#ASEchat Archive

The Association for Science Education (ASE) promotes excellence in science teaching and learning. Follow #ASEchat Mondays at 3pm ET.

Monday December 3, 2018
3:00 PM EST

  • ViciaScience Dec 3 @ 3:01 PM EST
    Anyone fancy answering this question? Which of the following will make a model car run faster down an inclined ramp? a) increase gradient of ramp b) increase friction of ramp surface c) increase mass of model car #ASEChat #ASEChat
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Dec 3 @ 3:01 PM EST
    The thing is, no matter how good we think we are getting at science teacher it seems children come to our lessons with some pretty hard wired ideas which are difficult to change. What are the ones that immediately spring to mind? #asechat
  • dodiscimus Dec 3 @ 3:02 PM EST
    Well, the firs tthing is to see them coming. It's a real area of weakness in trainee teachers' planning. Not sure how to address, really. #asechat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • agittner Dec 3 @ 3:02 PM EST
    good evening #ASEchat are we all well??
  • SKLchem Dec 3 @ 3:02 PM EST
    #asechat Particles expand on heating!
    • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Dec 3 @ 3:01 PM EST
      The thing is, no matter how good we think we are getting at science teacher it seems children come to our lessons with some pretty hard wired ideas which are difficult to change. What are the ones that immediately spring to mind? #asechat
  • ViciaScience Dec 3 @ 3:02 PM EST
    Are you still on a train? #ASEChat
    In reply to @agittner
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Dec 3 @ 3:03 PM EST
    One of the first places to start that documents common misconceptions is “making Sense of secondary science by Ros Driver et al #asechat
  • ViciaScience Dec 3 @ 3:03 PM EST
    There are so many things encountered when teaching it would be difficult to forwarn all trainees #ASEChat
    In reply to @dodiscimus, @NeedhamL56
  • MarcNeesam Dec 3 @ 3:04 PM EST
    Is misconception the right word? Some of them may be age appropriate concepts. E.g it is incorrect to think of matter as being made of spherical particles but it is appropriate to a point. Stemming from this do models help or hinder understanding? #asechat
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Dec 3 @ 3:04 PM EST
    Maybe ITT includes a few examples, but raises awareness that we should dig into prior knowledge that will elicit going down the wrong track and thus inform planning #asechat
    • dodiscimus Dec 3 @ 3:02 PM EST
      Well, the firs tthing is to see them coming. It's a real area of weakness in trainee teachers' planning. Not sure how to address, really. #asechat
      In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • agittner Dec 3 @ 3:04 PM EST
    Do you direct them to CLISP https://t.co/Sa3F8GBBft Children's learning in science, it a little old now but I bet the misconceptions are still true #ASEchat
    In reply to @dodiscimus, @NeedhamL56
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Dec 3 @ 3:05 PM EST
    Being aware of misconceptions and having strategies to address them is a key aspect of PCK, and one we get better at with practice #asechat
  • ViciaScience Dec 3 @ 3:05 PM EST
    So do you suggest EYFS, primary, secondary and teacher misconceptions as starting points for a classification? #ASEChat
    In reply to @MarcNeesam
  • zinccommunicate Dec 3 @ 3:05 PM EST
    To celebrate #UKCharityWeek why not get your students involved with @LDNairamb's KS3 resources covering all aspects from helicopter engineering and medical biology to charity finance #ASEChat https://t.co/ZSYfWCEtVf
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Dec 3 @ 3:05 PM EST
    Yes links to the Ros Driver book just mentioned #asechat
    • agittner Dec 3 @ 3:04 PM EST
      Do you direct them to CLISP https://t.co/Sa3F8GBBft Children's learning in science, it a little old now but I bet the misconceptions are still true #ASEchat
      In reply to @dodiscimus, @NeedhamL56
  • MarcNeesam Dec 3 @ 3:06 PM EST
    Many ‘misconceptions’ are ways of thinking about phenomena based on personal experience and are consistent with the wider experiences a person has. To the holder they are not incorrect and therefore hard to change #asechat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • stormeducation Dec 3 @ 3:06 PM EST
    Hi #asechat - good topic for tonight!
