#gtchat Archive

Global #gtchat Powered by TAGT is a weekly chat on Twitter that takes place on Thursdays at 8 p.m. ET/7 p.m. CT and 5 p.m. PT in the U.S. For one hour, parents, educators, advocates and experts in the field of gifted and talented gather to share resources, links, authentic life experiences and insights about gifted issues.

Thursday December 14, 2017
8:00 PM EST

  • participatechat Dec 14 @ 8:00 PM EST
    Participate in the upcoming #gtchat by sharing resources and collaborating at https://t.co/BEJoOh0jXO
  • gtchatmod - Moderator Dec 14 @ 8:00 PM EST
    For the next hour I’ll be joining others at #gtchat ( #gifted #talented ) ~ please pardon the heavy stream or better yet; join us!
  • gtchatmod - Moderator Dec 14 @ 8:00 PM EST
    Welcome to Global Gifted and Talented Chat Powered by the Texas Association for the Gifted & Talented @TxGifted #TAGT #gtchat
  • gtchatmod - Moderator Dec 14 @ 8:01 PM EST
    Thanks for joining us to chat about “The Inconvenient Student” #gtchat
  • gtchatmod - Moderator Dec 14 @ 8:01 PM EST
    Our guest today is author of The Inconvenient Student and Executive Director of @SENG_Gifted - Dr. Michael Postma @mpost97 #gtchat
  • gtchatmod - Moderator Dec 14 @ 8:02 PM EST
    Let's take a minute to introduce ourselves. Share your name, location, & role! #gtchat
  • jofrei Dec 14 @ 8:03 PM EST
    Hi! Jo Freitag from Gifted Resources and Sprite's Site Victoria Australia here at noon Friday for #gtchat
  • gtchatmod - Moderator Dec 14 @ 8:03 PM EST
    I’m Lisa Conrad ~ an advocate for gifted children; state, national & international conference presenter; blogger and mother of 2 gifted adults. I live with my husband near Pittsburgh, PA #gtchat
  • laughingatchaos Dec 14 @ 8:03 PM EST
    Jen in N IL. Writer/flutist/homeschooler/advocate for 2e parents. Glad to be here. #gtchat
  • gtchatmod - Moderator Dec 14 @ 8:04 PM EST
    Hi, Jo! #gtchat Advisor
    • jofrei Dec 14 @ 8:03 PM EST
      Hi! Jo Freitag from Gifted Resources and Sprite's Site Victoria Australia here at noon Friday for #gtchat
  • gtchatmod - Moderator Dec 14 @ 8:04 PM EST
    Hi, Jen! #gtchat
    In reply to @laughingatchaos
  • bbjurenko Dec 14 @ 8:04 PM EST
    Beverly Jurenko listening in from Houston TX. Gifted Ed advocate and parent. #gtchat
  • gtchatmod - Moderator Dec 14 @ 8:05 PM EST
    New to #gtchat ? We use the Q1) / A1) format for our chat
  • gtchatmod - Moderator Dec 14 @ 8:05 PM EST
    Welcome, Beverly! #gtchat #TAGT
    • bbjurenko Dec 14 @ 8:04 PM EST
      Beverly Jurenko listening in from Houston TX. Gifted Ed advocate and parent. #gtchat
  • AlexandraClough Dec 14 @ 8:06 PM EST
    Hi! Alex Clough from Baltimore , Maryland. Former elementary teacher and counselor, currently homeschooling my two 2e kiddos. #gtchat
  • KJBIA Dec 14 @ 8:06 PM EST
    Kate in Iowa, joining tonight's #gtchat on "the inconvenient student"
  • gtchatmod - Moderator Dec 14 @ 8:06 PM EST
    Please remember to use the #gtchat hashtag to participate in the conversation. #gtchat
  • jofrei Dec 14 @ 8:06 PM EST
    Hi Beverley Hope you enjoy #gtchat
    • bbjurenko Dec 14 @ 8:04 PM EST
      Beverly Jurenko listening in from Houston TX. Gifted Ed advocate and parent. #gtchat
  • gtchatmod - Moderator Dec 14 @ 8:06 PM EST
    Welcome to #gtchat Alex!
