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Allowing students to retake a slightly different test can encourage better studying in between tests. If they fail the first one they may be more motivated to study for the 2nd. #edchat
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+: Material is perceived as important to know for a lengthened amount of time
-: Material may seem like it was only needed to know for a certain about of time (until the test date) #edchat
I think a plus in retaking tests is getting a second chance, although life doesn't always offer that, things can happen/influence not doing great the first time. The most important thing is that the students understand the material. Not how many tries it takes to get it! #edchat
Great question. But should we also back up? Have we constructed a test worth taking? Are the Q. provocative? Have we, for example, used "backward design," and asked Q that give students an opportunity to reveal meaningful learning? Have learning goals been addressed? #edchat
Stephanie, here. Pluses include the fact that Ss can improve their knowledge on a subject and prove that knowledge through a retake. College and jobs don't always allow redos is the typical answer on the minuses, but I don't necessarily agree with that. #edchat
Its really about understanding and sometimes tests are not the best way to reflect knowledge. However, If the students are not putting the effort in then letting them retake the tests will not be truly benificial to the learning proccess.. #edchat
Kevin here a Teaching Principal with Irelands first and only School STEAM Room.We have become obsessed with testing and assessments.We are in danger of teaching to the test #edchat
As a test of learning, I think students retaking and improving on a test shows that they’ve “learned” the material (in quotes b/c there is a big difference between learning something and being able to pass a paper and pencil test). #edchat
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+: Learning for the tested subject is not over
+ : Showing the students empathy by realizing that "life happens"
+ : Shows students that you can control your outcomes by putting in the work (if they must earn a retake, which I believe that they should)
By offering a second chance, some students who struggle otherwise could learn more from taking it again. I believe, however, there should be strict guidelines like completing a review before taking the test again. #edchat
I also agree with having different versions of the test, if they have to redo, would be beneficial. So its more about knowing the material instead of just memorizing what was one the original #edchat
A1: The upsides of retaking a test is giving an opportunity to improve work and raise personal standards. Helping kids out is a plus, but acquiring the skill of always doing your best work is something they can hold on to for the rest of their lives. #edchat
Formative assessment is often in the form of quizzes during a study of a unit. The quiz should tell the teacher how effective the lesson is. Why penalize a student w/failing grade if lesson is bad? #Edchat
I love the idea of providing students with the opportunity to retake or retry standards, not assessments. The process should NEVER involve memorization of multiple choice answers. It should be authentic & demonstrate to the student measurable growth towards the standard. #edchat
A second chance can be very affective for some students. Should it be allowed for tests that effect the grade average? It depends on the students. Haveing a good relationship with them will be the best way to find the answer. #edchat
Q1,A2: The downside of letting students retake a test is a false idea of second chances always come. It it our job to prepare students for life and sadly, in the adult world second chances are not always given. #edchat
A test of Ss ability to regurgitate memorized facts is meaningless as an evaluation of learning. A test of Ss ability to apply knowledge and understanding can show what Ss have learned. What learning is the test/retest evaluating? #edchat
I agree, tests cannot always test knowledge completely. Some students know the information but in a test setting, they might freak out and not remember things. #edchat
If we consider formative tests as feedback for teachers too, then hopefully the test results will help teachers reteach, to do better. Also, if we decide to allow retakes, a powerful message is sent: "Excellence takes time." #edchat
Do your students look like this taking tests? Students bring a lot to the school that we don't know about! They should have the opportunity to retake tests! One test doesn't define the individual student! #edchat
Our end goal should be that students know what it is we are teaching. Maybe instead of re-testing, we let them prove mastery through an alternative method. #edchat
If a student needed to retake a test, I would question myself: Did I teach this in a way that this student could understand? What did I miss? This could lead to a conversation with the student about their learning style or if anything is up at home #edchat
I agree that test retakes can help build knowledge within students but it doesn’t necessarily prepare them for their career after school. In life there aren’t really any redos. #edchat
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allowing retakes could also maybe help those that struggle with tests and get nervous and forget the material. Practice makes perfect! Some could eventually get more comfortable with them and eventually get better test taking skills! #edchat
The option for students to retake a test could reduce the pressure and stress students experience on the first test. When students have a bad day or bad week, and ultimately a bad test . . . it won't destroy them. The negative side is that it's more work for the teacher #edchat
Another question this potentially brings up: Should all tests be in the grade book? Am I teaching to the test and not for the students to gain knowledge? Are the Ss excited to know their results or dreading the process of a test? #edchat
If Ss re-test AFTER re-teaching in order to show increased learning, then I think that is all a positive. If re-testing just to increase score w/out re-teaching, what is the point? #Edchat
Students can re-take ACT as many times as necessary to improve score. It does demonstrate the student has the willingness to improve. Does it really teach a skill though? #edchat
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An important Q is: what type of tests should be retaken? I'm not sure about the boundaries for answering the question I just raised??? Any ideas? #edchat
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I was wondering about your feelings/thoughts about keeping a paper gradebook in addition to an online program (like iNOW).
