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Tonight we will be talking about the topic of "Assessment, Grading and Reporting - Tips, Tricks and Discussions!" We will be using the Q/A format as usual (Q1...A1....). Let's get started! #espechat
Q1) Assessment For Learning (AFL) vs. Assessment Of Learning (AOL). What’s the difference? What would be an example of each in your program? Shout out to @thephysicaleducator and #pechat for inspiring this Q. #espechat
Q1) Assessment For Learning (AFL) vs. Assessment Of Learning (AOL). What’s the difference? What would be an example of each in your program? Shout out to @thephysicaleducator and #pechat for inspiring this Q. #espechat
A1) AFL is more formal, mainly summative. AOL helps me to learn where to go, what to do next. Example of AFL: observation for student data checksheet; example of AOL: self/peer assessment using rubric at several points during the lesson or unit. #espechat
That is a great method to use in order to the students to really see where they currently are in terms of skill and can then can make a plan to improve #espechat
Q2) Peer assessments can be an effective use of your time as a teacher, as well as being beneficial for your students. Do you feel grading peer assessments for a summative assessment of learning is an appropriate practice? Why or why not? #espechat
Hey Ross! A1: AFL is more so for WHAT we need to learn to improve while AOL gives us the opportunity to do some assessment of WHAT we have done #espechat
Q2 - Bittersweet. I like peer assessment side by side with my assessment. Not only can you see how the Ss is doing, but u can see if the Ss assessing is understanding what the important cues and points in the skill are. #espechat. Also age appropriate can make diff.
A2) Some things may look correct to students that doesnt look correct to us. While beneficial for data on whether to repeat or advance a lesson, it may not be best for summative assessment. #espechat
A2) The problem would be the assessor...did they rush through it, did they understand the language, etc. IMO they should be used for informal assessing and not for a means of grading. #espechat
A2: Not really with my Ss; they have a tendency (some of them) to not assess properly for each other. I have to do it with one student who I trust with one I may not #espechat
A2 I used @phys_educator's mini-coaches to assess jump rope. It was used formatively so I could look at data and assess those who may need more help. I'm the teacher, so it should be my data used for the summative, but they can help me see where a student is. #espechat
A2) If I do a peer assessment, it is mostly for AFL/formative purposes for the reason most others have said...I can't truly justify a summative grade to a parent by saying it wasn't me that observed them... #espechat
I think of this often. I'm assessing a student's ability to assess. it can show if a student understands the components of a skill as an observer. #espechat
Q2 - I am all over the place w. it.. some nail it on the dot..some way off.. sme just scribble nething. I noticed a direct correlation w. the kids who misbehave tend to be way off bc they dont cre jst showin “busy time”. Ss who show passion and behave are spot on #espechat
A2. Peer assessment are important for feedback for student knowledge. You could use for assessment for summative if video assessed and if video matches your rubric. #espechat
Q3) In PE, assessing the psychomotor domain only favors the athletically gifted. How do you go about making sure the cognitive and affective domains are an equal part of the assessment of/for learning puzzle to ensure equity? #espechat
A3) I have a cognitive test/quiz that I use with my Ss to help determine their understanding on what they understand in order to help what they can perform. #espechat
A2: peer assessment is a process and when factoring it in to grading it could be an imperfect data point to use. Peers can be reluctant to be critical of one another. Better 4 learning to give proper feedback and getting S’s more feedback than as a true data point. #espechat
Q3 - cognitive is DOK Questions / Affective also and may use certain #plagnets with EMOJIS. Turn and talks. Fist to 5. Gets the kids socializing and. Cheering one another on all tie into affective #espechat
A3) Asking Qs, especially the HOW & WHY Qs; making all Ss think about the reason for PE & physical movement. PE isn't about being an athlete, so we should ask those thought provoking questions #espechat
I do 4th and up. I was doing 3rd grade and got too much flack for assessing the students this way. #espechat For younger students you can use different types of assessments (like plickers) to help make cognitive connections. Need lots of visuals though.
