#RuralEdChat Archive

#RuralEdChat is a chat that focuses on the needs of the rural educator. This chat has been revised by Tammy Neil (@MathNeil), John Martin (@edventures) and Natalee Stotz (@nataleestotz).

Tuesday November 27, 2018
8:30 PM EST

  • TG_Neil - Moderator Nov 27 @ 8:31 PM EST
    Good Evening, #RuralEdChat I hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving last week.
  • try_rebooting Nov 27 @ 8:31 PM EST
    So frustrating! So many of my students might not head to college, at least right away - their plan is just as important! #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @j6panus
  • try_rebooting Nov 27 @ 8:32 PM EST
    Hello everyone! Welcome to #RuralEdChat! As we get started, take a moment to introduce yourself and you connection to rural ed - whether it be teacher, admin, aide, pre-service, etc
  • j6panus Nov 27 @ 8:33 PM EST
    Yes! He is struggling to find a path, but to them is college or military or who cares. Ss going to jobs don't "count". :( #ruraledchat
    In reply to @try_rebooting
  • j6panus Nov 27 @ 8:34 PM EST
    I didn't get nothin', I had to pay $50 and pick up the garbage.. ;) #ruraledchat #alicesrestaurant
    In reply to @TG_Neil
  • wmjackson Nov 27 @ 8:34 PM EST
    #RuralEdChat Had a great time and ate just enough !! Hope yours was great as well @TG_Neil and everyone else.
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Nov 27 @ 8:35 PM EST
    Oh no. Hopefully things will get better. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @j6panus
  • 937Nathan Nov 27 @ 8:35 PM EST
    Nate Hamblin - Rural Educator(HS) & Advocate from SW Ohio. #RuralEdChat
    • try_rebooting Nov 27 @ 8:32 PM EST
      Hello everyone! Welcome to #RuralEdChat! As we get started, take a moment to introduce yourself and you connection to rural ed - whether it be teacher, admin, aide, pre-service, etc
  • try_rebooting Nov 27 @ 8:35 PM EST
    I'm Matt, your humble host for the evening. I volunteer teach online courses for a rural school in central WA, and help train my partner classroom teacher. All computer science focused. #RuralEdChat
  • j6panus Nov 27 @ 8:35 PM EST
    Home in NH on our 2nd snow day already this year.. K-8 STEM teacher.. :) #ruraledchat
  • try_rebooting Nov 27 @ 8:36 PM EST
    "Just enough" is always a level I wish I could stay at for Thanksgiving #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @wmjackson, @TG_Neil
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Nov 27 @ 8:36 PM EST
    They most definitely do. So many fields that need people immediately. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @j6panus, @try_rebooting
  • wmjackson Nov 27 @ 8:36 PM EST
    @RuralEdChat #ruraledchat Hello everyone this is William from #Jacksonville PE Teacher and a host of other jobs at my school in @DuvalSchools Glad to be here.
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Nov 27 @ 8:37 PM EST
    So glad to have you here, William. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @wmjackson, @RuralEdChat, @DuvalSchools
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Nov 27 @ 8:38 PM EST
    Oh, well I guess I need to listen to more music. Expand my horizons. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @j6panus
  • try_rebooting Nov 27 @ 8:38 PM EST
    2 already sounds like you're in for a loooooooong winter #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @j6panus
  • try_rebooting Nov 27 @ 8:39 PM EST
    Our chat tonight will follow a Q1, Q2, etc. pattern, so keep an eye out for those. And remember to keep tagging #RuralEdChat!
  • wmjackson Nov 27 @ 8:39 PM EST
    @RuralEdChat #ruraledchat There are so many options available, even @NPR had a story recently on careers for kids not going to college to show there are still viable careers not requiring a college degree.
  • assignmenthelp Nov 27 @ 8:40 PM EST
  • wmjackson Nov 27 @ 8:40 PM EST
    @RuralEdChat #ruraledchat Young people should be shown all available options even for vocational education. That is my opinion...
