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RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:00 PM EDT

Rik in MA, honored to lead alongside a dedicated Educator and a Great Friend - Allow me to introduce @garnet_hillman #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator May 18 @ 9:00 PM EDT

Good evening and welcome to #sblchat! Thrilled to co-moderate with @RoweRikW for our discussion of Grade Distortion. Please start intros...

DRich0696 May 18 @ 9:00 PM EDT

Working on an important plan for #ankedchat tomorrow so #nebedchat and #sblchat might have to wait...Dave in IA https://t.co/VzVwNpBa9M

garnet_hillman - Moderator May 18 @ 9:01 PM EDT

I'm Garnet, an instructional coach from IL. So honored to be a part of this amazing #sblchat PLN!

garnet_hillman - Moderator May 18 @ 9:01 PM EDT

@DRich0696 Hi Dave! #sblchat

geradcarrier May 18 @ 9:01 PM EDT

#sblchat gerad carrier from Tampa checking in - academic dean.

Diana_Sarao May 18 @ 9:01 PM EDT

Diana Sarao, curriculum coordinator outside of Houston- glad to be here! #sblchat

MeganCMoMo May 18 @ 9:01 PM EDT

Megan, HS Math teacher. Happy to learn from others and share my #sblchat experiences

TomSchimmer May 18 @ 9:01 PM EDT

Tom Schimmer, ed author and consultant from Vancouver, BC #sblchat

TTmomTT May 18 @ 9:01 PM EDT

Woohoo! #sblchat Mandi from MO teaching HS Math. I look forward to this every week. and I love our moderators @garnet_hillman & @RoweRikW

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:01 PM EDT

@geradcarrier Greetings Gerad! #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator May 18 @ 9:01 PM EDT

@geradcarrier Good evening Gerad! #sblchat

MrPodgorski May 18 @ 9:01 PM EDT

Patrick in IL. Excited to be here. #sblchat

CoachLesterBHS May 18 @ 9:01 PM EDT

Adam, English teacher Batavia IL #sblchat

Kmanna15 May 18 @ 9:01 PM EDT

Kristin, HS math teacher from SC #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator May 18 @ 9:01 PM EDT

@Diana_Sarao Hi Diana! #sblchat

fearlessteachrs May 18 @ 9:01 PM EDT

Gabrielle from VT joining #sblchat tonight

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:02 PM EDT

@TTmomTT Mandi, really love this Crew and learn so much each week! #sblchat @garnet_hillman

KatieBudrow May 18 @ 9:02 PM EDT

Well hello there, #sblchat! Katie, 6th grade science teacher, tweeting from the Chicagoland area tonight. So happy to be here!

garnet_hillman - Moderator May 18 @ 9:02 PM EDT

@TomSchimmer Awesome! Tom is here! #sblchat

WillCounty92 May 18 @ 9:02 PM EDT

Pete Sullivan, Superintendent of D92 outside Chicago. Husband and father of four. Heartbroken Hawks fan. Hopeful White Sox fan. #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator May 18 @ 9:02 PM EDT

@MeganCMoMo Hi Megan! #sblchat

KatieWhite426 May 18 @ 9:02 PM EDT

Katie White from Canada and grateful for 3G so I can tweet from here #sblchat https://t.co/jnE7UDQkDi

FE_Ambrose May 18 @ 9:02 PM EDT

Good evening everyone, I instruct pre-service teachers and work with them and their partner teachers in the field - Kathryn #sblchat

ELKissner May 18 @ 9:02 PM EDT

Emily from PA, looking forward to spending some time with #sblchat. May have to duck out early..

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:02 PM EDT

@MrPodgorski Hi Patrick! #sblchat

kenoc7 May 18 @ 9:02 PM EDT

Ken O’Connor, here in Toronto for another great #sblchat.

garnet_hillman - Moderator May 18 @ 9:02 PM EDT

@TTmomTT Hi Mandi, always great to chat with you. #sblchat

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:02 PM EDT

@CoachLesterBHS Adam, glad you're here! #sblchat

TomSchimmer May 18 @ 9:02 PM EDT

I'm glad to finally make an #sblchat @garnet_hillman!

garnet_hillman - Moderator May 18 @ 9:02 PM EDT

@MrPodgorski Good evening Patrick! #sblchat

kenmattingly May 18 @ 9:02 PM EDT

Ken, 7th grade science teacher, Mount Vernon, KY in the homestretch, 3.5 more days to make a difference with kids! #sblchat

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:02 PM EDT

@Kmanna15 Kristin, thrilled to see YOU! #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator May 18 @ 9:02 PM EDT

@CoachLesterBHS Hi Adam! #sblchat

MeganCMoMo May 18 @ 9:03 PM EDT

@garnet_hillman Hi Garnet! Looking forward to working with your math teachers again soon! #sblchat

CoachLesterBHS May 18 @ 9:03 PM EDT

@TomSchimmer @garnet_hillman Awesome Tom! I love the new book. #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator May 18 @ 9:03 PM EDT

@kenoc7 Hey Ken, thanks so much for joining us again. #sblchat

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:03 PM EDT

@fearlessteachrs Greetings Gabrielle! #sblchat

Kmanna15 May 18 @ 9:03 PM EDT

@RoweRikW Glad I could make it tonight! I'm trying to finish the year strong! #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator May 18 @ 9:03 PM EDT

@Kmanna15 Hi Kristin! #sblchat

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:03 PM EDT

@KatieBudrow Katie, happy to see you and ready to learn with you! #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator May 18 @ 9:03 PM EDT

@fearlessteachrs Glad to have you along Gabrielle! #sblchat

TomSchimmer May 18 @ 9:03 PM EDT

Thanks @CoachLesterBHS! #sblchat @garnet_hillman

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:03 PM EDT

THIS!! #sblchat https://t.co/plK5CInvpt

Kmanna15 May 18 @ 9:03 PM EDT

@RoweRikW Glad I could make it tonight! I'm trying to finish the year strong! #sblchat

Kmanna15 May 18 @ 9:03 PM EDT

@garnet_hillman Hi Garnet! Glad to be back again this week #sblchat

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:03 PM EDT

Like this tweet if you're interested in a #UDLUBDchat in the future. #sblchat #518webinar https://t.co/6jCwOYbux5

kenoc7 May 18 @ 9:03 PM EDT

@kenmattingly Must be nice to finish in mid-May. When did you start? #sblchat.

onboardlearning May 18 @ 9:04 PM EDT

#sblchat lisa from Atlanta! Hi y'all!

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:04 PM EDT

@WillCounty92 Pete, Welcome! #sblchat

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:04 PM EDT

Like this tweet if you are new to #sblchat so we can welcome you to our Crew tonight!

garnet_hillman - Moderator May 18 @ 9:04 PM EDT

@KatieBudrow Hey Katie, thanks for joining us even when you are feeling under the weather! #sblchat

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:04 PM EDT

@FE_Ambrose Welcome Kathryn! #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator May 18 @ 9:04 PM EDT

@WillCounty92 Hi Pete - thanks so much for joining us tonight! #sblchat

kenoc7 May 18 @ 9:04 PM EDT

@TomSchimmer About time!!! Welcome Tom. #sblchat.

kenmattingly May 18 @ 9:04 PM EDT

.@kenoc7 we started August 12th, so we're due. #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator May 18 @ 9:04 PM EDT

@KatieWhite426 Hi Katie! #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator May 18 @ 9:05 PM EDT

Q1 How does extra credit distort grades? #sblchat

hugghinss May 18 @ 9:05 PM EDT

Hello. Shelly, Spanish Instructor from Texas. Simply lurking tonight. I have no experience with #SBG. Hoping to learn from #sblchat tonight

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:05 PM EDT

@kenoc7 Honored to be with you, Ken! #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator May 18 @ 9:05 PM EDT

@ELKissner Hi Emily! We are glad to have you for as long as you can stay! #sblchat

TTmomTT May 18 @ 9:05 PM EDT

@kenmattingly We finished last week, much earlier than normal for us. #sblchat

TomSchimmer May 18 @ 9:05 PM EDT

5 min in and already being scolded by @kenoc7! ;-) #sblchat

kenoc7 May 18 @ 9:05 PM EDT

@kenmattingly True. #sblchat.

garnet_hillman - Moderator May 18 @ 9:05 PM EDT

@kenmattingly Good evening Ken! #sblchat

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:05 PM EDT

@kenmattingly Greetings Ken! #sblchat

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:06 PM EDT

A1 - We've seen "Extra Credit" distort the grade to make it less meaningful. It's often higher, but less accurate. #sblchat #STOPIT

garnet_hillman - Moderator May 18 @ 9:06 PM EDT

A1 Kleenex, markers, food for the food drive...all have nothing to do with learning or student proficiency. #sblchat

PrincipalMKelly May 18 @ 9:06 PM EDT

A1) Students need to earn original credit, forget extra credit #sblchat

KatieBudrow May 18 @ 9:06 PM EDT

A1 Extra credit inflates grades. Takes the focus away from the learning and puts it instead on the 'game of school'. #sblchat

bethhill2829 May 18 @ 9:06 PM EDT

I am going to have to double dip a little tonight in #ohedchat and #sblchat! Bethany, elem lead learner from Arkansas.

CoachLesterBHS May 18 @ 9:06 PM EDT

A1- Nonacademic factors (kleenex boxes) masked as achievement #sblchat

TTmomTT May 18 @ 9:06 PM EDT

Q1: E.C. is usually meaningless activities that may or may not support learning. Worse, it could be buying a grade w/ supplies. #sblchat

MrLisekRPSA May 18 @ 9:06 PM EDT

Good evening, #sblchat! Ryan from Michigan. MS Social Studies teacher.

Diana_Sarao May 18 @ 9:06 PM EDT

A1: Extra credit makes is about "points" and not learning. #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator May 18 @ 9:06 PM EDT

@hugghinss Hi Shelly - jump in whenever you are ready! #sblchat

MeganCMoMo May 18 @ 9:06 PM EDT

A1: Most often EC is unrelated to standards & just inflates a Ss grade w/o increasing conceptual understanding. #sblchat

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:06 PM EDT

Let's welcome Emily {@ELKissner} to our #sblchat Crew tonight! #HighFive

garnet_hillman - Moderator May 18 @ 9:07 PM EDT

A1 Extra credit inflates grades which distorts current proficiency levels. #sblchat

PrincipalMKelly May 18 @ 9:07 PM EDT

A1) Extra credit sometimes not aligned with learning objectives not previously mastered #sblchat

Kmanna15 May 18 @ 9:07 PM EDT

A1: Extra Credit gives students credit for non academics that are not normally related to learning. Its a inflation #sblchat

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:07 PM EDT

A1 - In prior years, some Learners did "Extra Credit" all wrong and expected an increase in their grade since "they did it". #sblchat

bethhill2829 May 18 @ 9:07 PM EDT

A1: Extra credit only inflates grades. Doesn't demonstrate what the child truly knows and can do. #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator May 18 @ 9:07 PM EDT

@bethhill2829 So glad you are able to join us Bethany! #sblchat

TTmomTT May 18 @ 9:07 PM EDT

@bethhill2829 watch your hashtags :-) I do that on Thursday's and mess them up at least once each week. #sblchat

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:07 PM EDT

@onboardlearning Welcome Lisa! #sblchat

MrPodgorski May 18 @ 9:07 PM EDT

A1. Extra credit distorts by measuring gameology of learning and not standards/skills. i.e. Kleenex #sblchat

KatieWhite426 May 18 @ 9:07 PM EDT

A1: Extra credit means we must be collecting points instead of measuring learning. Two different things. #sblchat

TomSchimmer May 18 @ 9:07 PM EDT

A1: Focus is on (at best) tangential aspects that take away from essential learning. At worst, nothing to do w/ learning at all #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator May 18 @ 9:07 PM EDT

@MrLisekRPSA Hi Ryan! #sblchat

Aricfoster2 May 18 @ 9:07 PM EDT

A1: poisons the idea that grades are a reflection of proficiency #sblchat

sandeeteach May 18 @ 9:07 PM EDT

Hello #ohedchat and #sblchat Sandy here from Ut. 5th grade teacher and LOVE it!

PrincipalMKelly May 18 @ 9:07 PM EDT

Some Ts won't allow retests or redos, but allow extra credit. Doesn't add up. #sblchat

Kmanna15 May 18 @ 9:07 PM EDT

Grades are more than a number. Grades should represent student understanding of course material #sblchat https://t.co/q4yW63R6IT

MeganCMoMo May 18 @ 9:06 PM EDT

A1: Most often EC is unrelated to standards & just inflates a Ss grade w/o increasing conceptual understanding. #sblchat

MrLisekRPSA May 18 @ 9:07 PM EDT

A1: If we are assessing knowledge, extra credit make Ss think they've learned more than they really did. #sblchat

ETSU90 May 18 @ 9:07 PM EDT

Alice, 8th grade math teacher from Nantucket MA jumping in for a while tonight on #sblchat

MrLogue May 18 @ 9:07 PM EDT

No class tonight. Let's see if I can do both #ohedchat and #sblchat at the same time.

