#ASEchat Archive
The Association for Science Education (ASE) promotes excellence in science teaching and learning. Follow #ASEchat Mondays at 3pm ET.
Monday July 18, 2016
3:00 PM EDT
A_Weatherall
- Moderator
Jul 18 @ 3:01 PM EDT
OK - if you can join us, we're discussing what
@JustineGreening
and co need to do to improve science education in schools...
#asechat
kassiecrosby13
Jul 18 @ 3:02 PM EDT
Here goes my first experience with twitter chat!
#edms7030
#asechat
A_Weatherall
- Moderator
Jul 18 @ 3:02 PM EDT
Or, if you think they should just leave us alone for a while we can share our best ideas for class displays
#asechat
https://t.co/zjX1SynJhn
A_Weatherall
- Moderator
Jul 18 @ 3:01 PM EDT
OK - if you can join us, we're discussing what
@JustineGreening
and co need to do to improve science education in schools...
#asechat
hrogerson
Jul 18 @ 3:02 PM EDT
@A_Weatherall
@JustineGreening
leave us alone to sort the current chaos?
#asechat
doc_kristy
Jul 18 @ 3:03 PM EDT
@A_Weatherall
@JustineGreening
quite honestly, just leave us alone, less meddling would be very welcome
#asechat
ViciaScience
Jul 18 @ 3:05 PM EDT
Been discussing teaching of stats in science today
#ASEChat
Not sure will improve without intervention
hrogerson
Jul 18 @ 3:05 PM EDT
Plenty money so class sizes can be closer to 25 than 36 and schools can afford class sets of basics like thermometers.
#asechat
A_Weatherall
- Moderator
Jul 18 @ 3:05 PM EDT
I asked
@NickGibbMP
to sort this again yesterday. Mistakes like these are so frustrating.
@JustineGreening
https://t.co/citcHBx8NH
#asechat
A_Weatherall
- Moderator
Jul 18 @ 3:06 PM EDT
@ViciaScience
go on?....
#asechat
hrogerson
Jul 18 @ 3:07 PM EDT
I would like
@JustineGreening
to read the
@royalsociety
vision as a place to start
https://t.co/L25Dk3G5VB
#asechat
hrogerson
Jul 18 @ 3:08 PM EDT
@A_Weatherall
@NickGibbMP
@JustineGreening
really good point, ironing out the mistakes in the national curriculum would be good.
#asechat
ViciaScience
Jul 18 @ 3:08 PM EDT
@A_Weatherall
currently using archaic methods, and poorly understood
#ASEChat
hrogerson
Jul 18 @ 3:10 PM EDT
.
@JustineGreening
absolutely needs to get on top of possible issues with grading of 1-9 GCSEs and keep an eye on
@ofqual
#asechat
ViciaScience
Jul 18 @ 3:10 PM EDT
I notice Justine Greening opened the Updated Kings Cross. My train is late home
#ASEChat
NeedhamL56
- Moderator
Jul 18 @ 3:10 PM EDT
An investigation into what’s happened with primary science the 3rd core subject. HMCI says
https://t.co/WonrfhSQnm
#asechat
@JustineGreening
A_Weatherall
- Moderator
Jul 18 @ 3:11 PM EDT
Those grade descriptors were quite something weren't they ?!?
#asechat
https://t.co/70loV0ZhAJ
hrogerson
Jul 18 @ 3:10 PM EDT
.
@JustineGreening
absolutely needs to get on top of possible issues with grading of 1-9 GCSEs and keep an eye on
@ofqual
#asechat
hrogerson
Jul 18 @ 3:12 PM EDT
Would also love to see focus on gender balance in schools: hope she reads
@PhysicsWorld
work in this area.
https://t.co/5TXyMaksJ9
#asechat
ViciaScience
Jul 18 @ 3:12 PM EDT
What statistical methods should be taught at KS3? (See PoS KS3 WS)
#ASEChat
NeedhamL56
- Moderator
Jul 18 @ 3:12 PM EDT
Hi
@hrogerson
@JustineGreening
@ofqual
what do you think the issues are going to be? 1-9
#GCSE
#asechat
hrogerson
Jul 18 @ 3:13 PM EDT
.
