#musedchat Archive

Each Monday evening at 8PM EST, music teachers get together and share ideas about important topics within music education. It’s a great chance to interact directly with educators from all over the world and to get new tips and tricks to help you succeed in the classroom. The entire #musedchat discussion is organized and moderated by Joe Guarr.

Monday December 4, 2017
8:00 PM EST

  • participatechat Dec 4 @ 8:00 PM EST
    Participate in the upcoming #musedchat by sharing resources and collaborating at https://t.co/x9OSK7xqnl
  • jguarr - Moderator Dec 4 @ 8:00 PM EST
    Welcome to #musedchat! Our topic tonight is LGBTQA issues in music education, with guest moderator @mattnix89. Be sure to introduce yourself!
  • mattnix89 Dec 4 @ 8:01 PM EST
    Hi everyone - I'm happy to be guest moderating #musedchat tonight. I'm an orchestra teacher in the Chicago suburbs, but Michigan grown. Happy to be here!
  • jhallma_mused Dec 4 @ 8:01 PM EST
    Greetings, I'm John from MI! Currently a music education major. #musedchat
  • MsRommelBand Dec 4 @ 8:01 PM EST
    Hi everyone! Andrea from NJ - teaching 4/5 band. Looking forward to the chat! #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Dec 4 @ 8:01 PM EST
    Hi John, how are you tonight? #musedchat
    In reply to @jhallma_mused
  • jguarr - Moderator Dec 4 @ 8:02 PM EST
    Welcome, Andrea! How are you? #musedchat
    In reply to @MsRommelBand
  • jhallma_mused Dec 4 @ 8:03 PM EST
    Hello, I'm doing well! Finals week is next week. How are you? #musedchat
    In reply to @jguarr
  • ABarneyMusic Dec 4 @ 8:03 PM EST
    Hi everyone, Austin from NJ! 2-5 gen. music teacher. Really looking forward to tonight's discussion #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Dec 4 @ 8:03 PM EST
    Doing well, concert is next week and then hopefully smooth sailing into break #musedchat
    In reply to @jhallma_mused
  • ImTheRealReRe Dec 4 @ 8:03 PM EST
    Reahna from Jacksonville 17 junior in high school future chorus teacher #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Dec 4 @ 8:04 PM EST
    Welcome to the chat Austin, glad you could join us tonight #musedchat
    In reply to @ABarneyMusic
  • marissaguarr Dec 4 @ 8:04 PM EST
    Marissa- orchestra teacher in Bucks County, PA! Mostly quietly following along tonight- still have to finish the day! #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Dec 4 @ 8:04 PM EST
    Good to see you, Reahna. #musedchat
    In reply to @ImTheRealReRe
  • JarvelaMused Dec 4 @ 8:05 PM EST
    Hey #musedchat Adam from NJ. PK - 6 Music.
  • AmyLynnRever Dec 4 @ 8:05 PM EST
    Hi All! Amy from MI, in and out until I'm victorious in my battle with a half functioning string of lights. I teach middle school band. #musedchat
  • MrBMusicTeacher Dec 4 @ 8:05 PM EST
    #musedchat Antoine Buttigieg here from Woodbridge Ontario Canada HS instrumental music teacher MB and drumline director of the @FrBressaniBands
  • mattnix89 Dec 4 @ 8:05 PM EST
    Ok, folks, time for our first question of the night: What are ways you create inclusive classroom spaces? #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Dec 4 @ 8:06 PM EST
    Good luck! #musedchat
  • cooper1503 Dec 4 @ 8:06 PM EST
    Hello #musedchat Chris from TN!