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:08 PM EDT

@hugghinss Shelly, really nice to see you! #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator May 18 @ 9:08 PM EDT

RT Q1 How does extra credit distort grades? #sblchat

heidi_paterson May 18 @ 9:08 PM EDT

A1: Not an indicator of student understanding. #sblchat

ELKissner May 18 @ 9:08 PM EDT

A1-Extra credit shifts focus to task completion (or Kleenex-bringing!) instead of learning #sblchat

kenoc7 May 18 @ 9:08 PM EDT

A1 EC inflates grades & gives false picture of student ach’t. EC & incl. behaviours main reasons for remedial college courses. #sblchat.

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:08 PM EDT

@bethhill2829 Bethany, we need you! #sblchat

FE_Ambrose May 18 @ 9:08 PM EDT

A1) extra credit should be acknowledged (and encouraged!) but not assessed. Too many factors that impede all Ss from doing 'extra' #sblchat

KatieWhite426 May 18 @ 9:08 PM EDT

A1: EC tends to reinforce compliance instead of engagement and investment. Inauthentic on every level. #sblchat

WillCounty92 May 18 @ 9:08 PM EDT

A1 In fairness,some uses of "extra credit" can be viable vehicle for students to demonstrate knowledge--not all, but certainly some #sblchat

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:09 PM EDT

#STOPIT #sblchat https://t.co/yhzXfx0N5k

TTmomTT May 18 @ 9:06 PM EDT

Q1: E.C. is usually meaningless activities that may or may not support learning. Worse, it could be buying a grade w/ supplies. #sblchat

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:09 PM EDT

@MrLisekRPSA Ryan, Welcome! #sblchat

swpax May 18 @ 9:09 PM EDT

A1 #sblchat: Extra credit is likely not addressing the same competency(ies) as what originally received a lower grade

MrLogue May 18 @ 9:09 PM EDT

A1: My version of extra credit is show me you understand and I will adjust your grade accordingly. #SBLChat

TomSchimmer May 18 @ 9:09 PM EDT

A1: The leveraging of poor performance against a case of alphaghetti from Costco is absurd. Grades become meaningless #sblchat

kenmattingly May 18 @ 9:09 PM EDT

A1 - Extra credit distorts grade bc it doesn't accurately represent learning. Often it's just a way to inflate grade. #sblchat

Aricfoster2 May 18 @ 9:09 PM EDT

A1: rewards the kids whose parents CAN afford kleenex and markers and sanitizer. What about my mom growing up? #sblchat

kenoc7 May 18 @ 9:09 PM EDT

@TomSchimmer Sorry Tom. Couldn’t stop myself you Whitecaps fan you! #sblchat.

TTmomTT May 18 @ 9:09 PM EDT

A1p2: Why is it Extra? Ss should all be working toward LEARNING not a grade. #sblchat

MeganCMoMo May 18 @ 9:09 PM EDT

A1:If EC is related to concepts then ts often so challenging that its unattainable by ALL. If the task matters-it should be for ALL #sblchat

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:09 PM EDT

Bless you... #sblchat https://t.co/Rs3HmsH7jK

MrPodgorski May 18 @ 9:07 PM EDT

A1. Extra credit distorts by measuring gameology of learning and not standards/skills. i.e. Kleenex #sblchat

TomSchimmer May 18 @ 9:10 PM EDT

4-3 @kenoc7, 4-3!! #sblchat

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:10 PM EDT

@sandeeteach Love it when you are with us, Sandy! #sblchat

FE_Ambrose May 18 @ 9:10 PM EDT

A1) teacher should be designing learning so that students always want to do 'extra' when they can. Engaged learners do their best #sblchat

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:10 PM EDT

@ETSU90 Welcome Alice! #sblchat

kenoc7 May 18 @ 9:10 PM EDT

@TomSchimmer Thank you for reminding me. #sblchat.

heidi_paterson May 18 @ 9:10 PM EDT

A1: avoids an important ques - why is a student not demonstrating understanding on summative assessment #sblchat

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:11 PM EDT

@GreenbergRoger Thank you Roger. #sblchat

beebekienstra May 18 @ 9:11 PM EDT

@garnet_hillman not necessary - it does not reflect learning, only the rush for points. #sblchat

TTmomTT May 18 @ 9:11 PM EDT

@FE_Ambrose and ask for more! #sblchat

sandeeteach May 18 @ 9:11 PM EDT

@RoweRikW I don't get to jump in very often- usually have a class Great to be here! Thanks Rik #sblchat

KellyNPipes May 18 @ 9:11 PM EDT

Kelly from NC jumping in late #sblchat

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:11 PM EDT

@MrLogue Go, Rick, Go! #sblchat

TomSchimmer May 18 @ 9:11 PM EDT

A1: The "extra" should be refocused as "more" or "extended" learning to reach proficiency with essential standards #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator May 18 @ 9:11 PM EDT

@KellyNPipes Hi Kelly! #sblchat

MrPodgorski May 18 @ 9:11 PM EDT

A1 behaviors should be modeled and positive rewarded with compassion, not points. #sblchat

Americans2012 May 18 @ 9:11 PM EDT

@garnet_hillman a1 definitely not by turning in scoring sheet or dressing supporting the football team #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator May 18 @ 9:12 PM EDT

Q2 How do zeros distort grades? #sblchat

TTmomTT May 18 @ 9:12 PM EDT

@beebekienstra @garnet_hillman before #sbl I never had Ss ask for extra credit unless it was to boost grade. #sblchat

beebekienstra May 18 @ 9:12 PM EDT

extra credit reinforces the quest for points not learning #sblchat https://t.co/REZp1WTD5n

KatieWhite426 May 18 @ 9:08 PM EDT

A1: EC tends to reinforce compliance instead of engagement and investment. Inauthentic on every level. #sblchat

technolandy May 18 @ 9:12 PM EDT

Ian - principal in in BCs Sunny (hoping to keep a thunderstorm away from our long weekend) Shuswap - always love my #sblchat learning!

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:13 PM EDT

A2 - We've seen how a ZERO stops Learning, kills motivation and really distorts the grade so that one cannot recover. #sblchat #STOPIT

KatieBudrow May 18 @ 9:13 PM EDT

A2 Drops the grade so low that a lot of Ss can never recover. More honest to give an incomplete or lack of evidence instead. #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator May 18 @ 9:13 PM EDT

A2 Distort (deflate) by inaccurate reporting of a proficiency level. If there is no evidence, report it as such. #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator May 18 @ 9:13 PM EDT

@technolandy Hi Ian, thanks for joining us tonight! #sblchat

MrLogue May 18 @ 9:13 PM EDT

@TomSchimmer I try to avoid the idea that extra credit is just doing next year's school work. #SBLChat

CoachLesterBHS May 18 @ 9:13 PM EDT

A2- 60 degrees of failure vs 40 of success, Not the environment I want for my Ss. #sblchat

geradcarrier May 18 @ 9:13 PM EDT

A2: zeros on the 100 point weight failure much higher than success #sblchat

bethhill2829 May 18 @ 9:13 PM EDT

A2: Fs or zeros distort grades because there is no child who knows absolutely nothing, and they do not motivate. #sblchat

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:13 PM EDT

@KellyNPipes Kelly, here we go! #sblchat

Americans2012 May 18 @ 9:13 PM EDT

@garnet_hillman a2 omg 0 destroy learning & SS not a true assessment of learning #sblchat

Kmanna15 May 18 @ 9:13 PM EDT

Q2: Zeros dramatically lower student grades and motivation. Failing 6 or 7 times over on one assignment #sblchat

kenoc7 May 18 @ 9:13 PM EDT

A2 Zeros distort grades because the mean is mean when there are outlier scores & zero is the ultimate outlier. #sblchat.

MeganCMoMo May 18 @ 9:13 PM EDT

A2: Zeros on any scale that averages - another issue - are detrimental to grade recovery if learning occurs at a later time #sblchat

kenmattingly May 18 @ 9:13 PM EDT

Yes @TomSchimmer extra practice, extra instruction, extra time are all acceptable. That can lead to inc learning & better grade. #sblchat

MrPodgorski May 18 @ 9:13 PM EDT

A2 zeroes distort by measuring MIA skills/standards. Doesn't reflect skill, reflects laziness/missing in action #sblchat

TomSchimmer May 18 @ 9:14 PM EDT

A2: Zeros on a % scale=an outlier that annihilates a grade & is not abt level of proficiency, since it's more abt "not done." #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator May 18 @ 9:14 PM EDT

A2 Zeros for academic dishonesty should not occur. Reassess to determine proficiency and deal with the behavior separately. #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator May 18 @ 9:14 PM EDT

@KatieBudrow It is staggering to see how long it takes a student to recover from a zero when it is averaged with other grades. #sblchat

technolandy May 18 @ 9:14 PM EDT

A1 just had a question posed in our reporting committee today about "tasks" guiding scores vs showing learning (focus on standard) #sblchat

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:14 PM EDT

A2 - Recording a ZERO as Learning that a Student has yet to submit is HUGE grade distortion. Let's wait for the Learning. #sblchat

KellyNPipes May 18 @ 9:14 PM EDT

A2: 0s skew the data, many times to unrecoverable degrees. Don't reflect what students know. #sblchat

FE_Ambrose May 18 @ 9:14 PM EDT

A2) zeros don't tell parents or students what the students understand and applies, just that they are disengaged #sblchat

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:14 PM EDT

@garnet_hillman @technolandy Yes Ian. Thank you! #sblchat

ETSU90 May 18 @ 9:14 PM EDT

Great answer emphasizing proficiency not points #sblchat https://t.co/B9PDVehEvv

TomSchimmer May 18 @ 9:11 PM EDT

A1: The "extra" should be refocused as "more" or "extended" learning to reach proficiency with essential standards #sblchat

fearlessteachrs May 18 @ 9:14 PM EDT

A1: Let me count the ways...what is the meaning of EC? What does it have to do with learning? #sblchat

Aricfoster2 May 18 @ 9:14 PM EDT

A2: a 0 on 100 scale is like a -6 on a 4.0 scale, at least that's what @rickwormeli2 says :) #sblchat

heidi_paterson May 18 @ 9:14 PM EDT

A2: Invalid numbers. Assessment is incomplete b/c understanding is not demonstrated. Don't let them off the hook. #sblchat

TTmomTT May 18 @ 9:14 PM EDT

A2: If Ss receive 0 (meaning no more learning can occur) then Ts aren't measuring what Ss know but what Ss didn't show us they know #sblchat

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:14 PM EDT

#STOPIT #sblchat https://t.co/hCpOS3EJOj

geradcarrier May 18 @ 9:13 PM EDT

A2: zeros on the 100 point weight failure much higher than success #sblchat

hugghinss May 18 @ 9:14 PM EDT

A2: A zero, IMO, represents a behavioral choice by a student. Behavior is not something to be graded-proficiency is. #sblchat

bethhill2829 May 18 @ 9:15 PM EDT

A2: Zeros don't demonstrate learning. They don't assess anything, therefore they do not mean anything. #sblchat

MrLisekRPSA May 18 @ 9:15 PM EDT

A2: Zeros put Ss into a mindframe that they can't overcome failure. Basically deflates their enthusiasm for learning. #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator May 18 @ 9:15 PM EDT

RT Q2 How do zeros distort grades? #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator May 18 @ 9:15 PM EDT

This! #sblchat https://t.co/EKwYGACibi

TomSchimmer May 18 @ 9:14 PM EDT

A2: Zeros on a % scale=an outlier that annihilates a grade & is not abt level of proficiency, since it's more abt "not done." #sblchat

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:15 PM EDT

This... #sblchat https://t.co/gI3sw8c3m5

TomSchimmer May 18 @ 9:14 PM EDT

A2: Zeros on a % scale=an outlier that annihilates a grade & is not abt level of proficiency, since it's more abt "not done." #sblchat

TomSchimmer May 18 @ 9:15 PM EDT

A2: "0" actually carries more weight than other scores. Further from the cluster = more influence on the data set. #sblchat

kenoc7 May 18 @ 9:15 PM EDT

@technolandy And you helped the c’tete get the right answer didn’t you? #sblchat.

sandeeteach May 18 @ 9:15 PM EDT

@bethhill2829 In fact, they do the complete opposite! Why do Ts keep w a practice that is harmful? Don't understand it! #sblchat

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:15 PM EDT

Wow! #sblchat https://t.co/aHnj3k6W2H

FE_Ambrose May 18 @ 9:14 PM EDT

A2) zeros don't tell parents or students what the students understand and applies, just that they are disengaged #sblchat

Diana_Sarao May 18 @ 9:15 PM EDT

A2: A zero kills an "average" of a bunch of other numbers. Again, nothing to do with what kids have learned. #sblchat

Kmanna15 May 18 @ 9:16 PM EDT

Grades need to be about student learning and help point students in the right direction #sblchat https://t.co/by0gaThXlQ