@JustineGreening
please read
https://t.co/5TXyMaksJ9
about gender balance in schools. I was really shocked.
#asechat
ViciaScience
Jul 18 @ 3:13 PM EDT
Sunny station appearing on horizon. I need to leave
#ASEChat
Sorry
A_Weatherall
- Moderator
Jul 18 @ 3:14 PM EDT
Splitter! Tell us more about the archaic stats. That would have been rivetting
#asechat
https://t.co/lWHvFmJnpw
ViciaScience
Jul 18 @ 3:13 PM EDT
Sunny station appearing on horizon. I need to leave
#ASEChat
Sorry
hrogerson
Jul 18 @ 3:14 PM EDT
@NeedhamL56
@JustineGreening
@ofqual
weird stuff like more students with 9-9 than 7-8 because of use of statistics.
#asechat
A_Weatherall
- Moderator
Jul 18 @ 3:15 PM EDT
@hrogerson
@NeedhamL56
@JustineGreening
@ofqual
that's been fixed I think because of new formula
#asechat
hrogerson
Jul 18 @ 3:15 PM EDT
@NeedhamL56
@JustineGreening
@ofqual
plus we had BTEC, core and Add and triple, where is 4-4 line drawn?
#asechat
ViciaScience
Jul 18 @ 3:15 PM EDT
@A_Weatherall
we assess stats tests that are easy to assess, not those used outside school, and still use look up tables
#ASEChat
hrogerson
Jul 18 @ 3:16 PM EDT
@A_Weatherall
@NeedhamL56
@JustineGreening
@ofqual
using what statistics? Core/add? BTEC? It's not like for like.
#asechat
NeedhamL56
- Moderator
Jul 18 @ 3:16 PM EDT
Should we be teaching Science to students? or be divided up into Bio, Phys and Chem?
@JustineGreening
do you know the answer?
#asechat
#TS
hrogerson
Jul 18 @ 3:16 PM EDT
@NeedhamL56
@JustineGreening
excellent question!
#asechat
hrogerson
Jul 18 @ 3:18 PM EDT
I reckon
@JustineGreening
will have to see what the impact of ebacc and new GCSEs are on a-level science uptake.
#asechat
gregtheseal
Jul 18 @ 3:18 PM EDT
#asechat
is
@JustineGreening
going to bring back grammar schools and how will it affect science?
hrogerson
Jul 18 @ 3:19 PM EDT
Especially recruitment of teachers to the other schools?
#asechat
https://t.co/UhozFXSmal
gregtheseal
Jul 18 @ 3:18 PM EDT
#asechat
is
@JustineGreening
going to bring back grammar schools and how will it affect science?
hrogerson
Jul 18 @ 3:20 PM EDT
I totally forgot about recruitment of science teachers!
#asechat
gregtheseal
Jul 18 @ 3:20 PM EDT
@hrogerson
@JustineGreening
exactly.
#asechat
NeedhamL56
- Moderator
Jul 18 @ 3:20 PM EDT
If STEM supply is critical why are primary schools allowed to ‘get away with’ teaching so little science?
@JustineGreening
#asechat
E & M
A_Weatherall
- Moderator
Jul 18 @ 3:20 PM EDT
Yes,
@MichaelT1979
asked about this last month
#asechat
https://t.co/dy0OvuMMYI
NeedhamL56
- Moderator
Jul 18 @ 3:20 PM EDT
If STEM supply is critical why are primary schools allowed to ‘get away with’ teaching so little science?
@JustineGreening
#asechat
E & M
NeedhamL56
- Moderator
Jul 18 @ 3:22 PM EDT
Yes this, in a STEM driven UK. Will schools be judged on Post16 uptake of sciences?