    In reply to @AlexandraClough
  • gtchatmod - Moderator Dec 14 @ 8:07 PM EST
    Hi, Kate! #gtchat
    In reply to @KJBIA
  • gtchatmod - Moderator Dec 14 @ 8:07 PM EST
    Lurking to learn? Say ‘hi’ & then view a livestream from Participate Learning at https://t.co/1zR97oWQw0 #gtchat
  • giftedchlnges Dec 14 @ 8:07 PM EST
    Hi. Gail Post from Gifted Challenges. Psychologist, blogger, parent - not necessarily in that order #gtchat
  • gtchatmod - Moderator Dec 14 @ 8:08 PM EST
    Enjoy the chat! All the links & a summary of this chat will be posted later on our blog at https://t.co/jUsAaBcS81 #gtchat
  • gtchatmod - Moderator Dec 14 @ 8:08 PM EST
    Hi, Gail! #gtchat
    In reply to @giftedchlnges
  • gtchatmod - Moderator Dec 14 @ 8:08 PM EST
    Our first question is coming up; let’s get ready to chat! Please preface your responses with A1 #gtchat
  • teachagiftedkid Dec 14 @ 8:08 PM EST
    GT Specialist from NW Houston. Ready to chat after having breakfast (including coffee) for supper! #gtchat
  • gtchatmod - Moderator Dec 14 @ 8:09 PM EST
    Excited to collaborate and share ideas with you and @mpost97 today! #gtchat
  • carolmraymond Dec 14 @ 8:09 PM EST
    Carol Raymond participating in my first #gtchat from the DFW area. GT advocate, educator, parent of 2E, educational diagnostician and college counselor
  • gtchatmod - Moderator Dec 14 @ 8:09 PM EST
    Q1) How should we define twice-exceptionality in educational terms? #gtchat
  • gtchatmod - Moderator Dec 14 @ 8:10 PM EST
    Hi, Angie! #gtchat Advisor #TAGT
    • teachagiftedkid Dec 14 @ 8:08 PM EST
      GT Specialist from NW Houston. Ready to chat after having breakfast (including coffee) for supper! #gtchat
  • gtchatmod - Moderator Dec 14 @ 8:10 PM EST
    Welcome to #gtchat ! #TAGT
    • carolmraymond Dec 14 @ 8:09 PM EST
      Carol Raymond participating in my first #gtchat from the DFW area. GT advocate, educator, parent of 2E, educational diagnostician and college counselor
  • laughingatchaos Dec 14 @ 8:11 PM EST
    A1 I don’t think 2e should be defined in educational terms any more than giftedness should be. It’s wiring, & it’ll be there regardless of the educational setup. There’ll be 2e people after a zombie apocalypse. ;) #gtchat
  • cybraryman1 Dec 14 @ 8:12 PM EST
    A1 Twice exceptional (2E) is someone who is both gifted and has one or more disabilities. They are exceptional because of their strengths and their limitations. My Twice Exceptional - 2E page https://t.co/C4jjGgwAhW #gtchat
  • KJBIA Dec 14 @ 8:12 PM EST
    A1) Twice-exceptionality definitions fall within parameters set (often locally) for each exceptionality. Giftedness criteria sometimes more "squishy" than eligibility for a 504 plan or IEP. #gtchat
  • gtchatmod - Moderator Dec 14 @ 8:12 PM EST
    #gtchat
    • mpost97 Dec 14 @ 8:02 PM EST
      Ready to roll
      In reply to @gtchatmod
  • laughingatchaos Dec 14 @ 8:12 PM EST
    #gtchat
    • cybraryman1 Dec 14 @ 8:12 PM EST
      A1 Twice exceptional (2E) is someone who is both gifted and has one or more disabilities. They are exceptional because of their strengths and their limitations. My Twice Exceptional - 2E page https://t.co/C4jjGgwAhW #gtchat
  • gtchatmod - Moderator Dec 14 @ 8:12 PM EST
    #gtchat
    • mpost97 Dec 14 @ 8:12 PM EST
      I like to define 2e as highly gifted students with learning challenges (usually more than one) that can be social, emotional, or intellectual. A challenge that inhibits optimal learning.