FE_Ambrose May 18 @ 9:14 PM EDT

A2) zeros don't tell parents or students what the students understand and applies, just that they are disengaged #sblchat

fearlessteachrs May 18 @ 9:16 PM EDT

A2:0's can be the difference between passing or failing but don't necessarily represent learning or not learning at all #sblchat

technolandy May 18 @ 9:16 PM EDT

A2 is zero even real? Or should that be saved for philosophical debates and kept out of education ..... #sblchat

kenmattingly May 18 @ 9:16 PM EDT

A2 - Zero says nothing was learned. Rarely ever true. Also lets Ss off hook for the learning. Accurately score learning, always. #sblchat

beebekienstra May 18 @ 9:16 PM EDT

@RoweRikW aren't most zeroes a reflection of a behavior - missed work or late? and not a level of proficiency? #sblchat

KellyNPipes May 18 @ 9:16 PM EDT

A2: Something else that skews grading data is unequally distributed standards. Standard with 2 part vs. standard with 15 parts. #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator May 18 @ 9:16 PM EDT

@RoweRikW Excatly Rik - when we don't have evidence of learning, it is time to seek it out! #sblchat

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:16 PM EDT

Yes... #sblchat https://t.co/DdFBB4oVbs

beebekienstra May 18 @ 9:16 PM EDT

@RoweRikW aren't most zeroes a reflection of a behavior - missed work or late? and not a level of proficiency? #sblchat

bethhill2829 May 18 @ 9:16 PM EDT

A2: The 100 point scale and averages are just frustrating. I don't want to know the average of what a kid learns. #sblchat

FE_Ambrose May 18 @ 9:17 PM EDT

A2) zeroes also dismiss investigation into the learner - why is the student opting to receive no credit for learning? #sblchat

DouglasReeves May 18 @ 9:17 PM EDT

A zero is like standing in front of the chorus and showing “WRONG NOTE” without any feedback on how to hit the right note. #sblchat

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:17 PM EDT

Let's HAUNT our Learners FOR the Learning! @POWERofICU #sblchat https://t.co/mlewzbV892

garnet_hillman - Moderator May 18 @ 9:16 PM EDT

@RoweRikW Excatly Rik - when we don't have evidence of learning, it is time to seek it out! #sblchat

WillCounty92 May 18 @ 9:17 PM EDT

A2 The dire mathematical and educational implications of zeros have to be the starting point for serious conversations re grading #sblchat

Aricfoster2 May 18 @ 9:17 PM EDT

A2: zeros let SS off the hook and SS can be done with the task and learning #sblchat

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:17 PM EDT

LOUDER Shelly! #sblchat https://t.co/K2IHSauoy9

hugghinss May 18 @ 9:14 PM EDT

A2: A zero, IMO, represents a behavioral choice by a student. Behavior is not something to be graded-proficiency is. #sblchat

TTmomTT May 18 @ 9:17 PM EDT

I create a SBL grade simulation compared to a traditional grade and Ss are amazed at how much better it reflects their knowledge. #sblchat

swpax May 18 @ 9:17 PM EDT

A2 #sblchat: 0s only reflect student behavior/choices, not (maybe with very rare exceptions) student learning of standards.

technolandy May 18 @ 9:17 PM EDT

@kenoc7 the smartest person in the room was indeed "the room!" Loved hearing "to a standard" more than "compared to a peer" #sblchat

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:17 PM EDT

HUGE Ouch!! #sblchat https://t.co/1Rs4KgZ4Pa

MrLisekRPSA May 18 @ 9:15 PM EDT

A2: Zeros put Ss into a mindframe that they can't overcome failure. Basically deflates their enthusiasm for learning. #sblchat

TomSchimmer May 18 @ 9:17 PM EDT

A2: "0" also changes the criteria within gradebook. All other scores abt quality; zero abt existence of work. #validityissues #sblchat

PrincipalMKelly May 18 @ 9:18 PM EDT

A2) Zeros are okay if absolutely no knowledge was demonstrated when attempted. However, too often used when no attempt is made. #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator May 18 @ 9:18 PM EDT

@technolandy Right? Can't we call it what it is - a lack of evidence? #sblchat

technolandy May 18 @ 9:18 PM EDT

@KatieWhite426 1 story: kid away & missed tasks; do mountain of tasks vs show learning to a standard/outcome #sblchat

sandeeteach May 18 @ 9:18 PM EDT

Important Point! #sblchat https://t.co/IIubUJTVgB

PrincipalMKelly May 18 @ 9:18 PM EDT

A2) Zeros are okay if absolutely no knowledge was demonstrated when attempted. However, too often used when no attempt is made. #sblchat

KatieWhite426 May 18 @ 9:18 PM EDT

A2: as a teacher, a 0 communicates profound failure on my part. No learning? Wow. #sblchat

heidi_paterson May 18 @ 9:18 PM EDT

A2: 0's also do not help triangulate understanding, what Ss are struggling with, and finding a way forward. #sblchat

fearlessteachrs May 18 @ 9:18 PM EDT

@garnet_hillman @technolandy Not in powerschool we can't #sblchat

MrPodgorski May 18 @ 9:18 PM EDT

A2 even with sbg grade scales, 0 distort grades. Sad but at least kids have retake opportunities #sblchat

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:18 PM EDT

Pondering... #sblchat https://t.co/i3mhGnRCa6

technolandy May 18 @ 9:16 PM EDT

A2 is zero even real? Or should that be saved for philosophical debates and kept out of education ..... #sblchat

DouglasReeves May 18 @ 9:19 PM EDT

A2) if you MUST award a zero, then at least make it mathematically accurate on a four-point, not 100 point, scale #sblchat

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:19 PM EDT

Stunning! #sblchat https://t.co/x9JYJZ858b

bethhill2829 May 18 @ 9:16 PM EDT

A2: The 100 point scale and averages are just frustrating. I don't want to know the average of what a kid learns. #sblchat

FE_Ambrose May 18 @ 9:19 PM EDT

@kenmattingly I recently heard "extremes' provide you more interesting data than 'mainstreams' - Are Ts asking why re the outlier? #sblchat

TTmomTT May 18 @ 9:19 PM EDT

Wow! How fast would the practice change if all Ts viewed it that way! #sblchat https://t.co/DeIY96B1CC

KatieWhite426 May 18 @ 9:18 PM EDT

A2: as a teacher, a 0 communicates profound failure on my part. No learning? Wow. #sblchat

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:19 PM EDT

Then #STOPIT! #sblchat https://t.co/ut9HcT4LwQ

Aricfoster2 May 18 @ 9:17 PM EDT

A2: zeros let SS off the hook and SS can be done with the task and learning #sblchat

TomSchimmer May 18 @ 9:19 PM EDT

A2: A student would need to earn 70% 140 times in a row to reach an average of 69.5% if they started with a zero. #nuffsaid #sblchat

kenoc7 May 18 @ 9:19 PM EDT

Absolutely. #sblchat. https://t.co/ZWX4Pp8VrU

WillCounty92 May 18 @ 9:17 PM EDT

A2 The dire mathematical and educational implications of zeros have to be the starting point for serious conversations re grading #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator May 18 @ 9:20 PM EDT

Q3 How does curving / norm referencing distort grades? #sblchat

technolandy May 18 @ 9:20 PM EDT

@garnet_hillman if you have it, then "it" can't be a "zero" - always better to focus on learnings/outcomes over task completion! #sblchat

beebekienstra May 18 @ 9:20 PM EDT

@RoweRikW @bethhill2829 so true - I want to know what they know NOW, so happy to be using #SBG now #sblchat

heidi_paterson May 18 @ 9:20 PM EDT

@technolandy I have had Ss score a 0 on an assessment. Tutoring and reassessment changed that #sblchat

DouglasReeves May 18 @ 9:20 PM EDT

Consider this end of year experiment: Recalculate grades based ONLY on evidence proficiency - no homework, behavior, etc. #sblchat

kenoc7 May 18 @ 9:20 PM EDT

No, not in a % scale with 60 points for an F. #sblchat. https://t.co/DhcJd8647U

PrincipalMKelly May 18 @ 9:18 PM EDT

A2) Zeros are okay if absolutely no knowledge was demonstrated when attempted. However, too often used when no attempt is made. #sblchat

bethhill2829 May 18 @ 9:20 PM EDT

A3: Grading on a curve...don't get me started! UGH! It is unethical. Not a true picture of what kids know and are able to do. #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator May 18 @ 9:21 PM EDT

A3 Curving distorts because we are comparing kids to kids. Compare against the standard for accuracy in grading. #sblchat

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:21 PM EDT

A3 - When teachers scale or curve grades, higher grades result, but at a loss of accuracy. Please #STOPIT. #sblchat

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:21 PM EDT

Calculating.... #sblchat https://t.co/3owkcj7pDP

TomSchimmer May 18 @ 9:19 PM EDT

A2: A student would need to earn 70% 140 times in a row to reach an average of 69.5% if they started with a zero. #nuffsaid #sblchat

TomSchimmer May 18 @ 9:21 PM EDT

A3: Norming distracts from quality by focusing on being the best amongst the group, not the best vs the standards #sblchat

DRich0696 May 18 @ 9:21 PM EDT

A3: It punishes students for not learning fast enough. #sblchat

DouglasReeves May 18 @ 9:21 PM EDT

Experiment, continued - what would happen when you recalculate grades? What inferences would you draw? #sblchat https://t.co/9td2zVw02X

geradcarrier May 18 @ 9:21 PM EDT

A3: norming relates learning to other students rather than the learning standard #sblchat

lesliefarooq May 18 @ 9:21 PM EDT

Oh, #sblchat, your words are music to my eyes re. zeroes! Leslie in Mty, MX, zeroing in on your chat!

technolandy May 18 @ 9:21 PM EDT

@TomSchimmer add in the divide when "put down something to get 50%" and a zero becomes almost insurmountable #sblchat

WillCounty92 May 18 @ 9:21 PM EDT

@TomSchimmer the mathematical implications are incredible. Lead too many students to give up! #sblchat

Kmanna15 May 18 @ 9:21 PM EDT

Q3: Curves do not reflect student learning, but open a comparison between student learn or lack of teaching #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator May 18 @ 9:21 PM EDT

@lesliefarooq Welcome Leslie! #sblchat

jwalkup May 18 @ 9:21 PM EDT

@hugghinss Grading behavior is also a way for T to "get even" with a student he/she doesn't like for whatever reasons #sblchat

beebekienstra May 18 @ 9:21 PM EDT

@bethhill2829 only if our goal is to grade them against peers, but why would we do that? grade against standards is the goal #sblchat

TTmomTT May 18 @ 9:21 PM EDT

A3: Norm ref - do Ts still do this? Ouch! Curving - lets Ss off the hook for learning. Grade is higher than knowledge. #sblchat

ELKissner May 18 @ 9:22 PM EDT

A2: I esp hate a zero when given for work started in class, but not completed & turned in. Some learning happened. #sblchat

kenoc7 May 18 @ 9:22 PM EDT

No, a 100mtimes no if used with % and averaging. #sblchat. https://t.co/NfyjLbWxYQ

sandeeteach May 18 @ 9:18 PM EDT
Important Point! #sblchat https://t.co/IIubUJTVgB
- PrincipalMKelly May 18 @ 9:18 PM EDT
  
  A2) Zeros are okay if absolutely no knowledge was demonstrated when attempted. However, too often used when no attempt is made. #sblchat

bethhill2829 May 18 @ 9:22 PM EDT

A3: When normed or curved, grades become a comparison of apples and oranges. It is unjust. #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator May 18 @ 9:22 PM EDT

A3 Curving creates its own top level of proficiency. We determine what evidence elicits a 4, not the range of scores. #sblchat

fearlessteachrs May 18 @ 9:22 PM EDT

A3: This one is just old school & silly. Not even sure what to say to the curve but curves have no validity in measuring learning #sblchat

technolandy May 18 @ 9:22 PM EDT

@heidi_paterson must be nice to have the $ and resources in the community to get tutoring 😜 #sblchat not available for "all"

swpax May 18 @ 9:22 PM EDT

A3 #sblchat: Curving/norming distorts by comparing students to other students, instead of students to the standards/proficiencies

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:22 PM EDT

Speechless... #sblchat https://t.co/UxbVB175TK

DRich0696 May 18 @ 9:21 PM EDT

A3: It punishes students for not learning fast enough. #sblchat

MrPodgorski May 18 @ 9:22 PM EDT

A3: curving makes kids compare to one another and not their own learning. #sblchat

MrLogue May 18 @ 9:22 PM EDT

@WillCounty92 @TomSchimmer Ask my 6th grade teacher about the trouble I caused after it was impossible to pass her class. #SBLChat

kenoc7 May 18 @ 9:22 PM EDT

Yes this, NOT in a % scale. #sblchat. https://t.co/xPCH6hgzfF

DouglasReeves May 18 @ 9:19 PM EDT

A2) if you MUST award a zero, then at least make it mathematically accurate on a four-point, not 100 point, scale #sblchat

lesliefarooq May 18 @ 9:23 PM EDT

A1: I don't award EC, but I am not sure it would always distort grades, it would depend on your grading system set up, no? #sblchat

