#ASEchat Archive

The Association for Science Education (ASE) promotes excellence in science teaching and learning. Follow #ASEchat Mondays at 3pm ET.
Monday November 14, 2016
3:00 PM EST
  • natkin - Moderator Nov 14 @ 3:00 PM EST
    #ASEchat - topic tonight is the new required practicals . Welcome to everyone
  • edubabbIe Nov 14 @ 3:00 PM EST
    Practical activities, such as a knowledge-sharing tool across countries. #asechat
  • ViciaScience Nov 14 @ 3:01 PM EST
    Good choice of topic! #ASEChat The poll results table appears to be broken
  • natkin - Moderator Nov 14 @ 3:01 PM EST
    #ASEchat - How are people finding the new practicals ? Any tips for those about to start?
  • ViciaScience Nov 14 @ 3:01 PM EST
    Is the new regime a step forward for learning science ? #ASEChat
    In reply to @natkin
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Nov 14 @ 3:02 PM EST
    Hi Neil, I have to do some work now, so sorry canโ€™t join in to #asechat but Iโ€™m very interested in the archive
  • tonicha128 Nov 14 @ 3:02 PM EST
    How long are teachers devoting to this? #ASEChat
    In reply to @natkin
  • teacherchalky1 Nov 14 @ 3:03 PM EST
    Go and look at whats on the exam board websites, there's loads on there now #asechat
    In reply to @natkin
  • ViciaScience Nov 14 @ 3:03 PM EST
    Are teachers allocating blocks of time to tackle practical activities or integrating them into other teaching? #ASEChat
    In reply to @tonicha128, @natkin
  • Newmanphysics Nov 14 @ 3:03 PM EST
    #asechat @takeonphysics Thanks to @teachingofsci for starting a thread on talkphysics https://t.co/OvGYs8GnPn
    In reply to @natkin, @TakeOnPhysics, @teachingofsci
  • alomshaha Nov 14 @ 3:04 PM EST
    #ASECHAT Maybe relevant to your discussion tonight? https://t.co/z3hvzzTm3K
  • natkin - Moderator Nov 14 @ 3:04 PM EST
    is it improving science though #ASEchat
    In reply to @teacherchalky1
  • teachingofsci Nov 14 @ 3:04 PM EST
    #asechat I need to eat + do stuff but will try to join in this evening... hello all! Physics teacher by trade, currently teaching teachers
  • teacherchalky1 Nov 14 @ 3:04 PM EST
    There's not really any pracs that you wouldn't do anyway #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @natkin
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Nov 14 @ 3:05 PM EST
    guess what I'm doing #asechat ( l__ b____)
    In reply to @natkin, @ViciaScience
  • tonicha128 Nov 14 @ 3:05 PM EST
    #ASEChat We've been doing them within the teaching of the content but we probably spend @ least 3 hours on each
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @natkin
  • TJohns85 Nov 14 @ 3:05 PM EST
    #asechat plenty of YouTube videos. There isn't many new practicals. How are others recording them?
    In reply to @natkin
  • natkin - Moderator Nov 14 @ 3:05 PM EST
    All those teaching physics should look at these - Thanks David #ASEchat
  • teacherchalky1 Nov 14 @ 3:06 PM EST
    At the moment a lesson per prac, but are giving each prac a focus then using ISA Qs for HW #asechat
    In reply to @tonicha128, @natkin
  • natkin - Moderator Nov 14 @ 3:06 PM EST
    Hi Tonicha - does it feel like time well spent ? #ASEchat
    In reply to @tonicha128, @ViciaScience
  • teachingofsci Nov 14 @ 3:06 PM EST
    #asechat Q1 lack of kit for some pracs is something I'm hearing in a lot of schools - how are colleagues planning to improvise?
  • hrogerson Nov 14 @ 3:06 PM EST
    Can't believe they didn't know Carl Sagan! (Watching University Challenge) #asechat
  • Newmanphysics Nov 14 @ 3:07 PM EST
    I have attended a few IOP workshop on both for GCSe and A level. Good to see ripple tanks being used again #asechat
    In reply to @teacherchalky1
  • teachingofsci Nov 14 @ 3:07 PM EST
    #asechat and Q2, how are you finding building required pracs into normal scheme? or are you making a fuss about the req'd ones?
  • ViciaScience Nov 14 @ 3:07 PM EST
    Has list of required practicals become the only practicals covered, or does it encourage more #pracsci ?#ASEChat
    In reply to @teacherchalky1, @natkin
  • natkin - Moderator Nov 14 @ 3:07 PM EST
    the old ISA questions? #ASEchat
    In reply to @teacherchalky1, @tonicha128
  • teacherchalky1 Nov 14 @ 3:07 PM EST
    It's just putting what you do during ISAs into normal lessons #asechat
    In reply to @natkin
  • hrogerson Nov 14 @ 3:07 PM EST
    So far so good. I do want a new ripple tank before I get to waves though. #asechat
  • tonicha128 Nov 14 @ 3:07 PM EST
    #ASEChat Difficult to say at the moment. Think it might be better to space the activities for bigger impact
    In reply to @natkin, @ViciaScience
  • TJohns85 Nov 14 @ 3:08 PM EST
    use of booklets like these? https://t.co/A1KLn44i5U #asechat
    In reply to @natkin
  • ViciaScience Nov 14 @ 3:08 PM EST
    That sounds about right in early stages - pupils have much to learn if less foundation in KS3 #ASEChat
    In reply to @tonicha128, @natkin
  • dave2004b Nov 14 @ 3:08 PM EST
    #asechat I'm hoping that the changes give teachers the confidence to teach with prac work integrated; teach well and the requirements 1/2
  • aegilopoides Nov 14 @ 3:08 PM EST
    tried to integrate into normal teaching but setting Q's at end/for hw linked to the practical. #ASEChat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @tonicha128, @natkin
  • dave2004b Nov 14 @ 3:08 PM EST
    #asechat 2/2 should be easily covered.
