set goals. They need feedback to help them move forward. #21stedchat
    In reply to @Edu_Thompson, @mssackstein
  • mssackstein Apr 23 @ 8:12 PM EDT
    We used to do digital ones at my old school. Students got to choose their work and had to reflect w all items in it #21stedchat then present
    In reply to @Edu_Thompson, @yvetterp2
  • CoachThigpen Apr 23 @ 8:12 PM EDT
    A1 Observation and demonstration; peer and self assessment #21stedchat
  • mssackstein Apr 23 @ 8:13 PM EDT
    Creative Student Projects Synthesize Learning - Work in Progress - Education Week Teacher https://t.co/pbEWKOAfc6 #21stedchat
  • mssackstein Apr 23 @ 8:13 PM EDT
    Students Self-Assess For Mastery - Work in Progress - Education Week Teacher https://t.co/CW64z6tcB8 #21stedchat
  • nsulla Apr 23 @ 8:13 PM EDT
    The traditional tests? Ts or district make them to mirror stand tests they'll take since most st. tests are not perf-based #21stedchat
    In reply to @mssackstein
  • mssackstein Apr 23 @ 8:14 PM EDT
    yes! This is great. Need to get them involved with each other as much as possible #21stedchat
  • mssackstein Apr 23 @ 8:14 PM EDT
    the feedback is where the learning happens... it's personalized and based on their goals/reflection #21stedchat
    In reply to @kheiladunkerly, @Edu_Thompson
  • sdtitmas Apr 23 @ 8:14 PM EDT
    A1 This SY I've started using rubrics a lot more. It allows me to assess collaboration & other typically tough to grade work. #21stedchat
    In reply to @mssackstein
  • kobriengcs Apr 23 @ 8:14 PM EDT
    Portfolios can be so great! Both the ones that show improvement over time, as well as the ones that showcase best work. #21stedchat
    In reply to @mssackstein, @Edu_Thompson, @yvetterp2
  • mssackstein Apr 23 @ 8:14 PM EDT
    How to Give Specific, Timely Feedback - Work in Progress - Education Week Teacher https://t.co/wUgLE0SDjH #21stedchat
  • KyleHamstra Apr 23 @ 8:14 PM EDT
    Alright, Jill. You got me! Hope you are doing well. #21stedchat https://t.co/D29230AV4l
    In reply to @Edu_Thompson
    • KyleHamstra Mar 26 @ 3:42 PM EDT
      Finally! Honored to meet you F2F! Jill, you are SO nice. TY for the warm greeting and fantastic #nced conversation. #Empower17
      In reply to @Edu_Thompson
  • mssackstein Apr 23 @ 8:15 PM EDT
    Q2. What role do students play in the assessment process? #21stedchat
  • mssackstein Apr 23 @ 8:15 PM EDT
    It's even better when we allow students to be a part of the creation of the rubrics and other success criteria #21stedchat
    In reply to @sdtitmas
  • yvetterp2 Apr 23 @ 8:15 PM EDT
    We will have the students highlight what they feel is their best work but we like them to see the growth over time. #21stedchat
    In reply to @kobriengcs, @mssackstein, @Edu_Thompson
  • kobriengcs Apr 23 @ 8:15 PM EDT
    I have been LOVING @KaizenaHQ for feedback on student writing. It has made such as difference for me and my students! #21stedchat
    In reply to @mssackstein, @kheiladunkerly, @Edu_Thompson, @KaizenaHQ
  • mssackstein Apr 23 @ 8:15 PM EDT
    I hope those aren't given too often... I hate hearing things like that #21stedchat
    In reply to @nsulla
  • sdtitmas Apr 23 @ 8:16 PM EDT
    Absolutely. They helped me create and gave feedback. Of course we reviewed it prior to it being implemented. #21stedchat
    In reply to @mssackstein
  • Edu_Thompson - Moderator Apr 23 @ 8:16 PM EDT
    A2. They self-assess and make learning goals based on their needs. They use the data to drive their next steps. #21stedchat
  • BodePE Apr 23 @ 8:16 PM EDT
    A2 Beginning of yr, I model assessment, gradually moves to peer + ss assessments. #21stedchat
  • mssackstein Apr 23 @ 8:16 PM EDT
    It is good. @voxer is great for it too as well as Google docs/ comments - hand written #21stedchat
    In reply to @kobriengcs, @kheiladunkerly, @Edu_Thompson, @KaizenaHQ, @voxer
  • nathan_stevens Apr 23 @ 8:16 PM EDT
    A2 students need to be able to peer assess activities. It is a skill they will need later on in life #21stedchat
    In reply to @mssackstein
  • thinkLawUS Apr 23 @ 8:16 PM EDT
    26 Hall Passes That Will Make You Laugh Way Harder Than You Should. https://t.co/wyQuyF8vtb #SundayFunday #education #21stedchat #EdChat
  • yvetterp2 Apr 23 @ 8:17 PM EDT
    A2 We will be allowing students choice on how they want to be assessed sometimes. @Flipgrid will be an option #21stedchat