  • jguarr - Moderator Dec 4 @ 8:07 PM EST
    Hi Chris, welcome! #musedchat
    In reply to @cooper1503
  • MrBMusicTeacher Dec 4 @ 8:07 PM EST
    #musedchat A1 no tolerance of bullying what so ever even a snicker when someone makes a mistake gets the wrath of Mr. B
  • miss_baumeister Dec 4 @ 8:08 PM EST
    Hi! Brittany, MS Vocal Music teacher. #musedchat
  • JarvelaMused Dec 4 @ 8:08 PM EST
    A1: I try to focus inclusivity in my room as a means to having all Ss always comfortable to perform, try, and mess up. #musedchat
    In reply to @mattnix89
  • cooper1503 Dec 4 @ 8:09 PM EST
    A1 Listen, build relationships, know your students. When they feel comfortable with you they feel safe with you. #musedchat
  • JarvelaMused Dec 4 @ 8:09 PM EST
    "Insubordinate...and churlish!" #musedchat
    In reply to @MrBMusicTeacher
  • jguarr - Moderator Dec 4 @ 8:10 PM EST
    A1: I try to model inclusivity with my interactions with students. Always approach with respect and kindness. #musedchat
  • MsRommelBand Dec 4 @ 8:10 PM EST
    A1: Creating a positive and supportive environment for all. I always say "this is a safe space to escape stressors and have fun making music." #musedchat
  • ABarneyMusic Dec 4 @ 8:10 PM EST
    A1: Stress the importance of trying new things and experiencing things you may not have seen/heard before. The more you try, the broader your thinking is #musedchat
  • miss_baumeister Dec 4 @ 8:11 PM EST
    A1: Vocal music is so personal — it’s this imperative to create a culture of rapport. I ask a random “question of the day” to help create that culture — it makes all students feel more comfortable and on the same playing field going into what can be a anxious subject. #musedchat
  • mrscannanband Dec 4 @ 8:11 PM EST
    Good evening! Melissa from Liverpool, NY - elem band 4-6. Great answers so far! #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Dec 4 @ 8:12 PM EST
    My colleagues and I also constantly talk about our "band family", we want our students to spend time together outside of class, and to care for each other #musedchat
  • jhallma_mused Dec 4 @ 8:12 PM EST
    A1: It's all about relationships. Model the type of behavior you would like to see, they need to see inclusive behavior first! #musedchat
  • mattnix89 Dec 4 @ 8:12 PM EST
    Melissa - I taught at Liverpool HS for one year a few years back...small world! #musedchat
    In reply to @mrscannanband
  • mrscannanband Dec 4 @ 8:12 PM EST
    A1- I second what everyone has been saying. I want my classroom to be a place where everyone feels safe and respected. We are all part of the team! #musedchat
  • BRCampbell5 Dec 4 @ 8:12 PM EST
    Hello! I am Brian, and I am a multi-age music education major. #musedchat
  • JuliaBonifield Dec 4 @ 8:12 PM EST
    Hi, I'm Julia. I am a current music education major. #musedchat
  • mrscannanband Dec 4 @ 8:13 PM EST
    Love this! #musedchat
    In reply to @jguarr
  • jguarr - Moderator Dec 4 @ 8:13 PM EST
    Welcome to the chat, Julia, glad you could join us! #musedchat
    In reply to @JuliaBonifield
  • mattnix89 Dec 4 @ 8:13 PM EST
    I often tell my students that when we are rehearsing, we are criticizing our performances, not our persons. I love your questions of the day idea. #musedchat
    In reply to @miss_baumeister
  • Deanna_Nebel Dec 4 @ 8:13 PM EST
    Hello #musedchat! Deanna Nebel - educator at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Looking forward to the chat!