  • agittner Dec 3 @ 3:07 PM EST
    Is there anything more recent (other than Keith Taber's work) so the two could be compared? Is there anything like APU? #ASEchat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • MarcNeesam Dec 3 @ 3:07 PM EST
    Teacher misconceptions does require separate thinking to learner misconceptions. #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Dec 3 @ 3:07 PM EST
    Yes @johnleach12 would call them alternative conceptions, which isn’t quite so negative for the child (or from a teacher perspective thinking of that child) #asechat
    • MarcNeesam Dec 3 @ 3:06 PM EST
      Many ‘misconceptions’ are ways of thinking about phenomena based on personal experience and are consistent with the wider experiences a person has. To the holder they are not incorrect and therefore hard to change #asechat
      In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • ViciaScience Dec 3 @ 3:07 PM EST
    So 'alternative conceptions' (to science view) was suggested as acceptable #asechat
    In reply to @MarcNeesam, @NeedhamL56
  • stevethedoc1 Dec 3 @ 3:08 PM EST
    #asechat SPACE project of late 80s onwards identified lots of these for primary at different ages. Materials on STEM Library
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • DrDavidBoyce Dec 3 @ 3:08 PM EST
    Nice question! Are you a physicist @ViciaScience? #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @ViciaScience
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Dec 3 @ 3:08 PM EST
    For a more up to date take (@agittner ) take a look at the BEST evidence material growing on @STEMLearningUK website @UYSEG developing these resources https://t.co/W92mI5P2aX #asechat
  • agittner Dec 3 @ 3:08 PM EST
    Isn't this where Zone of proximal development comes in? Give them the challenge of explaining something using their misconceived way of thinking? #ASEchat
    In reply to @MarcNeesam, @NeedhamL56
  • ViciaScience Dec 3 @ 3:09 PM EST
    People like @oboelizzy are researching these questions now #ASEChat But rather than uncover misconceptions ('70s, 80's) the focus is on why and how they develop #ASEChat
    In reply to @agittner, @NeedhamL56, @oboelizzy
  • MarcNeesam Dec 3 @ 3:09 PM EST
    The problem is alternative conceptions gives validity to something that is still not, ultimately and fundamentally, correct. As we like in a world with alternative facts is there a place for alternative concepts in science? #asechat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56, @johnleach12
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Dec 3 @ 3:09 PM EST
    do you have the link @stevethedoc1 ? #asechat
    In reply to @stevethedoc1, @stevethedoc1
  • agittner Dec 3 @ 3:10 PM EST
    Yes I know those I meant is anyone doing the same sort of research as was done in CLISP. to see if children have changed in 30-40 years #ASEchat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56, @STEMLearningUK, @UYSEG
  • stevethedoc1 Dec 3 @ 3:10 PM EST
    #asechat Nuffield SIW published by Collins addressed both for primary in 1990s available now on STEM Library
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Dec 3 @ 3:10 PM EST
    How do you change their ideas on this? #asechat
    • crpurkiss Dec 3 @ 3:09 PM EST
      Mass/ weight same thing
      In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • ViciaScience Dec 3 @ 3:10 PM EST
    No - a biologist. But I once had a friend who was a physicist #asechat
    In reply to @DrDavidBoyce
  • stormeducation Dec 3 @ 3:10 PM EST
    #asechat where would these 'misconceptions' have come from?
  • stevethedoc1 Dec 3 @ 3:11 PM EST
    #asechat no link at moment always hard to find as link changes
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • MarcNeesam Dec 3 @ 3:11 PM EST
    This then relies on the teacher having a good understanding to ensure the misconception is being addressed. This requires subject knowledge and an understanding of scientific conceptual development in children - a big ask? #asechat
    In reply to @agittner, @NeedhamL56
  • LessonToolbox Dec 3 @ 3:12 PM EST
    Visual representation of how many Earths could fit inside the sun (over 1,000,000) via @TheWeirdWorld #asechat #ukedchat #aussieEd #physics #astronomy
  • SteveTeachPhys Dec 3 @ 3:12 PM EST
    Increasing mass probably will speed it up, the friction increase shouldn't alter it unless it alters the rolling resistance. Are you saying science teachers wouldn't answer gradient? #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @HSPolymath
  • stevethedoc1 Dec 3 @ 3:12 PM EST
    #asechat ans US call them cognitive conflict
    In reply to @NeedhamL56, @johnleach12
  • SKLchem Dec 3 @ 3:12 PM EST
    #asechat Need to find time to a)look at and b)trial some of these 😀
  • ViciaScience Dec 3 @ 3:12 PM EST
    I rather think that the stuff uncovered in CLIS is exactly the same today - and possibly more widespread as we now teach more science! #ASEChat
    In reply to @agittner, @NeedhamL56, @STEMLearningUK, @UYSEG
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Dec 3 @ 3:12 PM EST
    If you want some help with ideas about particles try Stuff and Substance ( I know also old!) from @RSC_EiC but found here https://t.co/FC5xfEQTJa #asechat
  • DrDavidBoyce Dec 3 @ 3:12 PM EST
    Lol. Cool story bro! #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • Ange_K1 Dec 3 @ 3:12 PM EST
    Fly to the moon. Your weight will change but your mass will stay the same (unless you trap your arm in the door of your moon lander and loose it...) I go gory. #asechat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • agittner Dec 3 @ 3:13 PM EST