#asechat
@JustineGreening
https://t.co/vgCTXxXS7K
hrogerson
Jul 18 @ 3:18 PM EDT
I reckon
@JustineGreening
will have to see what the impact of ebacc and new GCSEs are on a-level science uptake.
#asechat
A_Weatherall
- Moderator
Jul 18 @ 3:22 PM EDT
Yes,
@JustineGreening
needs to get
@NickGibbMP
to rethink his science teacher recruitment plan: not working
#asechat
https://t.co/PSyAOsJhNx
hrogerson
Jul 18 @ 3:20 PM EDT
I totally forgot about recruitment of science teachers!
#asechat
NeedhamL56
- Moderator
Jul 18 @ 3:23 PM EDT
and
@JustineGreening
is Computer Science really a Science?
#progress8
#asechat
A_Weatherall
- Moderator
Jul 18 @ 3:24 PM EDT
@NeedhamL56
@JustineGreening
I speak from experience of teaching both that the answer to that is no
#asechat
kassiecrosby13
Jul 18 @ 3:24 PM EDT
@NeedhamL56
I didn't even realize that was a big problem. Science should be taught at all, if not most, grade levels.
#asechat
#edms7030
A_Weatherall
- Moderator
Jul 18 @ 3:24 PM EDT
@NeedhamL56
@JustineGreening
despite my suggestions to the contrary last summer :)
#asechat
NeedhamL56
- Moderator
Jul 18 @ 3:26 PM EDT
@kassiecrosby13
is supposed to be, but read HMCI report
https://t.co/WonrfhSQnm
to see demise of primary science
#asechat
@JustineGreening
A_Weatherall
- Moderator
Jul 18 @ 3:26 PM EDT
@hrogerson
@NeedhamL56
@JustineGreening
@ofqual
#asechat
more on this
https://t.co/6imq65Vjxd
NeedhamL56
- Moderator
Jul 18 @ 3:27 PM EDT
@A_Weatherall
@JustineGreening
Ah! thank you, I remember you bigging it up
#asechat
A_Weatherall
- Moderator
Jul 18 @ 3:28 PM EDT
@NeedhamL56
@JustineGreening
#devilsadvocate
#asechat
Just trying to justify my change to computer science in new role :)
stevethedoc1
Jul 18 @ 3:29 PM EDT
@NeedhamL56
@kassiecrosby13
@JustineGreening
#asechat
last two schools OfSted in LA explored sci especially WS, when, what and how?
A_Weatherall
- Moderator
Jul 18 @ 3:29 PM EDT
@hrogerson
@NeedhamL56
@JustineGreening
@ofqual
#asechat
and again...
https://t.co/dSiSh70F8K
A_Weatherall
- Moderator
Jul 18 @ 3:30 PM EDT
and my version of the magic formula
#asechat
https://t.co/PBCrSpfgdP
A_Weatherall
- Moderator
Jul 18 @ 3:20 PM EDT
@hrogerson
@NeedhamL56
@JustineGreening
@ofqual
from back in April
https://t.co/WDtzMqLUww
kassiecrosby13
Jul 18 @ 3:30 PM EDT
@NeedhamL56
@JustineGreening
That's crazy to me! Science is so important and involved in other subjects and experiences!
#asechat
#edms7030
A_Weatherall
- Moderator
Jul 18 @ 3:32 PM EDT
Any more q's for
@JustineGreening
about science ed from the chalkface?
#asechat
or shall we move to which font our displays should use?
NeedhamL56
- Moderator
Jul 18 @ 3:32 PM EDT
.
@JustineGreening
what support 4 science teachers to teach science and what help 4 SLT to u/stand demands
#asechat
https://t.co/bLXkIFrcIM
prof_di_chimica
Jul 18 @ 3:29 PM EDT
@NeedhamL56
@JustineGreening
being a specialist in one subject is enough - spreading yourself thinly over 3 subjects is hard going
gregtheseal
Jul 18 @ 3:33 PM EDT
@A_Weatherall
Garamond?
