#sschat Archive

#sschat is a network of educators, resources, and ideas that started on Twitter, but has expanded to Facebook, an annual NCSS unconference, and more. Join us to chat asynchronously on Twitter or Facebook, or chat with us live on Mondays from 7-8pm EST.

Monday March 19, 2018
7:00 PM EDT

  • BusbinsClassAHS Mar 19 @ 7:00 PM EDT
    Welcome to #sschat! Introduce yourself, where you teach, & how long you have been in the classroom...are you a "New Guy" or "Short-Timer?" #VietnamWar
  • classroomtools Mar 19 @ 7:01 PM EDT
    Hi #sschat, this is Bill Chapman, a retired secondary social studies teacher, checking in from Berkeley, CA. I guess I'd be called a past timer.
  • dwsteven Mar 19 @ 7:01 PM EDT
    Hey #sschat, Dwight from the beautiful Adirondacks where I teach 7th grade social studies. I've been making YouTube videos to update students recently, the latest: 9 ways to protect yourself from fake news & the Boston Massacre is here: https://t.co/9dnovlLe97
  • EDSITEment Mar 19 @ 7:01 PM EDT
    Joe Phelan I teach college students,UMUC, and work at @EDSITEment #sschat #vietnamwar
  • BusbinsClassAHS Mar 19 @ 7:01 PM EDT
    Glad you can make it. It is a tough period to teach with all of the change and lack of easy battles, etc. like WWI or WWII. Hope we can help! #sschat
    In reply to @madmanjesse744, @TeachFromHere
  • GeoJo22 Mar 19 @ 7:02 PM EDT
    Joanne from Missouri. 7th grade world history and 11th grade modern global issues. This is my 18th year in the classroom. #sschat
  • CHitch94 - Moderator Mar 19 @ 7:02 PM EDT
    Chris from Bloomington, IN. Teach world history for private online HS affiliated w/ Indiana Univ. Started teaching in 1995 but had few years off when kids were young. Guess I'm an old-timer. ;) #sschat
  • classroomtools Mar 19 @ 7:02 PM EDT
    Thanks Blake, very happy to be here. I may be the only Vietnam Vet participant tonight. #sschat
    In reply to @BusbinsClassAHS
  • GeoJo22 Mar 19 @ 7:02 PM EDT
    Hello, Bill! #sschat
    In reply to @classroomtools
  • madmanjesse744 Mar 19 @ 7:02 PM EDT
    I'm a pre service teacher currently in my final year at USAO planning to teach in Oklahoma or Texas @TeachFromHere #sschat
    In reply to @BusbinsClassAHS, @TeachFromHere
  • Miss_Hansell Mar 19 @ 7:02 PM EDT
    Hi everyone! I'm Jenna and I am a preservice teacher going to school in PA #sschat #SSEDMETHODS
  • classroomtools Mar 19 @ 7:03 PM EDT
    Hi Joanne, how is your foot healing? #sschat
    In reply to @GeoJo22
  • MsTurner1027 Mar 19 @ 7:03 PM EDT
    Hey wonderful #sschat people. Kayla here from Raleigh NC. I currently teach fantastic students #APUSH and #AH2. This is my 4th year teaching
  • NickLawrenceJC Mar 19 @ 7:03 PM EDT
    Good evening! I work in a school in the Bronx and live in NJ. I taught middle school US for 8 years and now am an AP. #sschat
  • BusbinsClassAHS Mar 19 @ 7:03 PM EDT
    Great to have you! Looking forward to our world history teachers sharing a more global perspective on the Vietnam War #sschat
    In reply to @GeoJo22
  • vicpasquantonio Mar 19 @ 7:04 PM EDT
    Vic here from NewsHour. Powerful, relevant topic #sschat
  • WebArchivist Mar 19 @ 7:04 PM EDT
    Good evening #sschat - I'm an archivist from @NCArchives, following along to learn more about how we can help teachers and students.
  • GeoJo22 Mar 19 @ 7:04 PM EDT
    Fine, I guess. I see the doc Thursday. #sschat
    In reply to @classroomtools
  • classroomtools Mar 19 @ 7:04 PM EDT
    Hi Vicky, great to see you! #sschat
    In reply to @vicpasquantonio
  • johnsonmaryj Mar 19 @ 7:04 PM EDT
    Hello #sschat friends from Mary in CO. Just spent the weekend with a friend who is facing Agent Orange related lymphoma & bladder cancer. Sure makes it real.
  • BusbinsClassAHS Mar 19 @ 7:04 PM EDT
    We'll go ahead and get started...Q1: When teaching the Vietnam War, what do you focus on in your teaching? #sschat
  • DarrenHause Mar 19 @ 7:05 PM EDT
    It has been a while since last time I participated in #sschat! I'm Darren and I'm a social studies teacher at @csdriverside. I'll just lurk tonight as I'm occupied at this hour.
  • MrsRBGriffith Mar 19 @ 7:05 PM EDT
    #sschat Good Evening. I teach American History. This is my 27th year. I'm from North Carolina. #NHCSchat @jeannietimken
  • classroomtools Mar 19 @ 7:05 PM EDT
    Oh my, please give him/her my best wishes! #sschat
    In reply to @johnsonmaryj
  • thewarsnak Mar 19 @ 7:05 PM EDT
    Hi all, TJ Warsnak joining in from Kansas. I am a HS history teacher. Probably closer to an old-timer but I still have a few new ideas. #sschat
  • historycomics Mar 19 @ 7:06 PM EDT
    I have taught HS social studies since 9/10/01 - yep. My second day was a doozy! #sschat I integrate comics and pop culture in my classroom - comics as historical artifacts.
  • Mrneilhistory Mar 19 @ 7:06 PM EDT
    :( #sschat
    In reply to @johnsonmaryj
  • EDSITEment Mar 19 @ 7:06 PM EDT
    Good place to start Forces that fueled the #vietnamwar https://t.co/7En6XZodDR #sschat
  • BusbinsClassAHS Mar 19 @ 7:06 PM EDT
    Very true. We have lost several of our veterans we have interviewed from Agent Orange-related illnesses. Important legacy of the war to communicate to students #sschat
    In reply to @johnsonmaryj
  • OkemaForever Mar 19 @ 7:06 PM EDT
    Okema | Parent | Peeking in on #SSChat | Social Studies Chat
  • madmanjesse744 Mar 19 @ 7:06 PM EDT
    #sschat for me the key focus should be the cause of the change from overwhelming support to hatred @TeachFromHere
    In reply to @BusbinsClassAHS, @TeachFromHere
  • johnsonmaryj Mar 19 @ 7:06 PM EDT
    Thanks, Bill. Bob's a brave man, a retired teacher, and an all-around good guy. #sschat
    In reply to @classroomtools
  • Mrneilhistory Mar 19 @ 7:06 PM EDT
    Hi Vic! #sschat
    In reply to @vicpasquantonio
  • dankrutka - Moderator Mar 19 @ 7:06 PM EDT
    Hi, #sschat friends. Dan Krutka checking in for the chat. I teach teachers @UNT_COE & have been doing that for 6 years now, but taught high school the six years before that. ᴸᵒᵒᵏᶦⁿᵍ ᶠᵒʳʷᵃʳᵈ ᵗᵒ ᵗʰᵉ ᶜʰᵃᵗ.
  • classroomtools Mar 19 @ 7:06 PM EDT
    A1 When I taught the #VietnamWar, I focused on the Vietnamese people, and the sacrifices we forced them to make. #sschat
  • highleyjane Mar 19 @ 7:06 PM EDT
    Hello, colleagues! I teach 8th US in Philadelphia. I'm an old new-timer; I've been a new teacher many times. :) #sschat
  • Dale_Chu Mar 19 @ 7:07 PM EDT
    HAPPENING NOW: @BusbinsClassAHS moderating a chat on the Vietnam War. Follow along at #sschat!