    I think probably not, misconceptions probably fall over when asked to predict outcomes with them #ASEchat
    In reply to @MarcNeesam, @NeedhamL56, @johnleach12
  • MarcNeesam Dec 3 @ 3:13 PM EST
    As a curriculum designer I think there is a role for objectives/statements in a written curriculum to be as clear as possible to minimise the risk of misconceptions arising and to have some curriculum statements to directly address common misconceptions #asechat
  • dodiscimus Dec 3 @ 3:13 PM EST
    I think the problem is not accessing but processing. Often own SK not deep enough to build in knowledge of misconceptions and/or not enough time on top of rest of planning. #asechat
    In reply to @agittner, @NeedhamL56
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Dec 3 @ 3:13 PM EST
    A good description of PCK? something that develops over time for the teacher #asechat
    In reply to @MarcNeesam, @agittner
  • ViciaScience Dec 3 @ 3:14 PM EST
    The teacher needs a good understanding of science to recognise a misconception (subject knowledge) and also a good understanding of teaching (PCK) to do something about it that is effective #ASEChat
    In reply to @MarcNeesam, @agittner, @NeedhamL56
  • agittner Dec 3 @ 3:14 PM EST
    It is but it is also the first recognised feature in this review of what makes great teaching #ASEchat https://t.co/1Nmr8fazFB
    In reply to @MarcNeesam, @NeedhamL56
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Dec 3 @ 3:15 PM EST
    Interesting that you mention own SK, maybe this is why some ideas don't get addressed , teachers own ideas not clear enough especially when there are many non specialists out there #asechat
    • dodiscimus Dec 3 @ 3:13 PM EST
      I think the problem is not accessing but processing. Often own SK not deep enough to build in knowledge of misconceptions and/or not enough time on top of rest of planning. #asechat
      In reply to @agittner, @NeedhamL56
  • MarcNeesam Dec 3 @ 3:15 PM EST
    So calling them alternative concepts is misleading. Age appropriate concepts is my preferred term - which become misconceptions if they are left unaddressed over time. #asechat
    In reply to @agittner, @NeedhamL56, @johnleach12
  • ViciaScience Dec 3 @ 3:16 PM EST
    Trying to sit on the fence does no one any favours. It is time the community agreed to adopt a single explanatory model of energy - or just give up using the term #ASEChat
    In reply to @HSPolymath
  • agittner Dec 3 @ 3:17 PM EST
    I like that.... there is something slightly negative about calling them misconceptions #ASEchat
    In reply to @MarcNeesam, @NeedhamL56, @johnleach12
  • agittner Dec 3 @ 3:18 PM EST
    Would our learned bodies agree with you? #ASEchat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @HSPolymath
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Dec 3 @ 3:19 PM EST
    So what strategies do people use to ‘uncover’ these age appropriate concepts #asechat You have to know they are there and know what they are thinking to even start to address them #asechat
  • ViciaScience Dec 3 @ 3:19 PM EST
    My friend Phil Scott once released a peach and a water melon from the roof of the STEM Learning building to demonstrate to teachers on a physics course the effect of gravity on objects of different mass #ASEChat #messy
    In reply to @BenjaminDBarker
  • agittner Dec 3 @ 3:19 PM EST
    They do and as we know it is why its so important that CPD is aligned with this. Do you think teachers accept this? Is it too hard to admit that your PCK and SK is not good enough? #ASEchat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @MarcNeesam, @NeedhamL56
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Dec 3 @ 3:21 PM EST
    I’m sure it is #asechat (culture of competition and no room for failure)
    In reply to @agittner, @ViciaScience, @MarcNeesam
  • agittner Dec 3 @ 3:21 PM EST
    @Viciascience 's first question is a good model maybe with more possible answer. Good quality questions a much-overlooked part of lesson planning. spending 5 minutes to create 5 good questions for a lesson would go a long way #ASEchat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56, @ViciaScience
  • MarcNeesam Dec 3 @ 3:21 PM EST
    Energy is a fascinating topic. One problem is the use in curriculum, with many referencing the more colloquial forms and use of energy rather than the scientific. This causes confusion and misconceptions. That’s before the difference in approaches across the sciences! #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @HSPolymath
  • SKLchem Dec 3 @ 3:22 PM EST
    #asechat Hinge questions/diagnostic questions/ concept cartoons/ true or false statements trying to find ways to uncover what students are thinking - use mini white boards a lot and drawing diagrams
    • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Dec 3 @ 3:19 PM EST
      So what strategies do people use to ‘uncover’ these age appropriate concepts #asechat You have to know they are there and know what they are thinking to even start to address them #asechat
  • ViciaScience Dec 3 @ 3:22 PM EST
    As professionals I think we must acknowledge that we also have misconceptions, and that no amount of cpd will cure this as a 'problem'. Hence the need for reflection (on what we teach) and how to improve is an ongoing endeavour #asechat
    In reply to @agittner, @MarcNeesam, @NeedhamL56
  • agittner Dec 3 @ 3:22 PM EST
    And is it hardest among those teachers who we need to reach the most? The reluctant acceptors of CPD. Maybe the question for #ASEchat should be how do we address misconceptions among our teaching colleagues !!!