  • nathan_stevens Apr 23 @ 8:17 PM EDT
    A2 They peer review tutorials to make sure all their steps are in the document #21stedchat
    In reply to @mssackstein
  • KyleHamstra Apr 23 @ 8:17 PM EDT
    #21stedchat STARR! Would I do that? Really? Hope you are doing well. I'm still thinking on this: https://t.co/jHFQEV3iIh
    In reply to @mssackstein
  • nsulla Apr 23 @ 8:17 PM EDT
    Why? A unit is about 4-6 weeks in length. #21stedchat
    In reply to @mssackstein
  • mssackstein Apr 23 @ 8:17 PM EDT
    A2 Students are involved soup to nuts. They make decisions about the assessments, contribute to success criteria, adjust #21stedchat
  • guyonsmile Apr 23 @ 8:17 PM EDT
    A1: Ss reflect, record, and reinvent their learning. It could be a video, a rubric, or a creation activity - their choice #21stedchat
  • mssackstein Apr 23 @ 8:18 PM EDT
    Yes! We need to let them make the goals and set the pace and then help us norm where they need help #21stedchat
  • kobriengcs Apr 23 @ 8:18 PM EDT
    A2: An active one! (or they should, anyway...) It should be a constant convo between Ts and Ss. #21stedchat
  • mssackstein Apr 23 @ 8:18 PM EDT
    I know you wouldn't! But since I know you now, I knew you were kidding #21stedchat
    In reply to @KyleHamstra
  • yvetterp2 Apr 23 @ 8:18 PM EDT
    I love this, giving Ss choice is so important. Creation activity sounds awesome #21stedchat
    In reply to @guyonsmile
  • mssackstein Apr 23 @ 8:19 PM EDT
    peer assessment and feedback is huge, but they need to be taught to do it well #21stedchat has to be a part of the culture
    In reply to @nathan_stevens
  • billienapoleon Apr 23 @ 8:19 PM EDT
    How do you report progress (grades) weekly if using mostly formative assessments, portfolio assessments, and triangulating data? #21stedchat
  • MsMidSchoolMath Apr 23 @ 8:19 PM EDT
    Ss play a huge role. Through differentiation of instruction ss need a # of ways to show what they have learned. #21stedchat
    In reply to @mssackstein
  • nsulla Apr 23 @ 8:19 PM EDT
    A2) Ss self-assess regularly w/ rubrics, task mngmnt grids, content grids, learning dashboards; set goals & report on progress #21stedchat
  • mssackstein Apr 23 @ 8:19 PM EDT
    I know, I just think there are more productive ways to assess what kids know and can do and tests are limiting in that capacity #21stedchat
    In reply to @nsulla
  • KyleHamstra Apr 23 @ 8:20 PM EDT
    And Ss love doing them SO much! Makes educators re-think why so many worksheets given initially, right? #21stedchat https://t.co/ZmyztwMtiD
    In reply to @kobriengcs
  • nathan_stevens Apr 23 @ 8:20 PM EDT
    True dat #21stedchat
    In reply to @mssackstein
  • yvetterp2 Apr 23 @ 8:20 PM EDT
    This takes time, but it is so worth it in the end. #21stedchat
    In reply to @mssackstein, @nathan_stevens
  • mssackstein Apr 23 @ 8:20 PM EDT
    I love that! Kids making tutorials to teach is such a great way to show what they know #21stedchat
    In reply to @nathan_stevens
  • CoachThigpen Apr 23 @ 8:20 PM EDT
    A2 - Involving Ss in self and peer assessment is a process that encourages reflection and personal growth. #21stedchat
  • kheiladunkerly Apr 23 @ 8:20 PM EDT
    A2: Ss help develop rubrics, have opportunities for peer/self reflection. When conferencing w Ss they help id next steps. #21stedchat
  • kobriengcs Apr 23 @ 8:20 PM EDT
    Yes! How often do Ts say, "Do peer feedback" but don't show Ss how it's done? I know I'm guilty. #21stedchat
    In reply to @mssackstein, @nathan_stevens
  • nathan_stevens Apr 23 @ 8:20 PM EDT
    We start out with students doing evaluations on tutorials on other sites first before peers #21stedchat
    In reply to @mssackstein
  • sdtitmas Apr 23 @ 8:21 PM EDT
    A2 I've begun to let students score themselves & their group on rubrics as reflection. Add that to my assessment = grade. #21stedchat
    In reply to @mssackstein
  • mssackstein Apr 23 @ 8:21 PM EDT
    It's such a hard thing to know how to do instinctively. Takes practice. Lots of teachers need practice. Admin too #21stedchat
    In reply to @kobriengcs, @nathan_stevens
  • nsulla Apr 23 @ 8:22 PM EDT
    Agree! Assessment is multi-faceted and S-driven; but kids have to take a state test & they gain from familiarity w/ the format. #21stedchat
    In reply to @mssackstein
  • nathan_stevens Apr 23 @ 8:22 PM EDT