  • CHitch94 - Moderator Mar 19 @ 7:07 PM EDT
    A1) I tend to focus more on the causes. How the conflict was rooted in imperialism, nationalism, and the Cold War. Never felt I had time to do it justice, though. #sschat
  • EDSITEment Mar 19 @ 7:07 PM EDT
    Popular Beliefs and Misconceptions https://t.co/tlrUm2B1qx #sschat #vietnamwar
  • Mrneilhistory Mar 19 @ 7:07 PM EDT
    Thank you Bill #sschat
    In reply to @classroomtools, @BusbinsClassAHS
  • Miss_Rosengrant Mar 19 @ 7:07 PM EDT
    I’m at pre service teacher from central PA in my junior year! #sschat #SSMETHODS
    In reply to @BusbinsClassAHS
  • dwsteven Mar 19 @ 7:07 PM EDT
    A1: When I taught global, I focused on the geopolitical. Containment, communism, the bigger picture causes & efforts for the war. #sschat
    • BusbinsClassAHS Mar 19 @ 7:04 PM EDT
      We'll go ahead and get started...Q1: When teaching the Vietnam War, what do you focus on in your teaching? #sschat
  • BusbinsClassAHS Mar 19 @ 7:08 PM EDT
    Important to integrate sources that help reveal multiple perspectives. A lot of great new research being done showing Vietnamese experience #sschat
  • thewarsnak Mar 19 @ 7:08 PM EDT
    A1: The multiple causation ongoing escalation within the backdrop of the Cold War is important. This and the war as seen on the home-front.#sschat t
  • highleyjane Mar 19 @ 7:08 PM EDT
    A1 - I put the focus on the controversy b/c there's still a shroud of controversy about the war. We look at the facts and timelines and then consider what could've been; contingencies, etc. #sschat
  • dankrutka - Moderator Mar 19 @ 7:08 PM EDT
    A1: When I taught the #VietnamWar the first time it was a task to get all the details right, but as I went on I focused more on differing perspectives of the war on the homefront & abroad. #sschat
  • drs116 Mar 19 @ 7:08 PM EDT
    I haven't taught US History for several years but I used Fog of War in my Geopolitical Studies class this past semester #sschat
    In reply to @BusbinsClassAHS
  • MrsRBGriffith Mar 19 @ 7:08 PM EDT
    Q1 #sschat When teaching the Vietnam War, I try to focus on the Human Element - The People. I try to tell their stories through photos and primary source materials. #nhcschat @jeannietimken
  • GeoJo22 Mar 19 @ 7:08 PM EDT
    A1. Historical context. While I haven't seen it all, @PBS series did a great job on this. #sschat
  • Mrneilhistory Mar 19 @ 7:09 PM EDT
    Welcome Hannah! #sschat
    In reply to @Miss_Rosengrant, @BusbinsClassAHS
  • NicoleKaneEdu Mar 19 @ 7:09 PM EDT
    #sschat Hello everyone! My name is Nicole and I am a junior studying Early Childhood and Special Education at Elizabethtown College in Pennsylvania. #SSEDMETHODS
  • Chucktaft Mar 19 @ 7:09 PM EDT
    A1 #sschat To me, teaching Vietnam isn't teaching "the war" - it's teaching the era, in country and at home, and keeping one word in mind - LEGACY
  • MsTurner1027 Mar 19 @ 7:09 PM EDT
    A1: in #apush I focus on the reasons for war& counter war movement and why this war is so controversial #sschat
  • BusbinsClassAHS Mar 19 @ 7:09 PM EDT
    With so much going on in Cold War, I try to fit in these same themes and work Vietnam as a case study. #sschat
    In reply to @dwsteven
  • newnanhshistory Mar 19 @ 7:09 PM EDT
    Steve Quesinberry, Newnan High School in Georgia. Short-timer! #sschat
  • Mrneilhistory Mar 19 @ 7:09 PM EDT
    :-) Me too! #sschat
    In reply to @highleyjane
  • highleyjane Mar 19 @ 7:09 PM EDT
    A1 - I also continue to emphasize on a clear and consistent understanding of the terms. I think this unit, more than any other since Reconstruction, has terms that are really foreign to Ss. #sschat
  • NHTOYMc Mar 19 @ 7:10 PM EDT
    Hello. Nate from Kansas. HS History. #sschat
  • classroomtools Mar 19 @ 7:10 PM EDT
    Interesting Jane. What are a couple of examples? #sschat
    In reply to @highleyjane
  • BusbinsClassAHS Mar 19 @ 7:10 PM EDT
    So many years to cover and facts disagreed upon...to try to cover everything can be daunting with time as a scarce resource for history teachers #sschat
    In reply to @dankrutka
  • Mrneilhistory Mar 19 @ 7:10 PM EDT
    Welcome Nicole! #sschat
    In reply to @NicoleKaneEdu
  • newnanhshistory Mar 19 @ 7:11 PM EDT
    A1: Focus on the experiences of the vets themselves and then relate that to the war and the 1960's as a whole. #sschat
  • Miss_Weeks19 Mar 19 @ 7:11 PM EDT
    Hello! I am an early childhood education major in central PA #sschat #SSMETHODS
  • NHTOYMc Mar 19 @ 7:11 PM EDT
    A1: I like to focus on the How and Why we were there and impacted the US. #sschat
    • BusbinsClassAHS Mar 19 @ 7:04 PM EDT
      We'll go ahead and get started...Q1: When teaching the Vietnam War, what do you focus on in your teaching? #sschat
  • drs116 Mar 19 @ 7:11 PM EDT
    As history, though, I liked Ss to see the war from different perspectives - US soldiers on front lines, Vietnamese people, US politicians, US command, etc. #sschat
    In reply to @BusbinsClassAHS
  • BusbinsClassAHS Mar 19 @ 7:11 PM EDT
    Question 2 coming up shortly... #sschat
  • classroomtools Mar 19 @ 7:11 PM EDT
    I found that allowing students to work individually or in small groups on different aspects of the war, then sharing their product with the whole class, helped a lot. #sschat
    In reply to @BusbinsClassAHS, @dankrutka
  • vicpasquantonio Mar 19 @ 7:12 PM EDT
    A1 I know we say to make history relevant and pull in current events. I'm not sure it gets more real than @johnsonmaryj's example of Agent Orange. I think Ss would want to learn about this. Sense of empathy is strong @BusbinsClassAHS #sschat
  • EDSITEment Mar 19 @ 7:12 PM EDT
    Who Fought in the #VietnamWar_ All Sides https://t.co/zCduApFQa8 #sschat
  • drs116 Mar 19 @ 7:12 PM EDT
    Ss really liked HBO's "Dear America: Letters Home from Vietnam" #sschat
    In reply to @BusbinsClassAHS
  • Chucktaft Mar 19 @ 7:13 PM EDT
    A1 #sschat to try to keep that legacy local, we begin and end with the picture and story of Jack Smith - an alum that was lost on the conflict - and we visit his name when we go to DC - that offers relevance right away https://t.co/XVS83aIQAR
  • jcaseydesign Mar 19 @ 7:13 PM EDT
    Good evening! I don't teach tonight's topic, so I'll be listening more than talking. Eager to learn. #sschat
  • Miss_Rosengrant Mar 19 @ 7:13 PM EDT
    Not having taught yet I do not have the pervious experience, but I agree with your point of getting all the details right and including different perspectives. Teaching perspectives can incorporate social and emotional development as well as empathy. #sschat #SSMETHODS
    In reply to @dankrutka
  • Miss_Weeks19 Mar 19 @ 7:13 PM EDT
    A1: I believe it is important to teach multiple perspectives from the war so students can see different view points #sschat
  • dwsteven Mar 19 @ 7:13 PM EDT
    I haven't had the opportunity to teach Vietnam from a more home based perspective, but oh the potential it has for an incredible exploration of the American culture of the era. #sschat
    In reply to @Chucktaft
  • classroomtools Mar 19 @ 7:13 PM EDT
    Hi Jennifer! #sschat
    In reply to @jcaseydesign
  • BusbinsClassAHS Mar 19 @ 7:13 PM EDT
    Great point. It also shows a war, for many, is never over #sschat
    In reply to @vicpasquantonio, @johnsonmaryj
  • drs116 Mar 19 @ 7:14 PM EDT
    Plenty of resources available to differentiate & allow Ss to explore areas of interest #sschat
    In reply to @BusbinsClassAHS
  • johnmayo Mar 19 @ 7:14 PM EDT
    #sschat John in Charlottesville , lurking tonight.
