#RuralEdChat Archive

#RuralEdChat is a chat that focuses on the needs of the rural educator. This chat has been revised by Tammy Neil (@MathNeil), John Martin (@edventures) and Natalee Stotz (@nataleestotz).

Tuesday March 27, 2018
8:30 PM EDT

  • edventures - Moderator Mar 27 @ 8:30 PM EDT
    Good evening #RuralEdChat friends! Tonight we talk alternatives to traditional assessments so we hope you brought your thinking caps!
  • edventures - Moderator Mar 27 @ 8:31 PM EDT
    For those who don't remember me, I'm John Martin out of Sandwich, NH and I'll be your moderator/chief pot stirrer for tonight's #RuralEdChat.
  • edventures - Moderator Mar 27 @ 8:32 PM EDT
    Please take a moment to introduce yourself for the benefit of those of us with really terrible short term memories! #thatsme #RuralEdChat
  • bwardleader Mar 27 @ 8:33 PM EDT
    Bryan from SWVA. I am a first timer. #RuralEdChat
  • edventures - Moderator Mar 27 @ 8:33 PM EDT
    Aloha and welcome to #RuralEdChat Bryan!
    In reply to @bwardleader
  • try_rebooting Mar 27 @ 8:34 PM EDT
    Hey all! I'm Matt, a volunteer teacher/teacher trainer for computer science in WA. Joining for the first part of the chat, might have to step out early #RuralEdChat
  • garrisstroud Mar 27 @ 8:34 PM EDT
    I'm Garris, a middle school science teacher and @HSG_KY Fellow from rural Western Kentucky. #ruraledchat
  • edventures - Moderator Mar 27 @ 8:35 PM EDT
    #RuralEdChat Before we talk about alternatives, what are the principles of an effective assessment?
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Mar 27 @ 8:35 PM EDT
    I'm Tammy from rural north Florida. #RuralEdChat
  • edventures - Moderator Mar 27 @ 8:35 PM EDT
    No worries Matt, glad to have you aboard #RuralEdChat tonight!
    In reply to @try_rebooting
  • edventures - Moderator Mar 27 @ 8:35 PM EDT
    Heya Garris, thanks for tuning in tonight! #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @garrisstroud, @HSG_KY
  • edventures - Moderator Mar 27 @ 8:36 PM EDT
    #RuralEdChat I'm a big fan of the modified version of @DanielPink's AMP model with a twist: RAMP: Relevance, Autonomy, Mastery, Purpose
  • edventures - Moderator Mar 27 @ 8:37 PM EDT
    While I know it is about motivation, I believe similar principles apply to effective teaching & learning and by extension, assessment. https://t.co/POK98Lnnhq #RuralEdChat
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Mar 27 @ 8:37 PM EDT
    Effective assessment lets the person being assess show his/her true understanding of the material. #RuralEdChat
  • Dale_Chu Mar 27 @ 8:38 PM EDT
    HAPPENING NOW: @RuralEdChat moderating a talk on alternative assessments. Follow along at #RuralEdChat! @edventures
  • garrisstroud Mar 27 @ 8:38 PM EDT
    Effective assessments should be valid (they test what was taught), reliable (not going to change drastically with a different group of students), and used for the purpose of gauging learning and driving future instruction. #ruraledchat
    In reply to @edventures
  • SJ_Grubb Mar 27 @ 8:38 PM EDT
    Hi! Teacher ed professor working in SE KY. #RuralEdChat
  • korytellers Mar 27 @ 8:39 PM EDT
    I’m not sure how long I’ll be here, waiting in the car to pick up daughter at a track meet. We’ll see when I get the call! #MomsTaxiDuty🚕🚖 #RuralEdChat
  • edventures - Moderator Mar 27 @ 8:39 PM EDT
    Kory, it's great to *see* you again! #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @korytellers
  • edventures - Moderator Mar 27 @ 8:40 PM EDT
    #RuralEdChat Q1: If typical assessments, particularly standardized tests, aren't what we are looking for, how can assessment be moved from being high-stakes serious to more playful and engaging?
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  • edventures - Moderator Mar 27 @ 8:40 PM EDT
    Thanks for coming along! #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @SJ_Grubb
  • SJ_Grubb Mar 27 @ 8:41 PM EDT
    Love this! @TG_Neil #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @TG_Neil, @TG_Neil
  • korytellers Mar 27 @ 8:42 PM EDT
    Thanks! Tuesdays have been busy nights for me! Not a lot of chatting time for me! #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @edventures
  • try_rebooting Mar 27 @ 8:42 PM EDT
    A1: to say more than just shout "formative assessment!", I think a big part of engaging is lowering stress and really providing opportunity to show understanding. Assess with projects, presentations, or at least test + opportunity to revise. #RuralEdChat
    • edventures - Moderator Mar 27 @ 8:40 PM EDT
      #RuralEdChat Q1: If typical assessments, particularly standardized tests, aren't what we are looking for, how can assessment be moved from being high-stakes serious to more playful and engaging?