Feel free to comment in addition to voting in the poll below. #edchat
Is the ACT or SAT meant to teach a skill, though? Isn't it just an achievement test, whereas classroom assessments are meant to see understanding of skills? #Edchat
Are tests ALWAYS the "end-all" to the unit? I don't believe they should be in order to meet all S's learning styles. A retake could happen after knowledge gained at a later point in a unit. #edchat
and if formative assessment is used to look at a classroom? School? Clusters of schools? then hopefully it'll lead to decisions about changes, adjustments and so on that'll strengthen learning and enhance teaching... correct? #edchat
I think tests to show skill mastery should be re-taken, if the goal of our assessments is S learning. Why not allow Ss to retest if they have had another opportunity for learning after the initial assessment? #Edchat
True. Retaking the ACT could help teach grit to an extent. Classroom tests should be assessing skills/knowledge. However, I think it's important to change the assessment method instead of re-taking the exact same assessment. Otherwise we are teaching memorization. #edchat
Many students today do dread to process of testing, Shelby! Does a test really indicate the students knowledge? Test are necessary but I believe we are testing too much! #Edchat
Passing a test and gaining knowledge can be two different things. As a student, I made it through a few classes because I figured out how to pass the tests while all but clueless with the material. However, we do need a way to evaluate progress. #edchat
So @HarveyAlvy1@stephenkelley85 is the problem the test/assessent? Or what leads up to the test/assessment? Test/Assessment provides insight about what did / did not work... correct? If everything worked then test/assessment should indicate that's the case. #edchat@DavidGeurin
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There r a lot of issues here: 1. Every test (ideally) should benefit S. How can they learn from taking the test, and from the results? 2. The test should also be a fair assessment of the taught curr., so T find out what the S learned (to do better next time). 3. What else?#edchat
If we personalize and differentiate instruction for Ss, why do they all have to take the same test to "prove" their learning? Shouldn't tests cater to the needs of all learners and learning styles? #edchat
I completely agree! Of course it should not be the same assessment, and the re-teaching should not be the exact same methods/materials, either. #Edchat
Is the ACT or SAT meant to teach a skill, though? Isn't it just an achievement test, whereas classroom assessments are meant to see understanding of skills? #Edchat
#edchat but none of this will work unless #formative#feedback is recorded and noted. Information then needs to be passed on vertically and horizontally to all interested parties.