  • classroomtools Mar 19 @ 7:14 PM EDT
    You can say that again. I was a junior at the university in 1968. What a year! #sschat
    In reply to @dwsteven, @Chucktaft
  • BusbinsClassAHS Mar 19 @ 7:14 PM EDT
    Glad you brought up Wall of Faces. A very powerful tool for all teachers to connect students to fallen members of their school, community, etc. #sschat
    In reply to @Chucktaft
  • BusbinsClassAHS Mar 19 @ 7:14 PM EDT
    Question 2: What component of the #VietnamWar is most difficult to teacher or for students to understand? #sschat
  • NickLawrenceJC Mar 19 @ 7:14 PM EDT
    A1 When teaching Vietnam , I like to bring in the human stories. I had a vet on staff talk to my classes and we'd also try to step back and connect proxy war/conflict to current events #sschat
  • DocsTeach Mar 19 @ 7:15 PM EDT
    Hundreds of primary sources from our Vietnam War exhibit at the @USNatArchives, plus several new teaching activities -- all on our Vietnam War topic page: https://t.co/DKlKq2ecgI #sschat
  • HHS_Grillot Mar 19 @ 7:15 PM EDT
    A1: I begin with a short timeline of events from 1945-1960 to show the students that the war didn’t just happen. French involvement predated US involvement.#sschat
    In reply to @MrsRBGriffith, @jeannietimken
  • EDSITEment Mar 19 @ 7:15 PM EDT
    A Great Way to Build Empany Doing Oral History with Vietnam Veterans https://t.co/yDRt6rlvLR #sschat
  • classroomtools Mar 19 @ 7:15 PM EDT
    A2 Probably the politics, both in Washington and in Vietnam. #sschat
  • dwsteven Mar 19 @ 7:15 PM EDT
    Oh this is an awesome resource! #sschat
  • CAsocialstudies Mar 19 @ 7:16 PM EDT
    So thrilled to be hosting a #cuerockstar History Teacher day with these awesome #casocstudies Ts at #ccss18. Last minute sign ups - go here: https://t.co/7NOHScd2E8 #sschat #WeAreCUE
  • BusbinsClassAHS Mar 19 @ 7:16 PM EDT
    Great point about teaching students about proxy wars and their role in the Cold War-help students understand that Cold War was "hot" for many people #sschat
    • NickLawrenceJC Mar 19 @ 7:14 PM EDT
      A1 When teaching Vietnam , I like to bring in the human stories. I had a vet on staff talk to my classes and we'd also try to step back and connect proxy war/conflict to current events #sschat
  • MsTurner1027 Mar 19 @ 7:17 PM EDT
    A2: I think the justification for the war on the United States’ side, as well as use of chemical weapons on civilians #sschat
  • Mrneilhistory Mar 19 @ 7:17 PM EDT
    Hey Jennifer! I'm listening tonight more too! #sschat
    In reply to @jcaseydesign
  • NHTOYMc Mar 19 @ 7:17 PM EDT
    A2: The “how” from the French to the US involvement is complicated. But just as complicated are the multitudes of changing views toward the war in the US. #sschat
  • madmanjesse744 Mar 19 @ 7:17 PM EDT
    #sschat for me the most intimidating aspect of teaching the Vietnam war is showing students how brutal the war really was
    In reply to @BusbinsClassAHS
  • Miss_Weeks19 Mar 19 @ 7:17 PM EDT
    A2: I think students have a hard time grasping why we (the US) were fighting in the war. #sschat
  • Chucktaft Mar 19 @ 7:17 PM EDT
    We could teach an entire semester on 1968, using all of the TLAH avenues - cause and effect, turning points, change and continuity, through their eyes, using the past - all with primary sources (especially news footage and music!) #sschat
    In reply to @classroomtools, @dwsteven
  • newnanhshistory Mar 19 @ 7:17 PM EDT
    A2: I don't think it is a component of the war, but I struggle to get them to think & ask good questions...that is always a struggle... #sschat
  • Mrneilhistory Mar 19 @ 7:17 PM EDT
    Hey Miss Weeks! Welcome! #sschat
    In reply to @Miss_Weeks19
  • highleyjane Mar 19 @ 7:18 PM EDT
    A2 - US gov supporting a corrupt gov in Vietnam; policy vs. practice; theory vs. reality; cold war policies with USSR didn't apply to cold war policies in Vietnam #sschat
  • thewarsnak Mar 19 @ 7:18 PM EDT
    A2: In this subject & others it seems to be a struggle for students accept failure of US policy. They want the US to be 'right' & keep trying to justify all actions as OK. #sschat
  • NicoleKaneEdu Mar 19 @ 7:18 PM EDT
    #sschat A1: During my time at @EtownCollege, Kim Phuc, also known as "The Girl in the Picture" came to my school and spoke. I have read her book as well. With that said, I would teach about her and how the war affected women and children, the common people, not just soldiers
  • historycomics Mar 19 @ 7:18 PM EDT
    A2 the hubris - why would the US get involved in such a complicated place after what happened to the French? Why did we stay so long? How did we lose if we didn’t lose? Why so many rules stopping a “real” war from happening - why not just use all our weapons, etc #sschat
  • BusbinsClassAHS Mar 19 @ 7:18 PM EDT
    Agreed! Students struggle to see how politics could lead to such devastation decisions despite evidence to stop/get out-bringing in domestic political forces is a must ("Another China" "McCarthyism" etc.) #sschat
    In reply to @classroomtools
  • HHS_Grillot Mar 19 @ 7:19 PM EDT
    A2: I think that the whole Cold War binary is difficult - how foreign policy was shaped using containment/domino theories and how what happened in Asia could/should/would impact the US. Going back to review the 1890’s Imperialism unit helps a bit. #sschat
    In reply to @BusbinsClassAHS
  • BusbinsClassAHS Mar 19 @ 7:19 PM EDT
    Right-it is not like Pearl Harbor for WWII or the clear-cut progression of events for WWI. Causes covers essentially 4 presidencies (if not 5) #sschat
    In reply to @Miss_Weeks19
  • Chucktaft Mar 19 @ 7:19 PM EDT
    A2 #sschat the nuances of where this fits in the geopolitics of the time ... and that it can be traced back to before WWI and after the fall of Saigon - not as clear cut as many Ss would like (which makes it even more fascinating)
  • EDSITEment Mar 19 @ 7:20 PM EDT
    Very important topic leadership and decision making in Vietnam War covers 4 presidents https://t.co/friCccI6VZ #sschat
  • joekrulder Mar 19 @ 7:20 PM EDT
    #sschat A2 - I think issues of race and class distinction are difficult to teach, but provide the opportunity to understand how deeply these two factors continue to remain embedded in American institutions.
  • WebArchivist Mar 19 @ 7:20 PM EDT
    Local repositories often have oral history programs too, so it may be worthwhile to check your state archives, nearby university libraries, or public libraries for materials. #sschat
    In reply to @johnsonmaryj, @librarycongress
  • GeoJo22 Mar 19 @ 7:20 PM EDT
    A2. The "why", I think. Considering the lives lost on all sides and the unsatisfying ending, they ask that question. #sschat
  • classroomtools Mar 19 @ 7:20 PM EDT
    Hot, yes; and not just in places like Southeast Asia (Laos and Cambodia in addition to Vietnam). We had a mini war at UC Santa Barbara in 1970 after the Kent State massacre. https://t.co/D3ONPUv33d #sschat
    In reply to @BusbinsClassAHS
  • NickLawrenceJC Mar 19 @ 7:20 PM EDT
    A2 My middle school Ss always struggled with grasping how messy both capitalism and communism are in practice, not to mention how those are related to two super powers duking it out over the differences. #sschat
  • Meg_Gianetti Mar 19 @ 7:21 PM EDT
    #sschat teaching @ any war is difficult. Vietnam might lead to disc. @ contemporary conflict
  • Miss_Rosengrant Mar 19 @ 7:21 PM EDT
    Planning to teach the elementary level, not quite sure if I will teach Vietnam War, but know I will have to explain war to my students. I’m unsure of how to justify war to younger students who only see good in the world. #sschat #SSMETHODS
    In reply to @MsTurner1027
  • BusbinsClassAHS Mar 19 @ 7:21 PM EDT
    "Embers of War" is great read for those needing some more context to causes of US involvement in Truman-Eisenhower years https://t.co/aABi2la1u9 #sschat
  • dwsteven Mar 19 @ 7:21 PM EDT
    A2: Students have often been taught a rather sanitized, nationalistic history. Teaching US foreign policy warts & all is difficult for students and teachers. #sschat
  • MsBuell Mar 19 @ 7:21 PM EDT
    Jumping in late tonight. I teach thematically so hit Vietnam War 4x from different lens. For A2 the one that is the hardest for Ss is understanding the foreign policy goals; the 2nd hardest is MLK's vocal opposition. Both don't fit the typical narratives Ss are used to #sschat
  • EDSITEment Mar 19 @ 7:21 PM EDT
    War at Home- All Sides https://t.co/5HvSNBOutw #sschat
  • NicoleKaneEdu Mar 19 @ 7:22 PM EDT
    A2: The most difficult part to teach would be the brutality of the war, thinking about our younger students. If I teach about Kim Phuc, I would have to be careful showing pictures because of the burns she got from the napalm. #sschat
  • vicpasquantonio Mar 19 @ 7:22 PM EDT
    Nice! I thought Ken Burns' doc did a great job with this. It was actually mesmerizing #sschat
    In reply to @HHS_Grillot, @MrsRBGriffith, @jeannietimken
  • Mrneilhistory Mar 19 @ 7:22 PM EDT
    Pro Tip for all the #sschat newbies and especially pre-service teachers in the chat tonight. Follow the guest moderator @BusbinsClassAHS and all of the #sschat leaders @CHitch94 @dankrutka @flipping_A_tchr @MsHolmesTeach @42ThinkDeep and all the other awesome humans in the chat!
