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OK - so what's your take on "Is the PME doing enough to prioritise subject knowledge?"
Are we talking about "subject knowledge" as important or the skills to using it? #edchatie
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Hi all, Edel, post primary history & Rel Ed teacher: working in Drogheda, living in Monaghan-not sure if I've much to contribute to this, but I'm here #edchatie
#edchatie I don't know what the PME's are doing. I know I have encountered teachers who have completed a Maths conversion course, which was all about maths, and seemed to have no content on maths teaching knowledge.
My science students (PME and concurrent) use a model of ‘science teacher professional education around productive habit development’. This considers meta, procedural and content knowledge #edchatiehttps://t.co/mhFFgVn7jW
thanks Ciara. Education degree not required at 3rd level. I've finally gotten over my issues with not having an degree or post grad in education :) #edchatie
Ciara here with @rathuireland. This topic interests me as I work with TES (Formerly Hibernia UK) within their subject knowledge-enhancement team. Trainee teachers & serving teachers do these courses to top-up! #edchatie
After 4 year undergraduate programmes - one would expect that PME students would be comfortable with content knowledge.The argument can be made that PME programmes should be focusing on teaching methodologies / strategies & pedagogy and NOT basic content knowledge #edchatie
Biggest difference I have noticed in Cville is new teachers have to spend at least an hour a week with on Instructional Coach for the first year. IC are like master teachers #edchatie
#edchatie In maths, I think I'd include affective issues around maths learning, a range of methodologies for specific topics, Maths history to promote engagement, and a little understanding of the brain science related to practicing the topic... for a start.
I agree with this - teachers in training sometimes need to also train out their experience of education to be able to give future students a different (hopefully better) experience #edchatie
#edchatie student teachers reflect on how they learn as well as asking how they think their students learn. They keep a reflective diary in this area. I’ve found dramatic and positive changes in student disposition toward learning science.
I did a PGCE at @IOE_London and we had pedagogy and subject specific learnt. In terms of content, it also depends what is on the curriculum. Some subjects are live like geography #edchatie
I think I'd be looking for subject specific teaching knowledge, understanding what might work to teach it, but also how it is learnt. This is different for math or religion from that required for cooking or languages. It seems to be altogether missing for Irish. #edchatie
#edchatie the community formed by student teachers is important for the full implementation of the model and its continued use for qualified teachers. I find it brilliant
We (and politicians) tend to think that the best way to learn a subject, is the way we were taught it. This may not be the case for students who are more or less able than we were. #edchatie
We use elearning as a tool to cover subject knowledge. Teachers can do it in their own time and have a personal tutor who is a subject expert to support them. #edchatie
One example is English grammar. Anyone with an English degree has ok grammar (we'd hope!) but they've often picked it up & have no idea how to take it apart & build it back up, or how sentences work #edchatie
Welcome to tonight's #edchatie on "Is the PME doing enough to prioritise subject knowledge?"
Not too late and not the only one who has admitted to lack of familiarity with PME either ;-)
If they've made it to, and through, university I'd say giving future students the same kind of education they benefited from themselves should be a basic ambition of any trainee teacher. #edchatie
I agree with this - teachers in training sometimes need to also train out their experience of education to be able to give future students a different (hopefully better) experience #edchatie
Completely agree - I think there are more challenges for teachers today so it's important to be able to adapt and change to student needs - the subject knowledge isn't changing as quickly #edchatie
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@CuffeL, @pamelaaobrien, @shanedbergin
Teacher should aim to build on, and surpass the same education they were lucky enough to receive. We need to evolve and seek continuous improvement, not reinvent the very wheel that got us where we are #edchatie
#edchatie Thats a nice example of subject specific content. Should the approach be grammar as a research object, or grammar as a set of objective rules. It opens up the complexity of the teaching task and context. could even get Teaching Philosophy here!
Content is king! Therefore subject knowledge is important. But how you create learning around the content is equally important! I’m all for memorable learning experiences! 👑#edchatie
#edchatie yes. Students have gone beyond the model organising ‘student meets’ etc. Also using it to help their own pupils’ meta cog. I hope in a few years it helps w student teacher/cooperating teacher relationship (when graduates who’ve used it are coop teachers)
Tonight on #edchatie we're discussing "Is the PME doing enough to prioritise subject knowledge?"
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Despite having an MPhil & excellent grammar myself, almost all my knowledge of how English grammar works and can help communication was gained teaching EAL. Has been a massive help in teaching native English speakers! #edchatie
What gets me is politicians trying to recreate their schooldays experience, not realizing that what suited a bright ambitious child, might be demoralizing to some one who needed more time, or who never would remember what 9 x 13 was. #edchatie
Less a set of rules than helpful guidelines. Real need for English teachers to know terminology, as well as common mistakes and the reasoning behind them. #edchatie
It's a mistake to think the knowledge gained on a primary degree "has you covered" for a teaching career. There's always more to learn, and the more secure and broad your own knowledge, the more you can focus on teaching. #edchatie
Is this Primary or Secondary? I wouldn't like to have max. knowledge of all,even some subjects in Primary, I like to learn little things and discover along with my pupils. Have PhD in Archaeology and that sometimes impedes my delivery of (outdated) History curriculum #edchatie
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I do want to acknowledge the immense work that Declan Kennedy does in UCC to ensure all his student teachers are confident and competent. Plus the lab evenings he runs for working teachers #edchatie
Not 100% familiar with what exactly is being done in different colleges, bit it seems there is an attempt being made to make students aware of different approaches, but probably not enough time for immersion. #edchatie