  • try_rebooting Nov 27 @ 8:41 PM EST
    Q1: What are some of the paths available to your students post graduation? #RuralEdChat
  • wmjackson Nov 27 @ 8:42 PM EST
    @RuralEdChat #ruraledchat One issue that presents a problem is sometimes kids don't know what they like or dislike because schools are on a college track curriculum. There should be adjustments for vocational options and culinary too.
  • try_rebooting Nov 27 @ 8:43 PM EST
    #RuralEdChat
    • j6panus Nov 27 @ 8:42 PM EST
      A1: As I am finding, college and military are the primary. Sad, our area has many high-tech manuf. companies. They make parts and sensors and such for SpaceX and NASA. But no connection for HS to these.
      In reply to @try_rebooting
  • 937Nathan Nov 27 @ 8:43 PM EST
    A1: Traditional College, of course. However, thanks to multiple community/tech schools there are non-traditional options that require far less debt. #RuralEdChat
  • j6panus Nov 27 @ 8:44 PM EST
    My son is interested in diesel mechanics and welding, but our Voc Autos is being renovated, and they are in the classroom since August. :( #ruraledchat
    In reply to @wmjackson, @RuralEdChat
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Nov 27 @ 8:44 PM EST
    A1: Beyond college, or military, there are so many options. Vocational programs that provide certifications are very needed right now. Construction field definitely needing skilled workers. #RuralEdChat
  • try_rebooting Nov 27 @ 8:44 PM EST
    It's a shame there's no link there. Do all of the manufacturing jobs there required more or specialized training? #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @j6panus
  • j6panus Nov 27 @ 8:45 PM EST
    no, most will train AND pay for further schooling! #ruraledchat
    In reply to @try_rebooting
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Nov 27 @ 8:45 PM EST
    I wonder if there is a technical college or program where he can learn. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @j6panus, @wmjackson, @RuralEdChat
  • 937Nathan Nov 27 @ 8:46 PM EST
    Pathway options should be discussed/explored sooner within Ss time at school. Just finished a unit in my class doing just that - even though it is a math class - because #StudentsMatter #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @wmjackson, @RuralEdChat
  • wmjackson Nov 27 @ 8:46 PM EST
    @RuralEdChat #ruraledchat A1. Even though I teach elem school, I attend WordCamp and EdCamp conf and learned certificates and licences do matter. Kids can get Microsoft certifications in tech and even colleges like @FSCJ_Official has training in vocational and tech careers.
  • try_rebooting Nov 27 @ 8:47 PM EST
    What did this unit look like? What did students do? How'd it fit into math? Especially with math courses being so core, that's a great place to do it #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @937Nathan, @wmjackson, @RuralEdChat
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Nov 27 @ 8:47 PM EST
    My district has @suwanneertc where people can earn certifications towards technical careers. #RuralEdChat
  • j6panus Nov 27 @ 8:47 PM EST
    A2: College and/or military are both great options.. just not the only ones. We recently honored not only Vets, but our HS Seniors who have committed to military after grad. it was very nice. #ruraledchat
  • 937Nathan Nov 27 @ 8:48 PM EST
    A1b: We also have Manufacturing Day Within the county. Students visit an organized and informative trip to multiple local manufacturing plants and businesses in order to see other options. #RuralEdChat
  • try_rebooting Nov 27 @ 8:48 PM EST
    We have a Microsoft Office IT Certification that students can get as a part of one of our classes. It's both helpful and looks great for everything - jobs, college applications, etc. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @wmjackson, @RuralEdChat, @FSCJ_Official
  • wmjackson Nov 27 @ 8:51 PM EST
    @RuralEdChat #ruraledchat A1. For high schools partner with the Chamber of Commerce in the city and state, most memberships are free for teachers and students which is great. When there are careers days ask specifically for non-college career options for ppl to come and speak.