    In reply to @NeedhamL56, @ViciaScience, @MarcNeesam
  • MarcNeesam Dec 3 @ 3:23 PM EST
    It also comes down to what we as science educators agree is age appropriate. What are the expectations of a year 3 child? A lot of this becomes subjective and hard to ‘police’ #asechat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Dec 3 @ 3:23 PM EST
    I really like Phil Scott and Eduardo Mortimers book “Meaning Making in Secondary Science”for analysing classroom talk, and allowing dialogic interaction to elicit ideas #asechat
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Dec 3 @ 3:24 PM EST
    I’m sure all the #asefamily would feel safe admitting their areas of weakness :) #asechat
    • agittner Dec 3 @ 3:22 PM EST
      And is it hardest among those teachers who we need to reach the most? The reluctant acceptors of CPD. Maybe the question for #ASEchat should be how do we address misconceptions among our teaching colleagues !!!
      In reply to @NeedhamL56, @ViciaScience, @MarcNeesam
  • ViciaScience Dec 3 @ 3:24 PM EST
    We tried that way back. It does not work. Pupils question the evidence not the misconception #ASEChat
    In reply to @stevethedoc1, @NeedhamL56, @johnleach12
  • SKLchem Dec 3 @ 3:25 PM EST
    #asechat I think one of the hardest things is to try and identify exaclty what students are thinking to find the point at which the understanding stops; I try to get students to this point as it makes the feedback more effective
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Dec 3 @ 3:25 PM EST
    and even if you think they’ve got it, its only for show in the lesson, and then they flip back to their original ideas ….#asechat
    • ViciaScience Dec 3 @ 3:24 PM EST
      We tried that way back. It does not work. Pupils question the evidence not the misconception #ASEChat
      In reply to @stevethedoc1, @NeedhamL56, @johnleach12
  • stevethedoc1 Dec 3 @ 3:25 PM EST
    #asechat note NATA's Assessment Probe series along with Concept Cartoons valuable resources when doing this
    In reply to @agittner, @NeedhamL56, @ViciaScience
  • agittner Dec 3 @ 3:25 PM EST
    Surely we must believe we can; if no amount of CPD (aka teaching of adults) will cure it why bother with children? #ASEchat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @MarcNeesam, @NeedhamL56
  • ViciaScience Dec 3 @ 3:26 PM EST
    so what is the earliest child misconception teachers have come across? Mine is that vision requires light coming from the eye to see an object - about 6-7 yrs old #ASEChat
  • EmmaLuckhurst2 Dec 3 @ 3:26 PM EST
    Hello #asechat! These are also hard to address when they don’t know what they don’t know. Or what they think they know is the accepted truth. I’ve found this the same for children and adults.