  • Miss_Hansell Mar 19 @ 7:22 PM EDT
    A2: I think understanding that the US did some really horrific things can be hard for students to grasp, specifically when it comes to civilians. The image of Kim Phuc is always one that sticks out to me. #sschat #SSEDMETHODS
  • BusbinsClassAHS Mar 19 @ 7:22 PM EDT
    I think students often get hung up on the economic definitions and not as much as the other values these systems represented during the period-to them, the economic differences make justifying hostility difficult #sschat
    In reply to @NickLawrenceJC
  • classroomtools Mar 19 @ 7:22 PM EDT
    Then of course, there was My Lai. #sschat
    In reply to @Miss_Hansell
  • MrsRBGriffith Mar 19 @ 7:23 PM EDT
    Q2 #sschat Different aspects of the war are difficult for students - Understanding that the war had roots going back to French Indochina; the use of such violence (My Lai); how/why attitudes toward the war changed over time; the foreign policy aspects #NCHCchat @jeannietimken
  • dmfouts Mar 19 @ 7:23 PM EDT
    A2 When I taught American studies, we would pose the question --Was Vietnam a just war? Ss would compare Vietnam to WWI and WWII, and even Civil War and Revolutionary War. Answering this question was difficult-- so many angles #sschat
  • CHitch94 - Moderator Mar 19 @ 7:23 PM EDT
    A2) I think that it's hard for Ss to understand the different groups/governments involved and how/why the U.S. supported groups just b/c they were anti-communist even though had other issues. #sschat
  • BusbinsClassAHS Mar 19 @ 7:24 PM EDT
    Also, to show impact at home of these revelations, super-important to build up how much Americans trusted their gov't, military, etc. prior to the war #sschat
    • Miss_Hansell Mar 19 @ 7:22 PM EDT
      A2: I think understanding that the US did some really horrific things can be hard for students to grasp, specifically when it comes to civilians. The image of Kim Phuc is always one that sticks out to me. #sschat #SSEDMETHODS
  • HHS_Grillot Mar 19 @ 7:24 PM EDT
    #sschat this might help our Ss with our Vietnam discussion!
  • dwsteven Mar 19 @ 7:24 PM EDT
    It's a struggle for anyone. Pure communism & pure capitalism are both figments of imagination, yet both have the staunchest of supporters who claim superiority without acknowledging the elements of limitations & benefits of either. #sschat
    • NickLawrenceJC Mar 19 @ 7:20 PM EDT
      A2 My middle school Ss always struggled with grasping how messy both capitalism and communism are in practice, not to mention how those are related to two super powers duking it out over the differences. #sschat
  • classroomtools Mar 19 @ 7:25 PM EDT
    A2 Also hard for students to imagine the level of violence. We (the US) dropped more in tonnage of bombs during Vietnam, than all of the WWII combatants combined. #sschat
    In reply to @MrsRBGriffith, @jeannietimken
  • highleyjane Mar 19 @ 7:25 PM EDT
    A2 - it's not my job as a teacher to be a cheerleader of US History, including Vietnam. I'm a patriot, yes, but doesn't mean I have the luxury to neglect the decisions made. #sschat
  • BusbinsClassAHS Mar 19 @ 7:25 PM EDT
    Teachers must balance how much to introduce in limited time-do you discuss Laos & Pathet Lao, Cambodia & Khmer Rouge? Must give considerable consideration to unit framework #sschat
    • CHitch94 - Moderator Mar 19 @ 7:23 PM EDT
      A2) I think that it's hard for Ss to understand the different groups/governments involved and how/why the U.S. supported groups just b/c they were anti-communist even though had other issues. #sschat
  • classroomtools Mar 19 @ 7:25 PM EDT
    It has always been quite simple for me, there was no justice in what we did in Vietnam. #sschat
    In reply to @dmfouts
  • BusbinsClassAHS Mar 19 @ 7:25 PM EDT
    Q3 coming up in a minute... #sschat
  • Mrneilhistory Mar 19 @ 7:26 PM EDT
    Yes really difficult. #sschat
    In reply to @CHitch94
  • johnsonmaryj Mar 19 @ 7:26 PM EDT
    Another acquaintance of mine (ex-CIA) died several years ago from various cancers due to exposure to Agent Orange. He told me when he was in Vietnam, soldiers took showers in the big barrels emptied of AO. #sschat
    In reply to @vicpasquantonio, @BusbinsClassAHS
  • joetabhistory Mar 19 @ 7:27 PM EDT
    Would you convey that to your students? #sschat
    In reply to @classroomtools, @dmfouts
  • BusbinsClassAHS Mar 19 @ 7:27 PM EDT
    Q3: How do you approach the diversity and complexity of the anti-war movement? #sschat
  • vicpasquantonio Mar 19 @ 7:27 PM EDT
    A2 I'd say one of the hardest parts about teaching Vietnam is remembering that many of the people the War still affects are in fact still alive...grandparents living in Vietnam, the U.S. and many countries. Sometimes easier to understand events as 'past history' #sschat
  • BusbinsClassAHS Mar 19 @ 7:27 PM EDT
    When discussing tonnage of bombing, may wish to compare in size North & South Vietnam to a region in US to help students understand impact #sschat
    • classroomtools Mar 19 @ 7:25 PM EDT
      A2 Also hard for students to imagine the level of violence. We (the US) dropped more in tonnage of bombs during Vietnam, than all of the WWII combatants combined. #sschat
      In reply to @MrsRBGriffith, @jeannietimken
  • classroomtools Mar 19 @ 7:28 PM EDT
    We used to have great discussions about the difference between patriotism and jingoism. To those who argue, "My country right or wrong." I countered, "My country right or wrong; when right to be kept right, when wrong to be put right." #sschat
    In reply to @highleyjane
  • NHTOYMc Mar 19 @ 7:29 PM EDT
    A3: I think it is important to show it as it was through music, images, speeches, etc. #sschat
  • jgmac1106 Mar 19 @ 7:29 PM EDT
    Agree. If we stuck to American principles we would have been fighting for self-determination. Instead we reflected some of our darkest history. #sschat
    In reply to @classroomtools, @dmfouts
  • Historywmoses Mar 19 @ 7:29 PM EDT
    I missed the first couple of questions, but I’m going to pop in now. Michelle from Yorktown, va. I teach 7th grade us history. #sschat
  • jgmac1106 Mar 19 @ 7:30 PM EDT
    Celebrate the diversity and explore the complexity. #sschat
  • BusbinsClassAHS Mar 19 @ 7:30 PM EDT
    Bringing in the Hard Hat Riots also helps show that, in some cases, there was a very loud pro-war element too https://t.co/oDsnwcS4Zw #sschat
  • classroomtools Mar 19 @ 7:30 PM EDT
    Yes, of course; but they were free to challenge me as long as they could support any assertions they made with verifiable evidence. I encouraged them to do the same for me. #sschat
    In reply to @joetabhistory, @dmfouts
  • thewarsnak Mar 19 @ 7:30 PM EDT
    A3: This is where stories, writings & reflections can be very useful and powerful. Students analyzing these and discussing the anti-war movement means the arguments are stronger than reading in a textbook or hearing in a lecture. #sschat
  • joekrulder Mar 19 @ 7:30 PM EDT
    #sschat A3 - I often start with the Free Speech protest at UC Berkeley, Mario Savio and other student leaders ala 1964. Film especially to show how clean cut everybody was. Not all hippies and dope.