    We tell them that if they take knowledge from the Internet, they need to post what they do for the next person #responsiblemaker #21stedchat
    In reply to @mssackstein
  • mssackstein Apr 23 @ 8:23 PM EDT
    I agree that gaining familiarity is useful but I don't feel that these test really show what they know. It's a personal conflict #21stedchat
    In reply to @nsulla
  • sdtitmas Apr 23 @ 8:23 PM EDT
    👍🏻sounds like what I do. I like the rubric because it's more than just a number. It gives opportunity for reflection. #21stedchat
    In reply to @kheiladunkerly
  • nathan_stevens Apr 23 @ 8:23 PM EDT
    We also come up with expectations as a class at the beginning of the semester #21stedchat
    In reply to @mssackstein, @kobriengcs
  • mssackstein Apr 23 @ 8:23 PM EDT
    sounds awesome! And also engaging and meaningful for them #21stedchat #shoutout
    In reply to @nathan_stevens
  • kobriengcs Apr 23 @ 8:23 PM EDT
    Having Ss assess the assessment can be so helpful as well...best thing I did after #20Time showcase was honest Ss fb right after #21stedchat
  • yvetterp2 Apr 23 @ 8:24 PM EDT
    Reflection is so powerful, and should be used often. It takes time for Ss to learn how to truly reflect and grow #21stedchat
    In reply to @sdtitmas, @kheiladunkerly
  • sdtitmas Apr 23 @ 8:24 PM EDT
    That's why I like using a rubric. Allows for reflection in different areas. Rather than just A=good F=bad. #21stedchat
    In reply to @CoachThigpen
  • kobriengcs Apr 23 @ 8:24 PM EDT
    Doing this and sticking to it all year is so key! #21stedchat
    In reply to @nathan_stevens, @mssackstein
  • guyonsmile Apr 23 @ 8:24 PM EDT
    Awesome way to teach #digcit #21stedchat
  • DolezsarGlarvin Apr 23 @ 8:25 PM EDT
    Taking Risks & Being Vulnerable - Join us for the #CaringClassroom Chat in 90 minutes! #21stedchat #nhed #vaespchat
  • mssackstein Apr 23 @ 8:25 PM EDT
    Q3. What role should reflection play in mastery assessment? #21stedchat
  • kobriengcs Apr 23 @ 8:25 PM EDT
    I love that philosophy! #21stedchat
    In reply to @nathan_stevens, @mssackstein
  • mssackstein Apr 23 @ 8:25 PM EDT
    also why we need to disassociate grades with learning altogether #21stedchat
    In reply to @sdtitmas, @CoachThigpen
  • guyonsmile Apr 23 @ 8:25 PM EDT
    Not a huge fan of rubrics - unless they are made by the students! #21stedchat
    In reply to @sdtitmas, @CoachThigpen
  • mssackstein Apr 23 @ 8:26 PM EDT
    My AP students used to do grammar tutorial videos... lots of fun ideas for not so fun material. It was great #21stedchat
    In reply to @guyonsmile
  • kheiladunkerly Apr 23 @ 8:26 PM EDT
    And it helps them identify where they are heading. Best is when they help design-Ss input is powerful from the start! #21stedchat
    In reply to @sdtitmas
  • nathan_stevens Apr 23 @ 8:26 PM EDT
    A3 we have students keep project logs as they do activities. Let's them review their journey #21stedchat
    In reply to @mssackstein
  • mssackstein Apr 23 @ 8:26 PM EDT
    A3 Reflection needs to have a prominent role in the classroom and we can only know what kids show us and tell us #21stedchat
  • mssackstein Apr 23 @ 8:26 PM EDT
    Deepen Reflection, Deepen Learning - Work in Progress - Education Week Teacher https://t.co/gFp5R5sAGi #21stedchat
  • mssackstein Apr 23 @ 8:26 PM EDT
    Teaching Reflection in steps - Work in Progress - Education Week Teacher https://t.co/4brbLT2k0o #21stedchat
  • nsulla Apr 23 @ 8:27 PM EDT
    I hear you! Build S efficacy in a S-driven classroom & the tests aren't a drag; Ss were pumped to show the state what they knew. #21stedchat
    In reply to @mssackstein
  • mssackstein Apr 23 @ 8:27 PM EDT
    Teaching Students to Self-Assess: How do I help students reflect and grow as learners? https://t.co/qf5RDon9eb #21stedchat
  • guyonsmile Apr 23 @ 8:27 PM EDT
    Agreed. It's like apples and oranges! #21stedchat
    In reply to @mssackstein, @sdtitmas, @CoachThigpen
  • yvetterp2 Apr 23 @ 8:27 PM EDT
    A3 Reflection is crucial to deep learning it's almost impossible to learn when you don't reflect #21stedchat
  • kobriengcs Apr 23 @ 8:27 PM EDT
    A3: Reflection is key in helping students recognize the difference between familiarity and true learning, I think #21stedchat
  • mssackstein Apr 23 @ 8:28 PM EDT
    A2: Students play a huge role in all assessment and learning in my classes. https://t.co/wyapvD7rsY #21stedchat