      In reply to @gtchatmod
  • gtchatmod - Moderator Dec 14 @ 8:13 PM EST
    Thanks Jerry! #gtchat
    In reply to @cybraryman1
  • KJBIA Dec 14 @ 8:13 PM EST
    It will be there regardless of the educational setup - but for needs to be met through services provided by a school system, a definition is necessary. #gtchat
    In reply to @laughingatchaos
  • gtchatmod - Moderator Dec 14 @ 8:14 PM EST
    @mpost97 It looks like you may need to add the hashtag ---> #gtchat
  • laughingatchaos Dec 14 @ 8:14 PM EST
    True! I’d like to see ONE DEFINITION used across the board, & then see services actually provided. For both aspects of 2e, not just the deficits. #gtchat
    In reply to @KJBIA
  • gtchatmod - Moderator Dec 14 @ 8:15 PM EST
    A1) Within the same child can reside high intellectual ability and mental health challenges. We label them twice exceptional. Either may mask the other. #gtchat
  • AlexandraClough Dec 14 @ 8:15 PM EST
    The “should”is important. When the 2 es are defined and diagnosed separately kids get missed. #gtchat
  • Kate_Arms Dec 14 @ 8:15 PM EST
    Showing up late. Kate - Mom of 4 - most of us 2e - and coach to gifted adults and families. #gtchat
  • gtchatmod - Moderator Dec 14 @ 8:15 PM EST
    The Inconvenient Student Critical Issues in the Identification and Education of Twice-Exceptional Students (Amazon) https://t.co/8PgDscqI6W #gtchat
  • gtchatmod - Moderator Dec 14 @ 8:16 PM EST
    Hi, Kate! #gtchat
    In reply to @Kate_Arms
  • gtchatmod - Moderator Dec 14 @ 8:16 PM EST
    A1) “Twice-exceptional (2e) individuals evidence exceptional ability and disability which results in a unique set of circumstances.” (K. Dickson in The Inconvenient Student, p. 20) #gtchat
  • jofrei Dec 14 @ 8:16 PM EST
    A1) 2E students are both gifted and also have areas of limitation which can make demonstrating their giftedness a challenge #gtchat
  • gtchatmod - Moderator Dec 14 @ 8:17 PM EST
    The Six Types of Gifted Child: The Twice-exceptional via @jadeannrivera https://t.co/iMSSnpXGpi #gtchat
  • gtchatmod - Moderator Dec 14 @ 8:18 PM EST
    with a space between words. ;) #gtchat
    In reply to @mpost97
  • mpost97 Dec 14 @ 8:18 PM EST
    There are a number of definitions but the essence is that 2e persons have duel exceptionalities #gtchat
  • carolmraymond Dec 14 @ 8:18 PM EST
    A1) ADA: The ultimate outcome of an individual's efforts should not undermine a claim of disability #gtchat
  • gtchatmod - Moderator Dec 14 @ 8:19 PM EST
    Q2) What characteristics should teachers look for if they suspect 2E? #gtchat
  • gtchatmod - Moderator Dec 14 @ 8:19 PM EST
    Yes! Hope we continue the ADA! #gtchat
    • carolmraymond Dec 14 @ 8:18 PM EST
      A1) ADA: The ultimate outcome of an individual's efforts should not undermine a claim of disability #gtchat
  • jofrei Dec 14 @ 8:20 PM EST
    Sprite's Site What makes them 2E? https://t.co/Fh93miESq4 #gtchat
  • gtchatmod - Moderator Dec 14 @ 8:20 PM EST
    A2) 2E students often exhibit a ‘disconnect’ between performance and ability. Look for discrepancies. #gtchat
  • bbjurenko Dec 14 @ 8:20 PM EST
    A1) Asynchronous to an extreme. #gtchat
  • carolmraymond Dec 14 @ 8:20 PM EST
    Sections 35.108(d)(3) and 36.105(d)(3) (2008 Amendments) - potential for missed diagnosis #gtchat
  • jofrei Dec 14 @ 8:20 PM EST
    Sprite's Site - 2E is https://t.co/rOdhPvelnJ #gtchat
  • laughingatchaos Dec 14 @ 8:20 PM EST
    A2 In my experience, teachers either see the gifted or they see the challenges. Really hard to see both. #gtchat
  • gtchatmod - Moderator Dec 14 @ 8:21 PM EST
    Identification of Gifted Students with Learning Disabilities in a Response-to-Intervention Era (pdf) https://t.co/KR8coVMjC4 #gtchat