  • BusbinsClassAHS Mar 19 @ 7:31 PM EDT
    We're on Q3 about the anti-war movement. Glad you could join us. #sschat
    In reply to @Historywmoses
  • CHitch94 - Moderator Mar 19 @ 7:31 PM EDT
    I think Michael Herr's Dispatches and Wallace Terry's Bloods have some powerful stories that can be used to illustrate these issues. #sschat
    • joekrulder Mar 19 @ 7:20 PM EDT
      #sschat A2 - I think issues of race and class distinction are difficult to teach, but provide the opportunity to understand how deeply these two factors continue to remain embedded in American institutions.
  • highleyjane Mar 19 @ 7:31 PM EDT
    A3 - Acknowledge it head-on. I hope you guys can provide lots of good primary sources to help Ss make sense of justifying the anti-war / counterculture movement to 8th graders. But I do make it very clear that the anti-war movement was extremely significant. #sschat
  • MsTurner1027 Mar 19 @ 7:31 PM EDT
    A3: I try to approach it various primary and secondary sources that create a discussion and allow students to see it from multiple angles #sschat
  • BusbinsClassAHS Mar 19 @ 7:31 PM EDT
  • Miss_Weeks19 Mar 19 @ 7:32 PM EDT
    Q3: I always think political cartoons are always a great place to start with students when looking at those against the war. #sschat
  • HHS_Grillot Mar 19 @ 7:32 PM EDT
    A2: I teach it as part of a broader “rights” movement push in the “long 60’s” (1960-74). African American civil rights, women’s rights, war protests, farm workers, native Americans, etc. Marginalized voices straining to be heard - many people questioned the Gov. #sschat
    In reply to @BusbinsClassAHS
  • classroomtools Mar 19 @ 7:32 PM EDT
    Especially prior to 1968. #sschat
  • Mrneilhistory Mar 19 @ 7:32 PM EDT
    Teaching war is difficult. Teaching the Vietnam war is especially difficult for many reasons, some of which are: the reasons we got involved, what happened during the war, and the visuals that are available (deciding what is and isn't appropriate for kids). #sschat
  • jgmac1106 Mar 19 @ 7:32 PM EDT
    We all know you have to start with the music. Plus you can do comparative studies to rebel and resistance music #sschat
  • BusbinsClassAHS Mar 19 @ 7:32 PM EDT
    For those wanting to bring music in w/ teaching the Vietnam War, a really cool interactive music-timeline https://t.co/LKVC9OTzgR #sschat
  • GeoJo22 Mar 19 @ 7:32 PM EDT
    A3 Oh gosh, the anti-war protests are almost a whole separate topic on its own. #sschat
  • vicpasquantonio Mar 19 @ 7:32 PM EDT
    You got me thinking on this one ...some explanation of economic systems is necessary, right? Also idea of econ-political system being interconnected #sschat
    In reply to @dwsteven
  • NicoleKaneEdu Mar 19 @ 7:32 PM EDT
    With any anti-war movement, protest, etc. you need to make sure students know the reasoning behind why they are against the or movement they are protesting. Civil Rights Movement, Women's Rights, etc. We need to prove that our voices can be heard #SSEDMETHODS #sschat
  • scottmpetri Mar 19 @ 7:32 PM EDT
    A4 @CHSSP_SO publishes The Source which had a great Vietnam issue written by teachers. https://t.co/2QbkPIM4Yr #sschat #casocstudies
  • BusbinsClassAHS Mar 19 @ 7:33 PM EDT
    Awesome! Students must recognize anti-war movement didn't happen in a vacuum of societal change...must see other ways society was shifting #sschat
    • HHS_Grillot Mar 19 @ 7:32 PM EDT
      A2: I teach it as part of a broader “rights” movement push in the “long 60’s” (1960-74). African American civil rights, women’s rights, war protests, farm workers, native Americans, etc. Marginalized voices straining to be heard - many people questioned the Gov. #sschat
      In reply to @BusbinsClassAHS
  • MsBuell Mar 19 @ 7:33 PM EDT
    In USII =1 theme ea term: 1 immigration, 2 foreign policy, 3 economics & social class, 4 power. Vietnam is taught as 1 push factor, 2 Cold War containment, 3 draft and ERA failure, and 4 protest movements and Pentagon Papers/power of press. Vietnam one of few topics a 4X #sschat
    In reply to @BusbinsClassAHS
  • classroomtools Mar 19 @ 7:33 PM EDT
    A3 I don't think it is possible to understand American political history from 1968 on without understanding the anti-war movement. #sschat
  • WebArchivist Mar 19 @ 7:33 PM EDT
    Since I can't add much to the teaching discussion, I may just throw some resources up in the chat. They'll likely be fairly NC related, but I'll take a look at other states as well. #sschat
  • dmfouts Mar 19 @ 7:34 PM EDT
    A3 A great question to unveil the complexity of the anti-war movement was: What is patriotism?-- Obedience to the state no matter what it wants you to do? Loyalty to individual conscience and free expression? great discussions.. #sschat
  • dwsteven Mar 19 @ 7:34 PM EDT
    A3: One of the important elements of any protest movement in US History is acknowledging the wings which played off one another. While some are championed (nonviolent) others are demonized (Black Panther Party), yet both were necessary for pushing the movement forward. #sschat
  • johnsonmaryj Mar 19 @ 7:34 PM EDT
    Might be interesting for students to compare protest images such as the one from 1971 below with Parkland student protests today. #sschat https://t.co/agA5fHvwpV
  • Historywmoses Mar 19 @ 7:34 PM EDT
    So cool! This would be an amazing primary source “text” set... you have me thinking! #sschat
    In reply to @BusbinsClassAHS
  • historycomics Mar 19 @ 7:35 PM EDT
    Speaking of the music - great book #sschat
  • WebArchivist Mar 19 @ 7:35 PM EDT
    Veterans Oral History Collection (North Carolina Digital Collections): https://t.co/LHcRpp2Cqk #sschat
  • Miss_Rosengrant Mar 19 @ 7:35 PM EDT
    A3: Allowing for open discussion supported with historical context in the classroom could be a method for analyzing diversity and anti-war movements. Allow students to form their own opinions and listening to their peers opinions creates a classroom climate for learning. #sschat
  • MrsRBGriffith Mar 19 @ 7:35 PM EDT
    Q3 #sschat I use primary source materials from sites such as @Gilder_Lehrman @SHEG_Stanford and @NewseumED - Explore newspapers for example - Also use video clips from the era #NHCSchat @jeannietimken
  • jgmac1106 Mar 19 @ 7:35 PM EDT
    A3 Why not a simulation using a fake alien race and have it come out where one group sees someone as a terrorist and another sees them as freedom fighters and it turns out to be the same aliens? #sschat
  • musicsocstudies Mar 19 @ 7:35 PM EDT
    David, a HS music teacher from SC, arriving late. I use music to teach many social studies topics in my music appreciation class. #sschat
  • BusbinsClassAHS Mar 19 @ 7:35 PM EDT
    Great point! Could use Parkland protests as a "grabber" or to provide a current event stimulus to guide discussion #sschat
  • CHitch94 - Moderator Mar 19 @ 7:35 PM EDT
    NPR had a really powerful story about the My Lai trial and reactions to it, especially with regards to Lt. Calley and support for him. https://t.co/eh6cgNuMRN #sschat
    In reply to @classroomtools, @Miss_Hansell
  • newnanhshistory Mar 19 @ 7:35 PM EDT