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Mar 27 @ 8:43 PM EDT
    A1: There are lots of apps/sites that make this kind of easy. #RuralEdChat
  • edventures - Moderator Mar 27 @ 8:43 PM EDT
    Meet Koa, tonight’s #RuralEdChat co-pilot.
  • bwardleader Mar 27 @ 8:43 PM EDT
    A1. When student are given an opportunity to be creative with their learning it is so much more rewarding for them. Otherwise the just learn for the short term. #RuralEdChat
  • garrisstroud Mar 27 @ 8:43 PM EDT
    A1: I think that depends on the context. States need accountability for their schools, and testing is the best way we've figured out to achieve that. But as classroom teachers, not all units have to end with a paper-and-pencil test. #ruraledchat
  • korytellers Mar 27 @ 8:44 PM EDT
    A1 By moving to more Standards Based Grading opportunities. #RuralEdChat
  • try_rebooting Mar 27 @ 8:44 PM EDT
    Of course, some students will be more stressed by presentations (*raises own hand*), but you can help by only grading what understanding you care about. I would lose points in art class because "your speech wasn't clear, you seemed nervous". 1) Yes, and 2) so what? #RuralEdChat
  • SJ_Grubb Mar 27 @ 8:44 PM EDT
    Assessments are part of the feedback loop and a method of reflection of goals. When it isn’t co-created, reflection is lost. #RuralEdChat
  • garrisstroud Mar 27 @ 8:45 PM EDT
    A1: I think we can achieve that by incorporating game and project-based learning into our instruction. Just make sure the assessment measures what we've taught. #ruraledchat
  • edventures - Moderator Mar 27 @ 8:45 PM EDT
    The question becomes, what is it that we claim to be measuring, and are the measurements we employ reflective of the learning outcomes we expect our students to possess? #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @garrisstroud
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Mar 27 @ 8:45 PM EDT
    There is a whole other chat in this response. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @garrisstroud
  • edventures - Moderator Mar 27 @ 8:46 PM EDT
    My thoughts exactly! #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @TG_Neil, @garrisstroud
  • edventures - Moderator Mar 27 @ 8:46 PM EDT
    We may have a future #RuralEdChat topic right here now!
    In reply to @TG_Neil, @garrisstroud
  • korytellers Mar 27 @ 8:46 PM EDT
    Got the call! Sorry to have to leave so soon!🚖🚕 #RuralEdChat
  • edventures - Moderator Mar 27 @ 8:47 PM EDT
    That brings up a good point, if we are putting students into scenarios where they may be set up to fail, is that really an effective assessment of their learning? #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @try_rebooting
  • edventures - Moderator Mar 27 @ 8:47 PM EDT
    G'bye Kory! Next time. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @korytellers
  • garrisstroud Mar 27 @ 8:47 PM EDT
    Right. It should form a loop, then. Our teaching comes from the standard, which tells us what each student would know about a particular topic. From that, we develop learning targets from the standards that are eventually assessed. How the assessment occurs can vary. #ruraledchat
    In reply to @edventures
  • AndrewSharosAP Mar 27 @ 8:47 PM EDT
    Great to follow the great chats tonight. Please consider joining us for the very first #APTeach chat on 4/4 at 8pm CST. All those inside and outside the AP community are welcome! #ruraledchat #FlipgridFever #ASCD18 #edteach #edtechchat #edtech @All4sand5s
  • bwardleader Mar 27 @ 8:47 PM EDT
    I can’t say that I remember a single bubble sheet test I have taken, but I remember quite a few projects that I had as an assignment, which says a lot at my age. #RuralEdChat
  • SJ_Grubb Mar 27 @ 8:49 PM EDT
    I’d say from a goal—whether co-created, imagined, or handed down from somewhere else. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @garrisstroud, @edventures
  • edventures - Moderator Mar 27 @ 8:50 PM EDT
    #RuralEdChat Q2: Based on an early response, what challenges do we face when creating assessments and managing school or district expectations?