#edchat yes formative assessment - assessment for learning and assessment as learning are critical. Tests only provide small stagnant snippets of isolated knowledge
Yes, a key point. What other ways are we assessing student knowledge, and gaining feedback to teach more effectively? Other assessments? Presentations, oral discussions, debates, projects, working and showcase portfolios...#edchat
well... @shellforth@stephenkelley85@HarveyAlvy1 seems to me that putting pressure on performance on the test/assessment is misplaced. Better to focus on sequence of learning that leads up to the test/assessment. Most students and teachers know prior the outcome. #edchat
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In Band, I am fortunate because the students normally LOVE the "test" (the concert) because they get to take pride in the work they have done as an individual and as a group. How can we cultivate that in a normal classroom setting? #edchat
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Yes, a key purpose of testing should always be to provide feedback to improve student work and teacher performance. Interestingly, every time a student asks/answers a Q in class, we should view their response as an opportunity to fine-tune our teaching and the curr. #edchat
and if formative assessment is used to look at a classroom? School? Clusters of schools? then hopefully it'll lead to decisions about changes, adjustments and so on that'll strengthen learning and enhance teaching... correct? #edchat
First, we need to love our content! If we love our content, it tends to show. Ss don't want to be in class w/a T who "has" to teach this content but has no interest in it. #Edchat
In Band, I am fortunate because the students normally LOVE the "test" (the concert) because they get to take pride in the work they have done as an individual and as a group. How can we cultivate that in a normal classroom setting? #edchat
well... @shellforth@stephenkelley85@HarveyAlvy1 seems to me that putting pressure on performance on the test/assessment is misplaced. Better to focus on sequence of learning that leads up to the test/assessment. Most students and teachers know prior the outcome. #edchat
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I agree. I've known students who miserably fail a written examination but are able to talk about the same topic with impressive comprehension. A more personalized approach would be beneficial. #edchat
Grades based on tests are at best promises of potential, while portfolios are proven indications. Why not focus on portfolios as a opposed to tests for a more accurate assessment? #Edchat
Couldn't agree more. Bubble tests are a quick and easy way to see a few things about our teaching and learning, but they don't tell the whole story. If you want to watch your kids learn, take the grade aspect out and let them think. You'll get amazing results. #edchat
A major part of student retention is on the Ts excitement! that can get Ss excited and more into the topic thus more likely to remember and do better on whatever the form of assessment is #edchat
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Excellent insight. Ur point reinforces how holistic the teaching/learning process is. The teaching, testing, daily class events r all related as aspects of learning, building relationships. Our tests should reflect how we "conduct" our classes; S empowerment, for example. #edchat
So @HarveyAlvy1@stephenkelley85 is the problem the test/assessent? Or what leads up to the test/assessment? Test/Assessment provides insight about what did / did not work... correct? If everything worked then test/assessment should indicate that's the case. #edchat@DavidGeurin
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There are many ideas of assessment other than written. The question becomes, how many people are branching out and using these ideas? I like it when a student tells me how they should be assessed and we can agree that it will show mastery. #edchat
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The problem with personalized assessments is the time in order to administer many different assessments AND at the end of the year, Ss have 1 standardized assessment across districts/states. #Edchat
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How to say this delicately.....my district has *chosen* to administer more tests than the state requires for Ss, and now those scores are tied to merit pay for Ts. I think districts have strayed. #Edchat
I'm not sure how far I would go re: "all learning styles." Teachers are not superpersons, we do our best. But certainly your point makes a lot of sense, we need to be eclectic teachers, and use a variety of teaching techniques, and testing techniques. #edchat
If we personalize and differentiate instruction for Ss, why do they all have to take the same test to "prove" their learning? Shouldn't tests cater to the needs of all learners and learning styles? #edchat
It depends. In my intro music to class (i need for my major) we have tests that are based on listening ex. Listening to ex. of music from a time period and needing to know the terminology to describe it. But also know music calls for other types of assessments #edchat
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I teach ESOL, so I advocate for Ts to use oral exams when beneficial to assess Ss (or illustrations, hands-on, etc). I DO know, however, that GMAS is the same for all. My Ss can have the tests read aloud, but same tests. #Edchat