  • ViciaScience Nov 14 @ 3:08 PM EST
    Need a better clue than the one provided! #ASEChat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall, @natkin
  • teachingofsci Nov 14 @ 3:09 PM EST
    #asechat how about printing generalized ISA-style Qs (what is the measuring device? what resolution?), laminating cards, *every* prac lesson
  • hrogerson Nov 14 @ 3:09 PM EST
    The new GCSE does have more opportunity for practical so far... doing lots of skill building. Love drawing a graph! #asechat
  • Newmanphysics Nov 14 @ 3:09 PM EST
    #asechat We are doing this with our A level. I think good guide to how they will examine the practicals
    In reply to @teacherchalky1, @tonicha128, @natkin
  • ViciaScience Nov 14 @ 3:10 PM EST
    Are you confident you can predict style of questions to be used in exam to test prac abilities? #ASEChat
    In reply to @aegilopoides, @tonicha128, @natkin
  • teacherchalky1 Nov 14 @ 3:10 PM EST
    I think you'd still cover as many as possible, I've not spoke to many Ts who will just be doing them #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @natkin
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Nov 14 @ 3:10 PM EST
    two 'o's and an 'a' #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @natkin
  • dave2004b Nov 14 @ 3:10 PM EST
    #asechat I'd certainly hope not. Experience from A-level last year seems that teachers are using 1/2
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @teacherchalky1, @natkin
  • AssignmentHelpN Nov 14 @ 3:10 PM EST
    Top 5 Emerging EdTech Trends you Must Know in 2016 https://t.co/wcA1uc9Rvu #asechat
  • massignmenthelp Nov 14 @ 3:10 PM EST
    6 Emerging Education Technologies https://t.co/h2R5Lg4Aur #asechat
  • dave2004b Nov 14 @ 3:10 PM EST
    #asechat 2/2 the new freedoms well and doing a wide variety of prac work.
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @teacherchalky1, @natkin
  • aegilopoides Nov 14 @ 3:10 PM EST
    we still do others. Just doing enzymes -RP on pH but I'll do temp as well and also one at start to intro topic. #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • teacherchalky1 Nov 14 @ 3:10 PM EST
    Questions from old course work papers #asechat
    In reply to @natkin, @tonicha128
  • ViciaScience Nov 14 @ 3:11 PM EST
    Certainly in biology I would expect students to encounter similar practical work at KS3 (mscopes, enzymes etc) #ASEChat
    In reply to @tonicha128, @natkin
  • teacherchalky1 Nov 14 @ 3:11 PM EST
    I'm doing the same with A level Bio, but there's lots more to include #asechat
    In reply to @Newmanphysics, @tonicha128, @natkin
  • dave2004b Nov 14 @ 3:11 PM EST
    #asechat useful to use Lang of Measurement for this kind of thing... valid, repeatable, reproducible, accurate etc
    In reply to @teachingofsci
  • hrogerson Nov 14 @ 3:12 PM EST
    Practical question preparation is going to take a bit of getting used to in the same way 6 mark Qs have? #asechat
  • ViciaScience Nov 14 @ 3:12 PM EST
    Good to hear that required practicals not becoming the entire practical diet. More to learn than techniques #ASEChat
    In reply to @teacherchalky1, @natkin
  • teachingofsci Nov 14 @ 3:12 PM EST
    you can improvise class set of ripple tanks with gratnells trays, laminated sq paper at bottom, water, drop of ink. #asechat
    In reply to @TJohns85
  • aegilopoides Nov 14 @ 3:13 PM EST
    used Q's from spec papers & iGCSE practical paper to pick out things that could be asked. Skills & using results. #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • dave2004b Nov 14 @ 3:13 PM EST
    @RoySocChem has a good list here: https://t.co/mGJ0Fyuuva #asechat
    In reply to @natkin, @ViciaScience, @teacherchalky1, @RoySocChem
  • teachingofsci Nov 14 @ 3:13 PM EST
    danger of that is kids see only those pracs as important? (remember the hashtag!) #asechat
    In reply to @TJohns85
  • natkin - Moderator Nov 14 @ 3:14 PM EST
    Thanks David - Chemistry required practical support #ASEchat
  • hrogerson Nov 14 @ 3:14 PM EST
    At the moment we're doing practicals, challenge will be writing exams to ensure it is an advantage to teach that way! We'll see. #asechat
  • ViciaScience Nov 14 @ 3:14 PM EST
    That message needs reporting to those responsible for changes. Very encouraging #ASEChat
    In reply to @dave2004b, @teacherchalky1, @natkin
  • doc_kristy Nov 14 @ 3:14 PM EST
    GCSE or A level? #ASEChat
    In reply to @natkin
  • dave2004b Nov 14 @ 3:14 PM EST
    #asechat This is a good opportunity to do 'new' pracs on top of the 'traditional', I'm using @CLEAPSS as inspiration
    In reply to @TJohns85, @natkin, @CLEAPSS
  • hrogerson Nov 14 @ 3:15 PM EST
    I assume the exams can ask about practical investigations that aren't the required ones too? Within reason. #asechat @dave2004b
    • teachingofsci Nov 14 @ 3:13 PM EST
      danger of that is kids see only those pracs as important? (remember the hashtag!) #asechat
      In reply to @TJohns85
  • FarmStokehill Nov 14 @ 3:15 PM EST
    #ASEChat Agree iGCSE papers and also international O level papers a good source of ideas for practical questions
    In reply to @aegilopoides, @ViciaScience
  • tonicha128 Nov 14 @ 3:15 PM EST
    #ASEChat can anyone access the old ISA practicals? We don't do AQA
    In reply to @teacherchalky1, @natkin
  • ViciaScience Nov 14 @ 3:15 PM EST
    I guess this would be really important to help them answer qu's set in different contexts? #ASEChat
    In reply to @aegilopoides
  • natkin - Moderator Nov 14 @ 3:15 PM EST
    can we have a pic? #ASEchat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @A_Weatherall
  • SKLchem Nov 14 @ 3:15 PM EST
    #asechat - Agree - how the pracs are examined will be interesting - tho' there were some ques on prac techniques on old ocr exams
    In reply to @hrogerson
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Nov 14 @ 3:16 PM EST
    Light gates - potentially much expense - we're thinking of trying these: https://t.co/Gh5bRNtUKo #asechat
  • MrsDrSarah Nov 14 @ 3:16 PM EST
    We tend to do the required ones as focal points but supplement with others. #ASEChat
    In reply to @aegilopoides, @ViciaScience
  • teachingofsci Nov 14 @ 3:16 PM EST
    best to get it from exam boards in writing! don't suppose any are taking part in #asechat this evening?