  • try_rebooting Nov 27 @ 8:51 PM EST
    Q2: Our answers to Q1 mentioned a lot of pathways. Which ones do you think you're best at helping students follow? Which do you need to improve in supporting? #RuralEdChat
  • 937Nathan Nov 27 @ 8:52 PM EST
    It is a full week research project. Students do interest and career inventories, career outlook, schooling/training options, debt considerations, etc. Culminates in a paper/presentation. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @try_rebooting, @wmjackson, @RuralEdChat
  • j6panus Nov 27 @ 8:52 PM EST
    A2: highlighting careers and career pathways are very important! They cannot aspire to what they do not know. #ruraledchat
    • try_rebooting Nov 27 @ 8:51 PM EST
      Q2: Our answers to Q1 mentioned a lot of pathways. Which ones do you think you're best at helping students follow? Which do you need to improve in supporting? #RuralEdChat
  • wmjackson Nov 27 @ 8:53 PM EST
    @RuralEdChat #ruraledchat That is one thing I regret, not getting MS certified since I'm so involved in tech in different areas and speak on it at conferences. Kids need to understand there is continuous and never ending learning to do. #Tech #AlwaysLearning.
  • KelliWhite6 Nov 27 @ 8:54 PM EST
    A1: Here in Saskatchewan, Canada, many graduates go to University or Career Colleges. Some choose to join the work force before diving into costly school programs. #RuralEdChat
  • try_rebooting Nov 27 @ 8:55 PM EST
    A2: I know I'm pretty good at college-bound support, which makes sense, since it's the path I took. I need to learn more to get better at supporting students with plans for vocational training, or no plans at all #RuralEdChat
  • wmjackson Nov 27 @ 8:55 PM EST
    @RuralEdChat #ruraledchat A2. I like to ask the students occasionally what they want to be and then suggest they research it in books, on YouTube, etc. Try to spark some interest early. Since NAS Jax is down the street we have a high number of military kids that are well rounded
  • j6panus Nov 27 @ 8:56 PM EST
    A2-2: I try to do this with my students.. but my kids went to a different school.. I could do only so much.. they never listen to "Mom" the way they do to teachers and others. #ruraledchat
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Nov 27 @ 8:56 PM EST
    A2: As a middle school teacher, I try to help my students see a variety of pathways. Also I try to provide them time to learn about what their choices require. #RuralEdChat
  • 937Nathan Nov 27 @ 8:57 PM EST
    A2b: Would like to strengthen the tech/career side. Doing a small unit with sophomores tomorrow before they head out for a trip to our area Career and Technical Center on Thursday. #RuralEdChat
    • try_rebooting Nov 27 @ 8:51 PM EST
      Q2: Our answers to Q1 mentioned a lot of pathways. Which ones do you think you're best at helping students follow? Which do you need to improve in supporting? #RuralEdChat
  • try_rebooting Nov 27 @ 8:57 PM EST
    Sounds awesome. Would love to hear about what they learn (and what you learn about what they learn!) #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @937Nathan
  • j6panus Nov 27 @ 8:59 PM EST
    I think it has to start younger. Even by 6/7 grade they have formed distinct ideas about what they can and cannot do. #ruraledchat
    In reply to @937Nathan
  • 937Nathan Nov 27 @ 9:00 PM EST
    #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @j6panus
  • try_rebooting Nov 27 @ 9:00 PM EST
    Q3: How do we adjust our course content to be relevant to all of these outcomes? Is that even possible? #RuralEdChat
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Nov 27 @ 9:00 PM EST
    I have a friend that does home repair for a living. He says he has a difficult time finding qualified workers. #RuralEdChat
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Nov 27 @ 9:01 PM EST
    So true. Many of my students are already deciding if college is right for them. We need to make sure that they understand their choices are valid. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @j6panus, @937Nathan
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Nov 27 @ 9:02 PM EST
    A3: Some of us just can't adjust too much. But I think we can all provide time for career exploration through our subjects. What careers require higher level math, reading, history, science, etc.? #RuralEdChat
  • j6panus Nov 27 @ 9:02 PM EST
    and help parents see that both choices are valid.. some auto-think college is out of the question, others think college is the only "acceptable" choice. O_o #ruraledchat
    • TG_Neil - Moderator Nov 27 @ 9:01 PM EST
      So true. Many of my students are already deciding if college is right for them. We need to make sure that they understand their choices are valid. #RuralEdChat
      In reply to @j6panus, @937Nathan
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Nov 27 @ 9:03 PM EST
    At one time in our history, our job was to get students to graduate. I don't understand why there is a stigma now attached to "only being a high school graduate". #RuralEdChat
  • j6panus Nov 27 @ 9:04 PM EST
    A3: Easy for me.. I teach K-8 STEM/Engineering.. we problem solve and design solutions to challenges.. applicable everywhere. I also highlight careers, inventors and other interesting things. #ruraledchat
    In reply to @try_rebooting
  • try_rebooting Nov 27 @ 9:05 PM EST
    A3: Even in Computer Science courses, we have to really plan and be conscious about spending time to talk about career options and next step. There's no "one" job that coding helps you do. We need tech-knowledgeable project managers, designers, marketers, etc #RuralEdChat (1/?)