#asechat
NeedhamL56
- Moderator
Jul 18 @ 3:33 PM EDT
@Ofstednews
said they would focus on Science in primary so its good to know they are doing just that
#asechat
& WS!
https://t.co/zWK3NEmB5F
stevethedoc1
Jul 18 @ 3:29 PM EDT
@NeedhamL56
@kassiecrosby13
@JustineGreening
#asechat
last two schools OfSted in LA explored sci especially WS, when, what and how?
A_Weatherall
- Moderator
Jul 18 @ 3:34 PM EDT
I assume we've all seen these really useful statements? We asked, they gave. Utter waste of bytes
https://t.co/rzqeJrWRhd
#asechat
NeedhamL56
- Moderator
Jul 18 @ 3:34 PM EDT
@kassiecrosby13
@JustineGreening
can you use
#asechat
so that it gets included in the time line? Thanks
A_Weatherall
- Moderator
Jul 18 @ 3:35 PM EDT
@gregtheseal
got anything in a sans-serif?
#asechat
NeedhamL56
- Moderator
Jul 18 @ 3:35 PM EDT
@NeedhamL56
@kassiecrosby13
AARGH apologies, you just did
#asechat
CazGerrard
Jul 18 @ 3:36 PM EDT
@A_Weatherall
@gregtheseal
Comic Sans - the letter a is much easier to read :)
#asechat
hrogerson
Jul 18 @ 3:36 PM EDT
@NeedhamL56
hopefully
@WTeducation
will highlight the primary science issue with
@JustineGreening
https://t.co/nLgx6p5OMl
#asechat
A_Weatherall
- Moderator
Jul 18 @ 3:36 PM EDT
And to go with this - a round up on how this is all going to work - aka swimmingly
https://t.co/neLpO5G0s3
#asechat
gregtheseal
Jul 18 @ 3:37 PM EDT
@A_Weatherall
obviously the most popular.
#asechat
kassiecrosby13
Jul 18 @ 3:37 PM EDT
@NeedhamL56
No worries! I've never been involved in a twitter chat!
#asechat
#edms7030
hrogerson
Jul 18 @ 3:38 PM EDT
I hope
@JustineGreening
will be asked and then come and speak at
@theASE
conference in January?
#asechat
A_Weatherall
- Moderator
Jul 18 @ 3:39 PM EDT
@hrogerson
@JustineGreening
@theASE
If I can I will collate our questions into something presentable and email them to her?
#asechat
CazGerrard
Jul 18 @ 3:39 PM EDT
@hrogerson
@A_Weatherall
@gregtheseal
Ok ... If I promise never to say that again, will you unblock me? *bats eyelashes*
#asechat
gregtheseal
Jul 18 @ 3:40 PM EDT
@hrogerson
@JustineGreening
@theASE
or at the asewest cont in November.
#asechat
NeedhamL56
- Moderator
Jul 18 @ 3:40 PM EDT
How long do you think she’ll be in post? Should we try and book
@JustineGreening
for Liverpool? 2018
#asechat
https://t.co/Pbi0jsLTcP
hrogerson
Jul 18 @ 3:38 PM EDT
I hope
@JustineGreening
will be asked and then come and speak at
@theASE
conference in January?
#asechat
A_Weatherall
- Moderator
Jul 18 @ 3:40 PM EDT
@JustineGreening
You'll find
#asechat
and
@thease
are very keen to discuss and debate education policy; do engage - we're kind but rigorous.
zbukhari197
Jul 18 @ 3:41 PM EDT
I was shocked as a governer at a primary school that science was not even apart of the curriculum.
#asechat
https://t.co/l4ZeDmmi3r
NeedhamL56
- Moderator
Jul 18 @ 3:10 PM EDT
An investigation into what’s happened with primary science the 3rd core subject. HMCI says
https://t.co/WonrfhSQnm
#asechat
@JustineGreening
A_Weatherall
- Moderator
Jul 18 @ 3:41 PM EDT
@CazGerrard
@hrogerson
@gregtheseal
Comic Sans indeed... honestly!