    In reply to @hrogerson
  • dave2004b Nov 14 @ 3:16 PM EST
    #asechat We are. Also engaging in research into changes over time seen by unis in Yr1 undergrads
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @teacherchalky1, @natkin
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Nov 14 @ 3:16 PM EST
    you got it. :) #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @natkin
  • MrsDrSarah Nov 14 @ 3:17 PM EST
    I think we are doing more prac than we did when it was EMPA/ISA assessed. #ASEChat
    In reply to @aegilopoides, @ViciaScience
  • natkin - Moderator Nov 14 @ 3:17 PM EST
    Does anyone have supporting material for Biology ? #ASEChat
  • SKLchem Nov 14 @ 3:17 PM EST
    #asechat - Not been brave enough to let Y10 loose with pipettes yet - the challenge of pipette fillers and the cost of breakages!!!
  • stormeducation Nov 14 @ 3:17 PM EST
    #asechat do primary schools do practicals?
  • natkin - Moderator Nov 14 @ 3:17 PM EST
    wasnt that challenging tbh :) #ASEChat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall, @ViciaScience
  • rbegum2013 Nov 14 @ 3:18 PM EST
    #asechat is Ocr gateway or twenty first century
    In reply to @SKLchem, @hrogerson
  • MrsDrSarah Nov 14 @ 3:18 PM EST
    What do you mean by supporting material? #ASEChat
    In reply to @natkin
  • ViciaScience Nov 14 @ 3:18 PM EST
    Any physicists, please reply to @alomshaha request for ideas for A level prac vids #ASEChat
    In reply to @alomshaha
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Nov 14 @ 3:18 PM EST
    just a purple A4 notebook. Gluing in graphs etc and writing up notes. #asechat
    In reply to @natkin, @ViciaScience
  • rosethechemist Nov 14 @ 3:18 PM EST
    #asechat liking RPs. They're making me get out of my comfort zone physics practical wise. Hate the way my school do A Level ones though.
  • dave2004b Nov 14 @ 3:18 PM EST
    Prac variety important, sometime learn a tech, sometime support concept dev, sometime motivn #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @teacherchalky1, @natkin
  • aegilopoides Nov 14 @ 3:18 PM EST
    have tried to choose Q's that cover different aspects. Showing them a range of Q's and not always just that topic. #ASEchat
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • GreenAPLEd Nov 14 @ 3:18 PM EST
    Currently 25% off all greenAPL #science resources on TES...https://t.co/Ees2jFXydW #ASEChat #edchat @tesResources
    In reply to @tesResources
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Nov 14 @ 3:18 PM EST
    it was for Richard :) #asechat
    In reply to @natkin, @ViciaScience
  • dave2004b Nov 14 @ 3:19 PM EST
    #asechat @ocr_science #PAG suggested activities have range of Qs at the end of each activity
    In reply to @aegilopoides, @ViciaScience, @ocr_science
  • ViciaScience Nov 14 @ 3:19 PM EST
    Do iGCSE questions explore practical work techniques and understanding? #ASEChat
    In reply to @tonicha128, @aegilopoides, @natkin
  • LessonToolbox Nov 14 @ 3:20 PM EST
    Y9 ionic lattice bonding theory structures via @NCEAScience #asechat #ukedchat
    In reply to @NCEAScience
  • ViciaScience Nov 14 @ 3:20 PM EST
    He has been on about that for over two years! #ASEChat
    In reply to @natkin, @A_Weatherall
  • teacherchalky1 Nov 14 @ 3:20 PM EST
    I think there's document on the AQA support documents #asechat
    In reply to @natkin, @dave2004b, @ViciaScience
  • MrsDrSarah Nov 14 @ 3:20 PM EST
    I'm trying to convince my students that lab books are working documents, not 'for best'! #asechat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall, @natkin, @ViciaScience
  • tonicha128 Nov 14 @ 3:20 PM EST
    #ASEChat To some extent from what ive seen. They didn't do CA so practical work assessed in exam
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @aegilopoides, @natkin
  • AQA Nov 14 @ 3:21 PM EST
    @natkin They can be contacted at these email addresses and will endeavour to respond to you as soon as possible. #asechat
  • natkin - Moderator Nov 14 @ 3:21 PM EST
    #ASEChat think people are finding that useful #ASEChat
    • AQA Nov 14 @ 3:20 PM EST
      @natkin They are practical experts who are happy to pass on their knowledge and experience gained from working with teachers and students.
