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CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Oct 5 @ 12:00 PM EDT

Welcome to #IOLchat! Who is joining in today? Today's topic: Maintaining Motivation for #OnlineLearning

philosophypaul Oct 5 @ 12:02 PM EDT

@CenterOnlineEd Paul visiting #IOLchat today. Gotta stay motivated.

CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Oct 5 @ 12:03 PM EDT

@philosophypaul Hello, Paul! Great to see you. #iolchat

ceasom Oct 5 @ 12:03 PM EDT

Hello from Colin Easom with Pima Medical Institute in sunny Tucson, AZ! #iolchat

jshamsy Oct 5 @ 12:03 PM EDT

Hello ... Happy Wednesday #iolchat Jennifer from ATL - online adjunct

CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Oct 5 @ 12:03 PM EDT

@ceasom @jshamsy Hello you two! #iolchat

ceasom Oct 5 @ 12:03 PM EDT

OMG @jshamsy and @ceasom together at #iolchat ?

CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Oct 5 @ 12:05 PM EDT

Today we are talking about student motivation. Q1 coming up ... #InsideOnlineLearning #iolchat

jshamsy Oct 5 @ 12:05 PM EDT

@ceasom the sky is falling .. it is raining 😺and 🐶s :-) #iolchat

jshamsy Oct 5 @ 12:06 PM EDT

@philosophypaul hi Paul... nice to see ya! #iolchat

jshamsy Oct 5 @ 12:08 PM EDT

@philosophypaul @CenterOnlineEd that's true... are you bracing for some Melissa? #iolchat

CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Oct 5 @ 12:08 PM EDT

Don't say (hurricane). I'm trying to wish it away at the moment.... #iolchat

TruthWFlair Oct 5 @ 12:09 PM EDT

#IOLchat Keeping to a schedule. Other fields they do a reverse funnel - works for edu. too! The top is a thesis. 5H… https://t.co/gvGLnvLqJp

CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Oct 5 @ 12:09 PM EDT

@jshamsy @philosophypaul Oh yes, watching very, very closely and putting a plan together. #iolchat

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10 Doubts Teachers have About Teaching Coding https://t.co/saMvYWmkCM #iolchat #LDchat

CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Oct 5 @ 12:11 PM EDT

Q1) What challenges do online students face in completing courses and programs? #onlineEd #motivation #iolchat

ceasom Oct 5 @ 12:12 PM EDT

A1) Most students underestimate time commitment, some struggle with time mgt and flexible hours #iolchat

jshamsy Oct 5 @ 12:13 PM EDT

@CenterOnlineEd workload/time management and organization #iolchat

CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Oct 5 @ 12:13 PM EDT

@ceasom Do you think we are still dealing with the myth that "online learning is easier?" #iolchat

jshamsy Oct 5 @ 12:13 PM EDT

@ceasom yes! Flexibility is a major selling point. Most have trouble managing it #iolchat

CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Oct 5 @ 12:14 PM EDT

@jshamsy All excellent points - you've got an interesting perspective on this! What do you do to stay organized? #iolchat

jshamsy Oct 5 @ 12:14 PM EDT

Isolation...poor course design .. being proactive #iolchat

philosophypaul Oct 5 @ 12:14 PM EDT

@CenterOnlineEd A1 Completion is tied to motivation. Overbooking, under-attending, failure to connect, procrastination all factors #iolchat

ceasom Oct 5 @ 12:14 PM EDT

@CenterOnlineEd For sure! The myth that online is easier is still alive, unfortunately! #iolchat

jshamsy Oct 5 @ 12:15 PM EDT

@CenterOnlineEd have to find a system and stick with it - usually less is more a simple calendar, something portable for notes/text #iolchat

CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Oct 5 @ 12:15 PM EDT

@philosophypaul Right! A course doesn't just complete itself. Lots of action must be taken in a purposeful way. #iolchat

massignmenthelp Oct 5 @ 12:15 PM EDT

Online Learning: Benefits of Online Education https://t.co/sBEBdm05sb #iolchat #LDchat

ceasom Oct 5 @ 12:16 PM EDT

We have students write a goal statement during orientation. We send back to them when they feel unmotivated. It's worked well! #iolchat

jshamsy Oct 5 @ 12:16 PM EDT

@philosophypaul @CenterOnlineEd this is a great cause and effect here - it can be a cycle #iolchat

philosophypaul Oct 5 @ 12:16 PM EDT

Online is easier is a misperception arising from asynchronous nature and perhaps limited design #IOLchat https://t.co/pxFwKoTJkv

CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Oct 5 @ 12:13 PM EDT

@ceasom Do you think we are still dealing with the myth that "online learning is easier?" #iolchat

CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Oct 5 @ 12:16 PM EDT

@ceasom Love this idea! We could all do something like it for school, work, etc. A nice reminder of why we started down this road. #iolchat

jshamsy Oct 5 @ 12:17 PM EDT

@ceasom @CenterOnlineEd online learning is a general term - encompasses so many things - apples & oranges #iolchat

TruthWFlair Oct 5 @ 12:17 PM EDT

#IOLchat A1 Lol, I am so not the person to ask that I Do think that online learning is easier!

jshamsy Oct 5 @ 12:17 PM EDT

@ceasom @CenterOnlineEd some are easier, some are harder in different ways - it is a loaded question #iolchat

CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Oct 5 @ 12:18 PM EDT

@TruthWFlair Hello, Anne! Please tell us more! How do you stay motivated in online classes? #iolchat

jshamsy Oct 5 @ 12:18 PM EDT

@TruthWFlair why do you think it is easier? #iolchat

CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Oct 5 @ 12:18 PM EDT

@jshamsy @ceasom Yes, indeed. Was working on defining this for a survey last week - definitely needs context. #iolchat

jshamsy Oct 5 @ 12:20 PM EDT

Online is a medium - the content should be the same in theory... so why is this medium more challenging? #iolchat

CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Oct 5 @ 12:20 PM EDT

#IOLchat tips for online students - stay motivated! https://t.co/Y3Z3hcP5Po

TruthWFlair Oct 5 @ 12:19 PM EDT

@CenterOnlineEd Syllabuses. I make a calendar so I know when to get started on things and mark the prev week. It helped me teach too.

CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Oct 5 @ 12:21 PM EDT

#IOLchat - learning preferences play a role in motivation https://t.co/MRT4NgNXKO

TruthWFlair Oct 5 @ 12:20 PM EDT

@CenterOnlineEd I'm a serious introvert so I don't actually gain anything from sitting in a class. Make sure kids are in the right classes!

TruthWFlair Oct 5 @ 12:21 PM EDT

@jshamsy I make my own pace #IolChat. Working and going to school is hard bc of scheduling- but a lot of us do it. Teaching online gets a ".

FrankPiekarz Oct 5 @ 12:21 PM EDT

Invited my hs level Intro to Teaching students to check out ed chats today - thanks for being here! #iolchat #LDchat

jshamsy Oct 5 @ 12:21 PM EDT

I think harder because you lack cues supporting awareness//support from others//lack of rigidity in daily schedule #iolchat

CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Oct 5 @ 12:21 PM EDT

Thoughts? RT @jshamsy Online is a medium - the content should be the same in theory... so why is this medium more challenging? #iolchat

CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Oct 5 @ 12:22 PM EDT

@FrankPiekarz Glad to have you and your students involved! :) #iolchat

TruthWFlair Oct 5 @ 12:22 PM EDT

@jshamsy #OnlineLearning #iolchat Because you can't touch it- I taught computers to adult learners- that was always the first obstacle.

ceasom Oct 5 @ 12:22 PM EDT

@CenterOnlineEd Content concepts should be the same, but actual content may change slightly due to method of delivery in online #iolchat

jshamsy Oct 5 @ 12:23 PM EDT

@TruthWFlair I think it is context - you have already mastered many of the skills that will challenge others in online learning #iolchat

CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Oct 5 @ 12:23 PM EDT

"Easier" may not be a real benefit. It could translate to "boring" and "irrelevant." #iolchat

philosophypaul Oct 5 @ 12:23 PM EDT

@FrankPiekarz Welcome Intro to Teaching students to #IOLchat @Melissa_Venable will give you some challenging ideas.

jshamsy Oct 5 @ 12:24 PM EDT

@philosophypaul @TruthWFlair maybe instead of learning we should say successfully mastering the medium is hard for many #iolchat

FrankPiekarz Oct 5 @ 12:24 PM EDT

DGN Intro to Teaching students learning the power of educational chats via Twitter this morning! #99learns #WeAreDGN #iolchat #LDchat

jshamsy Oct 5 @ 12:25 PM EDT

@ceasom @CenterOnlineEd yes.. Thanks for mentioning the difference #iolchat

philosophypaul Oct 5 @ 12:25 PM EDT

Too boring to finish? #iolchat https://t.co/ZO0pPCyENT

CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Oct 5 @ 12:23 PM EDT

"Easier" may not be a real benefit. It could translate to "boring" and "irrelevant." #iolchat

ceasom Oct 5 @ 12:25 PM EDT

@jshamsy Good point... student may thrive in one medium and not another. Learning environment is a big factor in learning "success" #iolchat

TruthWFlair Oct 5 @ 12:26 PM EDT

@philosophypaul #IOLChat #OnlineLearning yes! Difficult means many steps, but hard means "heavy". A toolkit helps do it- until then print!

CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Oct 5 @ 12:26 PM EDT

@philosophypaul Maybe. Also possibly too boring to pay much attention to - do the minimum, check the boxes, etc. #iolchat

philosophypaul Oct 5 @ 12:26 PM EDT

@FrankPiekarz Invite student to follow @Melissa_Venable and schedule #IOLchat or other chats. Build their PLN as they go.

CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Oct 5 @ 12:26 PM EDT

@philosophypaul Do you think one "boring" class could keep someone from finishing a program? #iolchat

ceasom Oct 5 @ 12:27 PM EDT

@philosophypaul Students may well give up if not feeling challenged enough #iolchat

philosophypaul Oct 5 @ 12:28 PM EDT

Boring can be a design problem. #IOlchat https://t.co/WBRUFrRDA6

CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Oct 5 @ 12:26 PM EDT

@philosophypaul Maybe. Also possibly too boring to pay much attention to - do the minimum, check the boxes, etc. #iolchat

jshamsy Oct 5 @ 12:28 PM EDT

to bring to motivation-think many get frustrated looking for similar cues/patterns found in classroom lrng don't exist online #iolchat

CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Oct 5 @ 12:28 PM EDT

@TruthWFlair @philosophypaul Good distinction! Learning can be hard, but we don't want the process to be unnecessarily difficult. #iolchat

jshamsy Oct 5 @ 12:28 PM EDT

@CenterOnlineEd @philosophypaul then learning is over - you are just checking boxes #iolchat #nobenefit

jshamsy Oct 5 @ 12:29 PM EDT

@CenterOnlineEd @philosophypaul depends why enrolled - Desired outcomes - not everything will be exciting-relevance more important #iolchat

CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Oct 5 @ 12:30 PM EDT

Q2) Do you think there is an expectation among online students, that courses will be engaging, motivating, etc? by design? #iolchat

CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Oct 5 @ 12:31 PM EDT

It also seems like that first online course can really set the tone, regarding student motivation. Would you agree? #iolchat

philosophypaul Oct 5 @ 12:32 PM EDT

@CenterOnlineEd A2 Ss expect value for their investment online. Poor design is a quick fix that does not satisfy or motivate. #IOLchat

philosophypaul Oct 5 @ 12:33 PM EDT

Motivation may be tied to motive to commit to the process. #IOLchat https://t.co/hNHeQD0Bb5

jshamsy Oct 5 @ 12:29 PM EDT

@CenterOnlineEd @philosophypaul depends why enrolled - Desired outcomes - not everything will be exciting-relevance more important #iolchat

jshamsy Oct 5 @ 12:33 PM EDT

@CenterOnlineEd I think they underestimate the intrinsic motivation need and that there is a lot more seeking out info #iolchat

jshamsy Oct 5 @ 12:33 PM EDT

@CenterOnlineEd agreed!!! That is why an online program must be an aligned program #iolchat

TruthWFlair Oct 5 @ 12:33 PM EDT

#iolchat A2) The thing about online learning- it's almost always costly. At 3K a course- I get Really annoyed at clunky design.

jshamsy Oct 5 @ 12:33 PM EDT

@philosophypaul @CenterOnlineEd well said! #iolchat

philosophypaul Oct 5 @ 12:34 PM EDT

@CenterOnlineEd Reply. Yes. First experience online could be best so far or last. #IOLchat

CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Oct 5 @ 12:34 PM EDT

@jshamsy Oh yes! Can you speak more to that alignment? #iolchat

TruthWFlair Oct 5 @ 12:35 PM EDT

@philosophypaul Definitely! But external research can be tied to goals- which are set by staff. Text exegeses help- Very Good Texts #IOLchat

jshamsy Oct 5 @ 12:35 PM EDT

@TruthWFlair I think that many have seen online course dev. as a cash cow #iolchat

ceasom Oct 5 @ 12:36 PM EDT

@TruthWFlair How many credits are your courses for $3k? #IOLchat

jshamsy Oct 5 @ 12:36 PM EDT

@CenterOnlineEd each course is part of a puzzle - there should be connectedness..moving toward a goal not independent products #iolchat