  • jhallma_mused Dec 4 @ 8:13 PM EST
    Glad to see another music ed major here too! #musedchat
    In reply to @JuliaBonifield
  • EmilyAnn0113 Dec 4 @ 8:14 PM EST
    Hey #musedchat Emily from N.J. prek-8 general music, chorus and band
  • jguarr - Moderator Dec 4 @ 8:14 PM EST
    We joke a lot about "work wives", but my two colleagues are actually married to each other. #musedchat
    In reply to @mrscannanband
  • mrscannanband Dec 4 @ 8:14 PM EST
    I remember you from general music at Soule Road! Glad to see you again! #musedchat
    In reply to @mattnix89
  • Amplify_Ed Dec 4 @ 8:14 PM EST
    Hello! My name is Abraham and I'm currently studying vocal music education. #musedchat
  • KateLenniePhilp Dec 4 @ 8:14 PM EST
    A little late to the party, but enjoying the thoughtful responses so far! K-5 general music in MI #musedchat
  • mattnix89 Dec 4 @ 8:15 PM EST
    My colleagues and I consciously step into each others' classrooms and have friendly banter to show students how we enjoy each others' company. Such a fun time :) #musedchat
    In reply to @jguarr, @mrscannanband
  • EmilyAnn0113 Dec 4 @ 8:16 PM EST
    I met my husband at my first job and we got married two years ago. I was his feeder program. Kids from both our schools came to the church and after the wedding said the band family is now complete! #musedchat
    In reply to @jguarr, @mrscannanband
  • Deanna_Nebel Dec 4 @ 8:16 PM EST
    A1: try to validate/acknowledge students' words and thoughts - even if they're wrong, acknowledge the effort or the "right path." When Ss are right, reinforce and connect to other thoughts and topic #musedchat
  • marissaguarr Dec 4 @ 8:17 PM EST
    A1: I try my hardest to take the emphasis off of grades. While I believe they are important, and useful at times, they are not the end all be all and do not necessarily reflect ones ability to make, creative, be imaginative and connect to others through music #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Dec 4 @ 8:17 PM EST
    Question number two: Do you consciously teach music that is considered more inclusive? Music reflective of non-white cultures, LGBTQ communities, etc.? What led you to this? #musedchat
  • mattnix89 Dec 4 @ 8:19 PM EST
    I start every school year with the phrase "I don't care about grades". Students are often shocked! I follow up with "I care about you more as people, not as assessments." #musedchat
    In reply to @marissaguarr
  • jhallma_mused Dec 4 @ 8:19 PM EST
    A2: If at all possible yes. It was not so much the fact that these composers were part of LGBTQ communities, it was because the music was good first. #musedchat
  • mattnix89 Dec 4 @ 8:20 PM EST
    A2: I've lately been purposefully programming music of Latinx composers and cultures. I make it clear to students why I'm doing it. My Latinx students have been appreciative. #musedchat
    In reply to @jguarr
  • KateLenniePhilp Dec 4 @ 8:21 PM EST
    A2: I teach in a very diverse district, I try to include the voices and cultures of my students. Always looking for input and guidance from other teachers and families #musedchat
  • jhallma_mused Dec 4 @ 8:21 PM EST
    A2.1: That being said I think programming music written by non-white cultures can be very inclusive because often times the stereotypical image for a "composer" is a dead white person. #musedchat
  • dan_austin76 Dec 4 @ 8:21 PM EST
    A1. One of the keys is to allow the students to be whoever they want to be. I have taught a couple transgender students in recent years. While they were exploring their gender identity I treated it like no big deal. I let them know they could be whoever they needed to #musedchat
    In reply to @mattnix89
  • MrBMusicTeacher Dec 4 @ 8:21 PM EST
    A2 By default most festivals rep. is old white man material. I just try to find food music. #musedchat
    In reply to @jguarr
  • Amplify_Ed Dec 4 @ 8:22 PM EST
    A1: I'd say it comes down to respect. If the students see that you respect and care for them corporately and individually, they will be more likely seek to listen to your instruction as well as respect and include their fellow students. #musedchat
  • mrscannanband Dec 4 @ 8:22 PM EST
    A2 I find this can be a challenge at the elementary level. #musedchat
  • miss_baumeister Dec 4 @ 8:22 PM EST
    A2: YES. I'm in a rural school district, and it can be difficult for all Ss to understand that there is a lot of world out there (I grew up in a similar environment). Programming ethnic music especially & explaining the background does wonders for Ss' understanding. #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Dec 4 @ 8:22 PM EST
    The grant I just wrote was for pieces by composers who are either 1) young 2) female 3) POC or 4) multiple of the above. I work in a smaller rural-ish community and wanted Ss to think outside their comfort zone #musedchat