  • mssackstein Apr 23 @ 8:28 PM EDT
    Yes, I think this is really useful to help them write about process which we need to value over product in terms of learning #21stedchat
    In reply to @nathan_stevens
  • mssackstein Apr 23 @ 8:28 PM EDT
    yes as it helps kids really consider how they arrived at learning and where they still need help #21stedchat
    In reply to @yvetterp2
  • Edu_Thompson - Moderator Apr 23 @ 8:28 PM EDT
    A3. Reflection needs to be throughout the whole learning process/cycle. #21stedchat
  • sdtitmas Apr 23 @ 8:28 PM EDT
    A3 reflection is vital. Numbers don't mean anything to the kids. Especially elementary. Let's reflect on strengths/weaknesses #21stedchat
    In reply to @mssackstein
  • guyonsmile Apr 23 @ 8:28 PM EDT
    Awesome idea! What do you use for the videos? My favorite movie maker is @teambiteable, but I haven't had my Ss use it yet. #21stedchat
    In reply to @mssackstein, @teambiteable
  • kobriengcs Apr 23 @ 8:28 PM EDT
    @JoyKirr is doing some amazing things in her classroom--feedback rather than grades #21stedchat
    In reply to @mssackstein, @sdtitmas, @CoachThigpen, @JoyKirr
  • mssackstein Apr 23 @ 8:29 PM EDT
    yes she is! #21stedchat
    In reply to @kobriengcs, @sdtitmas, @CoachThigpen, @JoyKirr
  • nathan_stevens Apr 23 @ 8:29 PM EDT
    If a student can write about a piece of content, then they understand it #21stedchat
    In reply to @mssackstein
  • mssackstein Apr 23 @ 8:29 PM EDT
    that's good to hear! In NY I feel like they are always stressed because they are always tested starting in 3rd grade #21stedchat #killslove
    In reply to @nsulla
  • MsMidSchoolMath Apr 23 @ 8:29 PM EDT
    A3. Perhaps reflection can ultimately enhance obtaining mastery because of reflection.#21stedchat
    In reply to @mssackstein
  • stephensonmused Apr 23 @ 8:30 PM EDT
    Hi! David, music educator & aspiring district leader, coming in really late from SC. #21stedchat
  • yvetterp2 Apr 23 @ 8:30 PM EDT
    Love this! #21stedchat
  • sdtitmas Apr 23 @ 8:30 PM EDT
    I agree with you 100%. I've said we should go back to standards based grading. Even though it'd be harder in the teacher IMO #21stedchat
    In reply to @kobriengcs, @mssackstein, @CoachThigpen, @JoyKirr
  • mssackstein Apr 23 @ 8:30 PM EDT
    agreed! They don't only have to write about it though, they can also do screencasts or video - talking works #21stedchat
    In reply to @nathan_stevens
  • nsulla Apr 23 @ 8:30 PM EDT
    This T "vets" Ss to run small-group, mini-lessons; Ss submit lesson plans. #21stedchat #LATIC
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      Michael facilitates a small group on equivalent fractions on a number line.
  • mssackstein Apr 23 @ 8:30 PM EDT
    Senior student discusses her learning from AP class in end of year assessment conference - YouTube https://t.co/63fQafLZ2h #21stedchat
  • mssackstein Apr 23 @ 8:31 PM EDT
    Student Self-Assessment Practices That Work - Work in Progress - Education Week Teacher https://t.co/UXtZxzbMV2 #21stedchat
  • Edu_Thompson - Moderator Apr 23 @ 8:31 PM EDT
    Its never too late, welcome to #21stedchat
    In reply to @stephensonmused
  • mssackstein Apr 23 @ 8:31 PM EDT
    yes, it is iterative for sure #21stedchat
    In reply to @MsMidSchoolMath
  • guyonsmile Apr 23 @ 8:31 PM EDT
    I've sat in on training on @flipgrid but haven't used it with Ss yet. I hadn't thought to use it for tutorials! Awesome idea #21stedchat
    In reply to @yvetterp2, @mssackstein, @flipgrid
  • nathan_stevens Apr 23 @ 8:31 PM EDT
    In our tutorials, they have to include a video in the tutorial because people learn in different ways #21stedchat
    In reply to @mssackstein
  • sdtitmas Apr 23 @ 8:31 PM EDT
    How do you typically assess group projects etc? I just find they are better than slapping a number grade on in something. #21stedchat
    In reply to @guyonsmile, @CoachThigpen
  • mssackstein Apr 23 @ 8:32 PM EDT
    I haven't but my son uses it with @AngelaAbend #21stedchat
    In reply to @yvetterp2, @guyonsmile, @AngelaAbend
  • CoachThigpen Apr 23 @ 8:32 PM EDT
    A3 - Reflection is a learned skill. Journal reflections can provide important data for Ts about Ss learning. #21stedchat
  • BrilldeRamirez Apr 23 @ 8:32 PM EDT
    Prof Susan in IL just done with yoga class & joining #21stedchat midway. Greetings to all! Will try to catch up.