    In reply to @agittner, @NeedhamL56, @ViciaScience, @MarcNeesam
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Dec 3 @ 3:26 PM EST
    some great ideas here for eliciting children ideas, and giving you something to work with when planning next steps #asechat
    • SKLchem Dec 3 @ 3:22 PM EST
      #asechat Hinge questions/diagnostic questions/ concept cartoons/ true or false statements trying to find ways to uncover what students are thinking - use mini white boards a lot and drawing diagrams
      • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Dec 3 @ 3:19 PM EST
        So what strategies do people use to ‘uncover’ these age appropriate concepts #asechat You have to know they are there and know what they are thinking to even start to address them #asechat
  • SKLchem Dec 3 @ 3:27 PM EST
    #asechat One of the most helpful comments I had was from a Y11 doing displacement of halogen - 'So we're doing that practical where we add water to water'; from then on I have always included diluting the solution of the halogen alongside the displacement
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Dec 3 @ 3:27 PM EST
    Welcome to #asechat @EmmaLuckhurst2
    In reply to @EmmaLuckhurst2, @agittner, @ViciaScience, @MarcNeesam, @EmmaLuckhurst2
  • ViciaScience Dec 3 @ 3:27 PM EST
    Valuable for detection, Steve. The even harder bit is to find ways of changing the way people think. The best we got was the ability to hold on to two competing explanations for the same effect - everyday and scientific #ASEChat
    In reply to @stevethedoc1, @agittner, @NeedhamL56
  • agittner Dec 3 @ 3:27 PM EST
    Are you sure??? The older and wiser you get or are perceived the harder it is to admit perhaps? #ASEchat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • MarcNeesam Dec 3 @ 3:29 PM EST
    A tree is not a plant. Age 3-4. Both terms were known but seen as separate things. #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • EmmaLuckhurst2 Dec 3 @ 3:30 PM EST
    Many adults believe this too. Same for weeds #asechat
    In reply to @MarcNeesam, @ViciaScience
  • agittner Dec 3 @ 3:30 PM EST
    My own kids used to turn on their "eye torches" so that they could see in the dark (that didn't last long I can tell you!!!) but then I believe Socrates or Aristotle believed that, sometimes history and philosophy of science has clues #ASEchat
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • carroll_dr Dec 3 @ 3:30 PM EST
    A toy car stops because it has run out of push #ASEChat
    In reply to @MarcNeesam, @ViciaScience
  • stevethedoc1 Dec 3 @ 3:30 PM EST
    #asechat and some will hang onto that thinking for decades to come before a light bulb moment finally challenges their thinking well!!!
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Dec 3 @ 3:30 PM EST
    Ha @MarcNeesam has reminded me of “animal’ which has to have 4 legs and fur to be one ! #asechat (so not humans, spiders, insects, birds….) #asechat
  • ViciaScience Dec 3 @ 3:30 PM EST
    Agree! and animals all have 4 legs, fur and a tail. This persists well into secondary. Cause possibly that young children cannot hold a hierarchical classification (if it is this then it can't be that eg a bee is an insect so cannot be an animal too ) #ASEChat
    In reply to @MarcNeesam
  • MarcNeesam Dec 3 @ 3:31 PM EST
    #asechat
    In reply to @EmmaLuckhurst2, @ViciaScience
  • agittner Dec 3 @ 3:31 PM EST
    Remember also the infamous footage of Harvard science graduates failing to explain the link between a lump of wood and the gas CO2 #ASEchat
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Dec 3 @ 3:31 PM EST
    How do you address this idea? #asechat
    • carroll_dr Dec 3 @ 3:30 PM EST
      A toy car stops because it has run out of push #ASEChat
      In reply to @MarcNeesam, @ViciaScience
  • ViciaScience Dec 3 @ 3:32 PM EST
    I have had great fun with cardboard tubes and mirrors in a class of 11 yr olds trying to find the right explanation. #ASEChat
    In reply to @agittner
  • stevethedoc1 Dec 3 @ 3:32 PM EST
    #asechat ask primary children about any science topic they have not yet officially been taught at school. Reception how mirrors work ....
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • agittner Dec 3 @ 3:32 PM EST
    then go into the whole whales/sharks/dolphins/fish/mammals issue with adults #ASEchat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @MarcNeesam
  • EmmaLuckhurst2 Dec 3 @ 3:32 PM EST
    I often see spiders called insects...and then also insects are not animals #asechat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56, @MarcNeesam
  • owl_physics Dec 3 @ 3:33 PM EST
    Need help with GCSE Physics? check out Foster's Physics helpful video tutorials! This one is on The Generators and Microphones! https://t.co/8PqPDlpbYJ #ukedchat #science #asechat #nqtchat #ittchat #aussieED #edchat #physics #physicsteaching #GCSEs
  • MarcNeesam Dec 3 @ 3:33 PM EST