  • carolmraymond Dec 14 @ 8:22 PM EST
    FRUSTRATION! Behavioral problems with no apparent reason. Asynchrony. #gtchat
  • mpost97 Dec 14 @ 8:22 PM EST
    A)2 Teachers should be looking for a number of things: flashes of brillaince, high intenisties, evidence of creative thinking and problem solving, discrepancy data on formalized assessments, inconsistent performance...to name just a few. #gtchat
  • giftedchlnges Dec 14 @ 8:22 PM EST
    A2 Huge discrepancy between ability and capacity to express it #gtchat
  • gtchatmod - Moderator Dec 14 @ 8:22 PM EST
    A2) Asynchronous development will make assessment more challenging; all avenues should be pursued because there may be multiple disability/abilities. #gtchat
  • jofrei Dec 14 @ 8:22 PM EST
    A2) If the written work produced does not match the deep ideas expressed verbally suspect 2E #gtchat
  • pkpam Dec 14 @ 8:22 PM EST
    A2: Having parented a 2E, I wish her teachers had understood the string of missing work meant something other than lazy/defiant! #gtchat
  • Kate_Arms Dec 14 @ 8:23 PM EST
    A2) High frustration levels, complex thinking manifested in one area with unexpected challenges in other areas. #gtchat
  • gtchatmod - Moderator Dec 14 @ 8:23 PM EST
    Yes! #gtchat
  • pkpam Dec 14 @ 8:24 PM EST
    A2: Also- our lives could have been much different if the district had not said passing one class with an A meant no accommodations were needed. Ugly battle for 4 years. #gtchat
  • KJBIA Dec 14 @ 8:24 PM EST
    A2) Things that don't add up: high test scores but poor classroom performance; complex ideas shared verbally but not in writing; drastically uneven performance across subjects/academic areas...time to collaborate and ask questions. #gtchat
  • gtchatmod - Moderator Dec 14 @ 8:24 PM EST
    Identification and Assessment of Gifted Students with Learning Disabilities (pdf) https://t.co/kxESqya9Xf #gtchat
  • bbjurenko Dec 14 @ 8:25 PM EST
    A2) Social difficulties, more pronounced than for "regular" GT, may be present. #gtchat
  • gtchatmod - Moderator Dec 14 @ 8:25 PM EST
    Q3) What are some successful strategies for teaching 2E students in the classroom? #gtchat
  • mpost97 Dec 14 @ 8:26 PM EST
    In addition, I have yet to meet a 2e child that is exactly similar to another...all present unique profiles and thus require unique accommodations...however, there are patterns that can be detected (as mentioned previously) by the astute teacher #gtchat
  • gtchatmod - Moderator Dec 14 @ 8:26 PM EST
    A3) Always, always, always seek first to nurture strengths before accommodating disabilities. #gtchat
  • KJBIA Dec 14 @ 8:27 PM EST
    A2) Some evidence that presence of a disability label affects teachers' referral of students for gifted programs (Bianco 2005; Barnard-Brak et al 2015) #gtchat
  • pkpam Dec 14 @ 8:27 PM EST
    Not really related to a question, but— as a reg ed HS ELA teacher, I wish PD gave more attention to executive function’s role in the classroom. So overlooked. #gtchat
  • carolmraymond Dec 14 @ 8:28 PM EST
    A3) Allowing flexibility when showing mastery of learning - products/projects/verbal - options #gtchat
  • gtchatmod - Moderator Dec 14 @ 8:28 PM EST
    Supporting Twice-Exceptional Students in the Classroom (pdf) https://t.co/ebSpoksrjp #gtchat
  • jofrei Dec 14 @ 8:28 PM EST
    A3) Teachers need to modify their teaching to address the giftedness and the difficulties simultaneously #gtchat
  • gtchatmod - Moderator Dec 14 @ 8:28 PM EST
    A3) Use a combination of simultaneous supports – gifted intervention with OT or support personnel. #gtchat