Q3) Participation, behavior (sportsmanship), written quizzes, and even class discussions can be a huge indicator for cognitive/affective domains. #espechat
A3. I don’t feel that Standard 1 favors athletic students. The standards are for all learners. It depends on approach. The key is to balance your teaching and create model for PL. We need educators to do better at mapping year plans and curriculum with looping model. #espechat
#espechat@Mr_C_PE I can't stick around for the entire chat. I am a firm believer that assessment drives instruction! Here is a blog article detailing how I use assessment as a motivator in PE! https://t.co/Gf4DACvG8c
As an athlete, I was not the most talented person. I needed to learn the content to be successful. Being a member of my basketball team was more from the time/work I put into the cognitive aspect than my natural talent. #espechat
A3) I think this is where #plagnets play a key role. You are able to assess the knowledge of something rather than the skill. I have also used cognitive tests for 3-5 students. #PhysicalLiteracy#espechat
#espechat (A3) I think you have to make sure you are that the rigor of your assessments allow multiple levels of grading. It will allow everyone to be engaged and allow challenge lower level learners to rise up or fall down. Everybody's a D1 player until they run into a D1 player
A3) Another example of assessing the affective domain via written work. "Expresses the enjoyment and/or challenge of participating in physical activity (S5.E2.5)" #espechat
A3 I wish I had more time/resources to tinker with @SeeSaw. I think it can definitely be used to help students video/explain for assessments of other standards. #espechat
A3) Another example of assessing the cognitive domain via written work. "Applies basic offensive and defensive strategies and tactics in invasion small-sided practice tasks. (S2.E5.5a)" #espechat
I like using @RArmstrongPE tweets and @instagram apps. It keeps the conversation personal better educator and students. While I like plagnets I feel the group mindset affects results. I #espechat
Q4) Does your district have a quota for the amount of grades that you as the PE teacher are required to have by the end of a given marking period? If so, what are your thoughts on this mandate in relation to your teaching philosophy? #espechat
A3) I like to have written assessments that coincide with the skills assessments so that it evens the playing field of the "gifted" and "not-so-gifted" students. #espechat
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A4) Ours does not. Unfortunately we still grade how we want, which has its positives and negatives. We are working towards standards-based grading. #espechat
I've done simple 1 word responses as young as 2nd Grade, but nothing lower than that for written work...takes too much time with the very little ones #espechat
A3: loving seesaw, use google forms, exit tickets, plagnets, cognitive assessments, also projects that display learning like creating dances or games. Lots of inquiry. #espechat
Q4) Unfortunately, I work at a charter school with no athletic department, so it's just me! Grading is entirely up to my discretion which sounds great but can be quite overwhelming! #espechat
#espechat A4- I think that PE should not have a required amount of grades. PE is a personal journey and teachers will be forced to give grades for the sake of meeting a quota. I think everyone should pass but the grade should be based off individualized progress NOT one scale
A4 funny you mention. Had this discussion the other day. District says 9 grades/9 weeks. Is this feasible in elem PE when you only see them 18x? Maybe only 16 with special events or snow days. I think not but need some minimum IMO. #espechat
Does weather/other things get in the way of providing at least 3? #espechat We sometimes have issues with weather and don't have as many assessments as I'd like.