    This is why explicit focus within a curriculum on some of these issues are important or it won’t be taught. When learning about the organ systems have an expectation to examine similarities across species would help (for example) #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • agittner Dec 3 @ 3:33 PM EST
    Hot air rises is another good one #ASEchat
  • dodiscimus Dec 3 @ 3:33 PM EST
    I think the trouble is their clarity in the misconception isn't good enough for it to be obvious to them when it founders against evidence. #asechat
    In reply to @agittner, @MarcNeesam, @NeedhamL56
  • dodiscimus Dec 3 @ 3:34 PM EST
    Most children can't confidently and accurately explain using either the correct or incorrect science so hard for them to learn from the difference. #asechat
    In reply to @agittner, @MarcNeesam, @NeedhamL56
  • ViciaScience Dec 3 @ 3:34 PM EST
    so far we have discussed the classic 'Driver' list of misconceptions. People like @johnleach12 researched misconceptions in ecology and uncovered similar problematic areas #ASEChat
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Dec 3 @ 3:34 PM EST
    We also have the new @EducEndowFoundn report Improving secondary science which includes some of the research about the ideas students bring https://t.co/Hrnmryx3oY worth a look if you need some background to this topic #asechat
  • stevethedoc1 Dec 3 @ 3:34 PM EST
    #asechat years ago built large scale demo for phases of moon shoe box viewing model on large scale only to suddenly realise I was reinforcing the wrong idea of earth orbiting moon causing phases,
    In reply to @agittner, @NeedhamL56
  • MarcNeesam Dec 3 @ 3:35 PM EST
    What is interesting about science education is we are, unnaturally, compressing a lot of discovery into a short space of time and many misconceptions were around for centuries so shouldn’t be a surprise they a) happen and b) are hard to address. #ASEChat
    In reply to @agittner, @ViciaScience
  • carroll_dr Dec 3 @ 3:35 PM EST
    With pri PGCE's I am going to introduce them to the force from an inflated balloon pushing a car to same balloon used to 'power' one of those CD air hockey things #asechat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • ViciaScience Dec 3 @ 3:35 PM EST
    Inheritance is a rich field to explore misconceptions - 'like father, like son' etc #ASEChat
    In reply to @agittner, @MarcNeesam
  • dodiscimus Dec 3 @ 3:36 PM EST
    ? Hot air does rise. Do you mean the misconception that it rises because it's hot rather than because it's density is low? #asechat
    In reply to @agittner
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Dec 3 @ 3:36 PM EST
    So good, that you realised! Thanks for sharing #asechat
    In reply to @stevethedoc1, @agittner
  • stevethedoc1 Dec 3 @ 3:36 PM EST
    #asechat while on subject of adults. Colleague asked recently why on Xmas day at lunch when you wear paper hat from cracker with no top does your head got warm? Does it? Why?
    In reply to @agittner, @NeedhamL56
  • ViciaScience Dec 3 @ 3:37 PM EST
    Agreed. But we also make a rod for our own backs by teaching ideas like SLG and Mrs Gren as if they are natural phenomena. Is a seed living? #ASEChat
    In reply to @MarcNeesam, @agittner
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Dec 3 @ 3:37 PM EST
    I keep my top on at the christmas table :) Nothing to do with the quantity of alcohol and food consumed?? #asechat
    In reply to @stevethedoc1, @agittner
  • stevethedoc1 Dec 3 @ 3:38 PM EST
    #asechat yes model never saw light of a classroom. But still find it illustrating current publications!
    In reply to @NeedhamL56, @agittner
  • SteveTeachPhys Dec 3 @ 3:39 PM EST
    We do an experiment that clearly shows waves don't slow down as they travel. Large numbers of our students will argue in their conclusions that the expt showed the waves slowing down #asechat
    In reply to @dodiscimus, @agittner, @MarcNeesam, @NeedhamL56
  • ViciaScience Dec 3 @ 3:39 PM EST
    so how as teachers should we help children come to accept scientific explanations contrary to their own? #asechat
  • MarcNeesam Dec 3 @ 3:40 PM EST
    It is instinctive that to cover so much ground we try to introduce short cuts which themselves cause problems. A balance between time pressures and good conceptual understanding. The real rod we make is on what we assess to be correct. #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @agittner
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Dec 3 @ 3:40 PM EST
    The final link Ive got to share is the Misconceptions unit from the Level6+ Nat Strats stuff https://t.co/IA0rTK3FEc good background, and help with helping students to make progress #asechat
  • agittner Dec 3 @ 3:41 PM EST
    ZPD zone of proximal development; its knowing enough phenomena or examples which cannot easily be explained with the most common misconceptions #ASEchat
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Dec 3 @ 3:41 PM EST
    Confirmation bias in action ;) love this #asechat
    • SteveTeachPhys Dec 3 @ 3:39 PM EST
      We do an experiment that clearly shows waves don't slow down as they travel. Large numbers of our students will argue in their conclusions that the expt showed the waves slowing down #asechat