  • jofrei Dec 14 @ 8:29 PM EST
    Sprite's Site - SCAMPER of modifications for 2E https://t.co/mKLNyCPSD7 #gtchat
  • gtchatmod - Moderator Dec 14 @ 8:29 PM EST
    We’re already halfway through our chat! Thank you for sharing your insights and inspiration! #gtchat
  • mpost97 Dec 14 @ 8:30 PM EST
    In hiring staff I always look for empathy first; an understanding of what it is to be a 2e student. Basic strategies include flexible teaching, teaching to strengths first to assist in remediating areas of weakness, sensory awareness, use of depth, breadth, and complexity #gtchat
  • teachagiftedkid Dec 14 @ 8:30 PM EST
    This is my experience, for sure. This builds trust. They need to know you are trying to understand them, not ridicule or expose them. #gtchat
    In reply to @gtchatmod
  • gtchatmod - Moderator Dec 14 @ 8:30 PM EST
    Introduction Supporting Twice Exceptional African American Students: Implications for Classroom Teaching (pdf) https://t.co/jBHFq4es4T #gtchat
  • KJBIA Dec 14 @ 8:30 PM EST
    A3) Don't exclude a 2e student from consideration for an intervention or strategy known to be successful, due only to presence of a second exceptionality (e.g., acceleration) #gtchat
  • FarleyJeffrey Dec 14 @ 8:30 PM EST
    A3) Be prepared to help the student - remediate - when he or she needs it but to step back when he or she is ready to soar. #2ekids #gtchat
  • carolmraymond Dec 14 @ 8:31 PM EST
    Always aim to meet the social/emotional needs first! If the 2E student is in fight/flight mode, they will not be learning! #gtchat
  • gtchatmod - Moderator Dec 14 @ 8:31 PM EST
    A3) An effort should be made to identify the exact abilities and disabilities before determining specific interventions. #gtchat
  • mpost97 Dec 14 @ 8:31 PM EST
    There is so much more here that needs to be said including extra time for tests and assignments...2e kids tend to be slow processors #gtchat
  • gtchatmod - Moderator Dec 14 @ 8:32 PM EST
    Hi, Jeffrey! #gtchat Advisor #TAGT
    In reply to @FarleyJeffrey
  • carolmraymond Dec 14 @ 8:33 PM EST
    SO IMPORTANT to advocate for accommodations, even if they are doing "okay" - go back to the ADA code mentioned earlier. :) #gtchat
    In reply to @mpost97
  • gtchatmod - Moderator Dec 14 @ 8:34 PM EST
    Q4) How can adults enforce rules and regulations in a non-confrontational way? #gtchat
  • giftedchlnges Dec 14 @ 8:34 PM EST
    Exactly @gtchatmod Need to differentiate what is going on; 2E is a broad, non-specific term, and covers a range of possibilities #gtchat
    In reply to @gtchatmod
  • pkpam Dec 14 @ 8:35 PM EST
    A3- More asking, less assuming. Teaching the child the skills they need rather than giving accountability in the name of teaching responsibility. #gtchat
  • gtchatmod - Moderator Dec 14 @ 8:35 PM EST
    A4) I think a change in attitude can help. Don’t immediately assume the student is lazy or so dysfunctional they aren’t worth the work to be reached. #gtchat
  • KJBIA Dec 14 @ 8:35 PM EST
    Yes - and "a school cannot consider the ameliorative effects of mitigating measures when determining how the impairment impacts the major life activities under consideration" https://t.co/RPHeDSTlvF #gtchat
    In reply to @carolmraymond, @mpost97
  • mpost97 Dec 14 @ 8:36 PM EST
    Another issue is fatigue...I see 2e kids continually code switching in the classroom moving from the familiar to the unkown. We need to give our 2e kids a break #gtchat
  • laughingatchaos Dec 14 @ 8:36 PM EST
    PREACH! They get wiped out just holding it together in class. #gtchat
    • mpost97 Dec 14 @ 8:36 PM EST