      In reply to @natkin
  • hrogerson Nov 14 @ 3:21 PM EST
    there were one or two on Gateway. Specific chemistry techniques. #asechat
    In reply to @rbegum2013, @SKLchem
  • natkin - Moderator Nov 14 @ 3:22 PM EST
    all AQA Science teachers please RT this #ASEChat
    • AQA Nov 14 @ 3:21 PM EST
      @natkin They can be contacted at these email addresses and will endeavour to respond to you as soon as possible. #asechat
  • teachingofsci Nov 14 @ 3:22 PM EST
    #asechat can I advertise my old post on a skills list for gcse circuits? https://t.co/dwAhhSFLMc
  • dave2004b Nov 14 @ 3:22 PM EST
    #asechat Yes, AO2/3 Qs require application and analysis, context will be given. @ocrexams doesn't have required prac, focus 1/2
    In reply to @hrogerson, @ocrexams
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Nov 14 @ 3:22 PM EST
    I've never mentioned it before tonight (for GCSE) :) #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @natkin
  • hrogerson Nov 14 @ 3:22 PM EST
    I have won that one! Lots of pencil and crossing out. #smug #asechat
    • MrsDrSarah Nov 14 @ 3:20 PM EST
      I'm trying to convince my students that lab books are working documents, not 'for best'! #asechat
      In reply to @A_Weatherall, @natkin, @ViciaScience
  • ViciaScience Nov 14 @ 3:22 PM EST
    Lab books in biology need plain as well as lined and graph paper. Not seen anything suitable commercially #ASEChat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall, @natkin
  • dave2004b Nov 14 @ 3:23 PM EST
    #asechat is on the apparatus and techniques. Teachers chose best activity per #PAG to suit their students.
    In reply to @hrogerson
  • MrsDrSarah Nov 14 @ 3:23 PM EST
    Some on the Edexcel IGCSE too - we used to have ~15 core pracs that could be on exams. #asechat
    In reply to @hrogerson, @rbegum2013, @SKLchem
  • hrogerson Nov 14 @ 3:23 PM EST
    Bless you @AQA for helping out with #asechat
    In reply to @AQA
  • dave2004b Nov 14 @ 3:23 PM EST
    #asechat careful with using old coursework, lots will still be secure. Wait for exam boards to release.
    In reply to @tonicha128, @teacherchalky1, @natkin
  • natkin - Moderator Nov 14 @ 3:24 PM EST
    anyone finding those superneat students struggling to write thoughts and ideas? #ASEChat
    In reply to @MrsDrSarah, @A_Weatherall, @ViciaScience
  • ViciaScience Nov 14 @ 3:24 PM EST
    Req practicals expected to teach many skills inc WS, ma.Unrealistic to expect all these outcomes in one activity #ASEChat
    In reply to @dave2004b, @natkin
  • hrogerson Nov 14 @ 3:25 PM EST
    This is what I like. Although makes it more necessary to think about how practicals are presented. Break down into parts. #asechat
    • dave2004b Nov 14 @ 3:23 PM EST
      #asechat is on the apparatus and techniques. Teachers chose best activity per #PAG to suit their students.
      In reply to @hrogerson
  • MrsDrSarah Nov 14 @ 3:25 PM EST
    Absolutely - challenging when trying to encourage method writing. And adjusting during expt. #asechat
    In reply to @natkin, @A_Weatherall, @ViciaScience
  • natkin - Moderator Nov 14 @ 3:25 PM EST
    That probably works better than a book for production of rough work ? #ASEChat
    • alomshaha Nov 14 @ 3:24 PM EST
      I've been using cheap cardboard files and treasury tags so can use hole punched paper and graph paper @A_Weatherall @natkin
      In reply to @ViciaScience, @A_Weatherall, @natkin
  • rosethechemist Nov 14 @ 3:25 PM EST
    #ASEchat I need a method for Chem required prac 10b The method is not in the practical handbook and I've never done it before. All techs new
  • teachingofsci Nov 14 @ 3:25 PM EST
    like the old engineering slogan: Fast, cheap, good - choose two. #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • dave2004b Nov 14 @ 3:26 PM EST
    #asechat have a look at https://t.co/ShcvuhUUiW for an intro to titration @CLEAPSS
    In reply to @SKLchem, @CLEAPSS
  • natkin - Moderator Nov 14 @ 3:26 PM EST
    Can you tweet a link to your video resources pls Alom #ASEChat
    • alomshaha Nov 14 @ 3:24 PM EST
      I've been using cheap cardboard files and treasury tags so can use hole punched paper and graph paper @A_Weatherall @natkin
      In reply to @ViciaScience, @A_Weatherall, @natkin
  • ViciaScience Nov 14 @ 3:26 PM EST
    It would be really helpful to compile collections of different question types around each activity. #ASEChat Board specific?