  • j6panus Nov 27 @ 9:05 PM EST
    A3 b. I try to build a wide base for Ss to see the world on. #ruraledchat
    In reply to @try_rebooting
  • 937Nathan Nov 27 @ 9:05 PM EST
    A3: We can’t on a large scale - Not within our educational model that resembles 19th & 20th century with a focus on mandated testing. #RuralEdChat
    • try_rebooting Nov 27 @ 9:00 PM EST
      Q3: How do we adjust our course content to be relevant to all of these outcomes? Is that even possible? #RuralEdChat
  • try_rebooting Nov 27 @ 9:06 PM EST
    A3: So, I guess "how I adjust" is taking the time to just talk and have students research. Trying to pull in other speakers is great too. #RuralEdChat (2/2)
  • try_rebooting Nov 27 @ 9:06 PM EST
    Man you're gonna love Q4 ;) #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @937Nathan
  • 937Nathan Nov 27 @ 9:08 PM EST
    A3b: But until that #mindset shift takes place, you just do it where you can. When you remember that #TeachingMatters because #StudentsMatter - makes it easy to do. #RuralEdChat
    • try_rebooting Nov 27 @ 9:00 PM EST
      Q3: How do we adjust our course content to be relevant to all of these outcomes? Is that even possible? #RuralEdChat
  • wmjackson Nov 27 @ 9:08 PM EST
    @RuralEdChat #ruraledchat A3 One option is to have kids attend tech conferences to generate interest and network. My girlfriend @LoveBuiltLife and I are Organizers for #KidsCamp and use STEAM to teach web development at #WordCamp conferences.
  • try_rebooting Nov 27 @ 9:08 PM EST
    which is so important for students in that age range (and all ranges, really). Showing students open doors that they didn't even know existed is so important and so incredible. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @j6panus
  • wmjackson Nov 27 @ 9:09 PM EST
    @RuralEdChat #ruraledchat A3 I use to take students with me from my elementary school and when I taught at a local college to tech conferences and even #EdCamp conferences to see how things are done. HS should take Ss to conferences for exposure and networking.
  • 937Nathan Nov 27 @ 9:10 PM EST
    #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @TG_Neil
  • j6panus Nov 27 @ 9:12 PM EST
    That sounds awesome!! #ruraledchat
    • wmjackson Nov 27 @ 9:09 PM EST
      @RuralEdChat #ruraledchat A3 I use to take students with me from my elementary school and when I taught at a local college to tech conferences and even #EdCamp conferences to see how things are done. HS should take Ss to conferences for exposure and networking.
  • try_rebooting Nov 27 @ 9:13 PM EST
    Q4: How does standardized testing impact each of these audiences, and our abilities to help them? #RuralEdChat
  • wmjackson Nov 27 @ 9:14 PM EST
    @RuralEdChat #ruraledchat A4. I think @dene_gainey mentioned not to long ago Ss having their own #EdCamp conferneces. This can showcase careers options and even talk to professionals and maybe find internships. That would generate great interest.