      Another issue is fatigue...I see 2e kids continually code switching in the classroom moving from the familiar to the unkown. We need to give our 2e kids a break #gtchat
  • gtchatmod - Moderator Dec 14 @ 8:37 PM EST
    Empirical Investigation of Twice Exceptionality: Where Have We Been and Where Are We Going? (pdf) https://t.co/gMZTueiOLO #gtchat
  • FarleyJeffrey Dec 14 @ 8:37 PM EST
    Too many #2ekids only ever do "okay" 'cuz they're "well" enough they don't fail but aren't "good" enough to meet #GT requirements. #gtchat
    In reply to @carolmraymond, @mpost97
  • pkpam Dec 14 @ 8:37 PM EST
    A4- I think it all boils down to relationship. #gtchat
  • gtchatmod - Moderator Dec 14 @ 8:38 PM EST
    A4) Teachers, admins and even parents can refrain from berating students and consider trying to accentuate positive behaviors. #gtchat
  • gtchatmod - Moderator Dec 14 @ 8:38 PM EST
    The Goldilocks Question: How to Support your 2e Child and Get it “Just Right” https://t.co/irBsJ4vmPX #gtchat
  • mpost97 Dec 14 @ 8:38 PM EST
    Adults need to understand the differences between misbehavior and brain function. In most cases, when a 2e child is acting out, the issue is a function of limbic delay or the limbic system being overwhelmed. At that point the child needs to reset in a safe environment #gtchat
  • FarleyJeffrey Dec 14 @ 8:40 PM EST
    A4) We can look at the intention behind the rules. Sometimes a rule one child needs has nothing to do with another child. #gtchat
  • gtchatmod - Moderator Dec 14 @ 8:40 PM EST
    Little by little, I'm beginning to see this happen in the schools where I work. #gtchat #smallstepsbigresults
    • mpost97 Dec 14 @ 8:38 PM EST
      Adults need to understand the differences between misbehavior and brain function. In most cases, when a 2e child is acting out, the issue is a function of limbic delay or the limbic system being overwhelmed. At that point the child needs to reset in a safe environment #gtchat
  • gtchatmod - Moderator Dec 14 @ 8:41 PM EST
    Great ideas, keep sharing! Question 5 is coming up. Preface your answer with A5) #gtchat
  • FarleyJeffrey Dec 14 @ 8:41 PM EST
    You are absolutely correct, @pkpam. #gtchat
    In reply to @pkpam, @pkpam
  • KJBIA Dec 14 @ 8:41 PM EST
    So hard to implement (and explain/justify!) in group settings - but important. #gtchat
    In reply to @FarleyJeffrey
  • pkpam Dec 14 @ 8:41 PM EST
    A4- Structuring a room with procedures. Patterns and knowing what to expect are helpful for the differently wired. Less to worry about. #gtchat
  • mpost97 Dec 14 @ 8:41 PM EST
    In addition, due to limbic delay, skills such as exec. functioning, language development, emotional regulation are not present 'in the moment'. Adults need to work on building these skills in 2e kids rather than punishing them for 'overreacting' #gtchat
  • gtchatmod - Moderator Dec 14 @ 8:41 PM EST
    Q5) How do strengths and weaknesses present differently in 2E kids? #2ekids #gtchat
  • swimfaster Dec 14 @ 8:42 PM EST
    While true, it is impossible to get understanding regarding this. I’m scaffolding from outside the walls of the school. Hard. #gtchat
    In reply to @KJBIA, @carolmraymond, @mpost97
  • giftedchlnges Dec 14 @ 8:44 PM EST
    A5) They can appear exaggerated or seem to cancel each other out. Result in obscuring really understanding these kids #gtchat
  • gtchatmod - Moderator Dec 14 @ 8:44 PM EST
    It is hard; no doubt about it. Many of us have struggled with this throughout our child's entire 12 years in school. :( #gtchat
    • swimfaster Dec 14 @ 8:42 PM EST
      While true, it is impossible to get understanding regarding this. I’m scaffolding from outside the walls of the school. Hard. #gtchat