Q5) For those of you that teach large class sizes (30+ Ss), what are some assessment tips/tricks/methods that you use to complete summative psychomotor assessments in a timely manner? #espechat
A4: grading is independent Want at least 4 data points per topic or unit but I have no guidelines or specific expectations. Not counting daily informal assessment of lessons and S progress. As we move to vertical articulation K-12 guidelines hopefully will be adopted . #espechat
What I been saying constantly to keep spirits up - do what you can, with what you have, where you are! Even a dead clock shows the correct time twice a day! #espechat
A4: I grade competencies (multiple skills set in a coordinates and specific task) ex.: Show me a Circus with two or three object and deplacement. I grade skill movement as well but less than competencies. I grade reflection and planning before and end of each unit. #espechat
I want to say I would like more structure, but I know as soon as that happens, I would be annoyed like "ugh quit telling me what to do!!!!" I agree with having more time, but that might result in having more students at a time! #espechat
That's the hard part, trying to get an assessment that doesn't take 3 weeks and is actually important. Wish we could demonstrate this need to admin to show the importance of having appropriate assessment tools for #physed#espechat
Circling/drawing pictures I have done with my K/1, which is def. cognitive. I guess when I was thinking "written" I made the assumption of writing words/sentences...that in my experience has NOT gone so well for the younger ones during our limited amount of time lol #espechat
The challenge is having the planning to work through the assignments and watch the video. I keep running out of memory lately on the old iPads. Also having each grade level do different types of assessments help. #espechat
A5) I describe several levels and then start observing. If I see you have it, then I give you a half cone and let you move to the next level. When I finish walking through the group I can see who needs more attention. This differentiation is a motivator! #espechat
A5 I don't have that many large classes, but stations are critical. Allows me to focus on a few students at a time. I also like to make one of the stations a written question station. #espechat
A5) I do a lot of pullout video assessment for my Ss. I pull a few kids to the assessment area at a time while the others are still involved in familiar warm ups at beginning of class. Then I can go back and watch the video as many times through as I need to grade #espechat
I use stations also. It makes life so much easier when I only have to worry about watching "X" number of kids for the next few minutes to provide feedback. Then change to a new group. #espechat
A5: I see 2 classes at once so I formally asses 1 class each day while still giving feedback to the other classes. Having things like Bam video delay set up to let S’s self assess while I am formally assessing. plan 2video S’s using @Seesaw & review videos in my prep. #espechat
Q5 - Stations stations stations. Check list fast. #espechat. Focus in on one area. Do not overwhelm yourself trying to assess every detail. Videos also than go back and watch them.
Q5) Sometimes we have double classes so approx 50 students. Stations work best for observing! Luckily I have another PE teacher to help this year. Last year I had the social worker sit and "help." :( #espechat
Watching the videos and grading definitely cuts into time you as the teacher could be doing other things...either during your planning time or your free time #espechat
In reply to
@rich_wiles, @PhysEdApps, @GingerAaron, @bdevore7
Q6) Standards Based Reporting (SBR) represents a shift in the way performance is reported home (see picture). Does your school/district use SBR? If so, what are the pros/cons? If not, what are your thoughts on SBR vs. traditional single letter grade report card? #espechat
A6: We use a 1-4 scale, for psychomotor, cognitive, working as an individual and also in groups. We also have a N-S-G engages in the learning grade. It's a decent system. #espechat
A6) We are in the process of making the shift to SB reporting. Definitely a daunting process. Really curious what other’s SB report cards look like for PE. #espechat
A6) My opinion: SBG is better than traditional but not sure it's still the "answer." The hard part is getting approval for #physed to have a complete report card for SBG instead of one space on the report card for everything together. Need to show growth in all areas. #espechat
A6) I cant wait to see these responses!! Old school had SBR, current does not. Confusing to parents who don’t understand it, and some dont care to learn it, because we dont matter to them like math and reading. SBR is more time consuming but better for Ts. #espechat
A6 - My district does not, but I am trying to use the principles of SBPE in my classroom and grades. I weighed each standard at 20% and am trying to give an equal amount of assignments in each category. It’s working so far but not ideal. #espechat