    A3: I agree with the rights movement push but I also connect the protest mov to the draft and its impact and implications. #sschat
  • dwsteven Mar 19 @ 7:36 PM EDT
    Context! Context! Context! So important for students to see history as a woven thread, elements of what happened before tied to what happened after, even if at cursory glance seemingly unconnected. #sschat
    • BusbinsClassAHS Mar 19 @ 7:33 PM EDT
      Awesome! Students must recognize anti-war movement didn't happen in a vacuum of societal change...must see other ways society was shifting #sschat
      • HHS_Grillot Mar 19 @ 7:32 PM EDT
        A2: I teach it as part of a broader “rights” movement push in the “long 60’s” (1960-74). African American civil rights, women’s rights, war protests, farm workers, native Americans, etc. Marginalized voices straining to be heard - many people questioned the Gov. #sschat
        In reply to @BusbinsClassAHS
  • MsTurner1027 Mar 19 @ 7:36 PM EDT
    Yes! I was just talking with someone about making a modern day connection for them to compare and evaluate historical events! This is a good one! #sschat
    In reply to @johnsonmaryj
  • Mrneilhistory Mar 19 @ 7:36 PM EDT
    Thank you! #sschat
    In reply to @BusbinsClassAHS
  • historycomics Mar 19 @ 7:37 PM EDT
    Yep - and tie in @repjohnlewis and SNCC as well. We just talked about these connections when reading the @MARCHTrilogy #sschat
    In reply to @johnsonmaryj, @repjohnlewis, @MARCHTrilogy
  • musicsocstudies Mar 19 @ 7:37 PM EDT
    A1: We focus most on anti-war messages musicians conveyed through their music (especially song lyrics). #sschat
    • BusbinsClassAHS Mar 19 @ 7:04 PM EDT
      We'll go ahead and get started...Q1: When teaching the Vietnam War, what do you focus on in your teaching? #sschat
  • BusbinsClassAHS Mar 19 @ 7:37 PM EDT
    Question 4 coming up... #sschat
  • BusbinsClassAHS Mar 19 @ 7:38 PM EDT
    Students should not see the anti-war movement as one, but see for many different groups their motivations, strategies, etc.-compare/contrast, rank, spectrum, etc. #sschat
  • WebArchivist Mar 19 @ 7:38 PM EDT
    Search for "Vietnam war" in @ncdhc: https://t.co/VQmRpnrbN1 #sschat
  • highleyjane Mar 19 @ 7:39 PM EDT
    I'd recommend this book for the value of the policy perspective, of which there are many on Vietnam. But the author is leaving the White House, right? https://t.co/TuON6TXrcf #sschat
  • dwsteven Mar 19 @ 7:39 PM EDT
    Oh absolutely we need to help students understand economic systems. I love these little graphic novel books to help with understanding economic systems: https://t.co/u3WR8WH0Ll https://t.co/O2YwRQcIZ7 #sschat
    In reply to @vicpasquantonio
  • HHS_Grillot Mar 19 @ 7:39 PM EDT
    I also show clips from All in the Family for the Archie/Meathead debates! GenGap and Lib/Cons divide. So similar to social media smackdown we see today. #sschat
    In reply to @historycomics
  • BusbinsClassAHS Mar 19 @ 7:39 PM EDT
    Q4: How can educators engage their community in their classes' study of the Vietnam War #sschat
  • jgmac1106 Mar 19 @ 7:39 PM EDT
    At the same time you have many Vietnam veterans in your community. Make sure there voices aren't lost. #sschat
  • johnsonmaryj Mar 19 @ 7:39 PM EDT
    More protest pictures for #sschat consideration - https://t.co/VTXgtyQxDi
  • classroomtools Mar 19 @ 7:40 PM EDT
    At the time, the anti-war movement seemed to be one united effort to end the war. #sschat
    • BusbinsClassAHS Mar 19 @ 7:38 PM EDT
      Students should not see the anti-war movement as one, but see for many different groups their motivations, strategies, etc.-compare/contrast, rank, spectrum, etc. #sschat
  • GeoJo22 Mar 19 @ 7:40 PM EDT
    And the conflicts among them. #sschat
    In reply to @BusbinsClassAHS
  • musicsocstudies Mar 19 @ 7:40 PM EDT
    A3: Anti-war musicians' messages broke through regardless of race, & we highlight that fact in our class. From Edwin Starr and Jimi Hendrix to Neil Young and Pete Seeger, diversity is rampant. #sschat
  • jgmac1106 Mar 19 @ 7:40 PM EDT
    with a homophone mistake. What I get for trying to #sschat and get kids ready for bed
  • WebArchivist Mar 19 @ 7:41 PM EDT
    Search for "vietnam war" in @dpla: https://t.co/ihxSFVlNQQ - there's over 24,000 results, so you might want to limit by type of item, subject heading, or location. #sschat
  • classroomtools Mar 19 @ 7:41 PM EDT
    a4 Bring in Vietnam vets, pro and anti war supporters, etc. for class discussions. #sschat
    • BusbinsClassAHS Mar 19 @ 7:39 PM EDT
      Q4: How can educators engage their community in their classes' study of the Vietnam War #sschat
  • NHTOYMc Mar 19 @ 7:41 PM EDT
    A4: Having students conduct oral histories. Researching local activism. Make it local! #sschat
    • BusbinsClassAHS Mar 19 @ 7:39 PM EDT
      Q4: How can educators engage their community in their classes' study of the Vietnam War #sschat
  • caranowou Mar 19 @ 7:41 PM EDT
    Ken from Western Oregon Univ & Center for Geography Ed in Oregon. Looks like I've missed most of #sschat. Have been inundated w/ work today before leaving for spring break next week
  • historycomics Mar 19 @ 7:41 PM EDT
    This is awesome as well for Marxism and others - use it in my AP Euro class. @fredvanlente @RyanDunlavey #sschat
    In reply to @dwsteven, @vicpasquantonio, @fredvanlente, @RyanDunlavey
  • dwsteven Mar 19 @ 7:41 PM EDT
    A4 - Leveraging community connections to those who may have experienced Vietnam, or its impact at home would be great to bring into the classroom. Oral history, stories of community members would be great for students to engage. #sschat
    • BusbinsClassAHS Mar 19 @ 7:39 PM EDT
      Q4: How can educators engage their community in their classes' study of the Vietnam War #sschat
  • joekrulder Mar 19 @ 7:41 PM EDT
    #sschat A4 - this is an easy one for me. Here in NoCal we have a very large Hmong population. I've asked these students to podcasts. They came through! https://t.co/xrWWvuCREL
  • musicsocstudies Mar 19 @ 7:42 PM EDT
    A4: One assignment my students complete is to interview someone they know who lived in this era, to inquire about the music to which they listened at the time. #sschat
    • BusbinsClassAHS Mar 19 @ 7:39 PM EDT
      Q4: How can educators engage their community in their classes' study of the Vietnam War #sschat
  • scottmpetri Mar 19 @ 7:42 PM EDT
    The Draft Dodger episode should be mandatory classroom viewing. It is brilliant. #sschat
    In reply to @HHS_Grillot, @historycomics
  • Meg_Gianetti Mar 19 @ 7:42 PM EDT
    #sschat A3 Anti war protests happened w/o social media! Discuss how information spread.
  • jgmac1106 Mar 19 @ 7:42 PM EDT
    Hey Ken. Been running a big GIS institute in New Haven. Love data and geography. Glad you are joining us. #sschat
    In reply to @caranowou
  • Historywmoses Mar 19 @ 7:42 PM EDT
    A4- I have been throwing around the idea of having local vets come in for interviews for a while. Any suggestions on how to make that successful?#sschat
  • Chucktaft Mar 19 @ 7:42 PM EDT
    A4 #sschat absolutely oral history! Every community has so many resources - turn the Ss into historians!