    • aegilopoides Nov 14 @ 3:18 PM EST
      have tried to choose Q's that cover different aspects. Showing them a range of Q's and not always just that topic. #ASEchat
      In reply to @ViciaScience
  • natkin - Moderator Nov 14 @ 3:26 PM EST
    see @alomshaha s idea #ASEChat
    In reply to @MrsDrSarah, @A_Weatherall, @ViciaScience, @alomshaha
  • teachingofsci Nov 14 @ 3:26 PM EST
    but the process is important. chance to share lab notebooks from uni, proper working documents? #asechat
    In reply to @natkin
  • hrogerson Nov 14 @ 3:26 PM EST
    Agreed, focused on types of variables and how light gates work in the last practical I taught. #asechat
    • ViciaScience Nov 14 @ 3:24 PM EST
      Req practicals expected to teach many skills inc WS, ma.Unrealistic to expect all these outcomes in one activity #ASEChat
      In reply to @dave2004b, @natkin
  • AQA Nov 14 @ 3:27 PM EST
    @hrogerson We agree that students should have a rich practical experience not just the required practicals... #ASEChat
    In reply to @hrogerson
  • natkin - Moderator Nov 14 @ 3:27 PM EST
    Hi Ian thanks for joining us #ASEChat
    • teachingofsci Nov 14 @ 3:26 PM EST
      but the process is important. chance to share lab notebooks from uni, proper working documents? #asechat
      In reply to @natkin
  • aegilopoides Nov 14 @ 3:27 PM EST
    I have partially compiled Q from a variety of sources for Biology. Happy to share. It's a work in progress. #ASEChat
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • SciKathryn Nov 14 @ 3:28 PM EST
    Resources to engage EY children & parents in practical science at home. #prisci #EYsci #ASEChat #sharingiscaring https://t.co/RGNnSNxnM7
  • AQA Nov 14 @ 3:28 PM EST
    @hrogerson We can ask about req'd practicals but if you look at what's involved in working scientifically we can ask lots of q's #asechat
    In reply to @hrogerson
  • fflwilson Nov 14 @ 3:28 PM EST
    Research we are doing @ocrexams suggests new assessment model supports wider range of practicals & learning of theory #asechat
    In reply to @dave2004b, @ocrexams
  • AQA Nov 14 @ 3:28 PM EST
    @hrogerson ...So we would suggest a greater focus on this as a part of practical not mere recipe following. #ASEChat
    In reply to @hrogerson
  • MrsDrSarah Nov 14 @ 3:29 PM EST
    #ASEChat We are due a compliance visit - anything we should particularly expect? #ASEChat
  • hrogerson Nov 14 @ 3:29 PM EST
    This has got to be a good thing, gives opportunity to stretch students to apply their knowledge? #asechat
    • AQA Nov 14 @ 3:28 PM EST
      @hrogerson We can ask about req'd practicals but if you look at what's involved in working scientifically we can ask lots of q's #asechat
      In reply to @hrogerson
  • ViciaScience Nov 14 @ 3:30 PM EST
    Good luck with that. We have to get that message across to some teachers as well as students #ASEChat
    • MrsDrSarah Nov 14 @ 3:20 PM EST
      I'm trying to convince my students that lab books are working documents, not 'for best'! #asechat
      In reply to @A_Weatherall, @natkin, @ViciaScience
  • MrsDrSarah Nov 14 @ 3:30 PM EST
    We are due a compliance visit for prac assessment - anything we should expect? Think (hope?) we are recordong it pretty well. #asechat
  • hrogerson Nov 14 @ 3:30 PM EST
    Sure some of this will happen. ๐Ÿ˜” I hope the exams can deter it. #asechat
    • AQA Nov 14 @ 3:28 PM EST
      @hrogerson ...So we would suggest a greater focus on this as a part of practical not mere recipe following. #ASEChat
      In reply to @hrogerson
  • edubabbIe Nov 14 @ 3:30 PM EST
    Adults with Low Vision. #asechat
  • doc_kristy Nov 14 @ 3:31 PM EST
    what is it., (in words, I'm iGCSE so don't know them by number) #ASEChat
    In reply to @rosethechemist
  • ashleykr96 Nov 14 @ 3:31 PM EST
    interested to learn more about what this is about #ASEChat
  • hrogerson Nov 14 @ 3:31 PM EST
    Must get in with my selection for physics before the old questions disappear from the exam board websites. #asechat
    • aegilopoides Nov 14 @ 3:27 PM EST
      I have partially compiled Q from a variety of sources for Biology. Happy to share. It's a work in progress. #ASEChat
      In reply to @ViciaScience
  • ViciaScience Nov 14 @ 3:32 PM EST
    Give it some oxygen Alex. Obvious need to adopt this approach from early age, not when exam classes start #ASEChat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall, @natkin
  • ashleykr96 Nov 14 @ 3:32 PM EST
    i think practicls are a better way than teaching to a pure memorization method practicals are a much better form of practice #ASEChat
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Nov 14 @ 3:32 PM EST
    @alomshaha @ViciaScience we're probably going to do that next year #asechat
    In reply to @natkin, @alomshaha, @ViciaScience
  • hrogerson Nov 14 @ 3:32 PM EST
    Have your schemes with pracs ready, know the CPAC statements you're assessing before the activity do you can look for it. #asechat
    • MrsDrSarah Nov 14 @ 3:30 PM EST
      We are due a compliance visit for prac assessment - anything we should expect? Think (hope?) we are recordong it pretty well. #asechat
  • MrsDrSarah Nov 14 @ 3:32 PM EST
    Has anyone really thought about how students are going to revise practical techniques/themes/ideas? #asechat #notjustwatchingAlom?