  • nsulla Apr 23 @ 8:32 PM EDT
    Over-testing is awful; Ss deserve to engage in learning &demonstrate what they know in productive ways. #21stedchat
    In reply to @mssackstein
  • nathan_stevens Apr 23 @ 8:32 PM EDT
    Some people learn by reading text, some by looking at images and some through videos. Have to cover all of them #21stedchat
    In reply to @mssackstein
  • stephensonmused Apr 23 @ 8:32 PM EDT
    A3: Reflection should provide concrete evidence that Ss have achieved mastery. Reflection, also, fosters metacognition skills. #21stedchat
  • guyonsmile Apr 23 @ 8:33 PM EDT
    We create the rubric together when we start the project - Sometimes it's just a checklist and Ss feedback #21stedchat
    In reply to @sdtitmas, @CoachThigpen
  • nathan_stevens Apr 23 @ 8:33 PM EDT
    Hi Susan #21stedchat
    In reply to @BrilldeRamirez
  • kobriengcs Apr 23 @ 8:33 PM EDT
    I find rubrics helpful in showing students the WHY of their grades and that I did not just arbitrarily slap a letter on. #21stedchat
    In reply to @guyonsmile, @sdtitmas, @CoachThigpen
  • nathan_stevens Apr 23 @ 8:34 PM EDT
    We have students post on @instructables #21stedchat
    In reply to @mssackstein, @yvetterp2, @guyonsmile, @AngelaAbend, @instructables
  • mssackstein Apr 23 @ 8:34 PM EDT
    yes and that's why we have to teach them to anchor their reflection in standards and evidence from their learning #21stedchat
    In reply to @stephensonmused
  • mssackstein Apr 23 @ 8:34 PM EDT
    I think rubrics can also be very subjective... we need to look at what mastery looks like and backward plan #21stedchat
    In reply to @kobriengcs, @guyonsmile, @sdtitmas, @CoachThigpen
  • mssackstein Apr 23 @ 8:34 PM EDT
    yes and then we can have students align that checklist with standards and/or skills #21stedchat
    In reply to @guyonsmile, @sdtitmas, @CoachThigpen
  • guyonsmile Apr 23 @ 8:35 PM EDT
    Awesome idea! I've just discovered @instructables #21stedchat
    In reply to @nathan_stevens, @mssackstein, @yvetterp2, @AngelaAbend, @instructables, @instructables
  • sdtitmas Apr 23 @ 8:35 PM EDT
    Agreed. I realized at some point I was picking a point value & judging on my expectations. Not fair. Rubric was better option. #21stedchat
    In reply to @guyonsmile, @CoachThigpen
  • mssackstein Apr 23 @ 8:35 PM EDT
    Q4. When considering mastery, how do homework, participation and extra credit factor in? #21stedchat
  • guyonsmile Apr 23 @ 8:35 PM EDT
    I totally agree - a reflection is much better. #21stedchat
    In reply to @mssackstein, @kobriengcs, @sdtitmas, @CoachThigpen
  • sdtitmas Apr 23 @ 8:36 PM EDT
    Understand your point. I just don't know what the better choice is at this point. What ya think? Open to try something new #21stedchat
    In reply to @mssackstein, @kobriengcs, @guyonsmile, @CoachThigpen
  • Edu_Thompson - Moderator Apr 23 @ 8:36 PM EDT
    A4. Why I Don’t Believe in Giving Homework Anymore https://t.co/RXFMM4qir8 #21stedchat
  • nsulla Apr 23 @ 8:36 PM EDT
    A3) Everything! If Ss engage in learning activities, they determine if they learned & how; & use that info to sched their time #21stedchat
  • guyonsmile Apr 23 @ 8:36 PM EDT
    Or toss it out completely and give them a narrative eval and time to fix and try again. #failforward #21stedchat
    In reply to @sdtitmas, @CoachThigpen
  • mssackstein Apr 23 @ 8:36 PM EDT
    So Q4 is a bit of a twist for me as I don't believe that any of those things should play a part in assessment of mastery #21stedchat
  • mssackstein Apr 23 @ 8:37 PM EDT
    A4 HW is a faulty way of showing mastery as we can't be sure who has done it. It should never be graded #21stedchat
  • BrilldeRamirez Apr 23 @ 8:37 PM EDT
    "Because teachers enjoy grading worksheets SOOO much! They are the highlight of my day!" #21stedchat Where are the robots when we need them?