  • mattnix89 Dec 4 @ 8:23 PM EST
    I would encourage you to work hard to propose music to add to your festival list that is more diverse. I recently did this here in IL - it was much appreciated by my colleagues that I was the voice to offer the idea. Be brave! #musedchat
    In reply to @MrBMusicTeacher, @jguarr
  • Deanna_Nebel Dec 4 @ 8:23 PM EST
    A2: yes, in fact, my colleagues and I discuss diversity in music every week (if not every day) and we make an effort to teach the underrepresented. Our classes are constantly being examined with "how can we add more diversity?" #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Dec 4 @ 8:23 PM EST
    The essential question behind my list was "What are some quality pieces that fit into these categories?" #musedchat
  • ABarneyMusic Dec 4 @ 8:23 PM EST
    A2: I think that first and foremost good music is good music. That being said, there is a ton of great music by female, LGBT and multi-cultural composers. I try to incorporate at least one in each concert and give context! #musedchat
  • dan_austin76 Dec 4 @ 8:23 PM EST
    A1. My students know they are only judged on their contributions to music. Never their gender, races, sexuality, etc. We are a music family. Music and respect are all I ask from my students #musedchat
  • jhallma_mused Dec 4 @ 8:24 PM EST
    In my elem ed classes diversity was a big focus. We discussed lessons that used African, Hispanic, and even jazz. #musedchat
    In reply to @mrscannanband
  • jhallma_mused Dec 4 @ 8:25 PM EST
    Yes! This is awesome!! #musedchat
    • dan_austin76 Dec 4 @ 8:23 PM EST
      A1. My students know they are only judged on their contributions to music. Never their gender, races, sexuality, etc. We are a music family. Music and respect are all I ask from my students #musedchat
  • Deanna_Nebel Dec 4 @ 8:25 PM EST
    #musedchat Students benefit from people that look and speak like them. It shows them someone successful "like them." On the flip side, it shows students that someone *different from them* is successful too. The empathy runs both ways.
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  • mattnix89 Dec 4 @ 8:26 PM EST
    A2: working to perform different genres is huge as well - go for Mariachi, jazz, hip-hop, etc. Break the mold of "the ensemble". #musedchat
  • mattnix89 Dec 4 @ 8:27 PM EST
    I'm lucky to have a before school chamber orchestra group that is conductor-less, and performs all alt-styles. Student directed. It's powerful. #musedchat
  • jguarr - Moderator Dec 4 @ 8:28 PM EST
    Is that something you started, or was it already in place when you took the job? That sounds incredibly empowering for the students. #musedchat
    In reply to @mattnix89
  • mattnix89 Dec 4 @ 8:29 PM EST
    I molded it into what it is now...before my time, it was a "serious classical music" group. Now students own (almost) every aspect of it. Took some convincing at first, but it's paid off in dividends. #musedchat
    In reply to @jguarr
  • dan_austin76 Dec 4 @ 8:29 PM EST
    A2. A few years ago we worked on Markowski’s City Trees. The piece was commissioned by the Gay & Lesbian Band Association. My students and I chatted in detail with Markowski via Skype about the messages he was trying to portray in the piece. Great experience #musedchat
  • JuliaBonifield Dec 4 @ 8:29 PM EST
    A2: I think it is important to include music from different cultures in the classroom. Much like world travel expands your horizons, being exposed to different music gives students a different perspective. #musedchat
  • mrscannanband Dec 4 @ 8:29 PM EST
    No- I’ll have to look into it! #musedchat
    In reply to @mattnix89
  • jhallma_mused Dec 4 @ 8:31 PM EST
    Yes! And often times seeing that music isn't limited to one group but rather is inclusive can be very empowering too. #musedchat
    In reply to @JuliaBonifield
  • traviszinnel Dec 4 @ 8:31 PM EST
    I make this part of my job. To teach people’s history through music. And bc we have a great diverse population, we celebrate the cultures within and their music. #musedchat
    • jguarr - Moderator Dec 4 @ 8:17 PM EST
      Question number two: Do you consciously teach music that is considered more inclusive? Music reflective of non-white cultures, LGBTQ communities, etc.? What led you to this? #musedchat
  • BRCampbell5 Dec 4 @ 8:33 PM EST
    A2: I try to expose my students to a large variety of music, including jazz, hip-hop, gamelan music and kora music. This important because it not only exposes students to different musical styles, but also cultural values and traditions. #musedchat
    In reply to @jguarr
  • mattnix89 Dec 4 @ 8:33 PM EST
    Question 3: What do your students say in class regarding LGBTQ/music issues? How do they come up? Why? #musedchat
  • MrBMusicTeacher Dec 4 @ 8:35 PM EST
    #musedchat A3 is it bad that it hasn't come up in conversation.