KatieWhite426 May 18 @ 9:23 PM EDT

A3: Again, magic math. No place for secrets and mystery where the stakes (student learning and success) is so high (school) #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator May 18 @ 9:23 PM EDT

RT Q3 How does curving / norm referencing distort grades? #sblchat

sandeeteach May 18 @ 9:23 PM EDT

@DouglasReeves Doug- I so appreciate your videos/books- Easy to understand (logic) as I share thoughts w other teachers #sblchat

TomSchimmer May 18 @ 9:23 PM EDT

So true @WillCounty92! Students quickly realize that they have to exponentially outperform themselves just to average a pass. #sblchat

Russ_Schwartz May 18 @ 9:23 PM EDT

So true! It has to stop! #sblchat https://t.co/0JY9IVGCdL

bethhill2829 May 18 @ 9:22 PM EDT

A3: When normed or curved, grades become a comparison of apples and oranges. It is unjust. #sblchat

heidi_paterson May 18 @ 9:23 PM EDT

I tried this w/grade 12 classes this year & gave them both reports. They liked OBA but still obsessed w/% #sblchat https://t.co/9mKoEqsRJz

TTmomTT May 18 @ 9:17 PM EDT

I create a SBL grade simulation compared to a traditional grade and Ss are amazed at how much better it reflects their knowledge. #sblchat

dailyvalueomath May 18 @ 9:23 PM EDT

A3: #sblchat, by curving or norming grades loss the quality of communicating proficience/mastery of mathematical standards/learning objs

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:23 PM EDT

Nasty or Rotten Fruit... #sblchat https://t.co/jee5iv8mDW

bethhill2829 May 18 @ 9:22 PM EDT

A3: When normed or curved, grades become a comparison of apples and oranges. It is unjust. #sblchat

MrLisekRPSA May 18 @ 9:23 PM EDT

A3: The curve gives kids a false sense of their understanding. The learning being mastered shouldn't be skewed. #sblchat

technolandy May 18 @ 9:23 PM EDT

@DRich0696 AND is speed a relevant skill/tool around mastery - do master craftspeople work fast or work well?! #sblchat

lesliefarooq May 18 @ 9:23 PM EDT

@heidi_paterson I suppose it could be that they are using an app to ans course work, but understand nothing and it shows on test? #sblchat

TTmomTT May 18 @ 9:23 PM EDT

@DRich0696 Teaching math, we talk about famous mathematicians who promote learning slowly and deeply not shallow and fast. #sblchat

sandeeteach May 18 @ 9:24 PM EDT

@kenoc7 I don't. :) #sblchat

EdHistory101 May 18 @ 9:24 PM EDT

Evening #sblchat! Our latest episode is on grades. 25 minutes of history and giggles! https://t.co/mXYqgcsAtk

FE_Ambrose May 18 @ 9:24 PM EDT

@garnet_hillman A3) It let my whole physics class in University pass a course we all failed ; )#sblchat

kenmattingly May 18 @ 9:24 PM EDT

@FE_Ambrose I just want data & to see what it tells me about S perf. All data's important but must exist,data absence tells nothing #sblchat

sarahyogidds May 18 @ 9:24 PM EDT

Great #sblchat, can't fully participate but following along!

kenoc7 May 18 @ 9:24 PM EDT

A# Curving makes it about distribution, not learning/achievement. Also makes the classroom a competition. #sblchat.

garnet_hillman - Moderator May 18 @ 9:24 PM EDT

Wow... #sblchat https://t.co/lEkvE9otDN

FE_Ambrose May 18 @ 9:24 PM EDT

@garnet_hillman A3) It let my whole physics class in University pass a course we all failed ; )#sblchat

jwalkup May 18 @ 9:24 PM EDT

@hugghinss Highly subjective grading like this provides Ss with no recourse. "You get a D because I said so." #sblchat

Americans2012 May 18 @ 9:24 PM EDT

@RoweRikW zeros should b turned into "not there yet" #sblchat a2

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:24 PM EDT

Love these math terms... #sblchat https://t.co/8ZFygnxfKh

TomSchimmer May 18 @ 9:23 PM EDT

So true @WillCounty92! Students quickly realize that they have to exponentially outperform themselves just to average a pass. #sblchat

lesliefarooq May 18 @ 9:25 PM EDT

A2: Zeroes are numeric punishment, dropping a decent average into the gutter. They are outliers. #sblchat

technolandy May 18 @ 9:25 PM EDT

A3 shifts focus to performance vs peers - would suck to be a December birthday vs class of January kids - wait -that was me... #sblchat

bethhill2829 May 18 @ 9:25 PM EDT

@kenoc7 Exactly. Becomes less about the learning and more about the one-upping. #sblchat

PrincipalMKelly May 18 @ 9:25 PM EDT

@kenoc7 @sandeeteach not used in this manner. #sblchat

kenoc7 May 18 @ 9:25 PM EDT

@PrincipalMKelly OK, but that is not what I understood you saying in the first tweet. #sblchat.

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:25 PM EDT

This, please this! #sblchat https://t.co/8nDWyzvKiC

Americans2012 May 18 @ 9:24 PM EDT

@RoweRikW zeros should b turned into "not there yet" #sblchat a2

DouglasReeves May 18 @ 9:25 PM EDT

@jwalkup You hit a very emotional subject - “getting even” see a tragic case study in “FAST Grading" #sblchat https://t.co/9td2zVw02X

TTmomTT May 18 @ 9:25 PM EDT

@heidi_paterson My Ss don't start talking % until the end. It was a little discouraging when it began because it have been absent. #sblchat

Russ_Schwartz May 18 @ 9:25 PM EDT

Russ, principal in FL. #sblchat

TTMobile_us May 18 @ 9:25 PM EDT

#sblchat is now trending in USA, ranking 50

TomSchimmer May 18 @ 9:25 PM EDT

A3: Norming requires variation & finite distinctions (% perfect for it). Stands=criterion-reference which doesn't need variation #sblchat

kenmattingly May 18 @ 9:26 PM EDT

A3 - Only thing that should be ref'd in grade is S standing in relation to the standard. How you relate to rest of class irrelevant #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator May 18 @ 9:26 PM EDT

@Russ_Schwartz Good evening Russ! #sblchat

heidi_paterson May 18 @ 9:26 PM EDT

@technolandy ? There's no $$$ or extra resources for tutoring. It's called "You will come and see me for help". I've never charged #sblchat

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:26 PM EDT

Love this! #sblchat https://t.co/BMxKKb9cIX

TTmomTT May 18 @ 9:23 PM EDT

@DRich0696 Teaching math, we talk about famous mathematicians who promote learning slowly and deeply not shallow and fast. #sblchat

lesliefarooq May 18 @ 9:26 PM EDT

A3: It makes a meaningless number (average) even more meaningless. #sblchat

jwalkup May 18 @ 9:26 PM EDT

@hugghinss And the teacher's pet gets a better grade than deserved simply for kissing butt. #sblchat

PrincipalMKelly May 18 @ 9:26 PM EDT

@kenoc7 working within a set framework until we can change it. With great success. #sblchat

MrPodgorski May 18 @ 9:26 PM EDT

A3. Curving can lead to "hope we ALL fail" mentality. #sblchat

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:27 PM EDT

So... #STOPIT #sblchat https://t.co/053nEppP2x

lesliefarooq May 18 @ 9:25 PM EDT

A2: Zeroes are numeric punishment, dropping a decent average into the gutter. They are outliers. #sblchat

bethhill2829 May 18 @ 9:27 PM EDT

Choice can help. Differentiation of how a child demonstrates their knowledge. One size doesn't fit all. #sblchat https://t.co/v4IhKWS5LV

coachaldridge May 18 @ 9:26 PM EDT

@bethhill2829 how do you encourage Ss to not get zeroes? Many times Ss just don't turn work in.

sandeeteach May 18 @ 9:27 PM EDT

@PrincipalMKelly @kenoc7 Mike- I said that as well :) #sblchat

TTmomTT May 18 @ 9:27 PM EDT

A consequence many Ts don't think about. Great point! #sblchat https://t.co/ZoiUBwnvrj

MrPodgorski May 18 @ 9:26 PM EDT

A3. Curving can lead to "hope we ALL fail" mentality. #sblchat

MrMillerAHS May 18 @ 9:27 PM EDT

Hey #sblchat help out one of our AP Stats projects by doing this 3 question survey. Thanks in advance https://t.co/JoXuTo2Skj

kenoc7 May 18 @ 9:27 PM EDT

Unfortunately yes, some at HS, mostly now colleges. U of Alberta has print out of required distributions. #sblchat. https://t.co/32rJcU8Xzi

TTmomTT May 18 @ 9:21 PM EDT

A3: Norm ref - do Ts still do this? Ouch! Curving - lets Ss off the hook for learning. Grade is higher than knowledge. #sblchat

DRich0696 May 18 @ 9:27 PM EDT

@technolandy I want quality, not speed from my craftsman. #sblchat

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:27 PM EDT

@Russ_Schwartz Russ, welcome and jump in since #sblchat is SMOKIN' tonight!

lesliefarooq May 18 @ 9:27 PM EDT

@technolandy It was me too and I loved it, but it definitely doesn't work for everyone. #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator May 18 @ 9:28 PM EDT

Q4 How does averaging distort grades? #sblchat

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:28 PM EDT

OUCH!! #sblchat https://t.co/ZcTkT1sgKI

MrPodgorski May 18 @ 9:26 PM EDT

A3. Curving can lead to "hope we ALL fail" mentality. #sblchat

Russ_Schwartz May 18 @ 9:28 PM EDT

A3: Have to grade showing growth. Not fair when S earns A but only grew 5% while other earns C but grew 25%. Know where they start! #sblchat

kenmattingly May 18 @ 9:28 PM EDT

I remember this mentality from my college classes. Everyone hoping that one kid didn't do so well. #sblchat https://t.co/LWeXrI5HHw

TTmomTT May 18 @ 9:27 PM EDT
A consequence many Ts don't think about. Great point! #sblchat https://t.co/ZoiUBwnvrj
- MrPodgorski May 18 @ 9:26 PM EDT
  
  A3. Curving can lead to "hope we ALL fail" mentality. #sblchat

bethhill2829 May 18 @ 9:28 PM EDT

A4: Oh don't get me started... (soapbox) #sblchat https://t.co/cC2LlQhPpW

garnet_hillman - Moderator May 18 @ 9:28 PM EDT

Q4 How does averaging distort grades? #sblchat

technolandy May 18 @ 9:28 PM EDT

@heidi_paterson love that you're making it work! Creativity (lunch) matters - but tricky being in a 95% bus school #sblchat

DouglasReeves May 18 @ 9:28 PM EDT

A4: We teach 4th graders about mean, median, and mode - they understand that averages can lie. #sblchat https://t.co/9td2zVw02X

debsnet May 18 @ 9:28 PM EDT

New: On professional identity & professional learning for educators https://t.co/M4CgUIkjF9 #ohedchat #BmoreEdChat #1to1techat #sblchat

kenoc7 May 18 @ 9:28 PM EDT

I wish all math teachers did this. Still too many who assess on speed. #sblchat. https://t.co/DxFQFWol8B

TTmomTT May 18 @ 9:23 PM EDT

@DRich0696 Teaching math, we talk about famous mathematicians who promote learning slowly and deeply not shallow and fast. #sblchat

TTmomTT May 18 @ 9:28 PM EDT

@coachaldridge @bethhill2829 I conference Ss who don't want to practice. Ask why. Many times I can remove the fear of failure. #sblchat

CoachLesterBHS May 18 @ 9:28 PM EDT

A4- Punishes Ss for not learning when they are starting out. Ss who have learned by end of May are punished for January. #sblchat

Americans2012 May 18 @ 9:28 PM EDT

Can't see q3 but God help us there is no averaging in sbg even if it takes u 10 tries u still get the drivers license #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator May 18 @ 9:29 PM EDT

A4 Distorts by combining most recent evidence of learning with the starting point. Works against intrinsic motivation to learn. #sblchat

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:29 PM EDT

A4 - You think averaging distorts grades? Average your initial 0 with your now 100. How do you feel with a 50? #STOPIT #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator May 18 @ 9:29 PM EDT

@bethhill2829 Jump on the soapbox - I've been there all night! :) #sblchat

FE_Ambrose May 18 @ 9:29 PM EDT

@swpax @garnet_hillman I must say I was great fun, but I was happy when my 89% was a 7 out of 9 bc of the curve! #sblchat

TTmomTT May 18 @ 9:29 PM EDT

@kenoc7 That is always my focus. It doesn't matter how long it takes, it only matter that you learn. #sblchat

technolandy May 18 @ 9:29 PM EDT

@lesliefarooq nope. My sister one day after me (and a couple years) and we had very different academic experiences 😕 #sblchat

WillCounty92 May 18 @ 9:29 PM EDT

a3. I have told grad classes as experiment only half will get As; some who thought ok for children did not like it for selves. #sblchat

bethhill2829 May 18 @ 9:29 PM EDT

A4: I don't want someone to tell me the average of what I know. I want to know what I am good at and what I need to get better. #sblchat