  • 937Nathan Nov 27 @ 9:15 PM EST
    Maybe even sooner. I have a 7 year old nephew who is completely focused on being a Youtuber. And he is good at it! #Mindset in education must change! #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @j6panus
  • 937Nathan Nov 27 @ 9:17 PM EST
    A4: Shifts the focus away from teaching/training each child in the way they should go. #RuralEdChat
    • try_rebooting Nov 27 @ 9:13 PM EST
      Q4: How does standardized testing impact each of these audiences, and our abilities to help them? #RuralEdChat
  • wmjackson Nov 27 @ 9:18 PM EST
    @j6panus #RuralEdChat @RuralEdChat We had a great time and they learned about the business aspects of running a tech business, understanding why networking is important and why they should have business cards. A great learning exp.
    • j6panus Nov 27 @ 9:12 PM EST
      That sounds awesome!! #ruraledchat
      • wmjackson Nov 27 @ 9:09 PM EST
        @RuralEdChat #ruraledchat A3 I use to take students with me from my elementary school and when I taught at a local college to tech conferences and even #EdCamp conferences to see how things are done. HS should take Ss to conferences for exposure and networking.
  • try_rebooting Nov 27 @ 9:19 PM EST
    A4: To get specific: standardized testing means fewer students have time for my course. And for the AP class, it means we're pretty set on curriculum and pacing before my students even walk in the room. Talk about personalization. #RuralEdChat
    • try_rebooting Nov 27 @ 9:13 PM EST
      Q4: How does standardized testing impact each of these audiences, and our abilities to help them? #RuralEdChat
  • 937Nathan Nov 27 @ 9:20 PM EST
    A4b: Differentiation is highly recommended and encouraged pedagogical practice but standardized testing - especially state mandated testing - is not differentiated! #RuralEdChat
    • try_rebooting Nov 27 @ 9:13 PM EST
      Q4: How does standardized testing impact each of these audiences, and our abilities to help them? #RuralEdChat
  • wmjackson Nov 27 @ 9:22 PM EST
    @937Nathan @j6panus @RuralEdChat #RuralEdChat Alot of kids at my school want to be YouTubers. They follow me on YouTube I have to make sure my content highlights what is going on at school, educational material. I want to do a workshop at school on social media @DuvalSchools
    • 937Nathan Nov 27 @ 9:15 PM EST
      Maybe even sooner. I have a 7 year old nephew who is completely focused on being a Youtuber. And he is good at it! #Mindset in education must change! #RuralEdChat
      In reply to @j6panus
  • try_rebooting Nov 27 @ 9:24 PM EST
    What's frustrating for me in CS about this is that in real world coding, reasoning through problems, doing research, and planning algorithms are the most critical things, and you can only barely scratch the surface in a standardized test. #WhatsThePoint #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @937Nathan
  • 937Nathan Nov 27 @ 9:24 PM EST
    A4c: I will say this. I do place a focus on such standardized tests like the ACT. It is a “gateway” test that will enable some of our rural students - especially #FirstGen student - to break through some barriers. #RuralEdChat
    • try_rebooting Nov 27 @ 9:13 PM EST
      Q4: How does standardized testing impact each of these audiences, and our abilities to help them? #RuralEdChat
  • 937Nathan Nov 27 @ 9:25 PM EST
    #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @wmjackson, @j6panus, @RuralEdChat, @DuvalSchools
  • try_rebooting Nov 27 @ 9:26 PM EST
    Q5: for our final question, I want to loop back to the beginning of the chat: what's one of your practices that any teacher could do to support student exploration of post-HS pathways? #RuralEdChat
  • try_rebooting Nov 27 @ 9:27 PM EST
    That's so cool. And so great you're able to support them so well on being content creators! #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @wmjackson, @937Nathan, @j6panus, @RuralEdChat, @DuvalSchools