  • mattnix89 Dec 4 @ 8:35 PM EST
    I love that you connected with a living composer for this project - how powerful! Did you have any pushback from students/community? #musedchat
    In reply to @dan_austin76
  • Deanna_Nebel Dec 4 @ 8:36 PM EST
    A2: Context = important. It often isn't enough to just introduce musical sounds. The different cultural attitudes & viewpoints are important too. Otherwise, we're just exposing Ss to an abstract rather than something that helps memory and understanding #musedchat
  • dan_austin76 Dec 4 @ 8:38 PM EST
    A3. An interesting issue that came up this year was transgender students singing in choir. Some festivals still have all male and all female divisions. We didn’t end up competing in those festival but I wonder if anyone else has had this situation arise? #musedchat
  • mattnix89 Dec 4 @ 8:39 PM EST
    I've noticed that this is a huge issue on the big Choral Director's Facebook page. Have you seen the discussion there? #musedchat
    In reply to @dan_austin76
  • jhallma_mused Dec 4 @ 8:39 PM EST
    A3: It hasn't come up for me yet. I think it's important to discuss aspects of a composer that are important in context of the music being played. #musedchat
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  • jguarr - Moderator Dec 4 @ 8:40 PM EST
    Not a ton of conversation in my MS classroom. Students have a better support network building-wide once they get to the HS, so I think they feel more comfortable talking then. #musedchat
  • mattnix89 Dec 4 @ 8:40 PM EST
    Can you explain in more detail what you mean by this? #musedchat
    In reply to @jhallma_mused
  • dan_austin76 Dec 4 @ 8:41 PM EST
    No. I live in a very liberal community in Canada. In fact our Xmas concert this year is a fundraiser for the local LGTBQ resource center. Everyone is very open minded. #musedchat
    In reply to @mattnix89
  • dan_austin76 Dec 4 @ 8:42 PM EST
    I haven’t but I will check it out. #MusEdchat
    In reply to @mattnix89
  • mattnix89 Dec 4 @ 8:44 PM EST
    In my classroom, I find (ironically) that lately me talking about my boyfriend/partner has opened up avenues for LGBTQ discussions. I like to speak onley to create normalcy around a possibly charged topic. #musedchat
  • marissaguarr Dec 4 @ 8:45 PM EST
    A2: i always try to incorporate alternative styles and touch of many cultures, etc. through my teaching. My Ss hopefully understand that Music is for everyone- truly universal. #musedchat
  • mattnix89 Dec 4 @ 8:45 PM EST
    It's also opened avenues for students to talk about composers, expression through composition, and motivations for writing music. #musedchat
  • mattnix89 Dec 4 @ 8:48 PM EST
    Q4: What questions do you have regarding LGBTQ issues in music education? #musedchat
  • jhallma_mused Dec 4 @ 8:48 PM EST
    I think that it's important to give Ss authentic context into the life of the composer who wrote the music. I believe that in order to learn the message the composer was trying to send with a piece of music, we must learn about their life in the context of a piece. #musedchat
    In reply to @mattnix89
  • marissaguarr Dec 4 @ 8:48 PM EST
    A3: nothing specific in my classes (I only really spoke about it in college music history classes as a student)- but students learn that music is for ALL- it does not discriminate and hopefully, they can see it in that way... it’s most organic way! #musedchat
  • traviszinnel Dec 4 @ 8:49 PM EST
    The conversation for me has been ones biological sex and then their gender and their voice part, as sometimes different entities. It’s a very interesting intersection where we have to discuss where bio and gender as they relate to the voice. #musedchat