TruthWFlair Oct 5 @ 12:37 PM EDT

@jshamsy The Build and Walk- yeah. Unfortunately the expectation is the opposite- online means new/cutting edge. #IOLchat

CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Oct 5 @ 12:38 PM EDT

@jshamsy I really like that - concise way to describe what we need to do at program-level. #iolchat

philosophypaul Oct 5 @ 12:38 PM EDT

Yes. PLOs aligning with SLOs aligning with course design. Good point #IOLchat https://t.co/bSLF4lWvLw

jshamsy Oct 5 @ 12:36 PM EDT

@CenterOnlineEd each course is part of a puzzle - there should be connectedness..moving toward a goal not independent products #iolchat

jshamsy Oct 5 @ 12:38 PM EDT

@TruthWFlair they see a high profit margin - when really it takes significant money & time to develop #iolchat

TruthWFlair Oct 5 @ 12:39 PM EDT

@jshamsy There is no face time, so that's less- but if they don't know the medium- then they can't expect that #IOLchat

jshamsy Oct 5 @ 12:40 PM EDT

@TruthWFlair yes - an expectation of Las Vegas style animations/presentations. Prob is doesn't actually connect w/good lrng #iolchat

TruthWFlair Oct 5 @ 12:40 PM EDT

@jshamsy Can *I* make an AMAZING course and see a higher ROI if it's online? Yeah, but I taught this stuff. N00bs? Nope. #IOLchat

CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Oct 5 @ 12:40 PM EDT

Q3) Is online student motivation entirely intrinsic? Or is there something we (instructors, designers, etc. can do to foster? #iolchat

philosophypaul Oct 5 @ 12:41 PM EDT

@jshamsy @TruthWFlair enrollment numbers for income but no ID design cost ? #IOLchat

TruthWFlair Oct 5 @ 12:42 PM EDT

@jshamsy Reg teachers have blogs (Not online T)- and we're protected using a certain amount of .jpgs etc by the educational us laws.#IOLChat

jshamsy Oct 5 @ 12:43 PM EDT

@CenterOnlineEd Kellers ARCS Model - attention, relevance, confidence, satisfaction - help Ss with through good design #iolchat

jshamsy Oct 5 @ 12:43 PM EDT

@TruthWFlair I used to have a blog .. Too much work :-( #iolchat

ceasom Oct 5 @ 12:43 PM EDT

@CenterOnlineEd Motivation can be enhanced by faculty interactions. Gotta connect and be a person, not a grading robot #IOLchat

TruthWFlair Oct 5 @ 12:43 PM EDT

@philosophypaul @jshamsy If it's accredited they'll have a base design (there's no excuse from there) If not then it gets dicey.#IOLChat

philosophypaul Oct 5 @ 12:44 PM EDT

@CenterOnlineEd A3 Entirely intrinsic motivation? No. W design peer motivation through collaboration happens. Also Ts can inspire #IOLchat

CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Oct 5 @ 12:45 PM EDT

@ceasom Great reminder! Interaction, developing presence in a course - faculty can make a positive difference in lrning environment #iolchat

TruthWFlair Oct 5 @ 12:45 PM EDT

@jshamsy If you ever have to- incl ppt, links, video. It's a good platform, not nec. just 4 text. I have a couple w/ just slides. #IOLchat

CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Oct 5 @ 12:46 PM EDT

@jshamsy But it will always be there if you ever decide to do it again. : #writeJenniferwrite #iolchat

Dsouza1994Danny Oct 5 @ 12:46 PM EDT

@CenterOnlineEd Being connected to safe reliable wifi #ci149 #Q1 #IOLchat

ceasom Oct 5 @ 12:46 PM EDT

@CenterOnlineEd Build relationships with students and they're comfortable reaching out for assistance #IOLchat

philosophypaul Oct 5 @ 12:46 PM EDT

@TruthWFlair @jshamsy Speaking online pgm accreditation? Yes. Institutional accreditation? Not dependent on base design. #IOLchat

jshamsy Oct 5 @ 12:46 PM EDT

What do u look for in terms of motivational elements during your site visits @ceasom #iolchat

CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Oct 5 @ 12:46 PM EDT

@philosophypaul Like the addition of peers to this conversation! Can be helpful to know you're not alone as an online student. #iolchat

jshamsy Oct 5 @ 12:47 PM EDT

@Dsouza1994Danny great point - online lrng requires a Plan B and sometimes C and D #iolchat

TruthWFlair Oct 5 @ 12:48 PM EDT

@CenterOnlineEd Depends int/extrvrt. Me? No phone meetings, text, chat, I email w/Q. I'd b ok w it if you were a Competent robot :P #iolchat

ceasom Oct 5 @ 12:48 PM EDT

@jshamsy We look for regular, substantive interaction bn faculty and student, and among students. Timely assignment submissions #IOLchat

CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Oct 5 @ 12:48 PM EDT

@Dsouza1994Danny Hello Danny! Absolutely - reliable Internet connectivity is the crux of "flexible, convenient access" #iolchat

Dsouza1994Danny Oct 5 @ 12:48 PM EDT

@CenterOnlineEd depends on the person sometimes being online could provoke students to surf the internet rather than do work #ci149 #IOLchat

TruthWFlair Oct 5 @ 12:49 PM EDT

@philosophypaul @jshamsy No, def not. But- that's your Platform. You don't make it from scratch. If it's a block, take a course #IOLchat

ceasom Oct 5 @ 12:49 PM EDT

@Dsouza1994Danny @CenterOnlineEd LOL Students do that in physical class anyway with cell phones #iolchat

Dsouza1994Danny Oct 5 @ 12:50 PM EDT

@CenterOnlineEd A good first experience and bad could definitely set the tone #ci149 #IOLchat

jshamsy Oct 5 @ 12:50 PM EDT

@ceasom I think this motivational/organizational issue will be where online learning will need to spend some effort to grow #iolchat

CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Oct 5 @ 12:50 PM EDT

@Dsouza1994Danny Yep. The first impression rule, exists in online classes, too. #iolchat

philosophypaul Oct 5 @ 12:51 PM EDT

Appropriate the search. Danny w the phone, what do you discover about #IOlchat https://t.co/rFCW0j99VG

Dsouza1994Danny Oct 5 @ 12:48 PM EDT

@CenterOnlineEd depends on the person sometimes being online could provoke students to surf the internet rather than do work #ci149 #IOLchat

ceasom Oct 5 @ 12:52 PM EDT

@jshamsy I think some schools have it down already - retention and grad # reflect that. Not sure it's unique to online #IOLchat

jshamsy Oct 5 @ 12:52 PM EDT

@TruthWFlair @CenterOnlineEd that is why personalized learning many become more important as online learning grows #iolchat

Dsouza1994Danny Oct 5 @ 12:52 PM EDT

@CenterOnlineEd each course and person are different. Some thrive on intrinsic motivation where others just don't care #ci149 #IOLchat

jshamsy Oct 5 @ 12:53 PM EDT

@ceasom agreed. There is so much variation - ppl are better are better at spotting it in brick&mortar #iolchat

CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Oct 5 @ 12:53 PM EDT

Time for our last Q ... coming up ... #iolchat

TruthWFlair Oct 5 @ 12:54 PM EDT

@jshamsy @CenterOnlineEd I love it. I read they do it in Finland from K, and they were acing globals. Sit still, listen, repeat.eek #IOLChat

CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Oct 5 @ 12:56 PM EDT

Q4) What's your best advice to a student who is losing motivation in her/his #onlinecourses? #iolchat

ceasom Oct 5 @ 12:57 PM EDT

@CenterOnlineEd Best advice? Revisit your reason for starting. What goal did you set out to achieve. Focus on that #IOLchat

jshamsy Oct 5 @ 12:57 PM EDT

Take a break..remember why you are doing it...try to not fixate on the grade #iolchat

Dsouza1994Danny Oct 5 @ 12:57 PM EDT

@CenterOnlineEd Always remember your overall goal...Focus on that light at the end of the LONG tunnel #ci149 #IOLchat

TruthWFlair Oct 5 @ 12:57 PM EDT

@CenterOnlineEd A!) Why do you need this course (even if it's it'll tank my avg now) and let's make a plan. SMART goals (keyword) #IOLchat

jshamsy Oct 5 @ 12:59 PM EDT

@Dsouza1994Danny @CenterOnlineEd it's a marathon not a sprint! #iolchat

CenterOnlineEd - Moderator Oct 5 @ 12:59 PM EDT

:) Great advice!! #onlinestudents #onlinelearning #motivation #iolchat