Americans2012 May 18 @ 9:29 PM EDT

@RoweRikW @TTmomTT @DRich0696 agree we call those attempts on learning not failing #sblchat

TTmomTT May 18 @ 9:30 PM EDT

@kenoc7 I remember that from college too. Made me angry! #sblchat

geradcarrier May 18 @ 9:30 PM EDT

A4: averaging grades on the same learning standard does not reflect true learning #sblchat

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:30 PM EDT

A4 - What in your career is averaged? You wouldn't want it done that way so let's not average grades, but instill Learning! #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator May 18 @ 9:30 PM EDT

A4 Gives inaccurate information about most recent proficiency which creates meaningless grades. Growth is reported separately. #sblchat

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:30 PM EDT

@Americans2012 Q3 How does curving / norm referencing distort grades? #sblchat

technolandy May 18 @ 9:30 PM EDT

A4 and my usual thought-bomb on averaging: mean median or mode? #sblchat

FE_Ambrose May 18 @ 9:30 PM EDT

@swpax @garnet_hillman distorts grades, reflection of learning and instructor accountability. #sblchat

teachtoeach May 18 @ 9:30 PM EDT

@RoweRikW I'm loving your #STOPIT :) #sblchat

MrLisekRPSA May 18 @ 9:30 PM EDT

A4: When a S has learned or mastered a skill, their poorer early grades harm their overall "score" for the class. #sblchat

heidi_paterson May 18 @ 9:30 PM EDT

@lesliefarooq Exactly! We need to investigate why they are outliers too. #sblchat

lesliefarooq May 18 @ 9:30 PM EDT

A4: Someone needs to tweet that graphic of the three different Ss and their equal averages with varying assignment grades. Please! #sblchat

kenoc7 May 18 @ 9:30 PM EDT

@PrincipalMKelly Set framework? #sblchat.

bethhill2829 May 18 @ 9:30 PM EDT

Girl you hear me all the time...you know my soapboxes wel as does the rest of the fam of @CentralCabotpK4 #sblchat https://t.co/hkXRwpQetf

teachtoeach May 18 @ 9:29 PM EDT

@bethhill2829 Get started!!!! :)

garnet_hillman - Moderator May 18 @ 9:31 PM EDT

RT Q4 How does averaging distort grades? #sblchat

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:31 PM EDT

Profound... #sblchat https://t.co/8OgjOvPLDZ

geradcarrier May 18 @ 9:30 PM EDT

A4: averaging grades on the same learning standard does not reflect true learning #sblchat

PrincipalMKelly May 18 @ 9:31 PM EDT

A4) I'd be happy if the word "average" was removed from grading vocabulary. It should be a grade calculation. #sblchat

kenmattingly May 18 @ 9:31 PM EDT

A4 Averaging says every attempt counts same, if you struggle early you're not a good S.Pls give full credit when learning certified #sblchat

lesliefarooq May 18 @ 9:31 PM EDT

@RoweRikW It has to be a school-wide conversation, yes? #sblchat

MrPodgorski May 18 @ 9:31 PM EDT

A4. I'm an English teach,but Avg and curves reminds me of stats class P-hacking, making the numbers work for Ts good and not Ss. #sblchat

lesliefarooq May 18 @ 9:32 PM EDT

@garnet_hillman Hi Garnet! :) #sblchat

PrincipalMKelly May 18 @ 9:32 PM EDT

@kenoc7 framework of a 100 pt scale set by district. #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator May 18 @ 9:32 PM EDT

@PrincipalMKelly I want to go further and get rid of calculation if possible - determination of proficiency level. #sblchat

FE_Ambrose May 18 @ 9:32 PM EDT

@swpax @garnet_hillman I must say I was glad for the pass, but I was not happy when my 89% = 7 out of 9 bc of the curve! #sblchat #sblchat

FE_Ambrose May 18 @ 9:32 PM EDT

@swpax @garnet_hillman I must say I was glad for the pass, but I was not happy when my 89% = 7 out of 9 bc of the curve! #sblchat #sblchat

TTmomTT May 18 @ 9:32 PM EDT

A4: I love the ex. that shows the diff grades that all ave to the same thing. I show that to Ts to help them see how unfair it is. #sblchat

technolandy May 18 @ 9:32 PM EDT

@MrLisekRPSA nicely said - becomes a "game" to keep a high score - one of my kids does this well, another just doesn't play.... #sblchat

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:32 PM EDT

Yes! School-wide awareness from the top down. #sblchat https://t.co/Y4DsWfGN8A

lesliefarooq May 18 @ 9:31 PM EDT

@RoweRikW It has to be a school-wide conversation, yes? #sblchat

PrincipalMKelly May 18 @ 9:32 PM EDT

@garnet_hillman even better. #sblchat

TTmomTT May 18 @ 9:32 PM EDT

@geradcarrier Most recent evidence! ALWAYS! #sblchat

KellyNPipes May 18 @ 9:32 PM EDT

A4: NC requires converting to numerical, so I'm using Marzano Model, averaging sbl grade for each stnd. No way around it. #sblchat

DouglasReeves May 18 @ 9:32 PM EDT

@PrincipalMKelly We need to label the 100-point scale for what it is - an inaccurate artifact of previous century. #sblchat

lesliefarooq May 18 @ 9:32 PM EDT

@heidi_paterson Why didn't a student do the work? Usually because they have something else more pressing and it slipped away. #sblchat

heidi_paterson May 18 @ 9:32 PM EDT

@kenoc7 @TTmomTT I believe Gr 12 dept exams in SK still are but I cannot say that w/certainty. #sblchat

kenoc7 May 18 @ 9:33 PM EDT

A4 Averaging distorts grades because result is skewed by outliers and because it makes Sept learning permanent. #sblchat.

KatieWhite426 May 18 @ 9:33 PM EDT

A4: It must be May bc I just want to jump on my soapbox and yell. "Games! Why do we insist on playing games? We are killing joy" #sblchat

bethhill2829 May 18 @ 9:33 PM EDT

A4: There is no longer room for percentages and averages in our education system...they have to go. Period. #sblchat

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:33 PM EDT

Patrick, there's lots of Math Teachers in #sblchat tonight! https://t.co/slLJmsAqdA

MrPodgorski May 18 @ 9:31 PM EDT

A4. I'm an English teach,but Avg and curves reminds me of stats class P-hacking, making the numbers work for Ts good and not Ss. #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator May 18 @ 9:33 PM EDT

@KatieWhite426 Welcome to May! #sblchat

jwalkup May 18 @ 9:33 PM EDT

@KatieWhite426 @hugghinss Grading behavior turns Ts into Santa Claus. "If you're nice, I will bring you a nice present (an A)." #sblchat

DouglasReeves May 18 @ 9:33 PM EDT

More on 100-point scale - we deliver GPA’s on 4-point scale. Why not just stay with 4-points in every in-class grade as well? #sblchat

teachtoeach May 18 @ 9:33 PM EDT

@bethhill2829 @CentralCabotpK4 You have great insights and a great perspective to share. Some came here to learn tonight! #sblchat

TomSchimmer May 18 @ 9:33 PM EDT

A4: Where as an adult does it matter that you *used to* not know how to do something? What students used to not know is irrelevant #sblchat

bethhill2829 May 18 @ 9:33 PM EDT

A4: I have been reading @kenoc7 research on grading practices. I highly suggest. #sblchat

lesliefarooq May 18 @ 9:33 PM EDT

.@CoachLesterBHS @RoweRikW A snapshot in time, boiled down to two digits. You think tweets are short? #sblchat

KatieWhite426 May 18 @ 9:34 PM EDT

I prefer grade determination. #sblchat https://t.co/lw12gWwC2a

PrincipalMKelly May 18 @ 9:31 PM EDT

A4) I'd be happy if the word "average" was removed from grading vocabulary. It should be a grade calculation. #sblchat

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:34 PM EDT

Like this tweet if you are new to #sblchat so we can welcome you to our Crew tonight! Let's learn together!

TTmomTT May 18 @ 9:34 PM EDT

I had a T tell me that it wasn't fair to the Ss who got it the first time. If it takes more time Ss should have lower grade. #WHAT? #sblchat

FE_Ambrose May 18 @ 9:34 PM EDT

A4) Averaging can disguise strengths/weaknesses. Ex Ss excels w projects, not w/ tests. That's important info not communicated #sblchat

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:34 PM EDT

In awe... #sblchat https://t.co/egrCGtOOQw

lesliefarooq May 18 @ 9:33 PM EDT

.@CoachLesterBHS @RoweRikW A snapshot in time, boiled down to two digits. You think tweets are short? #sblchat

MrLogue May 18 @ 9:34 PM EDT

@KellyNPipes I'm stuck on the 100 point scale at the college level. I use SBL principles, but I have to give a grade. It's tough. #SBLChat

heidi_paterson May 18 @ 9:34 PM EDT

@technolandy Def! My school only has a 30 min lunch period so tutoring is in bite sized for them. #sblchat

Americans2012 May 18 @ 9:34 PM EDT

@RoweRikW @geradcarrier a4 absolutely if a S gets it 2nd time why is he sitting there? #sblchat don't waste their time

sandeeteach May 18 @ 9:34 PM EDT

@bethhill2829 @kenoc7 You'll have to fill me in Bethany! #sblchat

RoySovis May 18 @ 9:34 PM EDT

Q4 Seriously..averaging? We’er still talking about this? Wait! That’s bc it’s STILL happening..Wait what? #sblchat

hugghinss May 18 @ 9:34 PM EDT

Determining a student's grade via #SBL in a traditional grading system is something I am struggling with in the transition. #sblchat

TTmomTT May 18 @ 9:34 PM EDT

@CoachLesterBHS @geradcarrier I still record most recent and we conference and reflect on why it's lower then they reassess. #sblchat

blocht574 May 18 @ 9:34 PM EDT

@PrincipalMKelly Mode or median would be so much better than mean! #sblchat

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:34 PM EDT

Our life will show as a dash between two dates at some point... #sblchat https://t.co/egrCGtOOQw

lesliefarooq May 18 @ 9:33 PM EDT

.@CoachLesterBHS @RoweRikW A snapshot in time, boiled down to two digits. You think tweets are short? #sblchat

WillCounty92 May 18 @ 9:35 PM EDT

A4 averaging is flawed but can become better indicator of achievement when zeros are removed and quality assessments are in place #sblchat

MrHatton May 18 @ 9:35 PM EDT

Excellent and interesting take on extra credit by the great @kenoc7 #sblchat #edchat https://t.co/POKnlNVNrZ

kenoc7 May 18 @ 9:08 PM EDT

A1 EC inflates grades & gives false picture of student ach’t. EC & incl. behaviours main reasons for remedial college courses. #sblchat.

lesliefarooq May 18 @ 9:35 PM EDT

.@TomSchimmer This is so true. When stated like this it is so obvious! Wow! #sblchat

Americans2012 May 18 @ 9:35 PM EDT

@garnet_hillman @PrincipalMKelly our grade book is set up for trend not averaging #sblchat

DouglasReeves May 18 @ 9:35 PM EDT

The “Get it right the first time” myth - not in science, not in creativity - it’s ALWAYS a cycle of feedback and improvement. #sblchat

kenoc7 May 18 @ 9:36 PM EDT

@KellyNPipes Marzano model? #sblchat.

KatieBudrow May 18 @ 9:36 PM EDT

A5 Talk with my Ss about this ALL the time. Group work makes it too hard to determine who learned what. Need to know what YOU know. #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator May 18 @ 9:36 PM EDT

Q5 How does grading group work distort grades? #sblchat

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:36 PM EDT

September learning should always be able to be replaced by more recent learning... #sblchat https://t.co/PWnx0NNkSU

kenoc7 May 18 @ 9:33 PM EDT

A4 Averaging distorts grades because result is skewed by outliers and because it makes Sept learning permanent. #sblchat.