  • edventures - Moderator Mar 27 @ 8:50 PM EDT
    Word. I still recall a project I was asked to do in 4th grade because my teacher made it relevant and meaningful to me. A study on the new (at the time) field of satellites. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @bwardleader
  • try_rebooting Mar 27 @ 8:50 PM EDT
    "You have to demonstrate understanding in the single way I deem important" probably isn't the right answer. At least, not since we can so often provide more opportunities. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @edventures
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Mar 27 @ 8:51 PM EDT
    A2: We must make sure that all involved understand how assessments are taking place. If my Admin and District leaders don't get it, how will my students and their parents? #RuralEdChat
  • try_rebooting Mar 27 @ 8:52 PM EDT
    I'm luck in that I help teach coding - it's naturally more project based. But we're AP this year, and unsure of how to set expectations for how students will do on that test. #RuralEdChat
    • edventures - Moderator Mar 27 @ 8:50 PM EDT
      #RuralEdChat Q2: Based on an early response, what challenges do we face when creating assessments and managing school or district expectations?
  • edventures - Moderator Mar 27 @ 8:53 PM EDT
    I was in a similar boat when I taught Video Game Design & Development years ago. Plenty of authentic assessment opportunities there. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @try_rebooting
  • garrisstroud Mar 27 @ 8:53 PM EDT
    A2: Tradition. Old-fashioned testing and grading are valued for their objectiveness -- for quantitative preciseness and ease. Unfortunately, learning is messy, and not always black and white like traditional assessments might have us believe. #ruraledchat
  • SJ_Grubb Mar 27 @ 8:54 PM EDT
    #RuralEdChat Assessment conceptualization says a lot about what we value.
    • edventures - Moderator Mar 27 @ 8:50 PM EDT
      #RuralEdChat Q2: Based on an early response, what challenges do we face when creating assessments and managing school or district expectations?
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Mar 27 @ 8:55 PM EDT
    I truly believe that "old fashioned" assessments lend themselves to the "memorize and test" method of teaching. Were we ever assessing true learning? #RuralEdChat
  • SJ_Grubb Mar 27 @ 8:56 PM EDT
    Good question... :) #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @TG_Neil
  • try_rebooting Mar 27 @ 8:57 PM EDT
    I think its possible to structure multiple choice tests to give students problems that force them to apply concepts, not just regurgitate trivia. But it's hard and takes time and usually doesn't happen #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @TG_Neil
  • edventures - Moderator Mar 27 @ 8:58 PM EDT
    So much fun. I miss teaching now that I am in admin world. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @garrisstroud, @try_rebooting
  • bwardleader Mar 27 @ 8:58 PM EDT
    A2. Engagement is the key. If students aren’t engaged then learning doesn’t take place. Alternative assessments can bridge the gap between standardized testing and student involvement. Communicating that is key. #RuralEdChat
  • edventures - Moderator Mar 27 @ 8:59 PM EDT
    True. Speed and efficiency is valued over depth and accuracy/veracity. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @try_rebooting, @TG_Neil
  • edventures - Moderator Mar 27 @ 9:00 PM EDT
    #RuralEdChat Q3 - How do you plan for assessment that meets the needs of your students if traditional methods fall short?
  • edventures - Moderator Mar 27 @ 9:00 PM EDT
    We're halfway there #RuralEdChat friends. If we're missing a question you'd like to explore, let me know!
  • SJ_Grubb Mar 27 @ 9:00 PM EDT
    #RuralEdChat It IS possible-you put the time into the front end of creation. Ss can then give themselves desc feedback when reflecting.
    In reply to @try_rebooting, @TG_Neil
  • try_rebooting Mar 27 @ 9:01 PM EDT
    Sounds like the good kind of student struggles :) #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @garrisstroud, @TG_Neil
  • edventures - Moderator Mar 27 @ 9:01 PM EDT
    #RuralEdChat New Hampshire is piloting an alternative to standardized tests in its #PACE program. https://t.co/D6xK71VKT2
  • edventures - Moderator Mar 27 @ 9:02 PM EDT
    A bit of cognitive dissonance is good for your growth! #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @try_rebooting, @garrisstroud, @TG_Neil
  • garrisstroud Mar 27 @ 9:02 PM EDT
    A3: It begins by seeking to understand why the traditional methods fell short. We expect good instruction to be student-centered, so why not good assessments too? #ruraledchat
  • ReadAhead1 Mar 27 @ 9:02 PM EDT
    A1 I’m working on a method to have students pick key ideas in what they read and then quickly be able to transform the text so those words jump off the page. They can simulate their reading experiences for each other. #RuralEdChat
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Mar 27 @ 9:02 PM EDT
    A3: Here's a novel thought...include the students in the planning? Give them options. Let them choose. #RuralEdChat
  • edventures - Moderator Mar 27 @ 9:04 PM EDT
    Interesting, how does that work? #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @ReadAhead1
  • edventures - Moderator Mar 27 @ 9:05 PM EDT
    I like it because it gives us some new tools for gauging learning and rather than having a contrived standardized test which does not relate to one's learning, it becomes a natural progression in the existing curriculum. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @garrisstroud
  • edventures - Moderator Mar 27 @ 9:07 PM EDT
    #RuralEdChat
    • ReadAhead1 Mar 27 @ 9:06 PM EDT
      It’s my grad school work + amazing team of friends + AI engine. It’s a free tool on the web you can use: https://t.co/f8VCNBMiB9
      In reply to @edventures
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Mar 27 @ 9:07 PM EDT
    Exactly, just like asking a 5 year old to pick a shirt. Red or Blue? You're going to wear a shirt, but which color. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @SJ_Grubb
  • bwardleader Mar 27 @ 9:07 PM EDT
    A3 I think that this is a challenge. I also think that students must be taught the skills needed to complete alternative assessments before they are summative. It takes time to learn your students and their strengths. Small steps early can go a long way. #RuralEdChat
  • edventures - Moderator Mar 27 @ 9:09 PM EDT
    That's a great point and goes to the heart of one of my biggest frustration with PARCC and SBAC (SAS in NH) - the time spent to learn tools which have no purpose or transferable skill beyond the test. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @bwardleader
  • edventures - Moderator Mar 27 @ 9:10 PM EDT
    #RuralEdChat Q4 - Beyond traditional assessments, how else do you assess students in your classroom?