  • Miss_Rosengrant Mar 19 @ 7:43 PM EDT
    A2: Planning to teach the elementary level, not quite sure if I will teach Vietnam War, but know I will have to explain war to my students. I’m unsure if my students will be able understand the justification of war. #sschat #SSMETHODS
  • HHS_Grillot Mar 19 @ 7:43 PM EDT
    A4: Living in a town with an old military fort, we have a local history museum and a vital veteran population. We also are trying to partner with our local Honor Flight group for welcome home parties at our airport. #sschat
    In reply to @BusbinsClassAHS
  • BusbinsClassAHS Mar 19 @ 7:43 PM EDT
    .@VVMF has a powerful project, Wall of Faces, in which you can research and learn about those who fell in your community, school, etc. https://t.co/cTMfPdRdLu #sschat
  • MsTurner1027 Mar 19 @ 7:43 PM EDT
    A4: invite guest speakers to talk about their experiences, have students create something like a website to educate the community or younger peers learn about the war and its impact on Foreign policy today. #sschat
  • MrsRBGriffith Mar 19 @ 7:43 PM EDT
    Q4 #sschat If you are lucky enough to find a Vietnam Vet that is willing to discuss his/her experiences, bring them in to the classroom and allow them to speak with students. Be mindful many Vets are still suffering PTSD when creating your environment #nchschat @jeannietimken
  • CHitch94 - Moderator Mar 19 @ 7:43 PM EDT
    A4) If there is a local university, they might have archives where they could pull materials and bring to/share with your classes. #sschat
  • highleyjane Mar 19 @ 7:44 PM EDT
    A4- Invite anyone who was involved to share experiences, emotions, etc. Anyone who can give "life" and "flesh" to what they're reading on the paper/screen. #sschat
  • classroomtools Mar 19 @ 7:44 PM EDT
    I listened to the UCSB campus radio station - lots of Simon and Garfunkle and the Beatles. In Vietnam, I listened to Armed Forces Radio. Great movie about that was Good Morning, Vietnam! with Robin Williams. #sschat
    • musicsocstudies Mar 19 @ 7:42 PM EDT
      A4: One assignment my students complete is to interview someone they know who lived in this era, to inquire about the music to which they listened at the time. #sschat
      • BusbinsClassAHS Mar 19 @ 7:39 PM EDT
        Q4: How can educators engage their community in their classes' study of the Vietnam War #sschat
  • BusbinsClassAHS Mar 19 @ 7:44 PM EDT
    Four years in, 276 interviews later-oral history interviews are by far my students favorite project...here is our "how-to" page from our project https://t.co/bwiLVMVE3P #sschat
  • caranowou Mar 19 @ 7:44 PM EDT
    A3 primary sources, bring in music, political cartoons, photos, etc. but most importantly make sure the voices of the traditionally marginalized groups get heard #sschat
  • MissJaroch Mar 19 @ 7:44 PM EDT
    This is a great idea... even comparing it to the photo I posted earlier this week for the walkout. Definitely makes the content relevant. #sschat #SSEDMETHODS
  • WebArchivist Mar 19 @ 7:44 PM EDT
    Evidently there's a collection at Texas Tech University: https://t.co/zNnSgMBbrR #sschat
  • NewsHourExtra Mar 19 @ 7:44 PM EDT
    This lesson looks at how the war 50 years later continues to affect young people: Children of Vietnamese refugees return home #sschat https://t.co/ZzinKRtody
  • Miss_Hansell Mar 19 @ 7:44 PM EDT
    A4: Guest speakers are always a great way to bring the community in. I would want to bring in speakers with varying perspectives and who played different parts in the war. #sschat #SSEDMETHODS
  • FordsEdu Mar 19 @ 7:45 PM EDT
    Stick around after #SSChat and learn more about Summer #ProfessionalDevelopment at Ford’s Theatre from teachers who have been through the programs. Use #FordsEdu to follow and join the Q&A. #TeachCivilWar #TeachReconstruction
  • BusbinsClassAHS Mar 19 @ 7:45 PM EDT
    Important to train your students in proper oral history technique and generate a question script. Open-ended questions are best in which they allow veteran to choose what to share #sschat
    • MrsRBGriffith Mar 19 @ 7:43 PM EDT
      Q4 #sschat If you are lucky enough to find a Vietnam Vet that is willing to discuss his/her experiences, bring them in to the classroom and allow them to speak with students. Be mindful many Vets are still suffering PTSD when creating your environment #nchschat @jeannietimken
  • classroomtools Mar 19 @ 7:45 PM EDT
    Not as many as you might think. Most US soldiers in Vietnam were not in combat, but served as support troops. #sschat
    • MrsRBGriffith Mar 19 @ 7:43 PM EDT
      Q4 #sschat If you are lucky enough to find a Vietnam Vet that is willing to discuss his/her experiences, bring them in to the classroom and allow them to speak with students. Be mindful many Vets are still suffering PTSD when creating your environment #nchschat @jeannietimken
  • newnanhshistory Mar 19 @ 7:45 PM EDT
    A4: History teachers should find ways to get involved in community. Get vets into the classroom to relate experiences to students. Primary sources #sschat
  • scottmpetri Mar 19 @ 7:45 PM EDT
    A4 I have done this project several times. https://t.co/HXuKZ8rK3l #sschat Get parent buy-in first.
  • jcaseydesign Mar 19 @ 7:46 PM EDT
    A3 I don't have an answer, but a question. I like to use children's picture books to reduce complexity. Any recommendations for Vietnam War? #sschat
  • NHTOYMc Mar 19 @ 7:46 PM EDT
    Gotta run! Thank you @BusbinsClassAHS #sschat
  • newnanhshistory Mar 19 @ 7:47 PM EDT
    There r plenty of VN vets that r willing to talk about their experiences- many have not spoken of it in so long, they will talk to students that want to hear. #sschat
  • MsBuell Mar 19 @ 7:47 PM EDT
    I have used lesson from @activehistory that asks students to consider Vietnam Protests as stalling the Civil Rights Movement; Ss view videos of news broadcasts, campaign speeches, MLK, Nixon #sschat
    In reply to @HHS_Grillot, @BusbinsClassAHS, @activehistory
  • WebArchivist Mar 19 @ 7:47 PM EDT
    There's a Vietnam War ephemera collection at University of Washington: https://t.co/9cPAlPnWpq #sschat
  • Chucktaft Mar 19 @ 7:47 PM EDT
    But if they served, they served - combat or not - and have a valuable perspective on the conflict and its legacy #sschat
    In reply to @classroomtools
  • BusbinsClassAHS Mar 19 @ 7:47 PM EDT
    W/ 50th anniversary of #VietnamWar, hosting a special veterans event, like a "Welcome Home" ceremony, can truly build positive relations w/ veteran community #sschat
  • MrsRBGriffith Mar 19 @ 7:47 PM EDT
    Q4 #sschat Have students interview Vets (neighbors, family, etc) and make a short video, collage, presentation, etc. of the information learned - Also, Honor vets in a school-wide Veterans Day celebration #NHCSchat @jeannietimken
  • highleyjane Mar 19 @ 7:48 PM EDT
    I showed this last year and it really helped humanize the war for my Ss. https://t.co/g6xLElbYHe #sschat
  • joekrulder Mar 19 @ 7:48 PM EDT
    #sschat A3 - here's a pic from Berkeley's 1964 Freedom of Speech movement. I begin here to show students that the anti-war movement had wide appeal, not just derelicts
  • classroomtools Mar 19 @ 7:48 PM EDT
    Personally, I'd be offended by that. #sschat
    • BusbinsClassAHS Mar 19 @ 7:47 PM EDT
      W/ 50th anniversary of #VietnamWar, hosting a special veterans event, like a "Welcome Home" ceremony, can truly build positive relations w/ veteran community #sschat
  • johnsonmaryj Mar 19 @ 7:48 PM EDT
    The @librarycongress Veterans History Project has excellent materials for students planning, conducting, & recording interviews with vets. https://t.co/qDY0WLvPsH #sschat
  • AndrewSharosAP Mar 19 @ 7:49 PM EDT
    A4 loved having our Vietnam speaker every year. It really helped open our kids eyes to the sacrifice and the stories were incredible. Lucky to preserve that history #sschat
  • CHSSP_SO Mar 19 @ 7:49 PM EDT
    #sschat - this #Vietnam unit also contains scores of primary sources from @librarycongress @USNatArchives and other terrific public institutions. All available for free download.
  • joekrulder Mar 19 @ 7:49 PM EDT
    #sschat, that's a terrific idea! I may have to charge into this.