RoySovis May 18 @ 9:36 PM EDT

A4 It makes all the “inputs” meaningless & arbitrary. It makes it impossible to give meaning to the mark #sblchat

MrLisekRPSA May 18 @ 9:36 PM EDT

@RoySovis #sblchat https://t.co/eme306kID7

CoachLesterBHS May 18 @ 9:36 PM EDT

A5- No idea who knows what and who needs what feedback. #sblchat

KSukEDUC May 18 @ 9:36 PM EDT

@garnet_hillman if multiple outcomes in a term to assess and lil or no opps to assess spec ones mult times, is mode overall okay? #sblchat

TTmomTT May 18 @ 9:36 PM EDT

@MrHatton As always @kenoc7 hits the nail on the head. College Ss are mystified that they are in remedial classes, they were A Ss. #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator May 18 @ 9:37 PM EDT

A5 You can't accurately determine what group member gives which evidence. Proficiency levels are determined on an individual basis. #sblchat

bethhill2829 May 18 @ 9:37 PM EDT

A5: It is unethical to grade a child on the efforts/knowledge/participation of another. #sblchat https://t.co/ZcFi6ATAwd

garnet_hillman - Moderator May 18 @ 9:36 PM EDT

Q5 How does grading group work distort grades? #sblchat

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:37 PM EDT

A5 - Grading group work is a sure fire way of creating resentment in Learners and Learning. #STOPIT #sblchat

sandeeteach May 18 @ 9:37 PM EDT

@DouglasReeves Yes! I strongly believe this! Kids grow with timely specific feedback :) #sblchat

heidi_paterson May 18 @ 9:37 PM EDT

A4: That's a tough one to answer b/c in science, there can be content in discrete units; knowledge & skills not continuously dev'd #sblchat

TomSchimmer May 18 @ 9:37 PM EDT

All 3 averages have flaws @blocht574. Median: sometimes increments not regular; Mode: can be very far from mean. @PrincipalMKelly #sblchat

kenoc7 May 18 @ 9:37 PM EDT

Me too Katie. I always talk about “grade determination” NOT “grade calculation.” #sblchat. https://t.co/RUTCDO0T95

KatieWhite426 May 18 @ 9:34 PM EDT
I prefer grade determination. #sblchat https://t.co/lw12gWwC2a
- PrincipalMKelly May 18 @ 9:31 PM EDT
  
  A4) I'd be happy if the word "average" was removed from grading vocabulary. It should be a grade calculation. #sblchat

DouglasReeves May 18 @ 9:37 PM EDT

Respectful push-back on group grading - What’s the evidence that grades are the only motivation? #sblchat https://t.co/9td2zVw02X

TTmomTT May 18 @ 9:37 PM EDT

@KellyNPipes So a numerical score for each standard then all standards are averaged at the end? #sblchat

MeganCMoMo May 18 @ 9:37 PM EDT

A4: averaging gives equal weight to the first attempt at learning as it does the most recent. It takes away from the reason to grow #sblchat

KatieBudrow May 18 @ 9:38 PM EDT

A5 This! #sblchat https://t.co/j6oJdKssuh

garnet_hillman - Moderator May 18 @ 9:38 PM EDT

A5 Many behaviors are associated with group work. Don’t grade these, rather work with students to improve areas for growth. #sblchat

jwalkup May 18 @ 9:38 PM EDT

@KatieWhite426 @hugghinss In most respects, I'm pro grades. But not this type of grade. #sblchat

MrLisekRPSA May 18 @ 9:38 PM EDT

A5: We do not get a clear understanding of each Ss knowledge growth. If one S has more knowledge, the lower student's is masked. #sblchat

lesliefarooq May 18 @ 9:38 PM EDT

@heidi_paterson Yes, I feel this too, but the #NGSS are easier to integrate and are heavy to skills (SEPs), so perhaps with time...#sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator May 18 @ 9:38 PM EDT

@lesliefarooq @PrincipalMKelly Keep working at it, student self-assessment is an important skill that we need to teach! #sblchat

TTmomTT May 18 @ 9:38 PM EDT

Yes! #sblchat https://t.co/ppsRZF7AIy

KatieBudrow May 18 @ 9:38 PM EDT

A5 This! #sblchat https://t.co/j6oJdKssuh

kenoc7 May 18 @ 9:38 PM EDT

YES, YES, YES. #sblchat. https://t.co/Zl563NTJfp

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:36 PM EDT
September learning should always be able to be replaced by more recent learning... #sblchat https://t.co/PWnx0NNkSU
- kenoc7 May 18 @ 9:33 PM EDT
  
  A4 Averaging distorts grades because result is skewed by outliers and because it makes Sept learning permanent. #sblchat.

garnet_hillman - Moderator May 18 @ 9:38 PM EDT

Ah, the classic group work meme... #sblchat https://t.co/WuxlupuOt9

KatieBudrow May 18 @ 9:38 PM EDT

A5 This! #sblchat https://t.co/j6oJdKssuh

geradcarrier May 18 @ 9:38 PM EDT

A5: students may learn in groups but must provide evidence of their own learning. No group grades! #sblchat

bethhill2829 May 18 @ 9:39 PM EDT

How to Grade for Learning by @kenoc7 is a great book--reading it now! #sblchat https://t.co/anIV5Y2PRn

hugghinss May 18 @ 9:37 PM EDT

@bethhill2829 Is there a particular blog post or book you would recommend to me as I am thinking of how to move to #SBG? @kenoc7

garnet_hillman - Moderator May 18 @ 9:39 PM EDT

RT Q5 How does grading group work distort grades? #sblchat

MrPodgorski May 18 @ 9:39 PM EDT

A5 disengages and fosters resentment. Groups aren't ss selected sometimes. #sblchat

PrincipalMKelly May 18 @ 9:39 PM EDT

@DouglasReeves much like marking periods! https://t.co/Jj0MVclyjt #sblchat

MrLogue May 18 @ 9:39 PM EDT

Grading group work is the only thing that relates to real life. One person does all the work while others take credit for it. #SBLChat

kenmattingly May 18 @ 9:39 PM EDT

A5 - T has no idea who did the group work. Have Ss work in groups, just assess them individually, Then grade not distorted. #sblchat

DouglasReeves May 18 @ 9:39 PM EDT

“They only do it if it counts” myth - see “Genius Hour” projects - exceptional work in W-WP NJ.. No grades. #sblchat

Americans2012 May 18 @ 9:39 PM EDT

Q5 group grade is only good for collaboration which is a crucial 21st century skill but it doesn't assess S knowledge of standard #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator May 18 @ 9:39 PM EDT

@DouglasReeves I had so much success with Genius Hour - never graded. #sblchat

bethhill2829 May 18 @ 9:39 PM EDT

@DouglasReeves I adore your wisdom! #sblchat

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:39 PM EDT

BAM!! #sblchat https://t.co/EMt9PlwyrR

kenoc7 May 18 @ 9:37 PM EDT
Me too Katie. I always talk about “grade determination” NOT “grade calculation.” #sblchat. https://t.co/RUTCDO0T95
- KatieWhite426 May 18 @ 9:34 PM EDT
  
  I prefer grade determination. #sblchat https://t.co/lw12gWwC2a
  
  PrincipalMKelly May 18 @ 9:31 PM EDT
  
  A4) I'd be happy if the word "average" was removed from grading vocabulary. It should be a grade calculation. #sblchat

MeganCMoMo May 18 @ 9:40 PM EDT

A5: One question: who learned? One researched, one scribed, one spoke, and one got pencils. Who learned? #sblchat

inhapull2 May 18 @ 9:40 PM EDT

강남물좋은 풀싸롱 #강남야구장01021543560 #강남풀싸롱01021543560 #선릉야구장01021543560 강남풀싸롱 강남야구장 #선릉풀싸롱 #sblchat

lesliefarooq May 18 @ 9:40 PM EDT

A5: I cannot assess what an individual S knows and understands via a group submission. It becomes an average of averages. #sblchat

DerrickJCameron May 18 @ 9:40 PM EDT

A5 What are you assessing in the group work? It's all about transparency #sblchat

TomSchimmer May 18 @ 9:40 PM EDT

A5: Individual verification is necessary. Add an individual component to group work to verify each stu achievement level. #sblchat

kenoc7 May 18 @ 9:40 PM EDT

This is wonderful. #sblchat. https://t.co/WYyZDrRRbV

KatieBudrow May 18 @ 9:38 PM EDT

A5 This! #sblchat https://t.co/j6oJdKssuh

RoySovis May 18 @ 9:40 PM EDT

.@MrLisekRPSA Nailed it! #sblchat

TTmomTT May 18 @ 9:40 PM EDT

A5: I hated group work. I did all the work because I (hang my head) wanted the grade. It doesn't require learning of all. #sblchat

bethhill2829 May 18 @ 9:40 PM EDT

I am on it! :) DM now! #sblchat https://t.co/221au1fKmy

DouglasReeves May 18 @ 9:40 PM EDT

@bethhill2829 Very kind of you - send me address and I’ll send my new grading books.

Americans2012 May 18 @ 9:40 PM EDT

@DouglasReeves agree they will do it it u make it engaging relevant and meaningful #sblchat

hugghinss May 18 @ 9:41 PM EDT

@bethhill2829 Thank you. I will add that to my current #SBL reading list. @kenoc7 #sblchat

KatieWhite426 May 18 @ 9:41 PM EDT

A5: I prefer to think of collaboration as a process for learning, practicing, developing...not grading #sblchat

blocht574 May 18 @ 9:41 PM EDT

@TomSchimmer @PrincipalMKelly True we shouldn't be averaging learning.. #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator May 18 @ 9:41 PM EDT

@TTmomTT Same for me - I wanted the grade and wasn't going to let anyone else be in control of it. #sblchat

RoySovis May 18 @ 9:41 PM EDT

A4 #sblchat https://t.co/t5D7SfWG4n

PrincipalMKelly May 18 @ 9:41 PM EDT

Group work can be the "instruction" or method of learning. Doesn't have to be assessed. Can have follow up individual assessment. #sblchat

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:42 PM EDT

This is where it's at! #sblchat https://t.co/AiOF2UUf5X

KatieWhite426 May 18 @ 9:41 PM EDT

A5: I prefer to think of collaboration as a process for learning, practicing, developing...not grading #sblchat

technolandy May 18 @ 9:42 PM EDT

A5 "group work" where what is learned is all different and the points don't matter! Like whose line is it? #sblchat

lesliefarooq May 18 @ 9:42 PM EDT

@RoweRikW That's very macabre of you, Rik! lol I will have you know that my life is no more a dash than a Ss knowledge is a number! #sblchat

TomSchimmer May 18 @ 9:42 PM EDT

A5 Group can be assessed for collab work (ie consensus, resolving conflict, roles & responsibilities) but proficiency for indv. #sblchat

DouglasReeves May 18 @ 9:42 PM EDT

Assessment and feedback do not require grades. From four horsemen of the grading apocalypse - Guskey, O’Connor, Wormeli and me. #sblchat

MrLogue May 18 @ 9:42 PM EDT

@DouglasReeves I teach a yearlong class with no grades. Ss do a ton of work for me. #SBLChat

fearlessteachrs May 18 @ 9:42 PM EDT

A5: Ss should be graded on the individual accountability of the groupwork and their ind. beh. #sblchat may be missing in many classrooms

MeganCMoMo May 18 @ 9:42 PM EDT

@kenoc7 @KatieWhite426 Yes! Avoid the grade is an average of OR your grade is calculated by. Determined by evidence shown is best. #sblchat

kenoc7 May 18 @ 9:42 PM EDT

Exactly, it is called “cooperative Learning,” not cooperative assessment. #sblchat. https://t.co/HDSoqprlf6

PrincipalMKelly May 18 @ 9:41 PM EDT

Group work can be the "instruction" or method of learning. Doesn't have to be assessed. Can have follow up individual assessment. #sblchat

technolandy May 18 @ 9:43 PM EDT

A5 coincidently, my daily blog was on committee/collaboration (aka group work for adults) https://t.co/uwu9deRsoM #sblchat

mrevansclass May 18 @ 9:43 PM EDT

A5: judging Ss based on group work is like judging Ts as a group. You have variety of effort/skills. Can't say all good/bad #sblchat

TTmomTT May 18 @ 9:43 PM EDT

I've never heard the 4 of you referred to that way. I love it and will use it! #sblchat https://t.co/YkrlAlYjBA

DouglasReeves May 18 @ 9:42 PM EDT

Assessment and feedback do not require grades. From four horsemen of the grading apocalypse - Guskey, O’Connor, Wormeli and me. #sblchat

kenmattingly May 18 @ 9:43 PM EDT

.@kenoc7 @rowerikw as @tomschimmer says, "As an adult, when's the last time it mattered that you used to not know something?" #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator May 18 @ 9:44 PM EDT

Q6 How do hard deadlines for all assignments/assessments distort grades? #sblchat

TomSchimmer May 18 @ 9:44 PM EDT

Not awful on 4pt scale @blocht574, but sample sizes should be limited to account for most recent/consistent perf @PrincipalMKelly #sblchat

DerrickJCameron May 18 @ 9:44 PM EDT

A5 it can be done accurately with clarity and triangulation of evidence...we must embrace the conversations and observations #sblchat

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:44 PM EDT

Here We Grow... #sblchat https://t.co/qBlMJOWESe

garnet_hillman - Moderator May 18 @ 9:44 PM EDT

Q6 How do hard deadlines for all assignments/assessments distort grades? #sblchat

RoySovis May 18 @ 9:44 PM EDT

A5 Well, it might be something like this: #sblchat https://t.co/VlubTMC0lC

bethhill2829 May 18 @ 9:44 PM EDT

By not checking off after 1 observation/ piece of evidence, but looking at multiple means of application. #sblchat https://t.co/DL6rrT5RPI

coachaldridge May 18 @ 9:43 PM EDT

@bethhill2829 I'm made a checklist is standards. How would you use this to assess learning?

kenoc7 May 18 @ 9:44 PM EDT

And it makes the point so well. #sblchat. https://t.co/lS4rmHHyii

kenmattingly May 18 @ 9:43 PM EDT

.@kenoc7 @rowerikw as @tomschimmer says, "As an adult, when's the last time it mattered that you used to not know something?" #sblchat

CoachLesterBHS May 18 @ 9:44 PM EDT

A6- Sets arbitrary timeline for how long learning should take #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator May 18 @ 9:45 PM EDT