#asechat
hrogerson
Jul 18 @ 3:42 PM EDT
@NeedhamL56
@JustineGreening
@theASE
do you know anyone who might be able to influence that 😉
#asechat
NeedhamL56
- Moderator
Jul 18 @ 3:42 PM EDT
We understand need to get students switched on and keep them interested in science
#asechat
@theASE
@JustineGreening
https://t.co/D5UP0cNHth
A_Weatherall
- Moderator
Jul 18 @ 3:40 PM EDT
@JustineGreening
You'll find
#asechat
and
@thease
are very keen to discuss and debate education policy; do engage - we're kind but rigorous.
A_Weatherall
- Moderator
Jul 18 @ 3:42 PM EDT
@zbukhari197
#asechat
It *is* part of the curriculum. But if academy don't need to follow the national curriculum
hrogerson
Jul 18 @ 3:43 PM EDT
@zbukhari197
@NeedhamL56
@JustineGreening
shocking! When done well primary science is fantastic.
#asechat
NeedhamL56
- Moderator
Jul 18 @ 3:44 PM EDT
Wow, that is shocking, good job they’ve got you as a governor!
#asechat
@JustineGreening
https://t.co/wvuQlXnh0g
zbukhari197
Jul 18 @ 3:41 PM EDT
I was shocked as a governer at a primary school that science was not even apart of the curriculum.
#asechat
https://t.co/l4ZeDmmi3r
NeedhamL56
- Moderator
Jul 18 @ 3:10 PM EDT
An investigation into what’s happened with primary science the 3rd core subject. HMCI says
https://t.co/WonrfhSQnm
#asechat
@JustineGreening
CazGerrard
Jul 18 @ 3:44 PM EDT
@davowillz
@A_Weatherall
@gregtheseal
Thank you for your support :) Glad I'm not offending everyone tonight!
#asechat
stevethedoc1
Jul 18 @ 3:45 PM EDT
@A_Weatherall
@zbukhari197
#asechat
if not on curric in school/academy what TA do they hand in for accountability measure, how accurate?
A_Weatherall
- Moderator
Jul 18 @ 3:46 PM EDT
@zbukhari197
they need to change that opinion pronto before they're visited by the dreaded O. And because they're wrong.
#asechat
A_Weatherall
- Moderator
Jul 18 @ 3:46 PM EDT
@stevethedoc1
@zbukhari197
that was precisely
@MichaelT1979
's question last month
#asechat
- turns out most guess.
gregtheseal
Jul 18 @ 3:46 PM EDT
@CazGerrard
@davowillz
@A_Weatherall
it was a close call.
#asechat
NeedhamL56
- Moderator
Jul 18 @ 3:47 PM EDT
see this tweet
@zbukhari197
send it to governing body. as well as the HMCI report
https://t.co/WonrfhSQnm
#asechat
https://t.co/zWK3NEmB5F
stevethedoc1
Jul 18 @ 3:29 PM EDT
@NeedhamL56
@kassiecrosby13
@JustineGreening
#asechat
last two schools OfSted in LA explored sci especially WS, when, what and how?
stevethedoc1
Jul 18 @ 3:48 PM EDT
@A_Weatherall
@zbukhari197
@MichaelT1979
#asechat
and yet HT signs HDF to confirm that they are correct/accurate, maladministration?
A_Weatherall
- Moderator
Jul 18 @ 3:48 PM EDT
OK - who wants to talk displays for 10 minutes
#asechat
? :)
#EndOfTermActivity
gregtheseal
Jul 18 @ 3:49 PM EDT
@A_Weatherall
@zbukhari197
since you brought up "o" what will
@JustineGreening
do with them and with
@amanda_spielman
#asechat
stevethedoc1
Jul 18 @ 3:49 PM EDT
@A_Weatherall
#asechat
go on how do we make sci visible to text of school, community and others?