  • BusbinsClassAHS Mar 19 @ 7:49 PM EDT
  • Chucktaft Mar 19 @ 7:50 PM EDT
    Gotta go a bit early #sschat - but wanted to share a couple of experiences I had a few years ago - one, at the tunnels of Cu Chi - https://t.co/Gk2VxC22hx
  • BusbinsClassAHS Mar 19 @ 7:50 PM EDT
    Q5 coming up in a quick minute... #sschat
  • vicpasquantonio Mar 19 @ 7:50 PM EDT
    I think @scottmpetri's point about parent buy-in is key, plus sometimes purpose of oral history projects/interviews (as opposed to traditional essay assignments) needs to be explained #sschat
    In reply to @BusbinsClassAHS, @scottmpetri
  • caranowou Mar 19 @ 7:50 PM EDT
    not a picture book, but a good graphic novel about a vientnamese-american's refugee experience following the war is "The Best We Could Do" https://t.co/hZj9vwwePC #sschat
    In reply to @jcaseydesign
  • BusbinsClassAHS Mar 19 @ 7:51 PM EDT
    Don't forget that Gold Star families have a story to tell as well as they wish to ensure their loved ones are not forgotten-they may even join you on a local cemetery walk #sschat
  • classroomtools Mar 19 @ 7:51 PM EDT
    I know there are vets who profoundly disagree with me, but the splits between pro and anti war vets and civilian groups are still alive and well. #sschat
    In reply to @MrsRBGriffith
  • Chucktaft Mar 19 @ 7:51 PM EDT
    #sschat and another, at the War Remnants Museum in Saigon - it's rare that we see the Vietnam conflict from the side of the Vietnamese (North and South) https://t.co/iwbmOv9RrP
  • joetabhistory Mar 19 @ 7:52 PM EDT
    Will you elaborate? #sschat
    In reply to @classroomtools
  • BusbinsClassAHS Mar 19 @ 7:52 PM EDT
    Q5...some resource sharing time: What resources do you find are helpful in teaching the Vietnam War? #sschat
  • Chucktaft Mar 19 @ 7:52 PM EDT
    #sschat If anyone can use some of the photos, feel free!
  • jgmac1106 Mar 19 @ 7:53 PM EDT
    And probably those groups share many common fissures in our current political landscape. I would just call it, a "50 Year Remembrance" and include all of the history. #sschat
    In reply to @classroomtools, @MrsRBGriffith
  • classroomtools Mar 19 @ 7:53 PM EDT
    Actually, I didn't mean to respond to your tweet, I think TweetDeck moved just before I clicked. I meant my reply to @BusbinsClassAHS comment about hosting a welcome back event. #sschat I totally support bringing vets and others into the classroom.
    • MrsRBGriffith Mar 19 @ 7:49 PM EDT
      Just speaking from personal experience with Vets I know......
      In reply to @classroomtools
  • HistoryWithMrsJ Mar 19 @ 7:53 PM EDT
    I just saw this chat and have been catching up on responses. Rutgers University in New Jersey has an extensive oral history archive on many wars/topics. A good resource and free https://t.co/hbrsTiR7TD #sschat
  • caranowou Mar 19 @ 7:53 PM EDT
    A5 Clearly the archives of this very chat!! I came late and can't keep up with all the great new resources I'm coming across :) #sschat
  • MsBuell Mar 19 @ 7:54 PM EDT
    Wow, Chuck...what an experience! You reminded me of this video and lesson I show Ss of their Vietnamese counterparts https://t.co/veMl1puYXB #sschat
  • classroomtools Mar 19 @ 7:55 PM EDT
    I think the entire endeavor in Vietnam was dishonorable. Not just geopolitically and morally, but even (maybe especially) the conduct I witnessed of most US troops towards the Vietnamese. It was the closest I can imagine coming to the treatment of slaves by whites. #sschat
  • AndrewSharosAP Mar 19 @ 7:55 PM EDT
    Just wanted to reach out to all my fellow social studies teachers in #sschat tonight to let you know about the inaugural #APTeach on 4/4/18. All inside and outside the AP community are welcome!
  • MsBuell Mar 19 @ 7:56 PM EDT
    I wish Bill @classroomtools would come to my class! #sschat
    In reply to @classroomtools, @BusbinsClassAHS, @classroomtools
  • classroomtools Mar 19 @ 7:56 PM EDT
    I definitely agree with that. #sschat
    • BusbinsClassAHS Mar 19 @ 7:54 PM EDT
      I understand. We are having that reaction by some currently. Yet, we also have over 200 coming to an upcoming event. I think the dichotomy of responses makes it so clear how complex the war is seen by those who fought it.
      In reply to @classroomtools
  • classroomtools Mar 19 @ 7:57 PM EDT
    It is not something worthy of honoring in anyway. #sschat
    • classroomtools Mar 19 @ 7:55 PM EDT
      I think the entire endeavor in Vietnam was dishonorable. Not just geopolitically and morally, but even (maybe especially) the conduct I witnessed of most US troops towards the Vietnamese. It was the closest I can imagine coming to the treatment of slaves by whites. #sschat
  • BusbinsClassAHS Mar 19 @ 7:57 PM EDT
    Try to collaborate w/ English teacher(s) at your school to coincide your teaching of the war along with Things They Carried #sschat
  • caranowou Mar 19 @ 7:57 PM EDT
    me, too!! For my university students, who are planning on being teachers!! #sschat
    In reply to @MsBuell, @classroomtools, @BusbinsClassAHS
  • mrchyr Mar 19 @ 7:57 PM EDT
    Please help bring my project to life: https://t.co/uWDkyQip4r via @donorschoose! You can double donations up to $50 w/ the promo code LIFTOFF for the next 3 days! #sschat #ecet2 #ecet2njpa #ecet2njpa #ssedchat #chromebooks #googleEDU #edtech #edtechchat #googleForEdu
  • vicpasquantonio Mar 19 @ 7:57 PM EDT
    A5 I gotta stress this one again, esp because it shows how this is still a problem and affects the v youngest. Students will want to know about this #sschat Agent Orange puts a new generation at risk in Vietnam https://t.co/ePl87CnhtS
  • dwsteven Mar 19 @ 7:57 PM EDT
    A5: Forrest Gump Soundtrack! #sschat https://t.co/6gLNyBQADI
    • BusbinsClassAHS Mar 19 @ 7:52 PM EDT
      Q5...some resource sharing time: What resources do you find are helpful in teaching the Vietnam War? #sschat
  • classroomtools Mar 19 @ 7:57 PM EDT
    I'd be happy to Skype in if you like. #sschat
  • BusbinsClassAHS Mar 19 @ 7:58 PM EDT
    Great list of books that one can reference...highly recommend using memoirs to teach the individual voice https://t.co/yIUzXz1bKQ #sschat
  • classroomtools Mar 19 @ 7:58 PM EDT
    I'd be happy to arrange a Skype session, Ken. #sschat
    In reply to @caranowou, @MsBuell, @BusbinsClassAHS
  • highleyjane Mar 19 @ 7:58 PM EDT
    I like discussing the controversy that went on after Maya Lin's design was chosen. https://t.co/lp87Mh0Gyx #sschat
  • WebArchivist Mar 19 @ 7:59 PM EDT
    There are a lot of other institutions with collections that I haven't mentioned, but hopefully that short list will give everyone a couple of new resources to look at. #sschat
  • BusbinsClassAHS Mar 19 @ 7:59 PM EDT
    Q6: Final question... what are the difficulties in teaching a war in which its meaning is still being debated? #sschat
  • johnsonmaryj Mar 19 @ 7:59 PM EDT
    I am so appreciative of Bill Chapman's @classroomtools contributions to tonight's #sschat. It's a reminder of the power of an eyewitness.
  • caranowou Mar 19 @ 7:59 PM EDT
    That would be great! We're coming to the end of a term & spring break next week, but I am going to make a note to myself to contact you about this. Thanks!! #sschat
    In reply to @classroomtools, @MsBuell, @BusbinsClassAHS
  • CHitch94 - Moderator Mar 19 @ 7:59 PM EDT
    A5) Lynda Vandevanter's Home Before Morning (memoir) was powerful in illustrating an American woman's view of & experiences in the war (nurse). #sschat
  • classroomtools Mar 19 @ 7:59 PM EDT
    The Academy Award winning documentary, Hearts and Minds. https://t.co/h2Yb2Y2B7Y #sschat
    • BusbinsClassAHS Mar 19 @ 7:52 PM EDT
      Q5...some resource sharing time: What resources do you find are helpful in teaching the Vietnam War? #sschat