You need to develop the four point leveled rubrics for each thing you are assessing. You also need to have multiple examples (even different ways) on how you assessed a standard. #espechat
Q6) We use SBR up to grade 6. I haven't used single letter grade in 21 years. Yikes. If your SBR is created the way you want it and represents what you want others to know then it works great. We have had some bad ones in the past. #espechat
If your district is forcing you as the teacher to boil all performance indicators down to one final grade to go home on a report card, that is in direct contradiction with the whole idea of SBG. PE really needs their own report cards a lot of the time #espechat
A6) I wish we did SGR. I set up my rubrics to reflect the standards so that students and parents understand the WHY. Many of our parents struggle with the expectations of PE #espechat
I do a lot of informal assessments through observation. These don't tend to get graded but in the SBG format you might be asked to prove why a Ss ended up receiving a score. Those marks/comments might help prove it. #espechat
A6: we do it, it was a quick switch and still a learning process not just for me but parents. Trying to create a better forum for my P’s to learn about grading. Some teachers are not using the 1-4 rubric as intended on report cards which then leads to misunderstandings #espechat
A6) We use SBR up to grade 6. I haven't used single letter grade in 21 years. Yikes. If your SBR is created the way you want it and represents what you want others to know then it works great. We have had some bad ones in the past. #espechat
A6. We use a CD,PR,EM,ND system. While I like it the grading programs are not designed for anything besides percentages. I wish we had a breakdown by standard report for parents. They do it for Math, Reading and Science benchmark data can we have the same system? #espechat
#espechat#TeamWork A5- We collaborate @Creekside_High we could have 5 teachers with up to 200 kids at once between two gyms. We work together and develop stations then funnel the kids through. It takes structure discipline & consistency to work we have to be #ALLin
My school is debating about going SBG next year. The report card they showed us (for demonstration purposes) only had one space. Going to need to hitch up my big boy pants for that argument when the time comes. #espechat
A6: I don't use SBR too. I'm in Quebec but it seems like you have a good motor description to evaluate... here, we have that AND competencies which is more difficult to evaluate because of the complexity of the task. #espechat
A6 Typically large districts here are lucky to get a line to put the grade on let alone list standards. Unfortunate. I think kids and Ts would benefit. #espechat
Q7) Look at the picture for @SHAPEAmerica’s S3E1 GLO strand across grades K-5. Choose one of those GLOs and describe some different assessment methods that you could use to meet that outcome. #espechat
Same in MD Brian. There is talk of our district moving to SBR but all RA classes will still have to boil everything from the quarter down to 1 final grade. Direct contradiction of SBR in the first place...But what do I know, I'm just a PE teacher, right?!? #espechat
When showing the result, in my report card I always figure ma participation in the accomplishement of the student: Ex.: Able to do that skill WITHOUT HELP, Able to do that competencies with LITTLE HELP and so on... #espechat
A7) Taking the easy way out and using G1. Would they be able to write a quick sentence or draw a picture describing or showing the benefits of physical activity? #espechat
#espechat I think it's a great idea because it holds the teachers accountable to teaching standards and kills the "what did you do in person today -NOTHING" Answer. Also "Why add we doing this" bc it's directly in line with the standards
A7) For S3.E1.1, teacher interviews with individual students would work well. Could record video or even just audio if you felt it was necessary to have documentation of actual responses #espechat
A7) grade5: fitness log, track the activity type, duration, intensity, have a reflective piece describing how they feel (physically & mentally) before vs after completing the activity #espechat
A6: we are going to SRG next year. We are having a hard time deciding what route we want to go. Having scales for each unit or having 3 basic scales (skills, knowledge, health fitness) what works for you guys?#espechat
A7: Not a fan of this standard, not because it's unimportant, but because it can require work outside of class. I'd rather have them do "flipped" movement skill learning at home if anything. Most of them have it rough and never do homework. #espechat
A7-2) I have started using Homework Challenge slips. Completely optional for students but it could fall in as an assessment for this GLO if used correctly. #espechat
Yes, for sure, but I'm just not sure assessing it is needed given most of our situations. If I saw them more than 1x a week, I could maintain it better. #espechat
We report grades weekly and I made the mistake of reporting formative progress. Hard to explain to the kids and parents why a 2/4 on the rubric gave them an F but not a “real” F...