A6 This is completely behavioral. If a student is consistently late with work, find out why and move forward together to improve. #sblchat

technolandy May 18 @ 9:45 PM EDT

So love "4 Horsemen of the Assesscalypse" #sblchat (reference you guys SO often!) https://t.co/UGQRbVq9f5

DouglasReeves May 18 @ 9:42 PM EDT

Assessment and feedback do not require grades. From four horsemen of the grading apocalypse - Guskey, O’Connor, Wormeli and me. #sblchat

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:45 PM EDT

A6 - We've seen so many Learners this year finally have their "got it" moment. So what if it's after "the test". Reassess! #sblchat

KatieBudrow May 18 @ 9:45 PM EDT

A6 Learning can take time. Some of the best work I've seen done by Ss has been when they are allowed to set their own pace. #sblchat

McLane_Ryan May 18 @ 9:45 PM EDT

A6: I know it but I left it on the kitchen table. Now my grade says I only half know it? #sblchat @garnet_hillman

bethhill2829 May 18 @ 9:45 PM EDT

But checklists are great because they help you keep track of how often you note evidence for learning. #sblchat https://t.co/DL6rrT5RPI

coachaldridge May 18 @ 9:43 PM EDT

@bethhill2829 I'm made a checklist is standards. How would you use this to assess learning?

kenmattingly May 18 @ 9:45 PM EDT

A6 - Learning is not lockstep for all. Grade the destination, not the journey. If it takes some longer to learn, so what? #sblchat

TomSchimmer May 18 @ 9:45 PM EDT

A6: Students don't know less b/c they hand-in something 2 days after it was desired; lower the score & that's what we're saying #sblchat

eatsleepstats May 18 @ 9:45 PM EDT

Latest pod: Culture. Coming soon: standards-based grading. This chat will be a big help! https://t.co/bvO0WyMFmX #sblchat #edchatme

PLearnMC May 18 @ 9:45 PM EDT

Latest pod: Culture. Coming soon: standards-based grading. This chat will be a big help! https://t.co/OJkXG0AFHW #sblchat #edchatme

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:45 PM EDT

Reassessing OFTEN generates SO much Learning! #sblchat https://t.co/FdGXF7Bw6Y

KatieBudrow May 18 @ 9:45 PM EDT

A6 Learning can take time. Some of the best work I've seen done by Ss has been when they are allowed to set their own pace. #sblchat

geradcarrier May 18 @ 9:46 PM EDT

A6: hard deadlines add a behavioral element into the learning process - just determines how fast someone learns something #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator May 18 @ 9:46 PM EDT

A6 Deadlines are important, and Ss will work diligently to meet them. Don’t deflate a grade for a S who needs more time. #sblchat

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:46 PM EDT

A6 - How can we set hard deadlines FOR Learning? #STOPIT Learning, like love, takes time. Please be patient with Expert Learners! #sblchat

KatieWhite426 May 18 @ 9:46 PM EDT

A5: We have a professional responsibility to assess for & report degrees of learning of standards.We must be accurate & transparent #sblchat

Americans2012 May 18 @ 9:46 PM EDT

@fearlessteachrs ifu want2 grade on participation and collaboration create separate standards do not include them in subject stand #sblchat

TTmomTT May 18 @ 9:46 PM EDT

A6: We need to record and address late work. It's an important skill. It should NOT reflect in the grade only knowledge. #sblchat

MrPodgorski May 18 @ 9:46 PM EDT

A6 punishes for the process of learning. Took me longer? I get less? What? #sblchat

heidi_paterson May 18 @ 9:46 PM EDT

@PrincipalMKelly I like giving formative feedback on group work process, interactions, etc. #sblchat

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:46 PM EDT

Therefore, #STOPIT #sblchat https://t.co/IxJEzf1NVr

geradcarrier May 18 @ 9:46 PM EDT

A6: hard deadlines add a behavioral element into the learning process - just determines how fast someone learns something #sblchat

kenoc7 May 18 @ 9:46 PM EDT

Can we have more than 4? I can think of some people I would like to add. #sblchat. https://t.co/R0cVKEK37g

technolandy May 18 @ 9:45 PM EDT
So love "4 Horsemen of the Assesscalypse" #sblchat (reference you guys SO often!) https://t.co/UGQRbVq9f5
- DouglasReeves May 18 @ 9:42 PM EDT
  
  Assessment and feedback do not require grades. From four horsemen of the grading apocalypse - Guskey, O’Connor, Wormeli and me. #sblchat

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:47 PM EDT

A6 - Our Learners are empowered to keep at it when we don't set hard deadlines, but know that acquisition of skills takes time. #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator May 18 @ 9:47 PM EDT

RT Q6 How do hard deadlines for all assignments/assessments distort grades? #sblchat

technolandy May 18 @ 9:47 PM EDT

A6 like zeros, are deadlines ever actually followed? #sblchat https://t.co/by7cFAHP47

garnet_hillman - Moderator May 18 @ 9:47 PM EDT

@MrPodgorski And we wonder why kids struggle with motivation? #sblchat

TomSchimmer May 18 @ 9:47 PM EDT

A6: Assessing the missing of deadlines as part of their "attribute/characteristic" grade; keep it away from proficiency #sblchat

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:47 PM EDT

Thank you! #sblchat https://t.co/h8F22rvKNE

MrPodgorski May 18 @ 9:46 PM EDT

A6 punishes for the process of learning. Took me longer? I get less? What? #sblchat

kirk_humphreys May 18 @ 9:47 PM EDT

BAM #sblchat https://t.co/KeGd5PP3tb

garnet_hillman - Moderator May 18 @ 9:46 PM EDT

A6 Deadlines are important, and Ss will work diligently to meet them. Don’t deflate a grade for a S who needs more time. #sblchat

MeganCMoMo May 18 @ 9:47 PM EDT

A6: Why is a task submitted on a DUE date more important than understanding achieved by the learner? #sblchat

bethhill2829 May 18 @ 9:47 PM EDT

A6: When kids turn in work late and we take points off, but the learning is evident, what are we assessing? #sblchat

MrLogue May 18 @ 9:47 PM EDT

I wish the bank treated my mortgage payment like an assignment when it is late. "I don't care why it's late. I won't accept it." #SBLChat

hugghinss May 18 @ 9:48 PM EDT

@CFCurriculum @bethhill2829 @kenoc7 Awesome. I have so much to learn, and thanks to #sblchat I have some great resources.

bethhill2829 May 18 @ 9:48 PM EDT

@coachaldridge Constant learning for sure! There is no easy answer with assessing learning. #sblchat

DerrickJCameron May 18 @ 9:48 PM EDT

A6 all Ss learn at different rates. there R important skills 2 be reinforced, resiliency, feedback and the importance of deadlines #sblchat

DouglasReeves May 18 @ 9:48 PM EDT

@kenoc7 More then 4 horsemen? No extra credit for you, Ken - either it fits with my literary allusion or it doesn’t. #sblchat

PeaceLoveMHeine May 18 @ 9:48 PM EDT

@garnet_hillman I am seriously stressed about this right now. So many students not on track to complete by the end of the year. #sblchat

MrLisekRPSA May 18 @ 9:48 PM EDT

@DouglasReeves Our admin require a grade. I wait until the last moment to enter mine. Feedback to Ss during learning helps growth. #sblchat

MrLogue May 18 @ 9:48 PM EDT

(I've never really been late with a mortgage payment. It was just an example.) #SBLChat

WillCounty92 May 18 @ 9:48 PM EDT

A6. I agree that many systems are too rigid, but there has to be a middle ground that is also manageable for hard-working teachers. #sblchat

fearlessteachrs May 18 @ 9:48 PM EDT

A5: example of individual scoring on groupwork https://t.co/8J0cdwZ6gi #sblchat

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:48 PM EDT

Say it again, but LOUDER, Bethany! #sblchat https://t.co/H3x5jp4QLZ

bethhill2829 May 18 @ 9:47 PM EDT

A6: When kids turn in work late and we take points off, but the learning is evident, what are we assessing? #sblchat

KellyNPipes May 18 @ 9:48 PM EDT

@kenoc7 #sblchat Marzano method I'm using: 3.00-4.00 = A 2.50-2.99 = B 2.00-2.49 = C 1.50-1.99 = D Below 1.50 = F

TomSchimmer May 18 @ 9:49 PM EDT

A6: Why don't we "add 10% per day an assignment is early?" Every reason is exactly the reason why late penalties are inaccurate #sblchat

PLearnMC May 18 @ 9:49 PM EDT

A6: Hard deadlines are a power play by the teacher. Doesn't always help learners. #sblchat

mrevansclass May 18 @ 9:49 PM EDT

A6: never say, "By this date you WILL learn this standard!" Who says you'll teach it well enough the first time?#sblchat

bethhill2829 May 18 @ 9:49 PM EDT

@hugghinss @CFCurriculum @kenoc7 I also just ordered Assessment 3.0 by @markbarnes19 and can't wait to read it. #sblchat

Americans2012 May 18 @ 9:49 PM EDT

@garnet_hillman yes world is full of successful procrastinators it's just how they operate #sblchat a6

heidi_paterson May 18 @ 9:49 PM EDT

A6: I prefer to ask why mutually decided deadline is inadequate. I have a responsibility to my entire class to provide timely fb #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator May 18 @ 9:49 PM EDT

@PeaceLoveMHeine When we get to the end of a marking period, we have to report where the students are in relation to the standards. #sblchat

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:49 PM EDT

@KSukEDUC @DouglasReeves Yes Ken O'Connor! #sblchat

technolandy May 18 @ 9:49 PM EDT

A6 my approach to (too many) deadlines #sblchat https://t.co/zZrkNfOEqV

MrLisekRPSA May 18 @ 9:49 PM EDT

A6: Some Ss take longer to gain knowledge. Time frame kills their drive and makes them feel like failures. #sblchat

RoySovis May 18 @ 9:49 PM EDT

A6 They don’t because Hard Deadlines are real and only exist in the real world. Wait for it… Yes! Sarcasm! :) #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator May 18 @ 9:50 PM EDT

@TomSchimmer But unfortunately that happens too... #sblchat

kenoc7 May 18 @ 9:50 PM EDT

Actually banks have forgiveness depending on circumstances, for some of which you can buy insurance. #sblchat. https://t.co/qAxvqD5Q5f

MrLogue May 18 @ 9:47 PM EDT

I wish the bank treated my mortgage payment like an assignment when it is late. "I don't care why it's late. I won't accept it." #SBLChat

mrterborg May 18 @ 9:50 PM EDT

#sblchat @TTmomTT @technolandy This is for you. https://t.co/zObXvSMtkW

wardjhs May 18 @ 9:46 PM EDT

A2: Ss own their learning, track progress, review difficult concepts. +more time 2 collaborate w/groups. #Gueri11aEd https://t.co/2iXaFDr32a

PeaceLoveMHeine May 18 @ 9:50 PM EDT

@garnet_hillman yes...that would help. I have to give a number grade...what do I give if they haven't taken the assessment yet? #sblchat

hugghinss May 18 @ 9:50 PM EDT

A6: If a teacher is truly utilizing differentiation, hard and fast deadlines are nonexistent. #sblchat

heidi_paterson May 18 @ 9:50 PM EDT

A6: In the sciences, I have "B" assignments. If they don't do the first one, they get the 2nd one w/diff numbers or rephrased Q's #sblchat

MeganCMoMo May 18 @ 9:50 PM EDT

@PeaceLoveMHeine @garnet_hillman Me too. I use final as last evidence & explain that moving on in math means you must have learned. #sblchat

PeaceLoveMHeine May 18 @ 9:50 PM EDT

@garnet_hillman and sorry...I just jumped in abruptly. #sblchat

bethhill2829 May 18 @ 9:50 PM EDT

@KatieWhite426 @hugghinss @CFCurriculum @kenoc7 @TomSchimmer Thanks! I need to order that one! #sblchat

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:50 PM EDT

Clever spin... #sblchat https://t.co/Y85ZfguVqn

TomSchimmer May 18 @ 9:49 PM EDT

A6: Why don't we "add 10% per day an assignment is early?" Every reason is exactly the reason why late penalties are inaccurate #sblchat

kenoc7 May 18 @ 9:50 PM EDT

@DouglasReeves OK. #sblchat.

mrevansclass May 18 @ 9:50 PM EDT

A6: deadlines can be useful at times i.e., essay is due on this date and we will work to complete it by then. #sblchat

fearlessteachrs May 18 @ 9:51 PM EDT

A6: I only take off points when timeliness impacts the activity like in an online discussion forum; I even struggle with that #sblchat

TomSchimmer May 18 @ 9:51 PM EDT

A6: Struggling learners have 3-4 days to complete work after deadline or they might as well not bother; when handed-in it's an F. #sblchat

TTmomTT May 18 @ 9:51 PM EDT

@mrterborg @technolandy LOL!!! #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator May 18 @ 9:51 PM EDT

@PeaceLoveMHeine Take whatever evidence you have and compare it to the standard. No evidence? Be relentless in the pursuit. #sblchat

hugghinss May 18 @ 9:51 PM EDT

@bethhill2829 @CFCurriculum @kenoc7 @markbarnes19 I recently read it, and it is great. I plan to read it again after school is out #SBLChat

fearlessteachrs May 18 @ 9:51 PM EDT

@Americans2012 That is ideal if you have a gradebook that allows for that #sblchat YES

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:51 PM EDT

#udlchat #sblchat https://t.co/7F5wuNhqpa

hugghinss May 18 @ 9:50 PM EDT

A6: If a teacher is truly utilizing differentiation, hard and fast deadlines are nonexistent. #sblchat

TomSchimmer May 18 @ 9:52 PM EDT

Thank-you @bethhill2829 and for the mention @KatieWhite426! #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator May 18 @ 9:52 PM EDT

Q7 How does assessing with a ‘one and done’ policy distort grades? #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator May 18 @ 9:52 PM EDT

@PeaceLoveMHeine No apology necessary, we are glad to have every voice in #sblchat!