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Mar 27 @ 9:12 PM EDT
    A4: Most of my classroom assessments are project based. #RuralEdChat
  • garrisstroud Mar 27 @ 9:12 PM EDT
    A4: I focus a lot on questioning strategies. I tell my kids that life isn't always about the answers as much as the questions. Especially in science! #ruraledchat
  • edventures - Moderator Mar 27 @ 9:12 PM EDT
    Happy to put you in touch with some of the schools here to share ideas! #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @ReadAhead1
  • SJ_Grubb Mar 27 @ 9:13 PM EDT
    It is constant. We write & have seminar style classes where the curriculum is co-created with Ss based on course goals. #RuralEdChat
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Mar 27 @ 9:14 PM EDT
    I also add a "impress me" to the bottom of my expectation page. #RuralEdChat
  • edventures - Moderator Mar 27 @ 9:14 PM EDT
    Love that, I'd be interested to learn more how you implement this. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @SJ_Grubb
  • edventures - Moderator Mar 27 @ 9:15 PM EDT
    Alright, now that's just cool. A bit of freedom, a touch of challenge, a hint of a dare. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @TG_Neil
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  • garrisstroud Mar 27 @ 9:17 PM EDT
    A4: Classroom assessment needs to be varied, just like any other aspect of instruction. It takes a blend of approaches to really understand how well our students are learning. #ruraledchat
  • edventures - Moderator Mar 27 @ 9:19 PM EDT
    #RuralEdChat - I wonder how students would respond to this kind of assessment: Kobayashi Maru https://t.co/ra45QPirgb
  • edventures - Moderator Mar 27 @ 9:20 PM EDT
    #RuralEdChat Q5 - Knowing that we cannot wave a magic wand and make it happen, how can assessment be moved from being high-stakes serious to more playful and engaging?
  • edventures - Moderator Mar 27 @ 9:20 PM EDT
    Unless you take a lesson from Capt. Kirk and build a solution that doesn't yet exist. #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @ReadAhead1
  • SJ_Grubb Mar 27 @ 9:22 PM EDT
    Q5) What WOULD happen if all public school Ss just opted out? Pipe dream? :-) #RuralEdChat
  • edventures - Moderator Mar 27 @ 9:22 PM EDT
    Mea Culpa! ;D #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @garrisstroud
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Mar 27 @ 9:23 PM EDT
    A5: By trusting educators to be professionals. Most "High Stakes" testing revolves around State and Federal laws. These expectations don't rely on educators being educators. #RuralEdChat
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Mar 27 @ 9:24 PM EDT
    Just a tad too "high stakes"? #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @edventures
  • edventures - Moderator Mar 27 @ 9:24 PM EDT
    As I said in my intro at the beginning of tonight's #RuralEdChat I am the chief pot stirrer! LOL.
    In reply to @ReadAhead1
  • edventures - Moderator Mar 27 @ 9:25 PM EDT
    Ok, a wee bit. Although it was just a scenario... #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @TG_Neil
  • edventures - Moderator Mar 27 @ 9:28 PM EDT
    Hey y'all, thanks for jumping on board our #RuralEdChat conversation tonight, it's been a fun time!
  • TG_Neil - Moderator Mar 27 @ 9:29 PM EDT
    Do we NEED it or do some just WANT it? What does it really measure? True learning or is it a hoop to jump through? #RuralEdChat
    In reply to @garrisstroud