  • tonicha128 Nov 14 @ 3:33 PM EST
    #ASEChat I've been working with a group of other HoDs to try and do this. Not working when some don't do it
    In reply to @aegilopoides, @ViciaScience
  • natkin - Moderator Nov 14 @ 3:33 PM EST
    great resources pls rt #ASEChat
  • FarmStokehill Nov 14 @ 3:33 PM EST
    #ASEChat Probably it's easier in Biology but I have taught very few lessons that lack any practical activity - often v brief, nil cost.
  • hrogerson Nov 14 @ 3:34 PM EST
    #ASEchat great question
  • alomshaha Nov 14 @ 3:34 PM EST
    #ASEchat Instead of lab books, use cheap cardboard files so students can collate hole-punched worksheets, graphs etc.https://t.co/VDcPcGfssw
  • teachingofsci Nov 14 @ 3:34 PM EST
    revising ideas will be about checklists - the mental steps (have I thought about...). applying is about practice! #asechat
    In reply to @MrsDrSarah
  • MrsDrSarah Nov 14 @ 3:34 PM EST
    No, for A Level - should be visited every two years I think? #ASEChat
    In reply to @TJohns85
  • ViciaScience Nov 14 @ 3:34 PM EST
    #ASEChat
    • rosethechemist Nov 14 @ 3:19 PM EST
      but isn't the point the new GCSEs are context-less so more accessible.
      In reply to @ViciaScience, @aegilopoides
  • dave2004b Nov 14 @ 3:34 PM EST
    #asechat Have a look here @RoySocChem this should help https://t.co/zjBL1c1v6Q
    In reply to @rosethechemist, @RoySocChem
  • TJohns85 Nov 14 @ 3:35 PM EST
    neat work in red folders some full write up, some just graphs, some posters #asechat
    In reply to @A_Weatherall, @natkin, @alomshaha, @ViciaScience
  • dave2004b Nov 14 @ 3:36 PM EST
    #asechat All centres visited in the first two years.
    In reply to @MrsDrSarah, @TJohns85
  • MrsDrSarah Nov 14 @ 3:36 PM EST
    Ooh, that's an interesting idea - our Ks3 do investigations in each topic, but not in lab books. #asechat
    In reply to @rbegum2013
  • dave2004b Nov 14 @ 3:36 PM EST
    #asechat a great piece of work!
    In reply to @rosethechemist, @RoySocChem
  • tonicha128 Nov 14 @ 3:37 PM EST
    #ASEChat How do Ts think Sts are coping with them and learning what they need to?
    In reply to @natkin
  • ViciaScience Nov 14 @ 3:37 PM EST
    Perhaps the only way to get pagination correct, but need to guard against temptation to 'rewrite in neat' #ASEChat
    • alomshaha Nov 14 @ 3:24 PM EST
      I've been using cheap cardboard files and treasury tags so can use hole punched paper and graph paper @A_Weatherall @natkin
      In reply to @ViciaScience, @A_Weatherall, @natkin
  • teachingofsci Nov 14 @ 3:38 PM EST
    #asechat is it worth making distinction with kids between content and skills, rather than theory vs practical? eg drawing graph is skill...
  • charlatanFT Nov 14 @ 3:38 PM EST
    #asechat is now trending topic in United Kingdom. Get insights with Charlatan for Twitter. https://t.co/wDPgqaxUG6
  • teacherem3 Nov 14 @ 3:38 PM EST
    Thanks to everyone who's offered to share resources & advice. It's made my day that teachers are so willing to share! #ASEchat @theASE
    In reply to @theASE
  • teachingofsci Nov 14 @ 3:38 PM EST
    perhaps allow/encourage *adding* commentary, explanation, but always as addition rather than replacement? #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • JonScott46 Nov 14 @ 3:40 PM EST
    @alomshaha #ASEchat And create digital lab books to capture and annotate picture and video evidence/capture science talk
    In reply to @alomshaha
  • MrsDrSarah Nov 14 @ 3:40 PM EST
    We do both those, but haven't gone to lab books yet. Might suggest it, but then need to carry on through GCSE. #ASEChat
    In reply to @rbegum2013
  • rbegum2013 Nov 14 @ 3:40 PM EST
    #asechat start early and build it up
    In reply to @MrsDrSarah
  • teachingofsci Nov 14 @ 3:40 PM EST
    #asechat where are ppl going for specific *practical* (not exam board procedure) guidance? recommendations?
  • dave2004b Nov 14 @ 3:41 PM EST
    #asechat Ultimately it all comes together, but sometimes it can be useful to teach a skill in isolation to reduce cog load.
    In reply to @teachingofsci
  • A_Weatherall - Moderator Nov 14 @ 3:41 PM EST
    so all the practical work is easy to see for students to review (for exams) #asechat
    In reply to @TJohns85, @alomshaha, @natkin, @ViciaScience
  • ViciaScience Nov 14 @ 3:42 PM EST
    Agreed! Just an annotation or two on a worksheet can be enough.Anyone using photo evidence in place of written for some activities? #ASEChat
    • alomshaha Nov 14 @ 3:38 PM EST
      No need to rewrite any practicals, as just need evidence of carrying out. I ask for "reports" to be typed up and printed.