    In reply to @dan_austin76
  • musichollie Dec 4 @ 8:49 PM EST
    A3- this cannot be discussed at my elem school without very careful consideration. Very conservative area. At HS level, more open. #musedchat
  • marissaguarr Dec 4 @ 8:49 PM EST
    A3: nothing specific in my classes (I only really spoke about it in college music history classes as a student)- but students learn that music is for ALL- it does not discriminate and hopefully, they can see it in that way... it’s most authentic way! #musedchat
  • dan_austin76 Dec 4 @ 8:50 PM EST
    A4. I would love to know where to find resources about LGTBQ themed music, composers, etc. Besides the Gay & Lesbian Band Association I am not aware of many other communities or resources. #musedchat
  • mattnix89 Dec 4 @ 8:51 PM EST
    Are you on facebook? I would encourage you to join the LGBTQ Safe Space for Music Educators group. You can connect with other band teachers who could help you with this. #musedchat
    In reply to @dan_austin76
  • mattnix89 Dec 4 @ 8:51 PM EST
    You could even start a shared document there to start a list of these kinds of compositions. #musedchat
    In reply to @dan_austin76
  • dan_austin76 Dec 4 @ 8:53 PM EST
    A3. I taught a student who changed gender identification in the 5 years as my student. Music was his comfortable space where he could be open even before he was with family. All band students were very accepting and when he graduated he got this tattoo #musedchat
  • Deanna_Nebel Dec 4 @ 8:53 PM EST
    A4: what are some best practices to introduce an LGBTQ+ artist/song/topic to a group that is, say, less open? What are good ways to have meaningful discussion and dialogue? I'm always looking for new ideas! #musedchat
  • mattnix89 Dec 4 @ 8:54 PM EST
    I would suggest starting with something contemporary (i.e. Frank Ocean) and share a song with lyrics about love/personal issues. Connect there, and then mention that this song was written in a LGBTQ context. I would ask if that changes initial perceptions. #musedchat
    In reply to @Deanna_Nebel
  • dan_austin76 Dec 4 @ 8:55 PM EST
    For years I worked with an a cappella boys choir that competed in the barbershop youth festival. Just recently they have opened the festival to transgender students. #MusEdchat
    In reply to @traviszinnel
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  • mattnix89 Dec 4 @ 8:56 PM EST
    Also, I wouldn't hesitate or tip-toe around the topic. Confidently present it, and treat it as if it wasn't potentially controversial. #musedchat
    In reply to @Deanna_Nebel
  • mattnix89 Dec 4 @ 8:57 PM EST
    I would also ask the students if they know anyone that identifies at LGBTQ...I guarantee a large number of them will! Even if it's not a personal connection (think of celebrities). #musedchat
    In reply to @Deanna_Nebel
  • dan_austin76 Dec 4 @ 8:58 PM EST
    Awesome! I find lots of choral rep that address LGTBQ topics but it is harder to find in band music #MusEdchat
    In reply to @mattnix89
  • jguarr - Moderator Dec 4 @ 8:58 PM EST
    Bath time for the baby, so I've got to sign off a few minutes early here. Many, many thanks to @mattnix89 for sharing his expertise and advocacy tonight! #musedchat
  • mattnix89 Dec 4 @ 8:59 PM EST
    #musedchat
    • Deanna_Nebel Dec 4 @ 8:58 PM EST
      Listing celebrities might be a good start esp with the specific type of music ed that we work with. It is also safer so that they do not accidentally out a classmate. Also, there's no shortage of LGBTQ in rock and roll! :-)
      In reply to @mattnix89