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Is the choice to do more and to tie to merit pay is simply their 'plan' to improve the state required test score....in the end doesn't it all come down to this? If the state test (and funding tied to it went away-would the other stuff?) #EdChat
You r right. We need to expand our definition of "testing" and "assessment." The bottom line is that BOTH S & T should learn from the experience. For teachers, test results should be examined so we can teach the material more effectively, and improve our skills each day. #edchat
#edchat yes formative assessment - assessment for learning and assessment as learning are critical. Tests only provide small stagnant snippets of isolated knowledge
I want to teach kids to be independent thinkers and people who do things of great value. My job is to help them become that. Assessments can help my teaching and student learning, but student designed assessments make a huge difference. Think outside the box. #edchat
I think that it is a large reason why students love music classes. One might think that their expectations for themselves may be lowered without testing, but from my experience, that is all determined by the Director's expectations and encouragement #edchat
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Grow PLN. Just followed you. While Principal, teachers and I taught together a lot. If I came in and lesson wasn't going well, I just came back when the teacher was ready. Purpose of evaluation is to improve, not prove. Test scores and teachers are NOT go-togethers. #edchat
Yes, the arts and sporting events have an advantage here. We can "see" and "hear" performance results. That is why traditional courses should use some of the assessment strategies from the arts and sports. #edchat
In Band, I am fortunate because the students normally LOVE the "test" (the concert) because they get to take pride in the work they have done as an individual and as a group. How can we cultivate that in a normal classroom setting? #edchat
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I agree Tom - different learning styles can be see throughout portfolios and allow the "outside the box" thinkers to showcase their mastery #Edchat#sbpdchat
#edchat we need to have a clear understanding of the differences between formative assessment and evaluation. Tests for grades are not formative assessment plus it is a huge challenge to create a test that allows for students to demonstrate rich knowledge and skills
For us it is all the state test. I give national norm-ref reading assessments that show growth but the # that goes on is state #. Of course a great # for HS below level readers.... #edchat
How could you make it fair for students who passed the initial test? The students retaking the test could end up with similar or even better scores than a student who worked really hard the first time. Would you want to give those who passed extra credit? #edchat
I let anyone retake. Why couldn't everyone earn a perfect score if your focus is actually on learning the content? Why does the time they learned it matter...if they did in fact learn it? #edchat
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so.over.testing. It doesn't help that I miss my classes for district tests...and make-up tests....and ACCESS tests.....and state tests.....and CogAT....and ITBS #Edchat
Yes. We've narrowed the curriculum to meet standardized test criteria. By only emphasizing math & ELA, we've minimized science, SS (civics and history) which is a problem. S need to distinguish between false narratives (fake news), & facts to be knowledgeable voters. #edchat
As a student, being able to retake tests and quizzes has helped me retain more information and understand the knowledge better. I think students should always be allowed to retake tests. #edchat
Yes. We've narrowed the curriculum to meet standardized test criteria. By only emphasizing math & ELA, we've minimized science, SS (civics and history) which is a problem. S need to distinguish between false narratives (fake news), & facts to be knowledgeable voters. #edchat
I don’t test in a traditional sense ... we write ... we discuss ... questions are asked ... responses are given ... keeps are learning and in many cases can describe what they learned by the activity they did. #edchat
When I think of all the money that is spent on testing, and then politicians say there isn't $$ for building improvements, more Ts, textbooks, blah, blah, blah. I think "that is such a lie"! #Edchat
Great work @disseler for your @EvangelUniv EDL757 video blog capitalizing on memes to explain personalized learning. Agreed: Have students set goals & use goal-setting conferences w/ feedback to allow them a path for the learning. #PersonalizedLearning#edchat
Merit pay? Research is very weak on supporting this. Most T r insulted by the notion that they will do better is they get "extra" pay. Some business leaders think this works. But the model mixes apples and oranges. Certainly hurts T who want more challenging experiences. #edchat
Is the choice to do more and to tie to merit pay is simply their 'plan' to improve the state required test score....in the end doesn't it all come down to this? If the state test (and funding tied to it went away-would the other stuff?) #EdChat
I was team teaching K-12 Reading, for Chapman Univ., Credential students. Dr. Hammer and I gave a lengthy essay test. All students missed a question. I said, "Jo Ann, we need to reteach this and give them all credit. We missed the question." Oh boy. A lot of commotion. #edchat
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