      In reply to @dodiscimus, @agittner, @MarcNeesam, @NeedhamL56
  • ViciaScience Dec 3 @ 3:42 PM EST
    I think we introduce these shortcuts to help children score highly with written questions through memory (mnemonics etc) rather than help them understand the principles underlying written questions #ASEChat
    In reply to @MarcNeesam, @agittner
  • EmmaLuckhurst2 Dec 3 @ 3:42 PM EST
    Concept cartoons can help show that others may think the same so they’re not alone in their thinking. Exploring ideas is crucial and also recognising the lightbulb moments. And sharing your own! #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • MarcNeesam Dec 3 @ 3:42 PM EST
    Evidence, evidence, evidence. Ideally based on first hand experiences which are harder for someone to refute. Someone telling me I have a misconception 100 times is unlikely to shift me unless I see I am wrong. #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • agittner Dec 3 @ 3:42 PM EST
    Isn't this the argument why we must have excellent primary science to that the alternative ideas are challenged early and repeatedly #ASEchat
    In reply to @MarcNeesam, @ViciaScience
  • ViciaScience Dec 3 @ 3:43 PM EST
    I remember some work done involving children who scored highly in their exams, and yet still held on to a significant range of misconceptions. Seems they are the ones who could compartmentalise what they think as separate from what they need to know #ASEChat
    In reply to @MarcNeesam, @agittner
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Dec 3 @ 3:44 PM EST
    Yes indeed, these cartoons emerged from the earlier work at Leeds trying to uncover children’s ideas #asechat
    • EmmaLuckhurst2 Dec 3 @ 3:42 PM EST
      Concept cartoons can help show that others may think the same so they’re not alone in their thinking. Exploring ideas is crucial and also recognising the lightbulb moments. And sharing your own! #asechat
      In reply to @ViciaScience
  • agittner Dec 3 @ 3:44 PM EST
    Don't start that one... are there any misconceptions which can be allowed in the wider adult population or are we duty bound to challenge them all? #ASEchat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @MarcNeesam
  • damianainscough Dec 3 @ 3:45 PM EST
    #asechat Misconceptions in science; have these been mentioned? https://t.co/aPVCD6ASed
  • ViciaScience Dec 3 @ 3:45 PM EST
    Is that what Vygotsky meant by ZPD. I always had it down as reducing the level of conceptual challenge to something that, with support, was achievable #ASEChat
    In reply to @agittner
  • MarcNeesam Dec 3 @ 3:46 PM EST
    That Brexit is a good thing? #asechat
    In reply to @agittner, @ViciaScience
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Dec 3 @ 3:46 PM EST
    OK, please continue to share any links you have to work that helps us Identify understand why they occur and help to address/change age appropriate conceptions in science #asechat
  • agittner Dec 3 @ 3:46 PM EST
    There is evidence that the areas of the brain involved in behaviour control are more active in science graduates when answering science questions, implying they maybe be good at science because they have learned to suppress wrong thinking #ASEchat
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @MarcNeesam
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Dec 3 @ 3:46 PM EST
    Oh yes, I remember reading about that too #asechat
    In reply to @agittner, @ViciaScience, @MarcNeesam
  • ViciaScience Dec 3 @ 3:47 PM EST
    Even more powerful than concept cartoons is getting the class to vote on alternative solutions. Recognising others think differently is a great stimulus to questioning own views #ASEChat
    In reply to @EmmaLuckhurst2
  • stevethedoc1 Dec 3 @ 3:47 PM EST
    #asechat duty bound to challenge but accept we may not effect a change, YET!
    In reply to @agittner, @ViciaScience, @MarcNeesam
  • MaryUYSEG Dec 3 @ 3:47 PM EST
    Predict Observe Explain can sometimes be a good strategy for encouraging students to see their observations do not support their prediction. But as someone said earlier they don’t always accept that! #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • EmmaLuckhurst2 Dec 3 @ 3:47 PM EST
    I think it depends on how it’s done. I honestly thought the uvula were tonsils until in my twenties...and my husband thought it was hysterical. But I’m glad I was corrected or I’d probably still believe it 😬 #asechat
    In reply to @agittner, @ViciaScience, @MarcNeesam
  • alexa_macie Dec 3 @ 3:48 PM EST
    I agree. I am a visual learner, so seeing my ideas being proved wrong will help gear me towards the right direction. #asechat #uwpsoe2010
    In reply to @MarcNeesam, @ViciaScience
  • cleverfiend Dec 3 @ 3:48 PM EST
    If you have to actively learn and embed the correct version to replace the misconception, this is harder than just telling someone what they've got wrong. Does it need a different way of teaching? For students? For teachers? 😀#ASEchat