  • yvetterp2 Apr 23 @ 8:37 PM EDT
    A4 I'm not a fan of HW, I don't believe it really is proof of mastery. I''m never sure who did it Participation proves much more #21stedchat
  • kobriengcs Apr 23 @ 8:37 PM EDT
    A4: Confession time- most of my homework is reading the text (old school flipping), I don't grade participation or give EC #21stedchat
  • mssackstein Apr 23 @ 8:37 PM EDT
    A4 Extra credit is just a way for students to try to grade grub and it is seldom actually really important learning #21stedchat
  • mssackstein Apr 23 @ 8:37 PM EDT
    No, You Can't Do 'Extra Credit' - Work in Progress - Education Week Teacher https://t.co/c9RWpO10eH #21stedchat
  • kobriengcs Apr 23 @ 8:38 PM EDT
    TRUTH #21stedchat
    • mssackstein Apr 23 @ 8:37 PM EDT
      A4 Extra credit is just a way for students to try to grade grub and it is seldom actually really important learning #21stedchat
  • mssackstein Apr 23 @ 8:38 PM EDT
    Rethinking Homework for Student Success - ASCD Empower17 https://t.co/ghZ58DKyD7 #21stedchat
  • guyonsmile Apr 23 @ 8:38 PM EDT
    Have you used @RecapThat? Have them record a video stating what they learned and how they did. #21stedchat
    In reply to @sdtitmas, @mssackstein, @kobriengcs, @CoachThigpen, @RecapThat
  • mssackstein Apr 23 @ 8:38 PM EDT
    Liberate the Turkey and Homework on Holiday Weekends - Work in Progress - Education Week Teacher https://t.co/yzBI4ycRVy #21stedchat
  • yvetterp2 Apr 23 @ 8:38 PM EDT
    A4 My thought on HW https://t.co/UXcL4Vpsba #21stedchat
  • KyleHamstra Apr 23 @ 8:38 PM EDT
    A3: Love the video idea, @nathan_stevens. A video is worth so much, and most Ss LOVE being on camera. #21stedchat https://t.co/6oD4tH6Cjg
    In reply to @nathan_stevens, @mssackstein, @nathan_stevens
  • kobriengcs Apr 23 @ 8:38 PM EDT
    Will have to check that one out, thx! #21stedchat
    In reply to @guyonsmile, @sdtitmas, @mssackstein, @CoachThigpen, @RecapThat
  • mssackstein Apr 23 @ 8:38 PM EDT
    I hate hearing teachers say that they offered extra credit for non-learning related things like helping clean up #21stedchat
  • stephensonmused Apr 23 @ 8:39 PM EDT
    A4a: HW for music classes, primarily, translates into practicing. Small-tasks with incentives can be an answer to motivating Ss. #21stedchat
  • guyonsmile Apr 23 @ 8:39 PM EDT
    Let me know if you need help. It's amazing! #21stedchat
    In reply to @kobriengcs, @sdtitmas, @mssackstein, @CoachThigpen, @RecapThat
  • sdtitmas Apr 23 @ 8:39 PM EDT
    Narrative eval meaning just verbally giving feedback? Is your school giving traditional grades? That's where I'm stuck I guess #21stedchat
    In reply to @guyonsmile, @CoachThigpen
  • mssackstein Apr 23 @ 8:39 PM EDT
    Mastery assessment should be just that - what do kids know and can do? Not how well do they comply... #sigh #21stedchat
  • BrilldeRamirez Apr 23 @ 8:40 PM EDT
    A2 Students need peer assessment more to develop critical thinking & learn how to self-assess & improve thruout life & career. #21stedchat
    • nathan_stevens Apr 23 @ 8:16 PM EDT
      A2 students need to be able to peer assess activities. It is a skill they will need later on in life #21stedchat
      In reply to @mssackstein
  • MsMidSchoolMath Apr 23 @ 8:40 PM EDT
    A4. I don't think those things directly impact mastery. #21stedchat
    In reply to @mssackstein
  • stephensonmused Apr 23 @ 8:40 PM EDT
    A4b: We are not allowed to grade on participation or offer extra credit. #21stedchat
  • mssackstein Apr 23 @ 8:41 PM EDT
    completely agree... they shouldn't really impact them at all #21stedchat
    In reply to @MsMidSchoolMath
  • MsMidSchoolMath Apr 23 @ 8:41 PM EDT
    A4 Extra credit- I agree some students will try to do extra credit w/o turning in regular assignments. #21stedchat
    In reply to @mssackstein
  • nathan_stevens Apr 23 @ 8:41 PM EDT
    A4 2 out of the 3 do not exist in our world #21stedchat
    In reply to @mssackstein
  • mssackstein Apr 23 @ 8:42 PM EDT
    if that is the case we need to ask ourselves why they aren't doing the work to begin with... EC can't stop the bleeding #21stedchat
    In reply to @MsMidSchoolMath
  • guyonsmile Apr 23 @ 8:42 PM EDT
    A written response about what they did well and what they could improve on. Then give them time to improve on it. #21stedchat
    In reply to @sdtitmas, @CoachThigpen
  • nathan_stevens Apr 23 @ 8:42 PM EDT
    To me mastery is overrated if we are always being in the previous knowledge #21stedchat
    In reply to @mssackstein
  • mssackstein Apr 23 @ 8:42 PM EDT
    that's amazing. I wish that was so where I am #21stedchat
    In reply to @stephensonmused
  • guyonsmile Apr 23 @ 8:43 PM EDT
    We do have traditional grading, but I give them more on the process and effort. The reflection often helps shape the grade. #21stedchat
    In reply to @sdtitmas, @CoachThigpen
  • CoachThigpen Apr 23 @ 8:43 PM EDT
    A4 - HW should be given only when it is essential to Ss learning #21stedchat
  • mssackstein Apr 23 @ 8:43 PM EDT
    Not sure what you mean by "being in the previous knowledge" - we always have to push toward synthesis and dev of skills #21stedchat deepen
    In reply to @nathan_stevens
  • KyleHamstra Apr 23 @ 8:44 PM EDT
    Sounds like meaningful blended learning #stuvoice opportunities. #21stedchat
    • nathan_stevens Apr 23 @ 8:32 PM EDT
      Some people learn by reading text, some by looking at images and some through videos. Have to cover all of them #21stedchat
      In reply to @mssackstein
  • guyonsmile Apr 23 @ 8:44 PM EDT
    I find Ss to be pretty honest if you ask them what grade they should get. The discussion can help shape the grade #21stedchat
    In reply to @sdtitmas, @mssackstein, @kobriengcs, @CoachThigpen, @RecapThat, @flipgrid
  • nsulla Apr 23 @ 8:44 PM EDT
    A4) If classrooms are designed for learning (not grading) there's no need for X-credit; #PBL is great for a learning culture. #21stedchat
  • stephensonmused Apr 23 @ 8:44 PM EDT
    A4c: Participation is a part of the process toward achieving mastery. Neither participation nor ex. credit should be quantified. #21stedchat
  • kobriengcs Apr 23 @ 8:44 PM EDT
    And I should clarify--I'm an English teacher, so "text"=the novel we're currently reading + annotating :) #21stedchat
  • mssackstein Apr 23 @ 8:45 PM EDT
    Q5. What is a take-away that you had from tonight’s #21stedchat?