      In reply to @ViciaScience
  • AQA Nov 14 @ 3:42 PM EST
    @MrsDrSarah Please don't worry about A-level practical monitoring visits. Our advisers are teachers, just like you... #asechat
    In reply to @hrogerson, @MrsDrSarah
  • AQA Nov 14 @ 3:42 PM EST
    @MrsDrSarah ...They are there to help you, not make you feel bad. ๐Ÿ˜Š #ASEChat
    In reply to @hrogerson, @MrsDrSarah
  • rbegum2013 Nov 14 @ 3:42 PM EST
    #ASEChat great way to show progress and build aspiration... little one love having a lab book
    In reply to @MrsDrSarah
  • dave2004b Nov 14 @ 3:42 PM EST
    #asechat @ocrexams ExamBuilder also free coming in Jan17, give teachers lots of examples to use.
    In reply to @hrogerson, @kathrynbooth23, @ocrexams
  • ViciaScience Nov 14 @ 3:43 PM EST
    Agreed. May need significant annotation when preparing for exams #ASEChat
    • teachingofsci Nov 14 @ 3:38 PM EST
      perhaps allow/encourage *adding* commentary, explanation, but always as addition rather than replacement? #asechat
      In reply to @ViciaScience
  • hrogerson Nov 14 @ 3:43 PM EST
    hurray! It was very pricey (and the exams it made were oddly formatted). #asechat
    In reply to @dave2004b, @kathrynbooth23, @ocrexams
  • dave2004b Nov 14 @ 3:43 PM EST
    #asechat No, no monitoring for GCSE practical work.
    In reply to @TJohns85, @natkin, @A_Weatherall, @alomshaha, @ViciaScience
  • dave2004b Nov 14 @ 3:44 PM EST
    #asechat Head of Centre confirms all pupils are given right opportunities.
    In reply to @TJohns85, @natkin, @A_Weatherall, @alomshaha, @ViciaScience
  • MrsDrSarah Nov 14 @ 3:44 PM EST
    Fab - we just want to be doing right by our students. #ASEChat
    In reply to @AQA, @hrogerson
  • tonicha128 Nov 14 @ 3:44 PM EST
    #ASEChat They'll send you a PDF of part of it if you ask. Look on Pearson website
    In reply to @alomshaha, @natkin, @ViciaScience, @A_Weatherall
  • AQA Nov 14 @ 3:44 PM EST
    Students say they like lab books, but they're not necessary at GCSE or A-level. (1/2) #ASEChat
    In reply to @MrsDrSarah, @rbegum2013
  • hrogerson Nov 14 @ 3:45 PM EST
    Practical physics on the IoP site and Keith Gibbs book. Sorry @RSC_EiC but can't deal with practical chemistry. ๐Ÿ˜” confusing site. #asechat
    • teachingofsci Nov 14 @ 3:40 PM EST
      #asechat where are ppl going for specific *practical* (not exam board procedure) guidance? recommendations?
  • LessonToolbox Nov 14 @ 3:45 PM EST
    Skeleton drawn using names of bones via @ASTsupportAAli #physed #asechat #aussieEd
    In reply to @ASTsupportAAli
  • tonicha128 Nov 14 @ 3:45 PM EST
    #ASEChat They'll may send inspection copy now
    In reply to @alomshaha, @natkin, @ViciaScience, @A_Weatherall
  • ViciaScience Nov 14 @ 3:45 PM EST
    These are a bargain! Thanks. Must get hold of copies! #ASEChat
  • AQA Nov 14 @ 3:45 PM EST
    What matters is what they think, what they learn, and how their practical notes reflect this. ๐Ÿ˜„ (2/2) #ASEChat
    In reply to @MrsDrSarah, @rbegum2013
  • cleverfiend Nov 14 @ 3:45 PM EST
    examiner's report may give some interesting insights later! #ASEChat
    In reply to @dave2004b, @TJohns85, @natkin, @A_Weatherall, @alomshaha, @ViciaScience
  • MrsDrSarah Nov 14 @ 3:45 PM EST
    Yeh, nice way to record work and to develop skills for future scientists too. #asechat
    In reply to @AQA, @rbegum2013
  • hrogerson Nov 14 @ 3:45 PM EST
    do you think you'll investigate many centres that concern you? #asechat
    In reply to @dave2004b, @TJohns85, @natkin, @A_Weatherall, @alomshaha, @ViciaScience
  • aegilopoides Nov 14 @ 3:46 PM EST
    Have to put kids to bed so will have to leave. Will catch up later. #ASEChat
  • natkin - Moderator Nov 14 @ 3:46 PM EST
    could we share ideas Tom? #ASEChat
    • TJohns85 Nov 14 @ 3:44 PM EST
      they will mostly need to understand the method - so we are going to produce model methods
      In reply to @A_Weatherall, @alomshaha, @natkin, @ViciaScience
  • SKLchem Nov 14 @ 3:47 PM EST
    #asechat AQA website has helpful worksheets & I love School Chemistry Expts compiled by Ralph Farley via ASE bookshop
    In reply to @hrogerson, @RSC_EiC
  • ViciaScience Nov 14 @ 3:47 PM EST
    These are a bargain price - must get hold of some copies. Thanks Kathryn #ASEChat
  • dave2004b Nov 14 @ 3:47 PM EST
    #asechat Can't say at this point.
    In reply to @hrogerson, @TJohns85, @natkin, @A_Weatherall, @alomshaha, @ViciaScience
  • natkin - Moderator Nov 14 @ 3:48 PM EST
    i hope not #ASEChat
    In reply to @dave2004b, @hrogerson, @TJohns85, @A_Weatherall, @alomshaha, @ViciaScience
  • hrogerson Nov 14 @ 3:48 PM EST
    all science departments I know are trying their best at least! #asechat
    In reply to @dave2004b, @TJohns85, @natkin, @A_Weatherall, @alomshaha, @ViciaScience
  • dave2004b Nov 14 @ 3:49 PM EST
    #asechat key point is pupils have good opportunity to do prac work; min number and all appar. and tech. must be covered.