    In reply to @agittner, @ViciaScience, @MarcNeesam, @NeedhamL56
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Dec 3 @ 3:48 PM EST
    For the last 15 minutes let's share our answers to @geoffmackey1 question What one gift would improve your professional life? #sustainablegifts #asechat
  • MarcNeesam Dec 3 @ 3:48 PM EST
    All a bit cult-ish really. That we are so certain of the correct way of thinking... #asechat
    In reply to @agittner, @ViciaScience
  • agittner Dec 3 @ 3:48 PM EST
    exactly, you give them a demonstration that is JUST beyond their current model then scaffold it to help them. It was what CASE was built on wasn't it? #ASEchat
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • stevethedoc1 Dec 3 @ 3:49 PM EST
    #asechat same thing just whether you approach from top down (traditional) or bottom up ( effective)
    In reply to @ViciaScience, @agittner
  • ViciaScience Dec 3 @ 3:49 PM EST
    My experience of using 'conceptual conflict situations' (carefully planned to address a generally held misconception) is at best 'indifferent' (see CLIS 'Teaching Approaches' documents for evidence) #ASEChat
    In reply to @MarcNeesam
  • damianainscough Dec 3 @ 3:49 PM EST
    #asechat Misconceptions: also interesting... https://t.co/AVD57ySYhl
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Dec 3 @ 3:49 PM EST
    do you think we are an Echo Chamber then? Tee hee #asechat
    In reply to @MarcNeesam, @agittner, @ViciaScience
  • agittner Dec 3 @ 3:51 PM EST
    Isn't it just good science.Someone asked me recently why didn't I go into politics. I would be a lousy politician because I keep changing my mind in light of new evidence? isn't that what science is; the best explanation taking into consideration the available evidence? #ASEchat
    In reply to @MarcNeesam, @ViciaScience
  • mrsH_BHS Dec 3 @ 3:51 PM EST
    @Philip_HarrisUK this would be an amazing addition to @BHSScDT...our scopes all have mirrors as their light sources!!! #schoolscience #asechat
    • Philip_HarrisUK Dec 3 @ 6:59 AM EST
      Since it's only 504 hours until the big day , we're allowed to talk about Christmas! For the next 12 school days we're giving away a prize a day in our Christmas giveaway, Follow, RT and Like to be in with a chance of winning, today's prize is a microscope #schoolscience #asechat
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Dec 3 @ 3:51 PM EST
    During this time of meetings in Poland what would be your best #sustainablegift during this season to be merry? #asechat
  • ViciaScience Dec 3 @ 3:52 PM EST
    I was presented with a signed POE book by its author at NSTA. He thought I had been instrumental in introducing him to the approach! #ASEChat
    In reply to @MaryUYSEG
  • MarcNeesam Dec 3 @ 3:52 PM EST
    You’re right but many see science as a fixed body of knowledge. This is why working scientifically is a key part of the curriculum as it allowed focus on the process. #asechat
    In reply to @agittner, @ViciaScience
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Dec 3 @ 3:53 PM EST
    I’d like people not to use lots of trees to wrap my presents Check for recyclable or recycled paper, and maybe not use sticky tape #asechat
  • stevethedoc1 Dec 3 @ 3:54 PM EST
    #asechat how big does chamber need to be to get a detectable echo then. .neht
    In reply to @NeedhamL56, @MarcNeesam, @agittner, @ViciaScience
  • ViciaScience Dec 3 @ 3:54 PM EST
    Careful - you may not get anything worth wrapping! #ASEChat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Dec 3 @ 3:55 PM EST
    Oh if its too big to wrap that’s fine #asechat I’ll just open the box #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Dec 3 @ 3:56 PM EST
    Just bad use of language by the grown ups, I actually think this one is easy to shift! #asechat
    In reply to @bradburyts, @ViciaScience
  • ViciaScience Dec 3 @ 3:56 PM EST
    Sustainable presents - Love my new Frank Green reusable cup, even if it did leak STEM coffee inside my bag. Bonus is the discount applied by some coffee chains when using it #ASEChat
  • agittner Dec 3 @ 3:57 PM EST
    The ability not to crave bacon sandwiches, a rare steak, scrambled eggs or roast chicken? then I could be a vegan overnight #guiltypleasures #ASEchat
    In reply to @NeedhamL56
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Dec 3 @ 3:57 PM EST
    agreed love mine too #asechat
    In reply to @ViciaScience
  • stevethedoc1 Dec 3 @ 3:57 PM EST
    #asechat careful the box may end up being worth more!
    In reply to @NeedhamL56, @ViciaScience
  • ViciaScience Dec 3 @ 3:57 PM EST
    #ASEChat - a bit of a misconception. Were that he was sustainable
    • HuffPostUK Dec 3 @ 10:28 AM EST
      We've deleted an earlier version of this video that incorrectly described Sir David Attenborough as a 'naturist.' We of course meant to describe him as a naturalist. We regret the error.
  • NeedhamL56 - Moderator Dec 3 @ 3:58 PM EST
    I want to make some Beeswax wraps to give as presents #nomoreclingfilm #sustainablegifts #asechat