CazGerrard
Jul 18 @ 3:51 PM EDT
Unfortunately this happens in 5 of our 6 feeders - makes our job v difficult
#hugeknowledgegap
#asechat
https://t.co/OIovB00dYZ
NeedhamL56
- Moderator
Jul 18 @ 3:44 PM EDT
Wow, that is shocking, good job they’ve got you as a governor!
#asechat
@JustineGreening
https://t.co/wvuQlXnh0g
zbukhari197
Jul 18 @ 3:41 PM EDT
I was shocked as a governer at a primary school that science was not even apart of the curriculum.
#asechat
https://t.co/l4ZeDmmi3r
NeedhamL56
- Moderator
Jul 18 @ 3:10 PM EDT
An investigation into what’s happened with primary science the 3rd core subject. HMCI says
https://t.co/WonrfhSQnm
#asechat
@JustineGreening
A_Weatherall
- Moderator
Jul 18 @ 3:51 PM EDT
@stevethedoc1
like this?
#asechat
https://t.co/xhJZ3Nwbla
CazGerrard
Jul 18 @ 3:52 PM EDT
@gregtheseal
@davowillz
@A_Weatherall
Thanks I think??
#asechat
A_Weatherall
- Moderator
Jul 18 @ 3:53 PM EDT
@stevethedoc1
#asechat
https://t.co/TdcQnupgNb
NeedhamL56
- Moderator
Jul 18 @ 3:54 PM EDT
Thought we’d done this one before, but made me look at the
#asechat
archive
https://t.co/HoNOVgPRRx
it’s not there
https://t.co/sSaID9h0qa
A_Weatherall
- Moderator
Jul 18 @ 3:48 PM EDT
OK - who wants to talk displays for 10 minutes
#asechat
? :)
#EndOfTermActivity
CazGerrard
Jul 18 @ 3:54 PM EDT
Depends - outline what you find offensive first!
#comicsansgate
#asechat
https://t.co/5FKsKcYEAF
A_Weatherall
- Moderator
Jul 18 @ 3:48 PM EDT
OK - who wants to talk displays for 10 minutes
#asechat
? :)
#EndOfTermActivity
A_Weatherall
- Moderator
Jul 18 @ 3:56 PM EDT
@stevethedoc1
2 scales size and difference both to scale. Corridor took me all the way to neptune
#asechat
NeedhamL56
- Moderator
Jul 18 @ 3:56 PM EDT
@NeedhamL56
but lots of very interesting tweet archive for teachers of science
https://t.co/HoNOVgPRRx
#asechat
check the older chats too
A_Weatherall
- Moderator
Jul 18 @ 3:57 PM EDT
@A_Weatherall
@stevethedoc1
sorry *distance*
#asechat
NeedhamL56
- Moderator
Jul 18 @ 3:57 PM EDT
@A_Weatherall
@stevethedoc1
who painted the black ceiling? looks great BTW
#asechat
no wonder you wanted to talk displays!
A_Weatherall
- Moderator
Jul 18 @ 3:57 PM EDT
@NeedhamL56
@stevethedoc1
:)
#asechat
- the facilities team did. Then I went along with some chalk on a stick. :)
hrogerson
Jul 18 @ 3:58 PM EDT
@CazGerrard
@A_Weatherall
displays, they take ages to do and the HT wants them changed regularly. 2 days it takes to do a good one!
#asechat
CazGerrard
Jul 18 @ 3:58 PM EDT
We are putting up maths in science, a challenge wall and command words to start off the year
#asechat
A_Weatherall
- Moderator
Jul 18 @ 3:59 PM EDT
OK
#asechat
- loads of food for thought for our new edSec
@JustineGreening
- thank you for your end of term participation :)
gregtheseal
Jul 18 @ 3:59 PM EDT
@A_Weatherall
@NeedhamL56
@stevethedoc1
and wrote in comic sans!
#asechat
NeedhamL56
- Moderator
Jul 18 @ 3:59 PM EDT
Hey
@A_Weatherall
are you going to storify/ summarise this chat turned out well (except for
#displaygate
refs)
#asechat