  • nathan_stevens Apr 23 @ 8:45 PM EDT
    We layer learning. Learn one thing and then another way to do it that might be simpler #21stedchat
    In reply to @mssackstein
  • sdtitmas Apr 23 @ 8:45 PM EDT
    A4 I think participation is an important part. As for HW & EC I think there are better ways at the elementary level to assess. #21stedchat
    In reply to @mssackstein
  • BrilldeRamirez Apr 23 @ 8:45 PM EDT
    A3 Socrates taught that the highest knowledge is knowing what one doesn't know. Reflection crucial for growth & learning. #21stedchat
  • mssackstein Apr 23 @ 8:45 PM EDT
    totally agree. they are critical and when pressed can share more than we can see on any given assignment #21stedchat
    In reply to @guyonsmile, @sdtitmas, @kobriengcs, @CoachThigpen, @RecapThat, @flipgrid
  • mssackstein Apr 23 @ 8:46 PM EDT
    then I suppose it all matters in the intention and objective #21stedchat
    In reply to @nathan_stevens
  • nathan_stevens Apr 23 @ 8:46 PM EDT
    True #21stedchat
    In reply to @mssackstein
  • yvetterp2 Apr 23 @ 8:47 PM EDT
    Reflection is crucial #21stedchat
  • BrilldeRamirez Apr 23 @ 8:47 PM EDT
    A4 Cultures differ. Lots of homework works in Asia; less in many Euro nations. U.S. is so diverse. Need what works per district. #21stedchat
  • mssackstein Apr 23 @ 8:48 PM EDT
    We all agree that reflection is crucial and that students should be involved in the process. Now we have to get rid of grades #21stedchat
  • sdtitmas Apr 23 @ 8:48 PM EDT
    Agreed. Sorry if I'm stuck on same Q, what's the basis for the # though? Do you ultimately use a rubric? Or something else. #21stedchat
    In reply to @guyonsmile, @CoachThigpen
  • mssackstein Apr 23 @ 8:49 PM EDT
    Not enough! #21stedchat
    In reply to @KyleHamstra, @stephensonmused
  • stephensonmused Apr 23 @ 8:49 PM EDT
    A5: This resource is one takeaway from #21stedchat I'm going to try.
    • guyonsmile Apr 23 @ 8:38 PM EDT
      Have you used @RecapThat? Have them record a video stating what they learned and how they did. #21stedchat
      In reply to @sdtitmas, @mssackstein, @kobriengcs, @CoachThigpen, @RecapThat
  • kobriengcs Apr 23 @ 8:50 PM EDT
    A5: Reflection is key. Assessment and grading are not the same. Grading is hard. Dump it? (That will be even harder, though) ;) #21stedchat
  • mssackstein Apr 23 @ 8:50 PM EDT
    Check out hacking assessment and consider different assessment possibilities https://t.co/FmiYtCF2v2 #21stedchat
  • kobriengcs Apr 23 @ 8:50 PM EDT
    Ditto! And @guyonsmile is the go-to for help w/ it. #21stedchat
    In reply to @stephensonmused, @guyonsmile
  • KyleHamstra Apr 23 @ 8:51 PM EDT
    A5: As educators, we need to specifically focus on how our students can have the most meaningful learning experiences every day. #21stedchat
  • BrilldeRamirez Apr 23 @ 8:51 PM EDT
    A4 Proficiency at any skill requires practice. Need clear vision of skills to know what needs to be practiced in/out of school. #21stedchat
  • sdtitmas Apr 23 @ 8:51 PM EDT
    That's where I'm stuck. I totally agree but unfortunately can't make that decision. Trying to assess as if there were no grades. #21stedchat
    In reply to @mssackstein
  • MsMidSchoolMath Apr 23 @ 8:51 PM EDT
    A5. Reflection is key and all the resources provided. #21stedchat
    In reply to @mssackstein
  • nathan_stevens Apr 23 @ 8:52 PM EDT
    A5 that this chat went really fast #21stedchat
    In reply to @mssackstein
  • guyonsmile Apr 23 @ 8:52 PM EDT
    It's just that rubrics don't always show the effort Ss put into the work. #21stedchat
    In reply to @sdtitmas, @CoachThigpen
  • mssackstein Apr 23 @ 8:52 PM EDT
    try to avoid putting a number or letter on it for as long as possible then. Learning ends when the grade descends #21stedchat
    In reply to @sdtitmas
  • sdtitmas Apr 23 @ 8:52 PM EDT