    In reply to @natkin, @hrogerson
  • teachingofsci Nov 14 @ 3:49 PM EST
    problem is when schools have limited time for pracs, budget to spend on kit, have to make choices. esp in non KS5 centres. #asechat
    In reply to @AQA
  • hrogerson Nov 14 @ 3:50 PM EST
    No one complaining they don't have the kit for the required practicals? #asechat
  • ViciaScience Nov 14 @ 3:51 PM EST
    Looking forward to meeting you at our Sheffield Conference on Saturday, Kathryn #ASEChat
  • MrChurchTweets Nov 14 @ 3:51 PM EST
    Argh! I love science... #asechat help me out
    • FarrowMr Nov 14 @ 3:50 PM EST
      A4- science, without a shadow of a doubt. Pointless and secondary teachers spend years correcting our misconceptions #PrimaryRocks
  • dave2004b Nov 14 @ 3:51 PM EST
    #asechat poss advantage of @ocrexams model, lots of our suggested chem pracs inspired by @CLEAPSS microscale chem pracs
    In reply to @teachingofsci, @AQA, @ocrexams, @CLEAPSS
  • Yorks_Bunny Nov 14 @ 3:52 PM EST
    I don't have the kit for required prac. Making friends with local uni to use their stuff #ASEChat
    In reply to @hrogerson
  • ViciaScience Nov 14 @ 3:52 PM EST
    #ASEChat is a great place to share ideas and resources. Everyone here keen to see children get the best science education
    • teacherem3 Nov 14 @ 3:38 PM EST
      Thanks to everyone who's offered to share resources & advice. It's made my day that teachers are so willing to share! #ASEchat @theASE
      In reply to @theASE
  • teachingofsci Nov 14 @ 3:53 PM EST
    surprises me too. eg ripple tank, vib gen, shc, dataloggers - need to work as circus as unlikely to have more than one. #asechat
    In reply to @hrogerson
  • dave2004b Nov 14 @ 3:53 PM EST
    #asechat Just to highlight, we've released a simplified OPTIONAL tracker for GCSE pracs, and learner record sheets to engage them 1/2
  • cleverfiend Nov 14 @ 3:53 PM EST
    we do as many as possible during our ELC but they were one factor in not doing combined GCSE #ASEChat Bullet dodged...
    In reply to @hrogerson
  • dave2004b Nov 14 @ 3:54 PM EST
    #asechat in thinking about which apparatus, techniques and skills they are doing in pracs, e.g. https://t.co/Db4RNRMAIK
  • teachingofsci Nov 14 @ 3:54 PM EST
    anything in particular? For physics, I'm working on collating improvised versions... #asechat
    In reply to @Yorks_Bunny
  • tonicha128 Nov 14 @ 3:54 PM EST
    #ASEChat Definitely consortium, checked. They even do A4+ size - good for sticking in graphs.
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @A_Weatherall, @natkin
  • TJohns85 Nov 14 @ 3:54 PM EST
    @A_Weatherall @alomshaha @ViciaScience #asechat it what my plan is?
    In reply to @natkin, @A_Weatherall, @alomshaha, @ViciaScience
  • ViciaScience Nov 14 @ 3:54 PM EST
    @CLEAPSS, @SAPS_News and Nuffields https://t.co/R1qEZGEXQf with versions for chem and phys too #ASEChat
    In reply to @CLEAPSS, @SAPS_News
    • teachingofsci Nov 14 @ 3:40 PM EST
      #asechat where are ppl going for specific *practical* (not exam board procedure) guidance? recommendations?
  • hrogerson Nov 14 @ 3:55 PM EST
    I am with you @MrChurchTweets #asechat
    In reply to @MrChurchTweets
  • hrogerson Nov 14 @ 3:55 PM EST
    the students don't have to do the practical themselves at GCSE, a demo is enough. #asechat
    In reply to @teachingofsci
  • AQA Nov 14 @ 3:56 PM EST
    Yes, we understand that time is a constraint so consider building skills at KS3. #ASEChat
    In reply to @teachingofsci
  • dave2004b Nov 14 @ 3:56 PM EST
    No intention to change current arrangements. #ASEChat
    In reply to @TJohns85, @natkin, @A_Weatherall, @alomshaha, @ViciaScience
  • AQA Nov 14 @ 3:56 PM EST
    4.5 hours a week means teaching through practical, not adding it on. #ASEChat
    In reply to @teachingofsci
  • FarmStokehill Nov 14 @ 3:57 PM EST
    #ASEChat Model methods plus structured skills questions e.g. graphs, data analysis?
    In reply to @TJohns85, @A_Weatherall, @alomshaha, @natkin, @ViciaScience
  • hrogerson Nov 14 @ 3:58 PM EST
    I am reflecting on our teaching of practical work at A-level, the standard for the @EdexcelScience A2 physics CW was very high. #asechat
    In reply to @EdexcelScience
  • hrogerson Nov 14 @ 3:59 PM EST
    Basically what we did with light gates.. stop watches & 14 year old are just as good as light gates! #asechat
    • teachingofsci Nov 14 @ 3:57 PM EST
      but mixing a demo of 'proper' kit with hands-on versions means they can compare, contrast etc. (and many tchrs don't realise)
      In reply to @hrogerson