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:52 PM EDT

@PeaceLoveMHeine Megan, so glad you did! @garnet_hillman #sblchat

RoySovis May 18 @ 9:52 PM EDT

A6 It takes focus off learning overall, places it on very soft skills that belong in a separate “score” or form of feedback #sblchat

CoachLesterBHS May 18 @ 9:52 PM EDT

A7- Allows for all sorts of inaccuracies. Ss have a bad day, or a good day, and Ts don't know what Ss can do/know #sblchat

TomSchimmer May 18 @ 9:52 PM EDT

A7: Some kids take longer to learn. "One-and-done" doesn't honor that truth #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator May 18 @ 9:53 PM EDT

A7 “No one knows how long it takes for anyone to learn anything.” Dr. Tae #sblchat https://t.co/IEPvB84vZQ

fearlessteachrs May 18 @ 9:53 PM EDT

@Americans2012 They can be related to subject standards though too. Asking questions is related to CCSS sp. & list. for ex. #sblchat

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:53 PM EDT

A7 - Not only does a 'one and one' distort grades, but hampers learning and prevents a #GrowthMindset. Please Reassess! #sblchat

KatieBudrow May 18 @ 9:53 PM EDT

A7 Doesn't honor the natural learning process. Learning never stops. Why should the ways we use to measure it? #sblchat

mrevansclass May 18 @ 9:53 PM EDT

A6: most deadlines are the equivalent of standardized tests that say, "Let's see how smart you are in the next half hour." #sblchat

kenoc7 May 18 @ 9:53 PM EDT

@KellyNPipes Why 1.0 for A, 0.49 for B, C, & D, & 1.49 for an F. A very unequal (can I say loaded) scale. #sblchat. https://t.co/bEbdYbedkj

KellyNPipes May 18 @ 9:48 PM EDT

@kenoc7 #sblchat Marzano method I'm using: 3.00-4.00 = A 2.50-2.99 = B 2.00-2.49 = C 1.50-1.99 = D Below 1.50 = F

KatieWhite426 May 18 @ 9:53 PM EDT

A6: I think we may need to do a better job of observing, documenting, and setting interim deadlines so we always have some info. #sblchat

TTmomTT May 18 @ 9:54 PM EDT

A7: So if you don't learn it the first time you don't get to learn it? That's just ridiculous. We all need more time sometimes. #sblchat

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:54 PM EDT

We need to #MakeLearningPersonal #sblchat https://t.co/oJa5qzbkBo

TomSchimmer May 18 @ 9:52 PM EDT

A7: Some kids take longer to learn. "One-and-done" doesn't honor that truth #sblchat

DRich0696 May 18 @ 9:54 PM EDT

A7: It doesn't represent what level the student is at NOW - only at one point in time. #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator May 18 @ 9:54 PM EDT

RT Q7 How does assessing with a ‘one and done’ policy distort grades? #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator May 18 @ 9:54 PM EDT

A7 Redos, retakes, and reassessment are key to the learning process. We can’t impose our timelines on Ss to determine a grade. #sblchat

Americans2012 May 18 @ 9:54 PM EDT

@fearlessteachrs I as a tech coach put in all of our standards works great behavior & subject knowledge must b separated #sblchat

mrevansclass May 18 @ 9:54 PM EDT

A7: like trying to find a soul mate on the first date. Can't analyze Ss learning from one test. Silly and arrogant approach #sblchat

kenoc7 May 18 @ 9:54 PM EDT

Suggest you add books on grading by @TomSchimmer and @myrondueck #sblchat. https://t.co/bWSTzxvCJw

bethhill2829 May 18 @ 9:49 PM EDT

@hugghinss @CFCurriculum @kenoc7 I also just ordered Assessment 3.0 by @markbarnes19 and can't wait to read it. #sblchat

TomSchimmer May 18 @ 9:54 PM EDT

Agree @teachtoeach! Need to respond w/ intensity to reconcile missing work; avoid punitive. Has to be "you're doing this...today!" #sblchat

TTmomTT May 18 @ 9:54 PM EDT

@technolandy @mrterborg My kids feel the same way! #sblchat

DouglasReeves May 18 @ 9:54 PM EDT

Re: The “retake” debate. rather than many times on same test, why not alternative evidence of proficiency? #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator May 18 @ 9:55 PM EDT

Tonight I send out a heartfelt thank you to my #sblchat PLN. I'll be at my son's school event next week so this is my last of the year!

RoySovis May 18 @ 9:55 PM EDT

A7 Who ever “gets it” in a “one and done” fashion? Did Einstein, Bell, Tesla, Ford, Edison, etc? #sblchat

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:55 PM EDT

#sblchat Dating...? #sblchat https://t.co/4yRMyMqURi

mrevansclass May 18 @ 9:54 PM EDT

A7: like trying to find a soul mate on the first date. Can't analyze Ss learning from one test. Silly and arrogant approach #sblchat

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:55 PM EDT

#sblchat Dating...? #sblchat https://t.co/4yRMyMqURi

mrevansclass May 18 @ 9:54 PM EDT

A7: like trying to find a soul mate on the first date. Can't analyze Ss learning from one test. Silly and arrogant approach #sblchat

mrterborg May 18 @ 9:55 PM EDT

@TTmomTT @technolandy Sounds like you have two critical thinkers. Nicely done. #sblchat

MeganCMoMo May 18 @ 9:55 PM EDT

A7: If there is purpose in learning something it should never be one & done. It doesn't express the value or importance of learning.#sblchat

bethhill2829 May 18 @ 9:55 PM EDT

@kenoc7 @TomSchimmer @myrondueck Thanks Ken! #sblchat

KellyNPipes May 18 @ 9:55 PM EDT

@kenoc7 My first year using sbg. Decided to trust ed research experts and then reflect/evaluate the conversion. #sblchat

Americans2012 May 18 @ 9:55 PM EDT

@fearlessteachrs true but if ur assessing s on knowledge of a standard has nothing 2 do with plays well with other :-) #sblchat

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:55 PM EDT

This... #sblchat https://t.co/xbdptsADp5

DouglasReeves May 18 @ 9:54 PM EDT

Re: The “retake” debate. rather than many times on same test, why not alternative evidence of proficiency? #sblchat

TomSchimmer May 18 @ 9:56 PM EDT

A7: Reassessment can't just be a do-over; has to be a process of continual learning based on targeted instruction...then reverify #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator May 18 @ 9:56 PM EDT

You will be in the awesome hands of @RoweRikW next week to finish off a wonderful year of #sblchat. Thank you so much my friend!

RoySovis May 18 @ 9:56 PM EDT

A7 There are several factors that can interfere with demonstrating learning and you never know when they may interfere #sblchat

DouglasReeves May 18 @ 9:56 PM EDT

Thanks, moderators and colleagues, for another great discussion. #sblchat https://t.co/9td2zVw02X

mrevansclass May 18 @ 9:56 PM EDT

@RoweRikW just trying to find a comparison:) #sblchat

MeganCMoMo May 18 @ 9:56 PM EDT

Yes! Isn't the Aug to June calendar imposition enough!! #sblchat https://t.co/jJieytzco5

garnet_hillman - Moderator May 18 @ 9:54 PM EDT

A7 Redos, retakes, and reassessment are key to the learning process. We can’t impose our timelines on Ss to determine a grade. #sblchat

kenoc7 May 18 @ 9:56 PM EDT

Virtually all grade books allow for this now if teachers are allowed to use them that way. #sblchat. https://t.co/xQTFdEpPJn

fearlessteachrs May 18 @ 9:51 PM EDT

@Americans2012 That is ideal if you have a gradebook that allows for that #sblchat YES

geradcarrier May 18 @ 9:56 PM EDT

#sblchat Thanks for tonight everyone - pls let me know if your district has adopted SBG - trying to compile list.

kenmattingly May 18 @ 9:56 PM EDT

A7 - One and done doesn't allow for continued learning. Why try when you struggle early? There's no hope of recovery. #sblchat

KatieWhite426 May 18 @ 9:56 PM EDT

A7: One and done wouldn't even be "a thing" if we formatively assessed until all were sure of readiness for summative #sblchat

mctownsley May 18 @ 9:56 PM EDT

@garnet_hillman thank you for the invitation, GH! I wish I could have made it. #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator May 18 @ 9:57 PM EDT

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heidi_paterson May 18 @ 9:57 PM EDT

A7: Too many factors can impact assessments. Creates stress b/c of how results are used & fractured relationships b/n Ss & Ts #sblchat

WillCounty92 May 18 @ 9:57 PM EDT

A7. Lots of flaws with such systems, but can't ignore that we are sending Ss to U's where finals loom large in determining grades. #sblchat

Scotts79x May 18 @ 9:57 PM EDT

RT dursonj: RT Kmanna15: Q2: Zeros dramatically lower student grades and motivation. Failing 6 or 7 times over on one assignment #sblchat

technolandy May 18 @ 9:57 PM EDT

@garnet_hillman it sucks when it's inconvenient for the adults...but if better for the learner...! Kinda the point. #sblchat

MrLogue May 18 @ 9:57 PM EDT

@DouglasReeves And reteach dangit! If they didn't know it before, giving them another test won't help. #SBLChat

TTmomTT May 18 @ 9:57 PM EDT

@garnet_hillman Thank you for your time every week. @RoweRikW will take good care of us next week. #sblchat

kenmattingly May 18 @ 9:57 PM EDT

Preach! #sblchat https://t.co/fQ3unFSRxY

TomSchimmer May 18 @ 9:52 PM EDT

A7: Some kids take longer to learn. "One-and-done" doesn't honor that truth #sblchat

garnet_hillman - Moderator May 18 @ 9:58 PM EDT

@TTmomTT @RoweRikW That he will! #sblchat

KatieWhite426 May 18 @ 9:58 PM EDT

Please consider adding your voice to this chat next Tues. Have your say! #sblchat #ATAssess https://t.co/eznOTDWmeO

kenoc7 May 18 @ 9:58 PM EDT

@garnet_hillman Thanks for everything you do to make #sblchat great @garnet_hillman

TomSchimmer May 18 @ 9:58 PM EDT

Thanks for the endorsement @kenoc7. Much appreciated! Cheers! #sblchat

KatieBudrow May 18 @ 9:59 PM EDT

Thanks for another great one, #sblchat! Always so great to learn with you all!!

MrMillerAHS May 18 @ 9:59 PM EDT

Over tweeting but again could we help out this S by retweeting and doing this 3 question survey https://t.co/n4TqHAIahr #ohedchat #sblchat

fearlessteachrs May 18 @ 9:59 PM EDT

@Americans2012 if u r assessing sp. & list. than that is not plays well wit other & can be assessed within a group #sblchat

kenmattingly May 18 @ 9:59 PM EDT

The consequences of not doing the work is you do the work! #sblchat Hey @POWERofICU https://t.co/rzzfxSTAEZ

TomSchimmer May 18 @ 9:54 PM EDT

Agree @teachtoeach! Need to respond w/ intensity to reconcile missing work; avoid punitive. Has to be "you're doing this...today!" #sblchat

MrLisekRPSA May 18 @ 9:59 PM EDT

A7: S: "I didn't get it the first time, so I guess I'll never get it." We Ts need to show that growth is the goal. #sblchat

RoweRikW May 18 @ 9:59 PM EDT

@KatieBudrow Thank you Katie! Tonight has inspired many! #sblchat

technolandy May 18 @ 9:59 PM EDT

2 more on the "4 horsemen (or some number like that because math is hard😜) of assesscalypse" #sblchat https://t.co/2SwmAJtUh2

kenoc7 May 18 @ 9:54 PM EDT
Suggest you add books on grading by @TomSchimmer and @myrondueck #sblchat. https://t.co/bWSTzxvCJw
- bethhill2829 May 18 @ 9:49 PM EDT
  
  @hugghinss @CFCurriculum @kenoc7 I also just ordered Assessment 3.0 by @markbarnes19 and can't wait to read it. #sblchat

TomSchimmer May 18 @ 9:59 PM EDT

Another week where @garnet_hillman and @RoweRikW brought the #sblchat heat!! Awesome hour everyone!! Have a great rest of the week!