    Thanks for your help! Great convo. I definitely would love to go gradeless and focus on learning and mastery. #21stedchat
    In reply to @guyonsmile, @CoachThigpen
  • kobriengcs Apr 23 @ 8:52 PM EDT
    And how do you reconcile that when the school requires grades? Culture has to change 1st, I think #21stedchat
    In reply to @sdtitmas, @mssackstein
  • mssackstein Apr 23 @ 8:52 PM EDT
    I thought so too! #21stedchat
    In reply to @nathan_stevens
  • mssackstein Apr 23 @ 8:53 PM EDT
    No, I've actually gotten kids involved with the process. They grade themselves #21stedchat
    In reply to @kobriengcs, @sdtitmas
  • BrilldeRamirez Apr 23 @ 8:53 PM EDT
    Takeaway: Whatever is repetitive is quickly becoming automated. Need to free up teachers & students from what is ineffective. #21stedchat
  • mssackstein Apr 23 @ 8:53 PM EDT
    I hate it though... the system and culture needs to change but if I wait for that, I may perish before change happens #21stedchat
    In reply to @kobriengcs, @sdtitmas
  • Edu_Thompson - Moderator Apr 23 @ 8:54 PM EDT
    A BIG THANK YOU to @mssackstein for guest hosting #21stedchat. Join us next wk topic: The End of School is Near - How Will You Finish.
  • CoachThigpen Apr 23 @ 8:54 PM EDT
    A5 - Take-away: Involve Ss in the assessment process. Reflection is essential is tool for Learning! #21stedchat
  • mssackstein Apr 23 @ 8:55 PM EDT
    thanks for sharing your thoughts and ideas #21stedchat
    In reply to @Edu_Thompson
  • guyonsmile Apr 23 @ 8:55 PM EDT
    I wish we could! But, giving Ss a chance to keep working and improving is so important for they to continue to love learning #21stedchat
    In reply to @sdtitmas, @CoachThigpen
  • yvetterp2 Apr 23 @ 8:55 PM EDT
    Thanks for a great evening of reflection #21stedchat
  • mssackstein Apr 23 @ 8:55 PM EDT
    I do it in high school where I get a lot of push back because of college and transcripts. It can be done. Don't give up #21stedchat
    In reply to @sdtitmas, @kobriengcs
  • PerspectivesNEd Apr 23 @ 8:55 PM EDT
    #21stedchat #cowetaedchat #sunchat #remakehighschool #rethinkhighschool
  • DJFTLL Apr 23 @ 8:56 PM EDT
    Newly curated #education resources at my global https://t.co/icd47a3ucV edu-library. #mnlead #nbtchat #wischat #21stedchat #apchat
  • guyonsmile Apr 23 @ 8:56 PM EDT
    Perfect! #21stedchat
    In reply to @sdtitmas, @CoachThigpen
  • BrilldeRamirez Apr 23 @ 8:56 PM EDT
    My best to all at #21stedchat In thinking where are the robots, kept hearing this classic: Send in the Clowns: https://t.co/mX0CbW3eeg
  • BrilldeRamirez Apr 23 @ 8:56 PM EDT
    My best to all at #21stedchat In thinking where are the robots, kept hearing this classic: Send in the Clowns: https://t.co/FQcnkM6f4Y
  • sdtitmas Apr 23 @ 8:58 PM EDT
    Thanks for a great conversation! I wanted to come see ya at @BNHolmdel but was busy that night. Hope to connect soon #21stedchat
    In reply to @mssackstein, @BNHolmdel
  • kobriengcs Apr 23 @ 8:58 PM EDT
    Thx for the great chat, all! Good ?s, @mssackstein #21stedchat
  • stephensonmused Apr 23 @ 8:58 PM EDT
    Please RT & follow us! Mentors of student/novice teachers: New chat coming next week! #StartRightNow #21stedchat #MNlead #wischat #APChat
  • guyonsmile Apr 23 @ 8:58 PM EDT
    That's awesome. I love the background too! What is Project extra? #21stedchat
    In reply to @AngelaAbend, @mssackstein, @yvetterp2, @flipgrid
  • KyleHamstra Apr 23 @ 8:59 PM EDT
    "Learners" implies active role in assessing themselves. "Students" implies passive role-T does all work. #21stedchat https://t.co/inhOpTJUQJ
    In reply to @mssackstein, @kobriengcs, @sdtitmas
    • KyleHamstra Apr 17 @ 11:33 AM EDT
      We need to push away from calling them Ss & start calling them learners. Ss & learners are two very different things. @plugusin #wonderwake