      In reply to @KJBIA, @carolmraymond, @mpost97
  • laughingatchaos Dec 14 @ 8:44 PM EST
    A5 Kid appears average, or “normal,” when they’re anything but. #gtchat
  • mpost97 Dec 14 @ 8:44 PM EST
    In every way imaginable...they thrive in areas of strength (even lead) and hide their weaknesses so well. #gtchat
  • gtchatmod - Moderator Dec 14 @ 8:45 PM EST
    A5) Children with intellectual disabilities will not present the same as gifted children who also have intellectual challenges. #gtchat
  • gtchatmod - Moderator Dec 14 @ 8:45 PM EST
    Critical Issues in the Identification of Gifted Students with Co-Existing Disabilities: The Twice-Exceptional (pdf) https://t.co/uiZerCx7pA #gtchat
  • KJBIA Dec 14 @ 8:45 PM EST
    A5) Inconsistent performance can appear to the unitiated as willful, but isn't always (or maybe ever?) #gtchat
  • pkpam Dec 14 @ 8:46 PM EST
    A5- My 2 verbally gifted children can express they “get it” but one will usually lose the written work & the other struggles to actually write it. The strengths cast a shadow over the deficit, thus they are misunderstood. #gtchat
  • bbjurenko Dec 14 @ 8:46 PM EST
    A4) Try to show kids that 2E's don't mean harm - their brains work differently. This increased understanding and sensitivity can help with social interactions. #gtchat
  • gtchatmod - Moderator Dec 14 @ 8:46 PM EST
    A5) Intellectual ability can sometimes compensate for the weaknesses and make identification harder. #gtchat
  • swimfaster Dec 14 @ 8:47 PM EST
    Can not make headway on skill building within the school. Again, as his mom, we do this at home. So important for his future. #gtchat
    In reply to @mpost97
  • jofrei Dec 14 @ 8:47 PM EST
    A5) Neither gifted nor 2E students are homogenous groups - many diffs. area and degree of giftedness, type of difficulties physical, mental health, social/emotional, learning diffs etc #gtchat
  • laughingatchaos Dec 14 @ 8:48 PM EST
    It always comes back to wiring. Gifted and 2e kids are just wired differently. #gtchat
    • bbjurenko Dec 14 @ 8:46 PM EST
      A4) Try to show kids that 2E's don't mean harm - their brains work differently. This increased understanding and sensitivity can help with social interactions. #gtchat
  • Kate_Arms Dec 14 @ 8:48 PM EST
    A5) Every kid is different. Take my 4. One looks average but is frustrated and bored. Two have complex thoughts and read at highly advanced levels and cannot write a paragraph. One hardly read (dyslexia). One NEEDS math manipulatives and is then way above grade level. #gtchat
  • jofrei Dec 14 @ 8:49 PM EST
    One type of provision definitely does NOT fit all https://t.co/h7Cj1WSD44 #gtchat
  • gtchatmod - Moderator Dec 14 @ 8:49 PM EST
    I've heard that somewhere before ... #gtchat
    • laughingatchaos Dec 14 @ 8:48 PM EST
      It always comes back to wiring. Gifted and 2e kids are just wired differently. #gtchat
      • bbjurenko Dec 14 @ 8:46 PM EST
        A4) Try to show kids that 2E's don't mean harm - their brains work differently. This increased understanding and sensitivity can help with social interactions. #gtchat
  • laughingatchaos Dec 14 @ 8:49 PM EST
    LOL! It’s pretty much the song I sing LOUDLY AND EVERYWHERE. #gtchat
    In reply to @gtchatmod
  • gtchatmod - Moderator Dec 14 @ 8:50 PM EST
    Gifted and Dyslexic: How the Talent-centered Model Works https://t.co/Bj9mWvAthV #gtchat
  • gtchatmod - Moderator Dec 14 @ 8:50 PM EST
    Final question! Please preface your responses with A6) #gtchat
  • gtchatmod - Moderator Dec 14 @ 8:51 PM EST
    Q6) What’s the difference between underachievement and non-production? #gtchat
  • gtchatmod - Moderator Dec 14 @ 8:52 PM EST
    A6) A 2E student who is perceived as an underachiever may simply be not producing work. #gtchat
  • giftedchlnges Dec 14 @ 8:52 PM EST
    A6) UA is more or a "choice" - conscious or not; non-production due to wiring issues #gtchat
  • gtchatmod - Moderator Dec 14 @ 8:53 PM EST
    Fundamentals of Gifted Education: Considering Multiple Perspectives (Amazon) https://t.co/yFKoFsjq8L #gtchat
  • mpost97 Dec 14 @ 8:53 PM EST
    A6: There is a big difference. Underachievement is a psychological disorder that needs to be addressed by professionals while non-production (fairly common with g/t kids is a conscious decision not to due the work for a host of reasons: boring, busy work, low level... #gtchat
  • gtchatmod - Moderator Dec 14 @ 8:54 PM EST
    A6) An underachiever who is twice-exceptional may not understand the concept; have no idea as to why they aren’t achieving in school. #gtchat
  • pkpam Dec 14 @ 8:54 PM EST
    A6- I think the relationship between the two is more complex than we realize. #gtchat
  • giftedchlnges Dec 14 @ 8:54 PM EST
    A6) Research defs. of UA exclude LD's - since 2E issues are not viewed as within conscious/familial/environmental control #gtchat
  • swimfaster Dec 14 @ 8:55 PM EST
    A6) Underachievement may actually have tremendous effort behind the scenes. #gtchat
  • mpost97 Dec 14 @ 8:55 PM EST
    If a student can articulate why he/she will not due the work, that would be non-production whereas a underachiever will not be able to explain the issue. #gtchat
  • gtchatmod - Moderator Dec 14 @ 8:55 PM EST
    Is Executive Functioning the Missing Link for Many Gifted Students? https://t.co/gxO40pgmcZ #gtchat
  • KJBIA Dec 14 @ 8:56 PM EST
    Huh. I'd like to read more about this - any references to point me to? #gtchat
    In reply to @giftedchlnges
  • giftedchlnges Dec 14 @ 8:56 PM EST
    A6) 2E kids can be UA's, just like other gifted kids, but need to distinguish how much is under their control #gtchat
  • gtchatmod - Moderator Dec 14 @ 8:56 PM EST
    We’re nearing the end of #gtchat today … final thoughts/takeaways? #gtchat
  • gtchatmod - Moderator Dec 14 @ 8:56 PM EST
    This #gtchat will be archived at @Storify & the link will be shared via @gtchatmod later today #gtchat
  • laughingatchaos Dec 14 @ 8:57 PM EST
    YES IT IS EF IS ALLLLLLLLLL OF EVERYTHING please save me from EF in this house… #gtchat
  • gtchatmod - Moderator Dec 14 @ 8:57 PM EST
    More links & a summary of today’s chat will be posted on the #gtchat Blog at https://t.co/jUsAaBcS81 #gtchat
  • gtchatmod - Moderator Dec 14 @ 8:57 PM EST
    Thank you to Dr. Michael Postma @mpost97 , author and Executive Director of @SENG_Gifted for being our guest today #gtchat
  • gtchatmod - Moderator Dec 14 @ 8:58 PM EST
    Thanks to the great #TAGT team @TxGifted for their always awesome support; we couldn’t do it without them! #gtchat
  • mpost97 Dec 14 @ 8:58 PM EST
    Thank you all for participating #gtchat
  • laughingatchaos Dec 14 @ 8:59 PM EST
    Always my pleasure, @mpost97 ! #gtchat
    In reply to @mpost97, @mpost97
  • gtchatmod - Moderator Dec 14 @ 8:59 PM EST
    Our next chat will be the last chat of the year on Thursday Dec 21st at 8E/7C/6M/5P US Friday 21st Dec at 2PM NZDT/Noon AEDT/1 AM UK. Our topic will be “Challenging Myths about Gifted Children.” #gtchat
  • giftedchlnges Dec 14 @ 8:59 PM EST
    Thanks. Thought-provoking chat and a reminder to pay attention to these misunderstood kids #gtchat
  • gtchatmod - Moderator Dec 14 @ 9:00 PM EST
    That’s a wrap! Thank you all for participating. Your thoughts, comments & eagerness to help each other are inspiring! Hope you’ll join us next week. #gtchat